COBB Canceled Subaru Tuning So I Called and Got Answers!

[@CO_EVO_8]

The fact they off loaded flex kits for Subaru owners, Nissan owners, etc just to profit then cancel tuning for them would upset me. Sounds like most aren't getting refunds either. Pretty scummy of them to pull something like that.

[@dubblekil]

to be fair and not to just play devils advocate but this isnt really their fault and is out of their control. the epa is cracking down and isnt only holding end users liable but also manufactures(which shouldnt be allowed). i dont think they did this purely as a profit/dump rather than make profits on the way and forced to dump by the epa. yes they could have given a heads up to users but end result would still be the same imo and its lack of support after a specific date.

[@Shane.C]

Yeah got raped of 2 aps and a flex fuel kit $2400 down the drain if I knew thi I would have went aem infinity

[@CO_EVO_8]

@@Shane.C yup, and they just lost every bit of their resale value to most people at the moment on the used market. I'm assuming someone will sooner rather than later file a lawsuit against them.

[@CO_EVO_8]

@@Shane.C Cali runs everything and ruins everything all at the same time for everyone else around the country. The EPA has wayyy to much power and will kill the car community as a whole.

[@Shane.C]

@@CO_EVO_8 it’s like they have no proof my car was on the street it is a full rotated car on speed density now it’s essentially bricked

[@AndresRodriguez-eg6vq]

Why don't they just label the device as "For Offroad Use and Racing use only" and leave all the features? Then technically it won't "need" emissions since it's a "full race car".

[@SofiaSclafani]

It doesn't work that way a lot of company sells part that are label as offroad use only and epa knows people install it on their street cars

[@Adamkpost]

@@SofiaSclafani at that point its an end user enforcement issue. If you use an offroad only part on your street car then that's on you. This is big government overreach.

[@devinmagee1948]

@@Adamkpost agreed. It should be enforced better at the consumer level. But they are lazy

[@red_dragonracingsilvereclipes]

they are trying to kill the racing world they are trying to stop all cars from being used as race car's and be built as specialty cars to race with like Formula 1 and so on.

[@Hanibul_Lecktor]

New to Emission laws it seems ? Just like racing in Mexico ain't working anymore 😊

[@fleezybaby]

all they needed to do was region lock these changes to Cali. They are attempting to comply with CARB, in Cali. Cali only. They did this to customers all over the world for california... this doesn't just effect subies either. maybe the flex fuel stuff, but everything else is non-specific and applies to the remaining 60 some-odd models AP supports.

[@LTLBproductions]

The changes are federal. California is just the only one following the rules lol.

[@mattk1627]

@@LTLBproductions yeah Cali is kind of the cause though, I live here in SoCal and they just about wrecked everything that’s fun for us, guns are no longer fun, cars are no longer fun to build, have to wear a mask in a lot of places even if it’s not required, etc etc.

[@drunkpolack7612]

Liberal clown disease infects everyone

[@jeffshell3151]

Mathew K - no truer words have been spoken. I’ve lived in CA my whole life. I’m an engineer working in sf Bay Area, father of three and a reliable rape victim for the IRS. I love cars and I also love guns. Not a hunter but just really enjoy punching paper or plinking and have an enormous passion in well designed machinery, tools, cars, etc. The CA state government and bills that are being passed are gradually adding to the list of reasons the cost to live here no longer makes sense. I love it, it’s beautiful but I know I’m not alone when I ask myself the question “Is it worth it.” Hence why so many are leaving. Hopefully there is enough subservient tax payers that remain with hobbies that are non controversial to fund the bloated financial needs of the state government.

[@fleezybaby]

@@LTLBproductions CARB is governed by CalEPA. CalEPA is not the EPA. CalEPA is state a government body. the EPA's Pacific arm does not include CalEPA, and CalEPA is not officially affiliated with the EPA, at least not from what I can tell from information on both CalEPA's and the EPA's websites. the EPA refers to California only in reference to Region 9, a group of states in the South East.

[@soundsolutions5769]

Opensource is an option too. Everything is pretty fleshed out - you can do the same, Cobb just made it very user friendly in one nice package. Opensource allows you the same capabilities.

[@home541_]

I took a peak in ecuflash last night. I used it to tune my evo. I need to do some more looking into it for flex because at this time I couldn’t find anything in the software regarding it. I also don’t believe they support multi maps like the evo did. It’s a start though

[@W333dm4n]

can you tune in opensource software and flash it with the accessport? or do you need to buy another cable.

[@home541_]

@@W333dm4n You need a tactrix cable

[@W333dm4n]

​@@home541_ ah ok reason i ask is cuz I emailed a reputable etuner and he said he can do TGV and EGR deletes on a 2019 WRX, but isn't that disabled in software now.. maybe he meant he can tune for them but I will still have a check engine light​

[@home541_]

@@W333dm4n From what I’ve gathered is some found a way to prevent the update on accesstuner

[@jony6toes307]

Wow ....way to go Cobb.... I run EcuTek on my 07 ... You would not be disappointed. 2 maps, low boost and high boost and there are many features like flatfoot shifting, launch control, blip on down shift. It's a great option.

[@albertomarin7240]

Ecutek is owned by same company. Same thing is going to happen to it as well

[@anthonyantoine9232]

Fair warning, you're going to have the same issues with ecutek at some point. Cobb and ecutek are brands that fall under the same parent company, Engineered Performance Technologies. Ecutek is likely next on the chopping block for this same exact thing, being owned by the same parent company and all.

[@romariosmith422]

@@anthonyantoine9232 but ecutek is not exclusively in America so I'm not sure it matters

[@anthonyantoine9232]

@@romariosmith422 It might make a difference, but I would not bank on it. If the product is sold in America, it has to comply with American laws. So they're probably either going the same way as Cobb or they're not gonna be sold here lol.

[@jaredanderson88]

@@anthonyantoine9232 Ecutek is a UK based company and is essentially selling a software license. This will most likely make it a lot harder as a physical device is not being sold and the company is technically not even in the US.

[@mattschneebeli1733]

I was flashed stage 2+. My AP went out for warranty repair and I got it back with only stage 1 OTS maps. Called cobb to say what the hell my car is running like crap and I can now only reflash a stage 1+. Guy for Cobb customer service advice...Put it back to stock until you can get a protune. Wow dude thanks for the solid advice! 1 week later Cobb green speed dropped to compound things even further. Open source - HERE WE COME!!

[@W333dm4n]

are you gonna keep using the accessport to monitor and log, as in, open source just deals with the tune editing part?

[@LSR-YT21]

This is a lose/lose situation for Cobb. If they didn't do this EPA would've killed the company with fines and the route they choose gives them a bigger chance of survival at the cost of getting rocks tossed at them by their own community.

[@dominicjaramillo3369]

A heads up would have been nice, also pull the flex fuel kits once it's apparent you won't be able to continue supporting them. I think most reasonable people get that they had to do it, but the way they went about it is what leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

[@Reynar7]

@@dominicjaramillo3369 It was stated in the video that it was leaked and so they were forced to put it on the website ahead of schedule.

[@Indigostar_media]

Yea they went a total scum bag way about it tho. Alternatively they could have just pulled out of the areas (2 states) that actually regulate to that extent but hey… unloading useless equipment to unexpecting victims right before you commit corporate suicide is the real low blow. I’m just great full I didn’t give these slews any of my money. Price of subarus is in the toilet now so, the money I save buying my cars thanks to cob will go directly to pro tunes 🤗

[@adammiller5166]

Don’t think Cobb will last much longer. Already going to look into switching over to a haltech system

[@racerxion88]

Yeah for us GTR folk it is bad right now. Many of us like myself run Speed Density and I was on Cobb. I am switching to ecutek but they already said next year they will comply. For evo folk they should be fine cuz of Open Source but for Subie folk I feel your pain you guys!!! This is rough but we will all get through this.

[@sethmcdowall]

im on ecutek i hope it dont go away anytime soon lol

[@pizzanoodle4540]

Ecutek is owned by the same parent company as cobb so don’t think I’d chose ecutek :/

[@drew8732]

rip COBB ~ 2022

[@DJ_Driven]

STi & Cobb go missing in 2022

[@silvms6]

Welp they became greedy and I hope they do feel the pain of losing 📉

[@jessebudelman]

And everyone laughed at me when I told everyone in my car community that they’re (govt) will be going after the car community. My local tuner was down for 2 months because of the EPA. But they’re back up and running now. Was gonna do a full engine build in my ST with full E85 and big turbo. Guess I snoozed on it for to long.

[@GymnasticsCoach83]

They aren't laughing now, are they?

[@solidwisdom6973]

I SEE EVERYONE JUST KIND OF BEING SAD AND COMMENTING SAD COMMENTS. . . HOW ABOUT WE PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS !!M

[@frankfly1368]

💯 I had a bunch of cobb parts in my cart but I’ll be going to Perrin and grimmspeed instead

[@jacobbordin8718]

Time to jailbreak the cobb licensing so can run old versions

[@gpatty6538]

Yup

[@john8890]

So a tuning company will no longer sell parts to tune cars? Sounds like terrible business model

[@HeidiFegles]

Sounds like the epa got involved, and now we know it did. Big fine and lack of support now. But there is green speed with all emissions intact still…. Fml.. my car has no emissions. Tactrix open source is the way young padwon.

[@henrysu5741]

Secondary air pumps die on GD subies 😢 basically an expensive wear item. Not being able to cheaply delete is gonna hurt.

[@jeff666p]

On my swapped gc i dont even have wiring for it to put it back on😂

[@780subie]

luckily deleted mine after it died on my 2011 sti two years ago..

[@Dave-so7sf]

Cobb might as well just discontinue the Accessport all together. Nobody is going to want that shit anymore. Sounds like useless paper weight.

[@steve1royal]

Ecutek already released a statement saying the plan to flow cobb, but don't have a timeliness yet.

[@darylralston5176]

Glad I found that reel on Insta. This answered all my grey area questions. Guess my turbo I just got is a decoration for now

[@anthony_8122]

give it alittle while and somone will come up with a fix/hack to bypass there silly program restrictions :) evrything is hack/mob-able :) And COBB AP is not the only way you can tune your car, Use a laptop and Open-S software like the good old days b4 lazy/eazy was with cobb

[@Turbolious]

The only problem will be getting a good tuner to agree to use the cracked Cobb program when someone does crack it. They all seem to not want to fight the government on this. Hell it seems people are more mad at Cobb than they are the government.

[@gemz172]

I hope so man. I really hope so. In the last year i’ve built mine up to 600whp on E85. Just to see this all go down the drain is really saddening

[@joshmorrow424]

@@gemz172 it's not down the drain. I have LC, FFS. Flex is a bit of a poop because OS doesn't have it (but I'm betting that'll change). But I've been around a bit. Stock ECU Evos were making jam with dual tunes for YEARS I MEAN YEARS. Read and learn about RomRaider. I may enjoy ECUTek for a little with my 750hp GD until I make it so Uncle Sam will have zero say in my car with a standalone. Which by the way we have Link. Easy to do. Easy. If all else. Terms of Use Laws keep OS safe... adapt and overcome. There will always be a way

[@gemz172]

@@joshmorrow424 That makes me so happy. Thank you kind sir

[@MarkGamingTV]

I find it hilarious that they are killing the e85 tunes because of emissions. isn't e85 supposedly better for emissions? 😅

[@hatefunwrx]

🤣🤣🤣 theoretically yes its supposed to be but realistically no its not because you end up burning way more of it in the end which makes it just as bad

[@pablo_fitch7208]

@@hatefunwrx is there chart for this information to be true ? We need proof no word of mouth

[@hatefunwrx]

@@pablo_fitch7208 do you run e?

[@CBlakley98]

It’s not because of flex that they removed it. The reason is because flex fuel kits require you delete TGVs and Rear o2 to use the inputs for the flex sensor. So basically to run flex with Cobb you needed to delete emissions equiptment. You can still run straight e85 just not flex on Cobb tunes

[@mikeyae4678]

Funny part is I run flex and havnt deleted nothing but my cats

[@rite2beararms]

I will be making F- decals that will match the font size of most Cobb decals. No need to strip them off your cars, boys. Place orders soon.

[@ranran2218]

Cobb did consumers real shady. They knew for awhile and sold items they knew they would no longer support. I personally am going to sell my wrx. Nissan z, mustang gt or challenger are my choices

[@red_dragonracingsilvereclipes]

that is why I went back to DSM and grabbed a talon tsi thank god for link. But my tuner said they are also gunning for the other tuning platforms too so be prepared for when that happens. his best idea was load up the program for tuning onto a good solid lap top don't ever update it again and lock your tune into it so if something happens where you need to repair it you can simple pull up your old tune and reload it back into it.

[@curvaholic]

Am so glad our sti's are jdm market and aren't eligible to use cobb. Our options have been ecuflash,ecutek or standalone. Ecutek is pretty good and for the racers their racerom features pretty much do everything cobb use to and maybe more so guys have options bye cobb.

[@Michaelrack94]

Fun fact, ecutek announced they are going this route as well as they are owned by the same company as cobb

[@curvaholic]

@@Michaelrack94 Read that as well lets see what happens.

[@Pinkarmada01]

ahhhh hondata s300 i love you soo much right now, the power of dreams

[@sernamig]

Injectors yes. Turbo upgrades yes. Map sensor yes. Just got to keep everything emissions related. You can still use e85 just need to test it before you use it. More volume equals more power you don't have to string out a vf48 to 28psi its not even efficient. A dom 1.5xtr puts down good power at 23psi. Ecutek is under the same ownership as cobb and announced that they will soon follow Cobbs guidelines to be epa compliant. There are soo many turbo and Cat options available there is no reason why you can't build an EPA friendly "racecar"

[@thugwaffle7544]

where did ecutek announce this?

[@CO_EVO_8]

The problem is nothing's every good enough for the EPA. They're also focusing their attention on a market that tends to make cars run much cleaner than they did from the factory. There are bigger fish to fry when it comes to pollution. They seem to ignore the amount of pollution caused by mining for materials for these tree hugging electric cars. Batteries you can't recycle. Wind mills that you can't recycle but they want to save the planet right?

[@zakura70jr]

Man them 1990s dsms looking really attractive rn

[@gritandgears9159]

This is NOT IS WHAT IT IS . This is happening to EVERY aftermarket manufacturer of car parts. IT IS A DISCUSTING GOVERNMENT OVER REACH AND WE NEED TO UNTIE AS ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO STOP THIS MADNESS. YOU VOTE DEMOCRAT THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.

[@absoluteclownworld]

Let's Go Brandon!

[@hackerboy012]

Trump started it, Brandon just continued it

[@teggsrb18c1]

@@hackerboy012 This. Don’t get me wrong, F this administration but don’t let Trumps off the hook so soon. His tenure laid the groundwork for a lot of things going on now.

[@hackerboy012]

@@teggsrb18c1 Just stating it. But i agree

[@FirstLast-we8cb]

@@hackerboy012 F- the coal rolling jerks that spun up the EPA.

[@thejoshuahenry]

For someone with an older platform (04 STI swapped 04 Forester here) and running a Cobb AP now with TGV deletes, etc, etc... it has me curious about open source as an alternative for the next time I need a new tune. I'm really curious if this change by Cobb will cause renewed interest from the open source community - perhaps offer options for newer platforms, and to give older platforms more features. It sounds like for my particular situation going open source as it is now will have some tradeoffs. Then if going open source, probably also needing to finding a new tuner.

[@soundsolutions5769]

Open Source has the same features if not more, instead of a touch interface, you will have to click the option to delete your TGV's other than that open source is just as good.

[@brandonalvey4505]

Yeah, the hard part will be finding a tuner. Any of the higher profile tuners in bigger metropolitan areas aren't going to stick their necks out. I already know my tuner is going to turn any cars away that don't comply. He already was for cats.

[@lukerogers78]

Ecutec is owned by the same company as Cobb. Stand alone was the only way going forward. Motec, Haltech, AEM, etc.

[@macro3356]

I would rather take this then removing engines all day who needs Cobb when I can just drive it stock 😫

[@spideybuildscars]

Because stock is boring, and life is short

[@MiguelGonzalez-uq3by]

@@spideybuildscars 270hp is chilling for a young kid

[@macro3356]

@@MiguelGonzalez-uq3by I’m not a young child I already have a F80 m3 I just like the 2015-2020 STI because of its rumble and because it looks really good

[@MiguelGonzalez-uq3by]

@@macro3356 ok cool wasn’t calling u a kid my bad I just meant kids usually pick up bubarus

[@MiguelGonzalez-uq3by]

@@macro3356 f80s ain’t even that expensive tho lol I could’ve financed one to bro but I don’t need electronic bmw problems 🤡

[@B0RN2RACE100]

Alejandro Flores from the coyote community was talking about this not too long ago. Carbs are going to be the future for us now. No way they can turn that feature off.

[@badelife]

Month ago bought an used V3 for my WRX build, the shop is completing the forged engine build this week... dont know what update has the Cobb... but Im already dissapointed about of all of this, my dream build just days left to came alive... and IN MEXICO!

[@senfing]

Cobb gave in for sure... feel bad for all the tuners that will close up shop now.

[@darksandsp]

Overboost limit will trigger CEL so adjusting it messes with CEL which they won't allow.

[@Smeedia]

Bigger turbo on stock PSI levels will still give gains without throwing CELs. Same PSI pushing more air = more power. While your not pushing turbos as far as they go, you can still do it with some work arounds

[@darksandsp]

@@Smeedia sure but it won't be utilizing the potential of the turbo. What's the point of getting a turbo that can push 24psi if you can't do it. Who wants to spend good money on a nice turbo just to run it at below efficiency.

[@Smeedia]

@@darksandsp you don't have to cap them out. In reality if someone's looking to make decent power now they're not going to be using accesstuner anyway. But the potential for support with after market turbos on accesstuner is still there. Mt old FP Black on 21 PSI was still doing 450WHP On pump gas. The options are still there

[@670cars8]

This shit sucks, I just rebuilt my motor and I can’t even get it retuned to be how it was cause I split the case half’s😭 fuck Cobb

[@SushiPac]

Good thing I never updated mine have had it since 2012 when they gave everything out for free and you didn’t have to take any classes. So everything is still accessible

[@shark2u6]

See what happens when we let tree hugging hippies into office. airplanes dump more stuff into the air than we could ever imagine with our cars. These politicians that don't want anyone to have fun have to go!!!! Not everyone has millions of dollars to go racing.

[@asheredwards9506]

exactly lol a couple hundred thousand cars without egr systems or even cats still doesn’t compare the release of primary pollutants into the atmosphere from a ONE plane, or a bomb, or a big ship over years

[@drunkpolack7612]

@@asheredwards9506 properly tuned catless cars on e85 actually run cleaner then stock 😂🤡

[@asheredwards9506]

@@drunkpolack7612 who mentioned ethanol boi

[@GymnasticsCoach83]

I didn't want to be that guy, but yes I am going to be that guy...you all get what/who you vote for. Remember, most of the leftists want ALL fossil fuel cars gone by 2030. And guess who funds the EPA and wants to go "green?" Right now, Nevada isn't going that route--YET. With the casinos and Vegas, I can't see it happening anytime soon, but I cannot foresee the future. My flames, E85, pops, bangs, all the bells&whistles are safe (again for now). I am going to say this, those people in the car scene who aren't on top of current events, and voted for this inadvertently, you still get what you voted for.

[@nickellebracht]

Thanks for the heads up! Hadn't heard about this shit yet.

[@wilkensbrito2879]

Cobb turned into one Big Green Cat! So I just got a 2016 WRX. Is it worth buying a Cobb air intake if I get the Access Port??? Im just looking to beef up a little as a daily driver.

[@Bigevilfishy]

Have a 2022. Have stage 1+ with big sf. Nominal numbers when driving but at idle af learning 8 - 13. If u have a wrx go with a different intake and move to open source.

[@TheReaper42069]

An intake isn’t gonna give you anything

[@CWB-uk9vw]

I love the AP and how it used to work anyway and I was literally the very first ProTuner for Cobb AP's on Subaru in Ohio back in the day and I was the largest cheerleader for them for a few years but back in about 2008 or so my eyes were opened to Cobb and how they are for real... and I'm not surprised really on how they handled this ..selling full price AP's right up till the news hit and never saying anything to the customers who were buying them..I mean imagine if you went and bought a new AP the day before all this came out??? How mad would you be?? But let me tell you this little story about how they treat there own shops that sell their products and tune their AP's (remember this was all new then) so I go and drop 3800 for the "Pro" software and then paid to have them come out and do some training I'm all good with that no problem! I got to learn alot about factory ecu's and how they worked all good 👍 well fast forward like 4 years and I'm turning a customer car on the dyno and at least back then we had this dongle that acted like a key pretty much letting me open the software that's all it did ..like a security thing... well I go to exit the car to let it cool down a bit and the dongle hit the steering wheel and snap it broke.... well nothing I could do the get it to even kinda work so I call Cobb up...now remember at the time I was the largest dealer of their in Ohio and still the only pro tuner here at that time ..next closest was p&l I believe and they were a state away . Anyway I call Cobb up and talk directly with Trey I tell him what's up I let him know I have a car stuck on the dyno I need a new dongle and I'd pay for like super overnight for Japan fast and furious Shipping lol 😆 he says OK I can get that right out ... it's going to be another 3800 dollars.... um what ?? It's a 20 dollar security dongle..I don't need the software or any of the IP I've already purchased from you ... just the key... he said ya 3800 .... at that instant I said Cobb could kiss my ass .... I paid for a new AEM EMS for the customer and and we went that route instead... that's completely ridiculous... and the the street tuner software came out a later ..zero difference..that was a bad day for protuners also... idk just shitty how they treat people who spend hard earned money with them ..

[@home541_]

I was starting to peak into the open-source suite I used for my evo and it looks very promising

[@phr3n2y]

They are still selling the Cobb 20g turbo stating it’s 50 state legal but if you raise boost you get a CEL?… well then lol

[@kantennichols]

No, like 80 percent off this video is bullshit

[@TravisG001]

Thank EPA for all this. Please go out there and continue to call your congressmen or continue to push the RPM act. We need all hands on deck on this before we can no longer touch our cars.

[@PLSZNOPHOTOS]

There’s no way Cobb Is willing to take this L with Subaru going electric lol. I don’t believe it

[@Precisionmagert]

This is a huge l. I was building my block for a tune

[@nickers18725]

I literally just dropped 5k on a built shortblock

[@Precisionmagert]

@@nickers18725 I'm getting an evo.. lol

[@mercury0214]

You fellas should of been headed the dyno with those builds anyways..

[@EddieNuffSaid]

Thanks for the video!! Great information. Stay safe brother 👍🏼

[@_AlexanderVargas]

Of course cuz🤘🏻

[@NalopeonTheGreat]

Sounds like a pump gas protune is the way to go until they come out with certified items.

[@Zetl3D]

everything else though can't be changed

[@jamesg8246]

@@Zetl3D Clarify "everything else". Because that's not accurate.

[@zeeeek1561]

I fell into the Cobb hype a few years ago when I was into subaru. Realized super fast how big a scam they are. They profit off kids who don’t know about any other tuning methods or are intimidated by flashing a tune with their laptop which is basically the same as a Cobb but free most times lol.

[@Bones12x2]

So what about the fact that for the lasr decade nearly all of the fastest Subarus in North America have been tuned with Accessports? Just because they made it easy for casuals to lightly tune doesn't make it hype. 8 sec drag cars on a stock ECU with an Accessport arent hype.

[@TheIRONSTAG]

I too, fell into this trap. Now i am learning the "old ways". Open source. Tatrix cable. Taking classes and reading on how to do it myself.

[@TherealToppo]

@@Bones12x2 they made it easy? You must have never owned a Honda. I wouldn't consider not being able to modify your own maps easy but...aight.

[@Bones12x2]

@@TherealToppo they did like one model of Honda over a decade ago...who gives a shit... Just use Hondata and stfu about something that has nothing to do with Hondas.

[@squirrelzar]

Lmao it wasn’t a trap? What kind of claim is that, they made it accessible for those that didn’t want to get their hands as dirty for relatively little money. Not to mention the on the fly flexibility. The situation is shitty but it doesn’t take away from what they provided all these years

[@pan_pifpaf]

Thanks God I went the other way. Taxtrix Openport + Romraider and Carberry ROM.

[@GnarshredProductions]

not even a big deal. Can still use a tactrix cable/romraider/ecuflash right? Friends of mine had an STI running in the 9's on stock ecu speed density tuned with the opensource shit back in 2016. It's not the end of subaru tuning and no reason to go to a standalone just yet.

[@aspenwagon04]

Lol but 90% of people don’t drag race and don’t want to open source tune.

[@GnarshredProductions]

@@aspenwagon04 drag racing has nothing to do with it, they were tuning all the customer cars with romraider before they switched over to the cobb stuff. If I owned a subaru I would rather get tuned like this because then I don't have to spend $700 or whatever on an accesport just install my go fast parts and drop it off at my tuners shop to let him plug in his laptop and do his thing.

[@djsir901]

@@GnarshredProductions This is assuming you have a tuner shop to drop it off to. The closest tuner shop to where I live is like 500+ miles away.

[@alfisback2372]

Hey mate, I was wondering what brand your wheel arch flares are? Cheers 🤙

[@salmonkill]

Great video...just got my wrx 2 weeks ago....what kind off horsepower do you roughly get for a "stage 1"... Forgive my subie ignorance!

[@xXSteve1021Xx]

Maybe 5-10 hp It basically moves the power curve and get better throttle response too

[@dylanwatkins1019]

But isn’t Ecutek a sister company to Cobb? So I’m sure will go away at some point. But there is still open source tuning like Tactrix and RomRaider like the old days.

[@Lucas_Schaar]

Meh.. open source has ALWAYS been a better option. Cobb AP was a waste of money unless you had like a rx8 or another vehicle that has no open source options

[@nadles5946]

ECUTek is owned by the same Mother company as Cobb...

[@Southpaw86]

I’m confused what going on. I got my WRX tuned to stage 2+ 5 months ago with no issues.

[@Chonfknjharney]

Did the value of Subarus just go down

[@brandonpetrilla1731]

Stock STI’s actually are going through the roof in value

[@asheredwards9506]

honestly it sounds like this is just gonna have everyone putting a black square on their dash doesn’t seem like it will actually stop you from doing the mods or programming them, just be mad about it

[@kap851]

This is crazy I’m in the process of getting my car etuned right now and just got an email from my tuner stating this problem.

[@4doors671]

If epa is cracking down why does it impact Subarus more than others?

[@victimlesscreations6368]

If we have the Cobb flex fuel kit can we still run it with a standalone

[@raycaldera3130]

following dot. .

[@coffeehouse6904]

i wish i would have known this about a month ago. just bought a cobb tuned 2011 subaru wrx that needs to be looked at by a tuner. everything is fine with except the tuning. when I looked into cobb I didn't see ANYTHING about them stopping tuning for subarus. really upseting as so many cars are going to be rendered useless unless you put in the $10k to switch out systems and parts which not everyone has the luxury to do so. really shit on cobb's part and the fact that getting answers is so hard.

[@pablo_fitch7208]

Can we sue them for this or can someone redesign the program make a new company possibly

[@ianolivas9920]

You can probably sue for purchasing products they knew would no longer be in support.

[@IRONronan]

Isnt ecutek going this route too?

[@TheLancer042]

So basically my Accessport is nothing more than a gauge cluster.

[@Bones12x2]

No, its still totally valid for 90% of street cars. This video is full of false info.

[@ianolivas9920]

@@Bones12x2 so what can it still be used for? I was planning on getting an STI in the next couple of weeks and I wanted to do a build for 300-350whp

[@Bones12x2]

@@ianolivas9920 anything less than 500 ish is totally fine. The only actual loss for most street car builds is flex fuel but COBB says they are already working on a solution for that. Ultimately, other than Flex Fuel, what is lost is the ability to turn iff CELs for TGV, Air Pump, and EGR deletes... And nobody making less than 450-500 needs to delete those. Most people delets them because they heard it's a good idea but dont actually know much. So your 300-400 hp build will be totally fine and you can most likely add Flex Fuel later. Plus, if you really want E85 before they have new FF... You can still just have a 91/93 tune and an E85 tune and just change maps when you change fuel. Flex Fuel just makes it way easier but isnt 100% required to use ethanol in general.

[@ianolivas9920]

@@Bones12x2 awesome! Good to know and thanks for the info. Personally I dont care about the CEL showing, I've had that on my ram for years because I'm too lazy to tune it out lmao

[@Bones12x2]

@@ianolivas9920 no prob, have fun.

[@cxmarin.]

Heard him say Stage 1 as in can you still go stage 1+ on a FA20? Because I planned on getting the stage 1+ installed next week can I still get a pro tune instead OTS pretty new to this so confused on what I can & can’t do

[@grassbag1]

Check with your tuner

[@GriffinBlanchard]

thanks for going over this, it cleared up a lot of my confusion!

[@_AlexanderVargas]

Of course big dog🙏🏻🤟🏻

[@AmptDesiqns]

Can you do a secondary air delete with open source if not on cobb?

[@SkaterOrnez]

Im new to the tuning stuff and shit I got the accessport for nothing. A tuner from P&L said it'll be easier to tune 07 and older models with open-source for $1,250. I was wondering if I could still use the accessport just for the monitoring while having an open source tune on it already or should I just by more gauge pods, afr/oil pressure?

[@nicks8379]

Should work that way. You can also monitor absolutely everything on the car with a laptop on open source.

[@SkaterOrnez]

@@nicks8379 Oh crap I didn't know that, thanks Nick !

[@jamesmota]

Is this a California thing or a whole country thing?

[@joeyjr4006]

If your car is tune just don't update you be fine

[@FADEDZOMBY]

This is the comment I was looking for. Okay good thank you.

[@FADEDZOMBY]

So this only applies if I go and update my AP right?

[@joeyjr4006]

Yes DON'T update ANYTHING

[@FADEDZOMBY]

@@joeyjr4006 thank you I won’t! I told my friend about this and he had no clue and he had a tube scheduled for the end of this month and everything, he’s so pissed now.

[@gregcass12]

standalone ecu, you get more features and safety anyway.

[@justinmielsch5924]

they got a fat price tag too

[@gregcass12]

@@justinmielsch5924 gotta pay to play

[@SofiaSclafani]

And no way to pass emission, as no standalone ecu have readiness monitoring

[@Doodlebobby104]

Bro that shit is 5k to 10k

[@gregcass12]

@@Doodlebobby104 you are greatly misinformed, only paid $1,700 CAD for my haltech 2500. Do some research

[@LancerXDS]

Will this have any effects of tuning a evo x?

[@kevintimoshkin1470]

So if my car doesn’t have any emissions on it can I still get it tuned with a pro tune?

[@Edward-rc5cr]

Is this JUST subi? or are other people affected?

[@sacredkeys7750]

So can i still plug in my accessport to my computer and download maps before may?

[@kilikblade]

Damn. I guess i have to learn how to use romraider now. Hopefully it has flex fuel support

[@thejoshuahenry]

I'm in this same situation as well, the romraider forums were down yesterday, so I assume there's a bunch of renewed interest in the open source options. I hear it can do flex fuel, but it's maybe not quite as easy as with Cobb - but I'm still looking into this.

[@troyd-motorsport9933]

I've only used romraider, it's great! It does flexfuel, LC, FFS and some clever cookies have done everything like anti lag and cyclic idle etc..

[@thejoshuahenry]

@@troyd-motorsport9933 That's great to hear!

[@kilikblade]

@@troyd-motorsport9933 Thats awesome that romraider has all those features. Makes me wonder why the tuner in the video didn't mention it.

[@sganet_]

Lol, literally sold my Subie 2 weeks before this announcement. Just waiting on the Tesla delivery now. 🤣

[@FXIIBeaver]

Eww.

[@bendtheski]

sorry for your loss 😞

[@sganet_]

@@FXIIBeaver ok, go own your Subie in California modded and tell me how that goes 🥴

[@FXIIBeaver]

@@sganet_ why would I move to a 3rd world state and purposely make my life worse?

[@bendtheski]

@@sganet_ vibes for living in CA too.

[@jimrustle643]

EcuTek folded the same way Cobb just did. EcuTek is owned by the same parent company that Cobb is. Take the advice and go standalone, your choices are Motec (Gucci) and Haltech (affordable). I finished my build, pump tune and flex tune months ago thankfully. My accessport will NEVER be plugged into an internet connected device. However, I am looking into every single workaround including cracking Cobb's AP firmware and accesstuner program software to remove the auto update function in the programs coding.

[@_AlexanderVargas]

Facts

[@jimrustle643]

@@_AlexanderVargas just updated my comment. Forgot a few things. Let me know what you think

[@jeff666p]

Theres also link

[@kraashk4864]

Reverse engineering encrypted firmware isn't easy. I do cyber security for a living so I know.

[@rpmjunky2795]

So why isn’t Stage 2 still available if people are using the Cobb catted downpipe? It’s catted so should still be emissions legal right?

[@Edward-rc5cr]

"catted" doesn't mean it's epa compliant...

[@ezimm81]

Ecutek is following Cobb since their owned by parent companies. So that’s the way we’re headed

[@justaregularguy3827]

Is this for only Cali or the USA as a whole I'm confused

[@780subie]

2 weeks for everyone to remove their secondary air pumps that are designed to fail and tune it out. this is crazy they did this.

[@Nakaamaa]

Glad I’m still stock lol but it is unfortunate

[@wyvern3525]

already changed platforms for 1 car. The FA WRX gone! 06 STI only keeping because hawkeye value only going up. But I am also sitting here looking at my flex fuel kit like WTF i have 2 weeks to install you and get you tuned with injectors and everything. FML But my S3 on E85 is doing wonderful with EQT's tune. Glad i got a catted DP for that car lol jesus this is bad.

[@ryotv1747]

Wait so am I not going to be able to get an accessport anymore?

[@Pw7N]

I have a question man, So I have 2019 WRX, I have stage 2 tune for Cobb access port. Base off the shelf stage 2 tune. Dose this mean they going to take away my stage 2 tune away after may ?

[@Doodlebobby104]

Yes only there only having stage 1 tunes w Cobb it will mess up ur car and throw errors if your on stage 2 u would have to go open source if u still want stage 2

[@guillermoortega8708]

I hope not I'm running the same stage 2 tune this sucks

[@Pw7N]

@@Doodlebobby104 so if you have the basic off the self stage 1 tune you are okay ?

[@maxboost81]

If it's a shelf map nothing changes just don't update your software. Now however if you upgrade your car passed what that map is supporting the ap becomes a paper weight..

[@solidwisdom6973]

#BoyCottCobb!!

[@ilj5000]

So I assume people are going to nerd it up and generate a copy of the previous tuning software and COBB system and just use it like people used to.. how long until this is done.

[@HapCollins23]

It seems like this is only affecting off the shelf tunes if I'm understanding correctly. Just had my car tuned a week or two ago and my tuner didn't even mention this.

[@stoneruble1324]

Nah if your car doesn’t meet these guidelines you can’t do E-tunes. Most tuners got a grace period to finish up tunes, but for example, my tuner has until Friday to finish mine before he no longer has the software to complete tunes on cars that are emission regulated. Unfortunately for me, my clutch decided to go out this week so no more E-tune for me

[@HapCollins23]

@@stoneruble1324 what's an e-tune?

[@woodensauce1063]

So does this effect those of us wanting to go opensource tune route? I haven’t read much on if that is affected. I have a jdm ej205 and just wondering if I can even get it tuned now.

[@advantagefn7666]

Open-source tuning will be no problem, but standalone would be a good upgrade

[@woodensauce1063]

@@advantagefn7666 I understand now, thank you!

[@armandolopez6302]

But can we sue the epa ?

[@matthewkirchberg7885]

Does this mean no more downpipes?

[@chrisx2953]

It already has been no more DP, Cobb Took off the DP a long time ago and same with their “Stage 2 package”

[@TheHotSauceGT350]

Guess you all have missed what's happening with the EPA since 2015

[@ZenkiBuilds]

Wait so is this happening to every access port or just new ones? Am I gonna have to switch ports now?

[@grassbag1]

All of them. Cobb is forcing an update to all AP's to where if you have emissions systems deleted you will not be able to flash your tune to your car. Long story short, if you are already tuned and have emissions systems deleted, don't plug your AP into your computer at all so it doesn't update.

[@xzerohunter]

Tactrix 2.0 + romraider. Youll need to find a tuner that still knows how to use it

[@MrPStone305]

Cobb should just release there source code since there products are going away. Yeah... thanks EPA🙁

[@Sacrederb]

Why is no one mentioning Open source. ROM raider and ECU flash are dope AF.

[@DonMegaPLP]

Sooo... Back to open source?

[@erics2506]

Where in the Cobb accessport are the options to turn off the check engine light particularly to the one pertaining to the secondary air pump, anyone? 2007 stage 2 plus