How the Cobb Update Affects You & Alternative Tuning Options

[@guillermo5701]

you really be helping the subaru tuning community big time! thanks my guy💪🏼🔥

[@Smeedia]

Trying to help everyone how I can 🙏

[@Silent_Shadow]

@@Smeedia much more so than these major companies who are just screwing us consumers over.

[@lewistoms110]

I love how the EPA loves to target a very small portion of car drivers but doesn't give a shit about the massive pollution waste of corporations. This year I just finished my build with no cats and a tgv delete and spent 600 bucks on an accessport to get it tuned.

[@Smeedia]

All the EPA wants is $$$ they don't give af about anything else

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

finally someone that knows what is actually going on! the environmental green weenie liberal hack psychos are using the environment as a front to back door funds to shell company donors and personal gain. they are liars and frauds and have been caught misappropriating funds at a disgusting level and they willl not stop. we have to vote these sick twisted fcking people the fck out of here

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

@ivebeen EXACTLY!!!!! wake the fck up people

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

remember when trump essentially disbanded the epa..... then biden brings it back, thank you for getting biden in office real smart choice of you all that did

[@lynnmckenney1987]

@@Mr.Thermistor7228 If the epa hadn't been disbanded, they wouldn't be coming back with a vengeance like they are...

[@Eric-rm6go]

Huge props to you for being so quick with this. With all the panic and misinformation going on right now this really helps!

[@Smeedia]

Trying to help clear the air a bit

[@mm6705]

excellent video, only thing I'd add is the adapting harnesses are pretty easy to make. Just need like 100 bucks in pinning tools, wire, and the ecu connectors. Open source, and tactrix has always been the most cost effective tuning option, I've been steering people away from the accessport since 2009.

[@Moto250R]

Most tuners I talked to in my area dropped COBB completely, since they just lost a big portion of there money. They should of gave a 90 day grace period for tuners.

[@skunkiiee7333]

i would've given open source tuning a Linux example instead of Microsoft..plus, thank you for this video, quick after the news, simple, well explained. just great overall. We appreciate you sir!

[@Smeedia]

Lol just the first thing that came to mind 😅🙏

[@xil3ntkha0s]

We got the point but Linux would’ve made more sense lol

[@ItsJogus]

I was thinking the same thing open source would be linux and hello other tech/car nerds

[@xil3ntkha0s]

@@ItsJogus when you're a nerd.. but also a car guy 😏 and gun guy... Lol

[@UnEmploymentDude]

I'd prefer using the Apple vs Android analogy. Cobb like iOS, is pretty user-friendly but limited. /Tuned using a modified $10 VAGCOM cable!

[@ThatWasherNerd]

This is why I went catless on my G37 with ECUTEK this past year. I knew this day would come for Cobb, and I know others will follow suit shortly 😔.

[@Smeedia]

😭😭😭😭

[@daviddin8863]

Ecutek anounced they're a year away from having to do the same thing

[@rawrbrz]

@@daviddin8863 Oh shit so we have a year!!

[@rawrbrz]

@@daviddin8863 where did you read this announcement?

[@rustyshackleford81]

@@rawrbrz in for more details... If im just getting burnt again in a year it's time to consider motek or something manufactured outside of the "United socialist states of America" Brandon's AFT after muh gumz, now his EPA is after my cornfed Scooby... The right of the people to hoon and shred tires shall not be infringed.

[@13Recon19D]

I did etunes with a tactrix and rom raider with my old wrx. It’s pretty simple. It’s also easy to go in and turn off the emissions related cel codes on your own. 😉

[@jordanhadley4215]

It’s also non supported software with a limit on the features

[@LeeAllen337]

Open source tuning for the win. There is always a work around. If you want it bad enough, you will find a way.

[@Smeedia]

If there is a will, there is a way

[@bluewffl8472]

Or just crack older access tuner builds that don't lock you out....unless you have a newer vehicle with limited features from Cobb already, there's nothing they'll add you can't add in yourself with a little knowledge or a friend who can. Lobby your states to stop emissions testing. The EPA might have some credibility when they ban private jet use or other large polluters...bit they pay to play, so it's ok for the govt bureaucracy

[@GroupBEJ25]

That is true in regards Subaru's were tuned way before cobb via other sources, I remember I started from open source tuning and it worked fine as well.

[@Smeedia]

Open source is making a come back

[@GroupBEJ25]

@@Smeedia absolutely history repeats itself 😀

[@jonathanb1987]

You didn't hear about Subies blowing up as much either.

[@Turbolious]

@@jonathanb1987 Thats mostly because of the OTS tunes, people started putting them on cars and not getting tuned on the dyno. They would have wrong parts and still think its ok...then Rodney comes knocking.

[@jonathanb1987]

@@Turbolious exactly!

[@revengefullobster4524]

You basically ran down the list of everything I had done when I had mine built. So I am pretty well stuck at where I am unless I want to have all my go fast bits removed. Just got to hope they can make flex carb compliant. Or try to go open source. Or spend a bunch on a Haltech. Ugh. Good vid, great job explaining it.

[@timothyjames6719]

What I worry about is now that the government/EPA has successfully accomplished this. Where and when will they stop. I’m afraid of the slippery slope that this could go down. I could rant about private jets, ships, power demands for EV charging etc etc. Im going to stop at just leave it alone don’t check us if your not going to check yourselves first.

[@Oldmannobody]

The damn EPA will smash us all anyway eventually. I just started tuning my 21 wrx. Probably gonna start buying parts and stock them in storage lol. You give the government a mile, they’ll take a 1000.

[@codyhammond8123]

The thing is, modifying cars has been federally illegal for quite some time, it just wasn't strongly enforced. With that perspective, if the EPA is involved, they are throwing COBB and other tuning/aftermarket companies a bone by simply saying do what you want as long as you don't modify emission control software.

[@unknwn2562]

Imo They won’t stop until they get every single person to EVs

[@MrMcbear]

Snowball is rolling. That's why I decided to stop making excuses and pull the trigger on my dream car. Cuz in a few years Im about to daily a tesla and the sti will be the gem in the garage. TImes are changing sadly

[@timothyjames6719]

@@MrMcbear I’m just modding my power run down bugeye. I’m just a poor boy with a dream and it’s taking years to complete. Now it’s going to take learning money and more time. Haltech it is now just to decide if i wanna go platinum pro or elite. Thankfully there is plug and play for my car.

[@Wheelman_Gunner]

Well unfortunately I canceled my ams intake manifold order and am going to get the process west. Then wait for IAG to bring out the new tgv housings and cobb to bring back the flex sensor... and if that doesn't pan out then might have to go full race car on the epa's ass!!! Lol thanks for everything you do in our community my guy you are awesome 👌

[@Smeedia]

Sigh, we have an AMS here we can't use now 😅

[@davidmills3623]

Another thing to think about is a wideband. You now can’t use the rear O2 signal to power the wideband sensor.

[@Smeedia]

Yuuuuup, no emmisions modifying at all, for big power cars Accesstuner is no longer an option

[@blaqkhavok4863]

Can't u just weld a new bung in, and run your own power lead to it?... pretty much going back to the late 90's, early 2000's when you had to add a whole sweat of sensors and hardware to a piggyback ecu...

[@davidmills3623]

@@blaqkhavok4863 True. But then you lose to ability to monitor your wideband through the ecu. Cobb no longer allows you to have the ability to manipulate the rear 02 voltage points.

[@nickormiston8411]

The nicest part of the access port for me was flashing back to stock to pass emissions in CA. I fall in to the group that isn’t affected by this though. I only have a TBE with a cat. Thanks for answering our questions

[@thaiweatherby1230]

Dude. Im about to get a tune and I live in San Diego. Emissions testing is the only thing I’m worried about 😭 im sure I can talk to my tuner to figure out how to pass right?

[@nickormiston8411]

@@thaiweatherby1230 my understanding is that California is now checking the ecu to see if it has a tune, any tune. That’s why I like the access port. I can put it back to stock.

[@kidstarr100]

This is making me scared man, I feel like other ecu devices are going to follow suit soon. I just got my KTuner too, hopefully they don’t go this route

[@Smeedia]

Hopefully they don't 😖

[@jeremyluder494]

They already have. Look at sct. Look at the ngauge. Yes there are others as well.

[@MrSheeevs]

Great video, tons of useful information. I’m the guy who was bothering you about matts srt4 in previous videos. I wanted you to know I’m proudly rocking the sh*t box jet tag on my srt4 keys now 😂

[@Smeedia]

Yesssss!!! Ima keep hastling Matt to get the SRT4 running 😅

[@ryanmaraffi1099]

Thanks for the video, I've been doing so much research on how to open source tune and was around the accessport. It be awesome if you could make some content on how to get a ROM file and the process of open source tuning.

[@Smeedia]

Going to try and make this happen when we tune our LGT

[@Awkward_Fox]

Was torn between Cobb and open-source. Now it's confirmed open-source. Yay me!

[@RoadBike4Life]

Saw a post from Prime Motoring and their perspective is that Cobb basically did us a solid here, and I kind of agree. It's awful how they blindsided everyone, but if they don't make efforts to comply with the EPA, our hobby and industry would go by the wayside. Very curious to see what Cobb and other companies develop in the coming months and years to prolong our ability to have fun with our cars. Hopefully it's a case of short term hurt for long term gain!

[@07stihawkeye64]

Prime is a your last resort they are scammers and should get shut down.

[@Cam_Lotro]

like okay sure, it doesnt matter that they did us a favor, we all knew this was coming, and they didn't do us a favor at all, regardless of whether they did this or not, our community and the aftermarket for cars is going to be a target REGARDLESS of what they did. That being said, there are SO many better ways they could have gone about doing this. They knew they were about to lose a shit ton of a money canceling their most popular and best-selling products, and so they got as many off the shelves legally as they could before canceling them. They straight up stole from people, and they know it. Unless they do like they did in the old days with the V2/V3 APs. People can defend Cobb all they want, their customer service has always been top notch in the past, but this time, they dropped the ball. bad.

[@billypurdy8581]

You think they did us a favor by suckling up to daddy government who has zero interest in letting us continue progressing our hobby they've arbitrarily decided is illegal? Take a good long look at the position you're taking here....

[@bluewffl8472]

Fug the EPA. As soon as they ban private jet use I'll be interested in what they think, until then....0 fugs. Everyone knows it's a pay to play deal....let's not act like they care about the environment here

[@Cam_Lotro]

​ @Billy Purdy suckling up to daddy government? how stupid can you be? You clearly don't understand that fines are a thing. THE COMPANY WOULDN't EXIST with the fines they would have accumulated, plus the ones they have already been hit with, IF THEY DIDNT DO THIS. WE'RE all LUCKY THEY DIDNT JUST PACK UP SHOP AND CALL IT QUITS IN THE FIRST place with all the money they have soaked up. The fact they are spending millions in development for new parts in the platform shows you they are still dedicated to serving the after-market world. In order for them to develop and market those parts, they have to stay in fucking business, or else we don't have a fucking option to buy anything, please use your brain

[@jason216cleveland]

I don’t wanna say that the entire flex fuel kit from cobb or any other manufacturer is useless at the moment. It still has fuel lines, it still has a mount, it still has a GM ethanol sensor. Can actually get a standalone gauge to monitor your ethanol content, plug it into the ethanol sensor and use that to tune for your duel map, and to be sure that it is indeed the correct mixture of fuel before switching your maps. Just my two cents on the matter. As for cobb issuing a refund I highly doubt that they will do that but I think when they develop the new wiring harness they should honor either a trade back of the old wiring harness or something along those lines

[@Smeedia]

IMO your better off returning it and piecing together a kit for less than half the price. (But that also depends on if people have them in box still or installed) Surprisingly enough they have been refunding people if the sensor was purchased in the last 12 months 🔥

[@jermainepickett9750]

Thanks Tanner for keeping us informed, calm and ready to move forward!

[@christophermitria4537]

2:48 is a question I was super interested in hearing about … for a friend. Thanks for the info!

[@corykoziczkowski6208]

I just plopped the new grimmspeed Overtake bb500 in my VA sti. I have all my emissions stuff intact and it fit wonderfully. Tuning later this week so no idea on numbers yet. If anyone is looking for a good stock location turbo that fits with tgvs, I think this will be the new big thing. My two cents anyways, also great video sir! Thank you!

[@pw85___]

I'm wondering if the BCP x500(+) is in the same ballpark as far as fitment. I want the Grimmspeed turbo too though. Oh well....the days of enormous 3in+ mouth stock location turbos are behind us

[@subiewrx4668]

I have the BB500 and its great, made 523whp and 510tq on my setup. I am thankful I already have done my tune and won't be connecting my ap to a computer ever again lol. Problem is I am hearing that even if you have all your emissions stuff as soon as you up the boost it will throw an overboost CEL so I don't know if it will even work.

[@pw85___]

@@subiewrx4668 those are great numbers. This update is a buzz kill for real. The boost isn't a delete feature I did read also.

[@corykoziczkowski6208]

@@subiewrx4668 would you mind sharing your build info? Factory or built block? Front mount? I got a bit lower than expected today but I'm still happy.

[@subiewrx4668]

@@corykoziczkowski6208 I have a slightly built engine, Manley forged pistons. Brian crower rods, and king bearings. I actually have a Grimmspeed topmount, and believe I have every bolt on possible lol. I have Killerb headers. I am running flex with Id1300s, and a radium hanger with a walbro 450.

[@pasigiri]

FA here. I saw this day coming way back. That's why I never did EGR and TGV deletes. I didn't expect Cobb doing what they did, but this day was coming.

[@Smeedia]

Was coming at some point 🙃

[@AustinEckhardtVlogs]

Appreciate you coming out asap and providing a well put together video. This is why I love you 😘

[@Smeedia]

Trying to help where I can 🙏🙏🙏

[@cloak_9516]

From someone who just got a tuned wrx and was blindsided by this. Thank you!

[@cameroni6656]

I just got an email from cobb this morning. They are issuing refunds within a 12 month period of purchase. "Hey Cameron, Thank you for contacting COBB Tuning! My name is Kyle and I'll be happy to assist you. We are honoring returns of the flex fuel kits as long as they were purchased from a dealer within the last 12 months. If you have a purchase receipt please send it over and I'll be happy to start an RMA. Thanks!"

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Probably one of the only VW owners that frequents your channel. The typical mods for MQB VWs doesn't require removing any emissions devices actually...if you can "make" a high flow cat work....you can make basically any setup imaginable work. With that said, I think I'm going to pull the trigger fairly soon on a few variations of tunes before they get canned for some EPA related nonsense. Really crazy these are the times were living in honestly.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Appreciate the video though man. I was considering Cobb for the VW, and as you've said....seemingly would have no issues making it work, but I've been thinking about going a different route entirely and this may have sealed the deal. Prob just going to stick with pump 93 as well. 370/415 to the wheels for a DD should be enough haha.

[@markusdemain11]

THANK YOU for the informative, easy to understand explination of this situation. Not all hero's wear capes. Happy Lab Week

[@projectxrapture]

Thanks for the info. I just bought a 2020 wrx a year ago and I almost bought a Cobb tuner the other day. Good thing u waited!!

[@kylecaesar4762]

In the middle of my build and I have been waiting for this thank you!!🔥🔥

[@Smeedia]

Hopefully this helps 🙏🙏🙏

[@cassiejvance7496]

Gotta give you a HUGE thanks for this video, Good information too us UK guy's. We been tuning 100 years plus without fance Pre play devices Tanna, you should talk with some UK car owners and tuners. Great video and respect too you. 🇬🇧💯📹✊✊

[@DarkWolfWRX]

I said this on your stream video but again, thanks for being one of the few to stop, use logic and explain things. I really wish more people whould watch this instead of screaming into internet oblivion over things they choose to not look into. Sadly from what I have seen there are not many Open Source tuning availabilities for us FA20 guys. But I am sure this will drive the need for it and it will happen. As for Cobb Flex, I am currently tuned with FBO, so sadly it will effect me if I get the chance to go built block. But MAYBE we will get lucky and they will find a way to utilize the Flex kits we have with harness adaptors or rewire. I dont know enough about the electronics to know if thats viable though. Cobbs handling of the flex kit was donkey balls. But none of it would have happened if the EPA would target the companies that literally pay to pollute instead of targeting the car communities.

[@Raichu595]

Welp, I guess I got my flex fuel tune done on my AP before it was too late…but this news is still pretty upsetting for those who planned on going the same route. The rugs been ripped from right under us without warning☹️ The only upside I can really see to all of this for us Cali folks is that once everything is finally CARB legal, we won’t have any state ref BS to deal with if we stick with all the Cobb CARB certified parts. No more going back to stock for smog purposes either. Yes the waiting game sucks, but it might be worth it in the long run. Open source and stand alone is going to be the way to go in the mean time for some flex fuel action

[@Smeedia]

Have a feeling Cobb will continue to price hike their parts once they're all certified though 🙃

[@masonboone7910]

Yea but there is 49 other states, I don't know why cali has to ruin the fun for everyone 😭

[@cryptikreap795]

@@masonboone7910 as per standard, california is a dogshit state, they do nothing for no one, and they ruin everything for everyone

[@bluewffl8472]

Or.....LOBBY YOUR SHITTY STATE....they work for YOU! Not the other way around....if we want it a certain way we CAN make it that way. People need to stop giving up and giving in....fight back from this nonsense. And for you treehuggers....let's be real, do you even have ANY idea how much the cars we are talking about can possibly even pollute, compared to say, a private jet usage in a year? You should look because most of the pollution in the world isn't coming from cars that are tuned/ran in America....lots of other targets here that are and have been far worse for decades....and where's all this electricity going to come from to charge all these electric vehicles? Tell ya right now, most won't be wind/solar....

[@mikeanthunt1070]

Thanks for the break down. When comparing Cobb to apple and the tatrix cable to Windows, the better comparison would be tatrix to Linux. With WIndows you still have limits. WIth Linux, you can literally change everything you want to about the OS and it's open source.

[@auomwehttam]

Bro thanks for consolidating all the information for us common plebs. Really appreciate it!

[@socom651]

The MazdaSpeed community started going insane, until everyone realized it doesn’t really affect us. Subaru owners and GTR owners got hit the worst. 🤧

[@jkon156]

It really did bro, thank god VersaTune is still a thing. Gonna be switching to that for the future, CST4 catless, but I still want to upgrade intake manifold and EGR delete. Had problems with carbon buildup in the past and I don't want that to happen anymore.

[@jordonpollock1550]

Speed6 guy with a catless tune in progress.. it does kind of affect us :/

[@michaelcannon950]

Thank you for giving such a informative answer to this issue with Cobb and the other ways we can get around are different tuning needs. Keep up the great work with your channel.

[@Levitations]

Good info. I’ve been trying to find the reasons why cobb did what they did and you explained a lot of unanswered questions I had

[@Smeedia]

🙏🙏🙏

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

its all because of the EPA.... the one thats run by liberal democratic nutjob hacks. you think they actually care about the environment?!? wrong they use it as a front to back door funds to donor shell companies for personal gain. Remember when trump essentially eliminated the EPA almost entirely? take a wild fcking guess what biden did... of course he brings it back! now you get to have alll the fun in the world =]

[@christopherlong5928]

Thanks dog!! Let the '13 build continue!!!

[@MarkGamingTV]

Damn, my catless, TGV deleted, secondary air pump deleted, speed density STI needs a new turbo. Guess my car is a paper weight to now. Thanks COBB. We need companies like this to fight the EPA, Cobb you are a bunch of spineless cowards.

[@Bones12x2]

How is COBB going to fight the federal government. What you mean is, you'd like COBB to go out of business. COBB is a small company in the grand scheme, they comply or die... End of story...many other tuning companies already have

[@jack073]

Did you not watch the video? Guy literally just spent 15 minutes explaining how you’re not fucked. Tuning Subaru’s was not invented by Cobb. It has existed far before them and will continue to exist long after they’re gone.

[@stickman-1]

Go fight the government. You will learn real quick it's poking the dragon and hoping it doesn't eat you. The real problem is the insane "global warming/cooling/climate change agenda." That is where all this started. Ignorant people making policies that effect everyone.

[@bluewffl8472]

Just Crack an older version of the software. Tune it yourself. Learn. Companies won't fight the epa....maybe in a very limited fashion is all. They're in business to make money, not change laws. That's our job to lobby our state and federal to tell them hell with this...MOST PEOPLE DONT WANT IT!

[@Fhwgads11]

Why not just get the same turbo again? No retune required

[@foxunfocused]

Olives and Anchovies sounds so good right now 😆 Definitely looking at Tactrix for my short term needs on the FRS.

[@Smeedia]

Tactrix stocks 📈📈📈

[@arltvrs8485]

Thanks for all the information it really helps and answer some of our questions 🙏

[@Smeedia]

Trying to help out where I can 🙏

[@arltvrs8485]

@@Smeedia we gladly appreciate what you do specially since I'm new to the subi world 🙂

[@StreetInspired1]

Super Informative video! This should clear up all of the confusion for a lot of people. Thank you for this!

[@DCCTRacing]

Open source tuning can be an alternative for many, but problem is- if tuners are getting the same pressure and heat from the EPA that Cobb and the rest of the industry is getting, will many tuners actually be willing to offer open source tuning? I called a shop local to me today and they stated they would not be open source tuning, just sticking with Cobb.

[@jordanhadley4215]

Because open source support is awful

[@robsti669]

Thanks for making this video. After taking a deep breath, I realized I can still go stage 3 without any worries.

[@benycregs]

We have been dealing with this in the diesel world for a few years now. Dont rely on open source tuning. Epa goes for the name brands first then will crack down on local shops.

[@charlesanger1828]

ECUTEK is apparently doing a region lock where the USA should be locked out but Canada and England won't be locked out. I asked a tuning shop I was planning on using for my build and that's what I got told by them. So if you guys want to get tuned start making the trek up to Canada more specifically to Ontario where they scrapped emissions for passenger vehicles and are only going after commercial vehicles.

[@EddieNuffSaid]

Appreciate the information!! Clears up the fud. Take care brother 👍🏼

[@josephyeffry1848]

Man! I was getting ready to take the online class since my car has no air pump cuz I’m getting tired of the Christmas tree I got on my dash. 🤦🏽‍♂️ now I’m gonna have to use that money to buy the whole system and put the in labor 😅 not looking forward to do this install!

[@Smeedia]

Definitely look for PnP kits if your looking at standalone 😅

[@josephyeffry1848]

@@Smeedia whole new rabbit to learn now 😅 and I’m new to the Subie gang lol I guess better cuz the cup is empty ready to hold some knowledge. Thanks for the upload brother! 🔥🔥🔥

[@IAGDewey]

"Cobb = Apple, Open source equals Linux/Android" could have been a better analogy. Cobb also hired all the top developers working on open source. Solid video though. Everyone needs to calm down. Link is also REALLY close to a PnP on the 08+ cars.

[@Smeedia]

Lol my bad 😅 the point was made though lol

[@johnstuart6631]

Cobb needs to be out of our lexicon after this. We all need to move to alternatives that aren't owned by the same parent company. Cobb, you can't sell stuff you know people can't use. And you can't undo sales that were made years ago by forcefully changing people's shit.

[@Smeedia]

This, hopefully a company comes out that can compete well

[@butwhole9704]

In theory someone could just use a older version of the AP manager, tuner studio, and the AP firmware. It's hard to retroactively add features like forced updates unless they already exist.

[@tylerlang9881]

I have been stacking parts for a few months I'm about 6K deep into my parts pile. In that parts pile is a entire fuel system "TGV deletes for a top feed rail" for some 1050 injectors and a cobb flex fuel kit with the fuel pressure sensor that i bought the week before they discontinued it with no knowledge that was ever happening. I felt lucky the week after that I was able to get them before they were gone, not knowing that they were going to make them useless. and of course they waited just long enough between them discontinuing them with telling nobody what was going on and any kind of return window. Timing was just right on their part to screw over anyone just like me that just invested into all these fuel system mods. I understand that Cobb has pressure from the epa and i can see how it may be necessary to discontinue selling certain parts to please the EPA, However I can not understand how they thought it was ok to screw over their customers the way they did, for example they could of discontinued selling parts and left the tune ability for parts they have sold and moved forward with new parts being cold carb compliant, every body could understand that. I have been a long time Cobb customer on several builds of my own and have recommended them for years to others. I have many cobb parts on my car like the titanium catback. Regardless of what cobb does from this point forward I will never run anything cobb again. and I will be removing all cobb parts from my car.

[@stockish_suburu]

Very informative for someone new to this platform🔥Do you think if i stop updating my accesstuner software and keep it on the same version from now on if it will avoid me from making a switch ?

[@Smeedia]

It's on the tuners end unfortunately when it comes down to making the tunes 😭

[@surgedtwice]

@@Smeedia 🤦‍♂️😡🤮

[@bluewffl8472]

Learn access tuner yourself....there are options to get different versions out there....Lil thing called p2p

[@westonmickey3890]

As always; the best explanation video regarding the corn on the Cobb debacle.

[@gar24407]

My secondary air pump has been dead since the car hit 60k 😂🤣. I hit 155k and not looking back. Open source is back on the table. I have been thinking I can put the pump, pipes and valves with an orifice that makes it thinks is working🤔. Same with the tgv, cut the housing and leave the last bit dangling on the back of the block 🤔. They will move and have feedback. Back to the piggy back ECM days of turboxs computers.

[@Smeedia]

That's an idea we were playing with last night 😅

[@Subalegacy]

I made my own secondary air pump delete kit and I had to dissect the sensor out from it and keep it plugged in and I didn't get a CEL. There are ways to do it!

[@bluewffl8472]

Just plug the tgv motors into the harness....if they can rotate just the valve motor spindle shouldn't throw codes....least on older ones

[@tl4581]

Ive owned 3 STI's and never used a COBB AP once, they seem pretty popular in america.

[@CWB-uk9vw]

Anyone else remember the TGV delete kits from APS back from like 02-03? They kept the the TGV motors and sensors and just moved them to a bracket to the ECU thinks they are still in the intake but they are actually tucked up under the manifold... guess I need to get busy building some brackets lol

[@trevorturkin9411]

"All this affects is your ability to delete O2, EGT, TGV, EGR, catalytic converters, secondary air pumps, and you cant run flex fuel" So pretty much everything someone would want to get into light mods to get an extra 150whp on their slowbaru. "You can still make 500hp on an accessport" like someone aiming for 500hp isn't putting down the money for a standalone ecu. Cobb did their customer base dirty with this and showed how weak they are. Instead of fighting like all of the small tuners and helping the cause, they just said "Govern us more Daddy!" And they didn't even leave an option to not update the software, like they could have just done that and no one would have been mad, but no, they deleted half of their functionality. I'm glad I got out of the Subaru game when I did cuz their new cars are trash and the aftermarket support just went to shit. Forced update/planned obsolete garbage. I don't get how y'all aren't heated. I don't even have a Subaru or an accessport anymore and I'm fuming. I'm wishing you all luck in finding another reasonable tuning solution.

[@tonybrochu2670]

I was behind the curve and heard about this yesterday from a buddy and first thing I did was call my tuner when the shop opened up. Time to go stand alone and save up extra cash to just go full blown build because any other work seems like “the juice isn’t worth the squeeze” like just adding a flex kit.

[@Usmcmullet]

Thanks much for peeling the layers back. Time to move to open source

[@shawnjalbert6458]

you got this out extremely fast you're the 🐐

[@Smeedia]

🙏🙏🙏

[@kornshadow097]

What I'd like to know is what software dyno tuners use that seemingly works on EVERYTHING. like for a hub dyno. Hopefully this will push open source dev's to make a better and more user friendly interface. Then again the Subaru ecu is a caveman ecu compared to acura, I've always said this since I started running with my 02 rsx type-s.

[@Telesko]

u so smart. I am glad I can still follow the "how to make xxx-whp" video to get to 350, but I do feel bad for anyone who gets boned by this. Thanks for clearing it all up though! I was worried the cobb catted downpipe was trash now, phew.

[@Smeedia]

Should still be solid 🥳

[@kidstarr100]

Dude what is happening, it just feels like everything we love about cars is dying.

[@Smeedia]

Happened before and will continue to happen. Just have to keep adapting

[@kidstarr100]

@@Smeedia amen brother

[@Dr.Ticklebum69]

I can't make myself like EVs. I just can't do it.

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

@@Dr.Ticklebum69 fuck no you will find me dead before i buy a fcking ev fck the goverment and fck them trying to force it upon everyone. it will soon be a complete failure there is no fcking way in hell the support system to run widespread ev will be in place anytime soon. there is literally so much fcking work that has to be done. its just another liberal green weenie fcking pipe dream that will explode in their face

[@kidstarr100]

@@Dr.Ticklebum69 there’s literally no way man. There’s nothing fun about an EV to me. The closest I’ll ever get to one is a hybrid like the NSX other than that nah

[@chadbrown4918]

There’s a lot of mis-information out there. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@Smeedia]

🙏🙏🙏

[@outdoorsfan6100]

All my homies hate the EPA🗿

[@Smeedia]

About to make some disrespected EPA Merch 🤣

[@tyhyhh]

so hopefully cobb will have a tune for the new wrx to me i enjoy just buying a downpipe intake coils wheels and getting a ots tune i enjoy how easy it is

[@tylerdoop]

This is a really good video man. Thanks for the info. Subscribed lately and I’ve found some really good videos your channel

[@khaozdreamz]

First thank you! I had know idea this went down. I feel for all you guys that are hit for this. Like you mentioned this is not the end of the world. There is a will there is a way right!!!

[@sjnims]

Bruhhhhhh…your analogy needs adjusting…open source tuning != Windows, OST = LINUX!!!! #IMANERD

[@Smeedia]

My bad 😅😅😅😅

[@meathead1011980]

You can mod with accessport and modify the tune with open source… that’s what I did for tgv’s

[@tyranus1111]

I wonder if you could make a decent sized house with all the useless bricks cobb just made

[@Smeedia]

Probably lol

[@jeremypenno]

I love this channel helps me with any issues I run into

[@peopleschampiii584]

Stand alone boys and move to texas

[@SaberisloveSaberislife]

Thanks for the information. Just got an '18 WRX and then this happened. At least I should be good going with Stage 1.

[@minjeong1279]

Look at boomslang. They make pnp kit for all years to run haltech elite series!

[@Smeedia]

Recently found them! Coming in clutch 🔥

[@l.c.jr.7792]

Thank you for being a voice of reason in this influx of an abundant # of people all butt hurt.. Also thanks for the continued education you have provided.. We all should have seen this comming, things lile this have always come, gone & changed since forever..

[@Smeedia]

In thr next few months I can almost guarantee other options will be added to the market for tuning as well. Someone will pick IL what Cobb left out

[@MikeG4936]

Speed density is still working! It was only removed for Nissan platforms.

[@Smeedia]

Glad to hear it's still working 🔥 few tuners I talked to were saying they were having issued with MAF stuff

[@kennethelliott5985]

Syvecs or haltech for the win

[@cdw584611]

This post was like a therapy session for all these people freaking out over the changes.

[@2slofouru]

If you have the mods, you can still get the tune, sans flex fuel for now. The main issue is your cel will come on if emissions parts aren't working and your cruise won't work. If you go for an inspection, and have a cel, you may not get a sticker. The only thing that bugs me is no cruise. 😆 Luckily my daily is Cobb and the impreza is haltech...and my tuner does both. Curious to see how the Cobb tune goes.

[@jasonwheat7875]

Good info bro. When my warranty is up on my 21' limited was gonna do an intake and tune so good to know what the real deal is!!!

[@ihashacks]

Honestly this is not that big of a deal from a tech perspective (any shadiness from Cobb's handling aside). Before Hondata ran a plug-and-play harness in the ODB-II port you had to send in your ECU to get modded with a USB port. From there you plugged a laptop directly in. I had a modded RSX with an Acer Aspire One mounted in the glovebox - way more gauges and data logging on-board, and the OBD-II port can still be used even over bluetooth to push stats to your phone if you want a "small screen" you can live glance at.

[@alexfromia4511]

open source it is. i'm convinced i'll be fine

[@a3970010]

Good information. I'm checking out the cable + laptop alternative as i watch this video. Thanks.

[@jeffwenke]

Glad I got my rotated kit done and tuned before the change, bummer on trying to go to e85 in the future though.

[@Smeedia]

Hopefully a fix or work around comes out soon

[@DCRT_DedSec]

This is a good time to hear megasquirt coming back if only with the open source tuning

[@dbcooper7159]

I just want some bolt on parts for my new wrx hopefully I will be able to do this.

[@Mikey6048]

Ecutek said early next year is the earliest they will follow suit.

[@dannyp204]

Soo. I'm mid build. Car was being worked on while I was in Florida with the Navy. I'm not in Washington, not even a month after, and all the old parts are in Florida...

[@joralex]

Tanner for the win 🏆 Thank you man!🙏

[@Smeedia]

🙏🙏🙏

[@cavemansparks2387]

We will do what we do and will always do what we do!!

[@southernmotoringsolutions9721]

Sweet put a video with all the info in it out for the EPA to use as a one stop shop!

[@Smeedia]

Let's be real here, the EPAs way ahead of anything already mentioned here.

[@jeremy5421]

A better comparison would be Apple or Microsoft vs Linux, Great Video!!

[@Smeedia]

Best thing I could think of at the time 😅

[@rogueroger0]

So open-source is going to be my solution, rip my ethanol sensor

[@dustindeville9428]

Love your content you put out. I live in Olympia,Washington also and want to start tuning my 2017 wrx. When the time comes, being your so knowledgeable when it comes to builds and recently saw the video showing you installing parts for viewers. Definitely would be interested in that. You mentioned emailing you for questions regarding that and pricing. Can you put your email for that on a video again soon. Thanks brother

[@Smeedia]

Not far at all 🥳🥳 [e-mail]

[@stevengill8151]

I am running a emtron subaru sti 08+ on my 2015 sti and its great