YouTuber To Murderer | The Disturbing Case of Pekka-Eric Auvinen

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@ladyoxygene24
@ladyoxygene24 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the case on Reddit where a guy posted plans to severely torture/mutilate his roommate, who he freely admitted was very nice to him. The reason? His roommate was romantically successful while he was not. A bunch of people figured out who the guy was and reported it, and everyone cried about that being an overreaction. Cases like this show why it's not.
@isaiah2536
@isaiah2536 Жыл бұрын
Source?
@BratFyre
@BratFyre Жыл бұрын
I'd rather overreact than underact. I'm in NZ but have twice reported violent incidents through interpol and had S.W.A.T show up at US "friend's" door steps. Both times were hoaxes thankfully but I wasn't prepared to risk it
@Josh-xd9mj
@Josh-xd9mj Жыл бұрын
​@Isaiah Find it yourself, don't be lazy.
@ladyoxygene24
@ladyoxygene24 Жыл бұрын
@@isaiah2536 it’s the post that got the incel sub banned. I’ll look for it in a bit when I’m off work but the original is long since nuked and the anti incel sub I first saw it on doesn’t have it as a top post of all time funnily enough.
@Vampyr_000
@Vampyr_000 Жыл бұрын
There are weak men and then there are men. You don't need to be toxic masculine. Just educated and civilized, a good character and conduct goes far. Take care of your hygeine. No, it's not all looks. I've seen chads cheated on. I read a story once about a homeless man taking someones wife. We live in an absurd world. The man who did this proved himself unfit. He is mentally unfit.
@danniii7385
@danniii7385 2 жыл бұрын
It was wild to see another KZbinr online call him out and talk about warning signs etc. He was completely right, unfortunately.
@jarretc110
@jarretc110 2 жыл бұрын
he was right, yet extremely smug and condescending in his tone. not a very effective way to deliver a message.
@danniii7385
@danniii7385 2 жыл бұрын
@@jarretc110 yeah, definitely
@chrisdiaz9011
@chrisdiaz9011 2 жыл бұрын
@@jarretc110 I would be pretty condescending too if the warnings I made went unheard and lives were lost as a result.
@Jesus_in_the_Coliseum
@Jesus_in_the_Coliseum 2 жыл бұрын
@@IO1070IO you’re really pulling at straws, anything to fit the narrative you want though. Also you’d think over 10 years his opinions and content would differ.. oh yeah it does.
@IO1070IO
@IO1070IO 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jesus_in_the_Coliseum Sure. But the stuff I mentioned was from about 2007 to 2017. And I only noticed a switch in 2019 or so. Ever thought he just jumped on the bandwagon?
@UriahElroy666
@UriahElroy666 2 жыл бұрын
"He lost his online girlfriend to another online man." That is the funniest, cringiest sentence I've ever heard. What an odd epoch to exist in.
@TheVirtualOz
@TheVirtualOz 2 жыл бұрын
If you meet online and date but never meet up irl...you never dated lol
@teslagirl1
@teslagirl1 2 жыл бұрын
A distant relation back in the days when settlers in the American west would write for mail order brides lost a bride to the stagecoach driver who was supposed to pick her up at the train station and bring her the rest of the way to his ranch. This was his second long distance romance that failed to bring him wedded bliss...his first prospective bride died of typhus during her journey. Finally, he gave up on finding a wife...though about a decade after he gave up, a wife found him.
@bobbeezel2593
@bobbeezel2593 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, there’s a ton of kids that think they’re in real relationships even though they’ve never met and only spoke online. They literally behave like they’re together! They remain “faithful” to one another and actually tell each other, “I love you”. My loser stepson actually won’t go out and meet a real woman because he thinks he’s “dating” (exclusively) his online girlfriend! At 26 years old you’d think he’d want something real, something that has a real future? But no, he’s perfectly fine in his delusions
@yuko273
@yuko273 2 жыл бұрын
@@bobbeezel2593 and who are you to jugde that? He's his own person and to call him a loser is quite disgusting.
@bobbeezel2593
@bobbeezel2593 2 жыл бұрын
@@yuko273 yep, he’s a loser. A real loser alright. Glad you agree
@tahafaik9263
@tahafaik9263 Жыл бұрын
Im from Finland, and i remember when this happened. It was horrible, and not even a year later there was another school shooting in Kauhajoki, eleven people died including the shooter. Thankfully, that had been the last school shooting in Finland. Both of these cases are truly horrible, to be able to inflict that kind of pain and suffering to complete strangers disgusts me to this day... I was 13 when this happened, and 14 when the shooting in Kauhajoki happened. Rest in peace to all of those victims not only in these shootings but in all school shootigs in the world, you did not deserve what happened to you and i am truly sorry :(
@elinazariel
@elinazariel Жыл бұрын
me too, still living in Finland back then. They started to take threats like that more seriously after this case. What I find as a strange thing is that Finland is supposed to be one of the happiest countries yet has high suicide rate. Though I guess it has gone down compared to population from the 90's, but anxiety and other mental health problems are common.
@Eucis93
@Eucis93 Жыл бұрын
I’m Finnish too, I was 14 when this happened in Jokela. This shooting truly chocked the whole country. Our highschool had a moment of silence every morning for a very long time after this, and I remember alot of parents even made their kids stay home from school out of fear that there would be copycat offenders. This was the first school shooting in Finland (to my knowledge) and it was one of the most gruesome things that has happened in our country. It was a weird time, and watching this video I realize I still got some trauma from it. I remember me and my friends talking about what we would do in that situation, and the teachers would talk to us about recognizing warning signs.
@rsautos
@rsautos Жыл бұрын
u fins deserve it lol
@dontask5259
@dontask5259 Жыл бұрын
Me too
@Monnisti
@Monnisti Жыл бұрын
@Eucis93 The first shooting in a Finnish school happened 1989 in Rauma.
@ZanaAir
@ZanaAir 2 жыл бұрын
Recently in Portugal, a student intended to perform a terrorist attack on his University with the intent to kill as many classmates as possible. He was stopped by Portuguese police before he could do it because days earlier, he told an American friend on Discord what he was intending to do. His friend was worried he might be speaking the truth so he contacted the FBI. Afterwards, the FBI informed Portuguese police by sharing his online info and username, which they used to find his real name and location. All of this to say that if you feel like someone you know from a different country is about to commit a dangerous harmful act, your best shot is to contact your country's authorities and provide them with relevant information!
@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826
@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe stop calling people "karens" for it then lol.
@patscorner7183
@patscorner7183 2 жыл бұрын
In Spain where I live, I remember the police said, " if there's nothing broken then I can't make a report " meaning they want to see blood first
@InteriorDesignStudent
@InteriorDesignStudent 2 жыл бұрын
@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 Yeah, because that's what Karens do.
@clementine8853
@clementine8853 2 жыл бұрын
@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 ?
@abellabarbie
@abellabarbie 2 жыл бұрын
@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 No one does that. You just love your victim mentality, huh. 😂
@birb4275
@birb4275 2 жыл бұрын
It's kind of funny how his goal was to eliminate "weak-minded" and "unworthy" people, yet in the end he eliminated himself too.
@henkaistudio
@henkaistudio 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean he literally described himself as a Social Darwinist who would eliminate all that he see is unfit and I find that ironic. Because when he killed himself he probably considered himself unfit.
@RebelMisanthrope01
@RebelMisanthrope01 2 жыл бұрын
I mean he did say in his manifesto he didn't want to be "apart of this fucked up society" I'm pretty sure he was just suicidal and his suicide had nothing to do with him being unfit
@louisaklimentos7583
@louisaklimentos7583 2 жыл бұрын
I guess he knew he had done wrong and so he ended his life .
@regularname1825
@regularname1825 2 жыл бұрын
@@RebelMisanthrope01 yeah he most likely cowarded in front of the consequences for his actions
@howardbaxter2514
@howardbaxter2514 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, mental illness does do that to you. You ultimately see yourself as unfit and unworthy when you suffer from depression and anxiety. Of course, his mindset and the way he went about things was completely fucked in every sense of the word.
@maiju7254
@maiju7254 2 жыл бұрын
This is weird to watch as a Finnish person. I'm one year younger than Pekka-Eric. I live several hours away from where this happened, but I remember when the news hit and at our high school (lukio) all school work halted and teachers talked about us with what was currently happening, I remember this being around 11am. The atmosphere was tense and quiet. This was the first school shooting that ever happened in Finland, there has only been one after this. The perpetrator of the second attack took example from Pekka-Eric. Hope nothing like this ever happens again here.
@CoffeehouseCrime
@CoffeehouseCrime 2 жыл бұрын
Its absoloutely devestating to hear and cover cases like these. The real frustration for me rests with the clear warning signs which remained unaddressed before it was too late... simultaneoiusly, I can see why they were never fully investigated. When I set myself the task of answering 'what to do in a situation where you observe concerning online behaviour' I was surprised to be left with no clear answer. The internet can be an extremely convoluted place to interact which leaves no definitive reporting process, especially when time is urgent.
@yoshiko1115
@yoshiko1115 2 жыл бұрын
55th 7û ii 8 oo oo
@methequin7239
@methequin7239 2 жыл бұрын
i was 9 at the time so we weren't told in much detail so i only have vague memories og this happening, but my town is less than 30min drive away, so it kinda hit close to home geographically.
@satutoivonen9679
@satutoivonen9679 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this left the whole country traumatized no matter where you lived. Before this happened we thought we're somehow immune to mass school shootings as we'd never had one. Then we had the another one the next year! Those were scary times as you couldn't help but think that this is the new normal now. Ended up not being though. Interesting tidbit: one Jokela survivor eventually became a politician and she's actively trying to better mental health services in Finland. She's currently a Member of the European Parliament and I voted for as she's really good! (Edits: gooood, I can't spell!)
@chelseapthib36
@chelseapthib36 2 жыл бұрын
@@CoffeehouseCrime you speak so eloquently. I could listen to you all day. And I agree with your comment 100%
@parsa4542
@parsa4542 2 жыл бұрын
Living in Finland for 5 years now, it’s an extremely safe country compared to a lot of countries. Hearing this story was chilling to me and I actually didn’t know about this massive massacre. Thanks for covering stories from different countries around the world.
@EJCruz924
@EJCruz924 Жыл бұрын
It's not a country thing although I'm sure it's very beautiful.. all it takes is one unstable person..❤
@brodiestephens419
@brodiestephens419 Жыл бұрын
​@@EJCruz924 it's not a country thing *other than USA* of course, right?! USA is very obviously the infuriating and insanely frequent outlier for mass-shootings worldwide.
@warbossgegguz679
@warbossgegguz679 2 жыл бұрын
5:15 "Eric liked his games and seemed to play a lot of Battlefield 2, *back when the series was good.* " Amazing commentary as always Adrian. Love this channel.
@j.g.junior9835
@j.g.junior9835 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Wow. Astounding. How could anyone ever articulate that observation? Wow. The emperor truly has no clothes. No skin either. Oh heck he is invisible by now. Amazing commentary? Need a desperate recalibration of the scales that measure excellence.
@warbossgegguz679
@warbossgegguz679 2 жыл бұрын
@@j.g.junior9835 I was referring to the joke... but if it's so mediocre why are you here?
@Ethanmmmmmm
@Ethanmmmmmm 2 жыл бұрын
@@j.g.junior9835 do you get bullied at school?
@redmudpei
@redmudpei 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ethanmmmmmm He wishes, then at least they'd be talking to him
@SaintKitteh
@SaintKitteh 2 жыл бұрын
I came to the comments section to see if anyone else noticed this. I definitely lol’d.
@Whigu
@Whigu 2 жыл бұрын
This is really interesting to watch as a Finnish person and I clearly remember when this happened here in Finland. Never thought that you would make an episode of Finnish happening.
@OKKULTISM
@OKKULTISM 2 жыл бұрын
i still remember the day, our teacher told us about what happened and we had a silent moment in class for the victims
@ninolindfors8399
@ninolindfors8399 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, i remember clearly. I was In 2nd grade and we had hour of silence for those who passed. One of the More horrific cases In Finland and this monster even killed himself... Couldnt face justice what a coward
@josephprovencher6345
@josephprovencher6345 2 жыл бұрын
@@ninolindfors8399 I just barely started the video and can tell by your guys comments that it's going to be a really sad one.
@veeramakela4890
@veeramakela4890 2 жыл бұрын
I was in second year of high school when this happened, and I remember our teachers crying and we dedicated several classes for discussing this. It was pretty terrifying
@letitbe7108
@letitbe7108 2 жыл бұрын
@@ninolindfors8399 do you have crimes in Finland? My first thought was the Finnish people don't commit crimes
@LV426-Acheron
@LV426-Acheron 2 жыл бұрын
"He played Battlefield2. Back when the series were good." Never thought that im gonna laugh this hard at some of your videos. Thank you for that, and of course for your weekly amazing work. You are great Adrian!
@chriswinston9010
@chriswinston9010 2 жыл бұрын
This got me too. Came for the great true crime stories, brilliant gaming banter is just the cherry on top
@Tinyfurball
@Tinyfurball 2 жыл бұрын
Everything sucks these days.
@CoffeehouseCrime
@CoffeehouseCrime 2 жыл бұрын
RIP 2042 haha
@nehc_tnecniv
@nehc_tnecniv 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tinyfurball Don't be sad...
@Tinyfurball
@Tinyfurball 2 жыл бұрын
@@nehc_tnecniv It is a fact, mor*n.
@boostertrap
@boostertrap Жыл бұрын
Nobody talks about it but his dad made a video about it. Look up "For Our Son" and it shows Erik's childhood photos. I cant even begin to imagine how horrible it must've felt for his parents.
@enescesur2199
@enescesur2199 Жыл бұрын
Yet I think most of his racial thoughts were inheritated from his father, Erik is not 'pure blood' himself, but half asian ancestory.
@NKceller
@NKceller Жыл бұрын
@@enescesur2199 did you make that up
@xoxoxovaivaivai
@xoxoxovaivaivai Жыл бұрын
@@enescesur2199 how is he half asian? Are any of his parents full blown asian?
@teukka623
@teukka623 Жыл бұрын
@@enescesur2199 his mother said that even if they wanted to influence eric’s beliefs they couldn’t because of how stubborn he was
@Slaikkarinaj
@Slaikkarinaj Жыл бұрын
@@enescesur2199 It's called turan.
@theeastwood-youngfamily
@theeastwood-youngfamily 2 жыл бұрын
Don't ya just love how these people give warnings and everyone else just dismisses them.
@vstopbiaswreckingme7194
@vstopbiaswreckingme7194 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I think 99% of humans are colourblind cause we keep missing these red flags
@YDSD
@YDSD 2 жыл бұрын
Because they care about themselves only and bully others and think that the kid is just the weird kid. That hes not gonna do anything. One day he does
@Donscottgaming
@Donscottgaming 2 жыл бұрын
It's simple. Because people don't care.
@ShaneMcGrath.
@ShaneMcGrath. 2 жыл бұрын
A bit like the WEF and certain governments, But the sheep continue to be sheep!
@cinnamonndonuts
@cinnamonndonuts 2 жыл бұрын
You must have never dealt with police or anything before when it’s clear a serious situation is about to arise. I’ve literally been told by police in most cases they can’t do anything until it’s too late.
@sssttt90
@sssttt90 2 жыл бұрын
As an adult it now amazes me all they bullying goes on in school and ignored by teachers, principles, and staff. I once even witnessed a female teacher in engage in very serious bullying. Adults shape the children into the future they become.
@AD-cc7bj
@AD-cc7bj 2 жыл бұрын
@Mrs Blume it's a terrible world we live in
@juri_xiii9977
@juri_xiii9977 2 жыл бұрын
He wasnt that much a bullied guy,as he was just an Incel..
@j2398
@j2398 2 жыл бұрын
"Adults shape the children into the future they become" thats such a vague and blanket statement and hardly rings the truth. My ideologies fundamentally vary much differently than that of my parents. It's true for kids who are less educated and don't ever experience anything outside of their home county let alone state. But a good amount have different ideologies than their parents. If we all just believed what our parents did how would we ever be innovative and progressive? Your right bullying isn't good but guess what? It's going to be around for the rest of mankinds presence on earth. It's how you deal with adversity mostly that shapes you. Blaming bullies and other such factors are somewhat of an excuse for choices you yourself made in return. I don't condone bullying. But we all have choices to make Im the aftermath of said bullying . It says alot about a person who chooses to go get a gun and shoot people because they were called a few names. I'd say they were fairly unstable to begin with.
@purplefood1
@purplefood1 2 жыл бұрын
@@j2398 Bullying is more than just mean words and frankly saying that only shows your ignorance regarding the gravity of such a thing.
@beaulieuc8910
@beaulieuc8910 2 жыл бұрын
@Mrs Blume Very true, some of the bullies were the teachers
@DrawinGrill
@DrawinGrill 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from Finland and even if this is "the happiest country in the world" bullies are freeroaming around causing mental health problems to the victims themselves. It feels like the victims are punished. They move schools when the bullies should be banned. They have to take all of the bullying... The mental health system sucks too. It takes way too long to even get in. I'm not making excuses for him. He's a piece of shit but I really just want to point out these problems.
@missbearlockholmes
@missbearlockholmes 2 жыл бұрын
How does Finland manage to rank so high in Happiness? Nothing I've ever read or heard about Finland sounds happy? Also, humanity as a whole sides with bullies. Sucks, but true.
@DrawinGrill
@DrawinGrill 2 жыл бұрын
@@missbearlockholmes I think it might be because most of the health care places are free. School is free from elementary school to as far as high school nowadays. I'm pretty sure the ranking also comes from the fact that the finnish population is pretty small. But the biggest problem we have is definitely mental health (in my opinion at least).
@deadmanwalking93
@deadmanwalking93 2 жыл бұрын
@@missbearlockholmes The happiness index means nothing. If anything, it ranks the APPEARANCE of happiness. You know what causes much of mental health problems? Having to appear happy all the time when there are problems underneath. I bet mental health issue is becoming problematic in Finland because of this. Besides, how does an external observer poll a population to accurately determine their level of happiness. Only the individual can know accurately, and they are not going to report honestly just because they are asked to rate their own happiness.
@inezdebaue4077
@inezdebaue4077 2 жыл бұрын
@@deadmanwalking93 I agree to your statement. Another example would be South- Korea… just the mere fact of having to pretend you’re all smiles and happiness while down below you’re extremely suffering is like causing/ evoking an unimaginable damage to your mental health… our society breeds people with irreparable health issues, capable of anything… it’s like cancer slowly spreading and infecting everything… In Germany where i’m living it is disastrous when it comes to getting an appointment to a psychologist or psychiatrist. Literally months of waiting isn’t seldom and even became normality. Our today’s world should rapidly and necessarily invest more in the prevention of mental health issues of world‘s population rather than delay or even neglect it.
@brianlam257
@brianlam257 2 жыл бұрын
Is there any law against bullying at school? In Japan, teachers are legally bound to report such cases
@carnivorewitch
@carnivorewitch Жыл бұрын
I’ve reported someone before in a different country. I found where he was living in Canada because I knew his phone number and contacted his local police office and emailed them his threats to kill people. They took action. He was mentally unstable and got him the help he needed.
@davidlynch9049
@davidlynch9049 Жыл бұрын
As a Canadian, I thank you. The world is small now with social media and every country has mentally unstable people who can commit violence. It's important we all stay vigilant and report it to the local authorities ASAP.
@thegoofystoic
@thegoofystoic Жыл бұрын
Good! Glad you put in some effort. What you did may have saved lives, who will never know. You're awesome
@longdong3889
@longdong3889 Жыл бұрын
Never happened 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@johnstory2996
@johnstory2996 Жыл бұрын
@@longdong3889 So many simpletons subbed to this channel 🤦‍♀️
@Raoul.
@Raoul. Жыл бұрын
@@longdong3889 ok and?
@whydidimakeayoutubeaccount7677
@whydidimakeayoutubeaccount7677 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not from Finland but my best friend is from Jokela and her big brother actually went to school with this guy when this happened - This is the first time I'm seeing someone with a bigger platform covering it in the true crime community. Thanks for shining light on more international cases :)
@NotASnowflake
@NotASnowflake 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad your friends are ok, please send our thoughts and prayers to them as well as you.
@bryceharper446
@bryceharper446 2 жыл бұрын
So many horrible stories
@Chimerism101
@Chimerism101 2 жыл бұрын
What did your friend have to say about Auvinen before this happened?
@aarons6935
@aarons6935 2 жыл бұрын
No they didn't.
@NotASnowflake
@NotASnowflake 2 жыл бұрын
@@aarons6935 Is this directed at the original post? If so, are you talking facts? You can't just say "No they didn't" without some context.
@agneskorea5000
@agneskorea5000 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Adrian, good video as always. Recently, something like this was avoided in my country (Portugal): a guy, a first year student at uni and victim of bulling, was planning a massacre. According to the news, he was talking about it on a Discord group, when somebody noticed and gave a hint to the FBI, that contacted our Polícia Judiciária. He was arrested and the police found weapons and a diary. I guess that in cases like this, call "the FBI" of your country and give the informations you have, the autorities will contact the ones of the other country. UPDATE: it seems he had a "girlfriend" that idolized Hitler and mass shooters like the kids from Columbine. His family is blaming her for influencing him, she says the idea was his.
@Abingdale
@Abingdale 2 жыл бұрын
That’s crazy, I’m so glad the person contacted the FBI who contacted the authorities of Portugal. This is good advice. 💚
@Kimmaline
@Kimmaline 2 жыл бұрын
Because these social media companies are all (or, largely) based in the U.S., it gives the U.S. authorities a certain amount of jurisdiction over threats and the like which happen on their platforms. In much the same way that anything on KZbin falls under U.S. copyright law, if you're in the U.S., don't let where you think the suspected perpetrator is stop you from reporting.
@JimBob1937
@JimBob1937 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kimmaline , they have no authority in other countries, doesn't matter where the platform is based. However, they can pass information onto specific country authorities. Directly contacting local authorities is likely preferred if you believe time is of essence, less middlemen.
@sarahalbers5555
@sarahalbers5555 2 жыл бұрын
If it saves one innocent life, it is more than worth getting involved.
@kokoskokso
@kokoskokso 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice! Also, if worst case the report results in a false alarm, too bad, they kinda brought it upon themselves by talking so much rubbish.
@joonaskosonen95
@joonaskosonen95 2 жыл бұрын
holy fuck this brings up the painfull memories. I was one of the rare survivaled ones, i was shot to my shoulder by Pekka, im sorry but i couldnt watch this through as whole because it just hurts to even remeber that pile of shit name. You did good video what i could lissen and watch.
@Jusuff
@Jusuff 2 жыл бұрын
Osanotot. En voi edes kuvitella miltä tuntui olla siellä helvetissä. Hyvä että selviydyit hengissä
@littlewillowlinda
@littlewillowlinda 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow. So glad you made it and i hope your trauma gets easier to cope with in time
@PinkNintendoDuo87
@PinkNintendoDuo87 2 жыл бұрын
It must have been a traumatic experience, especially on a first/secondhand basis. Hope you’re in a better place. 👈😢🙏
@joonaskosonen95
@joonaskosonen95 2 жыл бұрын
I still have nighmares of it sometimes and my arm is 85% working order. The worse scars are the mental ones that i wrestle with but i have good job and decent living
@PinkNintendoDuo87
@PinkNintendoDuo87 2 жыл бұрын
@@joonaskosonen95 Good to know that it’s not (completely) holding you back in life.✌️
@sagamaraia
@sagamaraia 2 жыл бұрын
When Jokela happened, I was working in IRC-Galleria, back then a hugely popular social media platform in Finland. Pekka-Eric had a profile too and also posted his manifesto onto its blog. We were quickly following the real time events through IRC (Internet Relay Chat) and I remember how someone had hid into the bathroom at Jokela school and texted their loved ones (which were also related to IRC) how scared they were and what sounds they were hearing. It was very quiet, apparently. As we found out the identity of this assailant, we immediately contacted the police and told them everything we knew. We hid his profile and the manifesto so it wouldn't be visible for anyone and especially the press, as we understood also the family of this man have to be protected. Police didn't know a lot about the case yet, they only knew some rumours and had received some calls from the school. Maybe. I have no real knowledge of that. But we ended up speeding up the investigation quite a bit and within just an hour or so after it had started. Pekka knew Finnish police would not hesitate to come after him and he seemed to lack a real concrete plan, so the whole thing was over fast. Afterwards we held crisis chats to young kids at IRC-Galleria and kids all over Finland were scared to go to school. I was sitting in trauma chats for a week before the first shock was over and after that week it was us moderators that had to start working with our thoughts. It's never an easy task to take down profiles of the deceased. Not in the case of Jokela, not with Kauhajoki, not with Konginkangas accident or the Tsunami in Phuket. It's hard. That is the one thing that I think should be important to know about this thing: social media was in key part in all things related to this event. It was the place for Pekka to get his thoughts through, and it was the thing that gave police a suspect within an hour after first calls for help, while people were still terrorized by a mad gunman. And it has since been the place which stores his manifesto and lets it be an influence to copycats. I has been a place for healing, it has been a place for helping others heal and it continues to be all this to everyone willing to listen. In good, and in bad.
@lendyourgunplease1120
@lendyourgunplease1120 2 жыл бұрын
I happen to be a Finnish student and because of my field of work I had to take a course in workplace safety. The man who led the class was an ex EMT who responded to the shooting and the thing that stuck with me is him telling about the bravery of the teachers. They were locking and barricading doors to make shure Auvinen didn't get to certain parts of the building while they were getting shot at. Absolute heros!
@DRAG0NEERS
@DRAG0NEERS 2 жыл бұрын
The part that truly tears my heart is hearing the experience of his father. Not only did he also lose a child that day, he will forever be haunted by the atrocity that his child brought on the world. He had tried to get him help, yet he's still standing in his son's empty bedroom, and he can never mourn that loss without the disgrace, shame, and horror accompanying it. As a father, I cannot even fathom the isolating grief he must have, and continues to, go through.
@lastStand20
@lastStand20 2 жыл бұрын
His son was a nazi. I will accept what you say and feel empathy for him only if he is opposed to this ideology. On the other hand, if his sons ideology was accepted by him , then i really dont give a shit about his feelings.
@Ghost-lt4sf
@Ghost-lt4sf 2 жыл бұрын
@@lastStand20 I wish sometimes we could just have small moments of well-meaning human empathy. Or at least let someone else have them.
@lastStand20
@lastStand20 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ghost-lt4sf I said "if" he accepted (or even worse pass) this ideology to his son. To me "empathy" for nazies means tolerance to nazism. And those who have tolerance for nazism have no empathy for their victims. "Human empathy" for nazies.... Poor little Hitlers... Accepting or even tolerate this kind of ideology makes society responsible for those victims.
@Ghost-lt4sf
@Ghost-lt4sf 2 жыл бұрын
@@lastStand20 good analytical@@lastStand20a @@lastStand20just extending and expressing human empathy. edit: sorry. It messed my comment up?? Let me try again
@Ghost-lt4sf
@Ghost-lt4sf 2 жыл бұрын
@@lastStand20 I agree wholeheartedly with what you’re saying. I am just of the opinion that it could’ve been a good analytical comment on its own, instead of interjecting it under a sentimental moment from a parent expressing human empathy
@RemyConst
@RemyConst 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's worth a mention that FInland revised its gunlaws after Jokela, making it harder to get a license for one.
@CoffeehouseCrime
@CoffeehouseCrime 2 жыл бұрын
Good point! I forgot to mention this, thank you.
@melvinmerkelhopper5752
@melvinmerkelhopper5752 2 жыл бұрын
How exactly were they changed?
@ApeLikeThinker
@ApeLikeThinker 2 жыл бұрын
What laws did they pass that would have stopped this? I’m not sure what Finland’s “free speech” laws are but other than his internet activity I don’t see any legal reason to have barred him from gun ownership
@willnagy3448
@willnagy3448 2 жыл бұрын
@@ApeLikeThinker so 8 month plan to do the school and at least one person foreshadowed it. Your logic confuses me. I guess I'm one of those unfit people he was talking about and murdered.
@imaXkillXya
@imaXkillXya 2 жыл бұрын
It's free real estate - Russia
@neea9748
@neea9748 Жыл бұрын
i love how you always talk about the areas/countries in a positive light in the end of these videos. it's something i've never seen before but it's important. i think it's easy to see some countries as just the crimes or atrocities committed in them, especially if the country is smaller or less well known, or the crime committed was very severe. i saw this in a video about a japanese criminal too, it just makes me very happy for some reason.
@mamamax_voiceact4497
@mamamax_voiceact4497 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering those less known case and giving a voice to unheard victims.
@ethandeminter2787
@ethandeminter2787 2 жыл бұрын
School bullying needs to be taken more seriously, kids this age are so impressionable to their surroundings. Tragic, I hope the victims found their forever peace.
@linnjohnsen4073
@linnjohnsen4073 2 жыл бұрын
I agree! School bullying is more dangerous than anyone almost can imagine.. I can still not understand how a person could do such evil thing🥺😭
@GeekExtremist
@GeekExtremist 2 жыл бұрын
While I agree that school bullying needs to be addressed, the bigger issue is the internet. Not only are they being bullied in school, but come home and bullied over the internet. Or they're in an echo chamber of hate, depending on what forums they're in. People need to drop the negative stigma that psychology/therapy/counseling has had for decades. While mental health is taken slightly more serious now than in the past, you still have more people that say that they agree with mental health, but then won't go see a therapist themselves. Or won't send their child to see one because "I don't want people getting the wrong ideas about my child."
@AlbionRising
@AlbionRising 2 жыл бұрын
But it all comes down to mental illness!!! It's so underrated worldwide. I've seen it happened to people I know and nobody gives a shit till something happens!
@jediping
@jediping 2 жыл бұрын
I agree bullying needs to stop. But most kids who are bullied do not go on to shoot up their schools. I, for one, never even considered it. It, just like “mental health,” is one of the things that gets brought up again and again, and yet when we look closer at the lives of these dipsh*ts, we see narcissism and a general disdain for people, not depressed, anxiety-ridden people who finally snap after years of abuse by classmates. Like the guy said, the warning signs were all there, and it wasn’t the bullying and anxiety, it was the hateful views and grandiose sense of self.
@JamesOutonBond
@JamesOutonBond 2 жыл бұрын
Bullying is an issue but it really comes down with the parents being more aware and apart of their child's life. If my son exhibited ANY of these behaviors or traits, I would give him more attention and professional help. And NEVER be allowed a gun.
@zacharyoftavastia2445
@zacharyoftavastia2445 2 жыл бұрын
As a native Finnish person it's surprising to see a foreigner doing a documentary of this case.
@zdravo3543
@zdravo3543 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah you guys are a closed people.
@llywas
@llywas 2 жыл бұрын
I was on seventh grade when this happened, staying at home from school that day - I watched it happening live on the news channel. We had lot of school shooting threats afterwards, even police patroling at certain schools on the worst cases. Kauhajoki school shooting happened only year afterwards, devastating people even further. Thank you for covering a case from my country though! I know our names and locations can be difficult to pronounce for english, but you did well! Out of all cases in Finland, I suggest you take a look at Myyrmanni Bombing or even lake Bodom murders, which are both quite notorious in here.
@ifgezroxy
@ifgezroxy 10 ай бұрын
Oh yeah! Those 2 cases would work perfectly for this channel! Especially Bodom lake murders. Now that is a head scratcher.
@margotrosendorn6371
@margotrosendorn6371 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who's schizophrenic and intimately familiar with the juvenile justice system/psychiatric facility and people in them, believe me when I say this: *Extremist beliefs are the biggest red flag* The majority of us with mental health issues are just lost and upset. Being a murderous asshole is not a diagnosis!
@dickdastardly5534
@dickdastardly5534 2 жыл бұрын
I think your right on the money there, I have spent my career in mental health as a nurse and have seen people with fixations and when the y get out of hand. The medicalisation of mental health has done little in my opinion. Stay well.
@_crowlady_
@_crowlady_ 2 жыл бұрын
100%
@mayplaysgames7978
@mayplaysgames7978 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, and unfortunately mental health disorders are still so stigmatized today ;-;
@cholweshabukali8857
@cholweshabukali8857 2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@tpl6963
@tpl6963 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but it depends on the views. In this day and age, I am considered a crazy person for being a Trump fan/holding some moderately conservative fiscal beliefs lol
@slackerofhell
@slackerofhell 2 жыл бұрын
As a victim of bullying, I had one single teacher in my entire school life that knew I wasn't the one causing trouble. I only reacted to the kids picking at me because they were picking at me. Every other teacher I ever had somehow made me the bad guy because of my reaction. People say to stand up for yourself but every single time I ever did I was the one who went to the principals office. When the bully cries wolf you're basically screwed.
@evilreborn4088
@evilreborn4088 2 жыл бұрын
Though luck. My entire life be in school, college, or graduation I am picked on and shunned for not talking. I have seen the disgust nature of humanity and seriously I hate humanity. Bbut I need them aao I can use them for my benefit. Only good my parents always support me. If not I woulld have killed someone or myself long ago
@beno1129
@beno1129 2 жыл бұрын
@@evilreborn4088 I would like to encourage you that life gets better. Remain strong, get some hobbies, do some volunteer work, and focus on developing your work skills. As you get older you'll get more self-confident and more self-reliant.
@winthrop2396
@winthrop2396 2 жыл бұрын
@@evilreborn4088 it gets better… feel free to shoot me a message if you ever want somebody to talk to
@TheNotoriousNemo
@TheNotoriousNemo 2 жыл бұрын
@@evilreborn4088 life can get better, i talked to a therapist who helped me along with medication. Best of wishes, there are some people who have a tougher life.
@electricsoup7481
@electricsoup7481 2 жыл бұрын
I concur bullying is not taken seriously in school. Students and teachers bullied me. It wasn't until after graduation and away from that environment that I started to thrive. God help anyone who bullies my children. They will unleash hell.
@kellie5476
@kellie5476 2 жыл бұрын
The growth of this channel is unbelievable but at the same time, completely deserved.
@justwowmanplays2941
@justwowmanplays2941 2 жыл бұрын
Love watching the growth. Top 3 fav crime channels right here.
@winrykate7773
@winrykate7773 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. This is a favorite of mine and it’s lovely to listen to. I like his voice, it’s very calming.
@justwowmanplays2941
@justwowmanplays2941 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelpipkin9942 Oh, but it's not. 😁
@robertwilliams2309
@robertwilliams2309 2 жыл бұрын
Mrballen,coffeehouse and dudeyrhino😎… But yeah,i thought it was just yesterday Adrian only had like 560k. Props to him
@dalef.928
@dalef.928 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelpipkin9942 can't stand the voice in That Chapter. Creepy
@hjhsalmalatiff3294
@hjhsalmalatiff3294 3 ай бұрын
I like your kindness and sensitivity to those who perished in this senseless incident. It’s good that you suggest ways of getting to authorities to bring awareness. Keep up your excellent work Adrian.
@jessik2637
@jessik2637 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who is from Jokela, this was a hard video to get through. How media handled this incident when it happened was horrendous, so I was quite hesitant to watch this video. Thank you for being respectful with this topic!
@DarkPsychoMessiah
@DarkPsychoMessiah 2 жыл бұрын
How did Finnish media handle it?
@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368
@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 2 жыл бұрын
Why do Finnish people speak and write English better than most westerners?
@Tsuppadui
@Tsuppadui 2 жыл бұрын
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 It's the great education system mentioned in the video. 😂
@jessik2637
@jessik2637 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarkPsychoMessiah Reporters were approaching the high schoolers while the situation was still ongoing. The minors were trying to get to safety and to the medics but the reporters would block them and ask invasive questions. Weeks after the incident kids in the area were approached by media and asked inappropriate questions. I lived in the same neighborhood as the assailant and was questioned multiple times by reporters (I was 8 years old at the time). Also most of the medias focus was on the gruesome details of the event and the shooters private life/ ideology. He was the main focus and became almost like a celebrity. Later on his actions inspired another school shooting, about a year later. Since then Finnish media has condemned their actions and especially how they approached the minors.
@cesarincamendozaloyola4407
@cesarincamendozaloyola4407 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, that sounds gruesome and tragic.
@avokaado
@avokaado 2 жыл бұрын
As someone from Finland I never thought that anyone outside of Finland would cover this. Thank you so much for this video, this case was really something that shocked the whole country.
@nikobellic570
@nikobellic570 2 жыл бұрын
It was headline news in the UK. I remember watching it reported on TV and being surprised that some European countries have relaxed gun laws. I thought only America did that.
@avokaado
@avokaado 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikobellic570 thankfully the gun laws got hardet to get after this happened. Few years ago here was another school attack but it was done with machete or other knife kinda thing. Really makes everyone wonder that how can this be the happiest country in the world when students suffer that much.
@NellaWasHere
@NellaWasHere 2 жыл бұрын
@@avokaado This was around 15 years ago tho and Finland has been the happiest country in the world for the past 4 years now, things have clearly been changing for the better I'd say. Proper gun laws, easy access to healthcare (including mental help), social safety nets and so on definitely lower the amount of crimes being committed, on top of our jail system being based on rehabilitation instead of just punishment which lowers the chances of redoing crimes by a huge margin. Wish we could do something about the insane amount of alcoholics (which is around 400 000 finns), since that is one of the biggest leading causes for stabbings and other crimes here.
@Deep-dive-hustle
@Deep-dive-hustle 2 жыл бұрын
@@avokaado I think your government is culpable, the supposed happiest country in the world now wants to join a millitary alliance against their neighbor,who will be parking and deploying nuclear weapons to their borders. Seems your government is inexperienced
@nyx2903
@nyx2903 2 жыл бұрын
You by the way have to be careful when interacting with internet "psychopaths". Like 15 years ago, before Facebook, I was an admin in a gaming and anime community. There I at some point got a report regarding a 28 year old dude, harrassing a 13 year old girl. I contacted the girl and she confirmed the whole story. Apparantly she didn't know his age, they met and she literally left before he could even great her. But she said that he bothers her with private messages (which she allowed me to check) and that he calles her and her family (even the grand parents) frequently to get her on the phone. She said her parents alreaddy went to the police to report that guy, but nothing ever came of it. Seing him being active in my forum I felt like it's my responsibility to step in. My forum was there so people could find others with similiar interests, and so people can discuss their favorite games, anime and more or less every other topic they like. It was not meant as a hunting ground for potential pedophiles. So I contacted the guy, told him that a friend of hers told me what's going on, that I remove his ability to write messages to others and that I block him from every topic (sub-forum) that's mainly used for people to make new friendhsips.. like the spam-forum, the forum games.. forum.. and all that kind of stuff. I had nothing that I could show the police, exept some private messages. So that's what felt right at the moment. Banning him was also an option, but then he could have just created a new account without me noticing, so I didn't do that. Instead I did what I wrote before and made clear to him, that I keep an eye on him and that he will get in trouble with me, should his questionable behaviour continue. As a result he, for some odd reason, tried to convince me that she loves him. He even created a website about their relationship, a website that straight up looked like something a private investogator or serial killer would put on their wall. It was full of screenshots of messages, followed by him noting his interpretation of said messages, followed by red lines leading to more chat messages and so on. I told him that he just convinced me that he is a potential danger for others, and I even reported that website to the police. Then I became his targed. All of the sudden my phone gang every few minutes, for days. He called me, my uncle, my grand parents.. basically everyone I share a surname with. He demanded them to make me talk to him, sometimes discuised himself as a telemarketer and it went on for days. At this point I was really worried aboout my families safety. I went to the police again, and the police told me that they can't do anything about it. After a week or so I was in the german equivalent of a high school. We were talking about the internet and I just brought this topic up, asking if anyone had an idea what to do. My teacher obviously said I should talk to the police. But, and I am very grateful for that, three of my class mates talked to me after school and they offered that we go and visit this guy in real life, to scare him off. I had his phone number and it was no issue to get his adress from there. In the end, the four of us drove to that guy and rang on his door. Once I told him who I am he immediatelly tried to close the door, but my class mate pushed against the door, holding it open. Then they basically told him that this is just a warning, and that they will come back if he won't stop harrassing that 13 year old girl and my family. I did not hear of him again, and he did not log in to my forum after that day. It was not the best solution, but I'm still grateful to my class mates. I was really worried about the safety of my family at the time. I've seen first hand how fast they can shift their attention from their previous victim to someone they percieve as a threat.
@user-gs8jv4oq6w
@user-gs8jv4oq6w 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this was a good read.
@USERWASBANNED
@USERWASBANNED 2 жыл бұрын
holy based
@mrpussinboots4252
@mrpussinboots4252 2 жыл бұрын
That's a likely story..
@USERWASBANNED
@USERWASBANNED 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrpussinboots4252 I don't see why he'd spend all that time making up such a convoluted story for 40 Google Credits, might be wrong though lol
@satanictrees8497
@satanictrees8497 2 жыл бұрын
Gang shit 🤘🏽🤘🏽
@gishjalmr5628
@gishjalmr5628 2 жыл бұрын
His misuse of the antidepressants probably made his mental state much worse. Those medications must be tapered up and down or else there can be serious problems.
@olserknam
@olserknam 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine failing your suicide, laying on the cold floor and slowly dying for two hours. The overwhelming pain, the feeling of failure, the frustrating knowledge that he still had a lot of ammunition left lying around right next to him and could've continue his spree if he was smarter, the reality around him slowly starting to lose cohesion and becoming more like a fever nightmare, regretting every decision he's ever made, begging for this torture to be over. Lots of school shooters manage to kill themselves quickly and not suffer much, but I think it's safe to say Eric got his karmic punishment.
@pettyprincess028
@pettyprincess028 2 жыл бұрын
This is so cathartic, thank you for this
@pankunath1813
@pankunath1813 2 жыл бұрын
Pekka did not deserve it , he was a victim.
@OhanaLulu
@OhanaLulu 2 жыл бұрын
A victim of whom?
@casper-kn1cb
@casper-kn1cb 2 жыл бұрын
@@OhanaLulu his environment
@shakirhenderson5629
@shakirhenderson5629 2 жыл бұрын
Dylan Klebold who was one of the duo columbine shooters didn’t die quickly either like his buddy Eric Harris did. He drowned and choked on his own blood for over a minute after shooting himself. Karma never fails to forget…
@fookustudios3279
@fookustudios3279 2 жыл бұрын
"Eric learned he lost his online girlfriend to another online man" - Okay that made me laugh.
@Inglott
@Inglott 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's important to point out that being shy, reserved, or unsociable does not mean you're a psychopath, or will be one. It's one of the reasons shy or reserved people are bullied or picked on, because people brand them as such. Some shy or reserved people have trust issues, some are worried they will make themselves look stupid, and sure, some cannot relate to people very well. It does not mean they are psychopaths. Einstein was reserved - was he a psychopath? Psychopaths come with many faces. If we knew how to spot a psychopath, these types of things would probably never happen.
@nikolais6452
@nikolais6452 2 жыл бұрын
i used to be called a psychopath when i was young, and i struggled with people. They called me a school shooter and such. I used to believe I was a psychopath because i liked watching videos of people dying with no shame or guilt. Turns out i'm autistic, discovered at the age of 18, and I struggle to feel empathy for others because of it.
@detritus3676
@detritus3676 2 жыл бұрын
Bro if you enjoy watching people getting killed then maybe they’re right 💀
@flm8580
@flm8580 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikolais6452 I'm also autistic yet I understand why people would react a certain way. That's empathy enough. I'm fully capable of understanding emotions. I don't get stuck in it but I'm smart enough to mask my social issues and blend in pretty well. You and a lotta people on the spectrum is just making excuses cuz you're fixated on a certain way of life. It's not autism that's making you an outcast but your lack of skills to connect to people. I had to bite my tongue and be patient with people even tho it's incredibly boring and I don't find it enjoyable. Because we live in a society. That's what's expected of us individuals. No one will teach you how to live life. You observe and learn. Don't be stingy with your mind space that you keep for only your hobbies, your likes and dislikes, you theory of the world. Be more open and nothing will be a problem. I've done it so far and it works out pretty well. I am as normal as anyone out there. This is how you survive. I don't have depression, a feeling of being ostracized, no painful past nor bullying. My life is great. Why? Cuz I worked for my happiness. Disciplining myself instead of making excuses and sulking at the world is what brought me freedom from the shackles of this world. That's the truth whether you're ready to hear it or not.
@WATCH.ME.DIE.
@WATCH.ME.DIE. 2 жыл бұрын
​@@nikolais6452 - It's a complete myth that people with Autism aren't empathetic . We are very empathetic, we just don't often recognise the empathy immediately. Conflating that with the complete lack of empathy of a psychopath is very ignorant.
@scee8474
@scee8474 2 жыл бұрын
@@WATCH.ME.DIE. he said HE struggles with it because of it. Your struggles aren’t going to speak for everyone and it’s weird to act like it does. There have been plenty of studies that show a connect between empathy and autism and it’s a struggle for many people. Consider yourself lucky since you clearly don’t have that issue but to act like it doesn’t exist is ignorant, although I’m not surprised with people on the internet these days
@jessicahoskins8606
@jessicahoskins8606 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy listening to stories from different parts of the world. I never heard of this case before. Thank you for this awesome channel
@emily.g.929
@emily.g.929 2 жыл бұрын
This is a small thing but, thank you for emphasizing that being inconsistent and turbulent when taking SSRIs and antidepressants can cause pretty severe problems. Consistency and time is necessary to really evaluate whether a medication like these actually works and is effective.
@KittyKatt_Luna80s
@KittyKatt_Luna80s 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@icummins1806
@icummins1806 2 жыл бұрын
Look up killers and ssris
@LuluTheCorgi
@LuluTheCorgi 2 жыл бұрын
@@jtsroll this. I turned into an insanely angry person with zero empathy on SSRIs, no other emotions. I'd get angry and yell at the smallest shit Scared the shit out of me glad I'm not on them anymore. I'd rather continue having crippling depression and anxiety rather than going on SSRIs again
@emily.g.929
@emily.g.929 2 жыл бұрын
@@jtsroll sounds like it’s not the right one for you. There’s tons of different kind and you have to find one that works with your brain. Idk why you wouldn’t tell a psychiatric doctor about the side effects you were having
@GCKMimi
@GCKMimi 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've been on SSRIs since 2011, and if I miss a dose or two, I feel awful! My mental health starts to deteriorate, and that's just one or two missed pills. That said, I'm fortunate that my medication is what works for me. I have friends who did not do well on it. It's very important to find a medication that works and be honest with the doctor treating you.
@187mrsmith
@187mrsmith 2 жыл бұрын
Who else randomly came across this channel one day and now can't stop watching his videos!
@gershonford3513
@gershonford3513 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah for sure
@sourgreendolly7685
@sourgreendolly7685 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how I find every channel lol
@tobiyournegroguy7538
@tobiyournegroguy7538 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not even subbed but I stay watching these 😭 I should really sub
@attoboi9763
@attoboi9763 2 жыл бұрын
Got "lucky" and found him after his second video, waiting weekly sucks :( no bingeing
@justjenny581
@justjenny581 2 жыл бұрын
🙋
@mountaindreams2392
@mountaindreams2392 2 жыл бұрын
Both my older brother and my boyfriend live in Finland so was really interesting seeing a case coming from there. Its a shame no one took the warning signs seriously, but unfortunately people can kinda say and do what they want on the internet...most never actually go through with any of it but sadly a few do and we end up with situations like this.
@mememefinally
@mememefinally 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it took two mass shootings in Finland before they started taking these online threats and warning signs seriously.
@amoreanissa1337
@amoreanissa1337 Жыл бұрын
Bullying really needs to be taken seriously and there should be some sorts of repercussions for bullies. I’ve just realised how many of these mass murderers were victims of bullying growing up. Parents need to teach their kids not to be bullies, bullying has ruined too many lives and yet still not seem to be taken seriously. RIP to the victims 😢
@bitcoinfandom
@bitcoinfandom Жыл бұрын
I agree. Of course the bullies aren't the murderers here, but in my opinion, they are guilty as well.
@johnroberts1873
@johnroberts1873 Жыл бұрын
💯
@jeankevin626
@jeankevin626 10 ай бұрын
Nah Go Cry About It You Gonna Do Nothing 😂
@ileolai
@ileolai 10 ай бұрын
most kids who get bullied don't become a nazi about it. he chose to be what he was.
@Authorised-q5s
@Authorised-q5s 10 ай бұрын
Notice many of them are cute as well ?! Bullies bully different & when you are cute/sexy on top of that, it brings more degenerate in your space. They will try to push you to this point. I say fk them 🙂
@tiduswhiteblade8535
@tiduswhiteblade8535 2 жыл бұрын
Ya know, you make this point in almost all of your videos, about how the victims woke up that day not knowing it would be their last, and it hits home every single time you say it. I can’t imagine having my life ended so abruptly and unexpectedly. Truly heartbreaking for the innocent victims, and a strong reminder to everyone that every day is precious. It really could end just like that. Much love to the families of the victims.
@hdofu
@hdofu Жыл бұрын
You should always live your life as if the next breath could be your last.
@sirsnufflepuff
@sirsnufflepuff 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this. I've been subscribed for a while now, but didn't think you would ever cover any cases from Finland (although I think there are quite a few interesting ones, both unsolved and solved). Whenever I hear about Jokela, it still hits me hard, because back in the day I was unfortunate enough to have my first boyfriend be a guy who idolized Pekka-Eric Auvinen and was a very potential school shooter. I visited him a couple of days after the Jokela shooting, and this creep had built an altar in his bedroom for Auvinen, complete with a framed photo, lit candles and a cross. He also proudly showed me his (or more likely his dad's) gun that day and ranted for a long time about how Auvinen was in the right and how "undeserving people" should die. Like Auvinen, he had also been bullied at school, his family was poor and he had failed to get into high school, so he was extremely bitter, angry and jealous of his peers. I guess he related with Auvinen and his manifesto. At the time, we had been dating for something like 3 months, but I knew him from middle school (we used to be classmates) and back then he was always the shy kid, had never acted violent and had seemed pretty harmless. Looking back, though, he was a very insecure and jealous boyfriend from the beginning, I wish I had realized that faster. I felt extremely uncomfortable by these views of his and wanted to end the relationship but I was too scared of what he would do if I did. His anger towards other people, especially his more successful peers, only grew in the following months and he eventually started to show signs of paranoia and some kind of mania as well, becoming more and more erratic, irrational and quick to anger, going on long rants about how he wanted to kill and torture the people who he thought had wronged him etc. He even started to throw angry remarks at me because I was succeeding at my studies and he would constantly accuse me of cheating on him if I was spending time with my friends. When I finally got the courage to end the relationship couple months later, he became violent and threatened to "come to my school, shoot everyone and slit the head teacher's throat" (who he thought had "unjustly denied" him a place at my high school - when the simple truth was that his grades just weren't good enough to get in). He stalked and harassed me for months after the breakup, and when I was taking my final exams, I was so scared that he would come to the school and shoot everyone while we were basically locked in the gymnasium like sitting ducks. I was sure he would follow in the footsteps of his idol, and I felt so guilty about breaking up with him because it felt like I was putting other people in greater danger. Thankfully, he never ended up doing anything, but the threat was very real and I feel like it was an extremely close call. I did think about reporting him to the authorities at the time, but since the local police did nothing when I told them about him being violent and stalking me after we broke up (they said it's just "puppy love" and "teenagers being dramatic"), I didn't feel like they would take me seriously about his school shooting threats either. I should have reported him anyway, though. If anyone reading this is in a similar situation that I was in, please report stuff like this to the police or other authorities as soon as safely possible. And stay safe, especially if you need to leave an abusive or otherwise potentially dangerous individual. It's better to be safe than sorry, better to report just in case than not report and hope nothing bad happens. edit: sorry about the initial wall of text, hacked it into smaller parts for readability.
@morticiaheisenberg9679
@morticiaheisenberg9679 2 жыл бұрын
Good advice for others. I am glad you left and that you are okay. People should never stay in abusive relationships of any kind.
@сиднипрескотт-щ3л
@сиднипрескотт-щ3л 2 жыл бұрын
How old is he?
@sirsnufflepuff
@sirsnufflepuff 2 жыл бұрын
@@сиднипрескотт-щ3л At the time when he made the threats he was 17 if I remember correctly, he should now be in his early 30's. Haven't really seen him since I graduated as I moved away, so I have no idea how his life has turned out since. I can only hope he has not hurt anyone, but based on my experiences people like that tend to hurt others in some way or another eventually.
@bkitteh6295
@bkitteh6295 2 жыл бұрын
You're a rock🌟 Thanks for taking the time to share with us. 🖐🏼🙋🏽‍♀️✌🏽
@chengcangelosi6418
@chengcangelosi6418 2 жыл бұрын
Parents should take interest in their children and be around them because when children are in the teenage years that's when they needed the parents most. I think that's the way to help with kids killing.
@pipfox7834
@pipfox7834 2 жыл бұрын
@Cheng Cangelosi unfortunately, most parents are flat out these days trying to keep a household afloat financially (inflation, cost of living expenses rising, mortgage interest rates going up you name it). Parents also need their own mental health breaks, time out from pressurized lives. Putting all the responsibility back onto parents when the world has gone BACKWARDS for family life in so many ways, in the last thirty years is not all that fair. Economic rationalism is pushing entire societies into mental health deadends. What is the answer? Not laws, and not underfunded, poorly serviced mental health services it looks like. Legislating for better behaviour is a non-starter, quite impractical. What else then? Rudolph Steiner and Carl Jung are a good place to start. You can find their ideas on youtube, and summaries of their practical philosophies are described on wikipedia, if you look up those names there.
@pipfox7834
@pipfox7834 2 жыл бұрын
both Steiner and Jung advocated for spending time in nature like walking, swimming, hiking, any kind of non mechanised outdoor activity that invites physical engagement. Nature itself has a healing effect on people, I and thousands of other adults got through our difficult teen years this way. We are over urbanised, we live in our heads far too much, and not in our bodies. You can see that when gamers play for 48 hours and drop dead because they didn't eat or drink anything. We were given bodies for a purpose, to help BALANCE our minds. If you don't have the money to buy the gear you decide you need to ''do the outdoors'', get some training in garden maintenance, tree surgery, topiary work, whatever - and get paid to be outside in nature as a day job. I did it in my university holidays and whenever i was between jobs, its a great antidote to being inside too much - especially in the colder months of the year when everything can get a bit grey and depressing. Anyway, he tools are there for us to FIX OURSELVES, that's all i am saying. Why wait for a place in a mental health queue? Just do it.
@chengcangelosi6418
@chengcangelosi6418 2 жыл бұрын
My dear people, what I am trying to say is very simple, it is this - make sure you really want this kid that you are about to make, just don't have kids just to have them, it is not fair to the kids because when they needed you most especially men you are not there for them. And guess what men you run away just to make the same mistake with another woman.
@nathansolbach6523
@nathansolbach6523 Жыл бұрын
He was prone to blushing when embarrassed??? What a monster!
@mynameisnothere9465
@mynameisnothere9465 2 жыл бұрын
Holy moly, I apparently had failed to look at your subscriber count for a long time now, because I just caught it and my jaw dropped. Almost a million and well deserved!
@whaddyaa
@whaddyaa 2 жыл бұрын
A couple of years later the Finnish police actually opened a service called "Nettivinkki". I don't know if Jokela and the school shooting in Kauhajoki (which was really similar to Jokela) had to do with it, but Nettivinkki is meant specifically to inform on suspicious stuff on the internet, when calling 112 might feel like overreacting. If the service was opened earlier it might have saved the lives of the victims of both shootings.
@lwolfstar7618
@lwolfstar7618 2 жыл бұрын
Im glad to hear they took measures to make it easier for people to contact authorities and hopefully prevent things like this happening again
@patrickmcpartland1398
@patrickmcpartland1398 2 жыл бұрын
It was 2007, Facebook had been out for like a year, no one was ready for everyone to have access to social media like that, yet alone the kids.
@ofkonrad
@ofkonrad 2 жыл бұрын
dude this video was my absolute favorite of yours so far!!! you genuinely restored my passion for my long lost ideas to create youtube content. you continuously keep bringing quality content with empathy and respect towards the victims and (some of) the attackers. coming from a lifelong murder and crime fan. i assume you script your videos and hats off because you can express yourself very articulately. i think you have a bright future ahead and you're already doing great c:
@momsmushroomsjodyfoster5786
@momsmushroomsjodyfoster5786 Жыл бұрын
You've become my favorite storyteller. I love your reading style because it's easy to follow and punctuated just right
@indiwalter1563
@indiwalter1563 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how you address both the perpetrator and the victims in your videos. It's a refreshingly balanced take on things like this, without the sensationalism and deep focus on the awful things. I hope you do this for a long time; this is my favorite True Crime channel and your care makes a huge difference.
@lakobause
@lakobause 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like “KZbinr to murderer” is becoming a more common theme on your KZbin channel. Adrian, are…are you trying to tell us something?
@eaauto6182
@eaauto6182 2 жыл бұрын
You watch too many of these videos
@flm8580
@flm8580 2 жыл бұрын
@@eaauto6182 you're adrian
@BasedKungFu
@BasedKungFu 2 жыл бұрын
"the signs were there"
@jonslg240
@jonslg240 2 жыл бұрын
He never even mentions how badly bullied this kid was in this "liberal utopia". Propaganda is so sad. It basically invalidates victims and even the idea of a victim. Everyone should just be happy in "the utopia". Anyone who isn't is the devil. Anyone else is an angel. It eliminates the identities of good and horrible alike. Instead, your only identity is literally how much "the system" likes you. Even hitler was a far left social idealogist and idealist, and he and his govt only cared about "the system" It's hilarious to me how African Americans say they hate the system in my country, however all they vote for is "the system" party instead of the party of individual responsibility for their own actions. *If you gave the "Trolley Problem" to socialists and put 999,999 people on one track and 1,000,000 people on the other track - they would choose 999,999 every time.. unless the 1mil track had successful people. Then they'd choose the track with 1,000,000 "because what gives THEM the RIGHT to be better than average???"*
@findthebox8623
@findthebox8623 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonslg240 you are not going to kill someone are you? "The warning signs where there. Bro we are just people like struggling to survive this miserable existence. It's important to have empathy and understand that other people are just like you trying to figure shit out. They don't know any more than you do. Humanity in itself is a cruel existence but it was all we were given
@jaakkosaha5787
@jaakkosaha5787 2 жыл бұрын
Nice report. Very thorough. As a Finn myself, I've looked into this case and there aren't many details you missed.
@protector22222
@protector22222 Жыл бұрын
I just found your channel you do a phenomenal job of covering the information without prejudice
@denisemorgan2111
@denisemorgan2111 2 жыл бұрын
Once again a brilliantly told, tragic story. One I had never heard of. Thank you, Adrian you always do such an amazing, balanced perspective on the crime. I look forward to celebrating a million subscribers to your channel.
@lodnisroub
@lodnisroub 2 жыл бұрын
Glorification of narcissism and sociopathy. My nightmare, his dream world. I cannot imagine a world when only those "chosen 6%" survive actually surviving.
@worlddomination92
@worlddomination92 2 жыл бұрын
I imagine if they all got their wish, they would end up destroying each other in an attempt to "build a world in their image". They are so arrogant and self-indulgent if they were all left alone, I doubt they could get along enough to build a house, let alone a community. There would be no humans left.
@GrowthMindset00
@GrowthMindset00 2 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand how my origins can be so similar to these people, while my mindset is so drastically different. I think the difference is my parents. They recognized my issues early on, and helped me to understand that, yes, people will think I'm weird, but that doesn't matter because I love myself. They made me feel like it's okay to be alone because I just need to become better, and sometimes you have to grow alone because you're too toxic to be around others. I saw what was wrong with me, and have spent years now working against my own programming, to improve myself. I knew I'd never be accepted as "normal" but if I dedicate myself to my grind, it won't matter if I'm normal, because I will be by my own version of it. I am so thankful for my parents helping me when they could and always being there to listen to me. Even when I would say crazy shit like I hate the world and want to watch it all burn. They'd talk to me. Ask me why, make me realize how stupid I was by not giving up on me. If it wasn't for them, I don't think I'd be any different from these guys. Part of me was scared by that realization, but another part of me thinks maybe I can help others like me. People who hate the world because they don't understand it and are not understood by it. I am so thankful my parents never gave up on me. If it wasn't for the love shown to me growing up, idk where I would be, but I want to pay it back. I don't know how yet, but I'm going to figure it out. How to help others like me to rehabilitate.
@lindasmith4435
@lindasmith4435 Жыл бұрын
Well done. It's difficult when you feel isolated to love yourself. And Kudos to your parents
@hensoakira
@hensoakira Жыл бұрын
Hm.
@AutomaticDuck300
@AutomaticDuck300 Жыл бұрын
You’re an inspiration to the outcasts. Thankfully you had good parents.
@Dialgatrainer1
@Dialgatrainer1 Жыл бұрын
This is something which I can never wrap my head around; From the state of Kerala, India, it never made any sense that you gotta wait in queues to get highly time-sensitive needs like medical help.
@nikitamishra5075
@nikitamishra5075 Жыл бұрын
chettan, come to mysuru 😂
@peachiep2734
@peachiep2734 2 жыл бұрын
Adrian..your voice is so soothing which really helps when hearing the details of disturbing crimes...I love this channel.
@kimshinshiro
@kimshinshiro 2 жыл бұрын
Had to take a double-take on the title, never thought a finnish case would be on your channel but I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for making this video! I appreciate the hard work.
@cassiem3893
@cassiem3893 2 жыл бұрын
Man, people need to stop bullying!! How many stories have we heard that start out like this? That the perpetrator was bullied mercilessly from a young age! Nothing can or will ever excuse murder, but seriously! Let’s take bullying more seriously. I bet it would make a difference.
@blindpilot3849
@blindpilot3849 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Can't wrap my head around why bullies still exist after dozens of these very similar stories all around the world! Perhaps it should be made mandatory for all schools to show a few of these video's and have these anti-bullying lessons every year.
@zebnemma
@zebnemma 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I think it's a combination of first being bullied and then also becoming more and more isolated that can cause individuals to develop some very antisocial or even hatred for humanity. And if that goes on for too long they might act on those thoughts. It's like a "individual not embraced by the village will burn the village down to feel it's warmth" scenario. If they had atleast one friend they could unwind with I think that's usually enough to make them not go completely batshit from constant isolation. I was in that guys shoes myself and I can say from experience that the more isolated you feel you will over time start to go crazy. And there was times where I had zero friends and those are the times where your mental health just tanks into oblivion and dark sinister thoughts swirl around in the head. Having a friend to get your thoughts to a more positive place is very important. But having friends that also share those extremist views is just gonna make things worse for everyone involved so just to clarify: Friends that encourages hope and your positive traits = good, friends that encourages your hatred and bad traits = bad. That's why I think it's so common to hear that when a guy goes and does something like this it's almost always mentioned that he was part of some social media where people encouraged it. Extremist sites or such. They think those people are their friends but a true friend would not want you to keep suffering by promoting a doomist view of life and instead try to help.
@oliveryt7168
@oliveryt7168 2 жыл бұрын
Bullying, broken families, drugs... and down goes the spiral.....
@markblaze4909
@markblaze4909 6 ай бұрын
It’s not the bulling. It’s the response to the bullying due to the way society teaches people to over react be professional Victims traumatized and overly emotional. It’s because these kids don’t have good strong fathers. And there are too many femine crap in the world.
@QueenPea
@QueenPea 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing Adrian! Rest in peace to the innocent lives lost! Comfort to the families! 🙏
@whaddyaa
@whaddyaa 2 жыл бұрын
Omg I didn't even read the title before I opened this, thank you for doing a Finnish case! Jokela was the second school shooting ever in Finland and it was almost 20 years since the first one, so it was really devastating and really affected our feeling of security. I was in middle school at the time and lived maybe 20 km away.
@whaddyaa
@whaddyaa 2 жыл бұрын
And sadly, even though this case raised the discussion about mental health care, we haven't really gotten very far in 15 years and getting adequate mental health care is still hard.
@Whigu
@Whigu 2 жыл бұрын
Sad thing is that mental healthcare is still not as good as it should be in a country which is said to be happiest country in the world and proud of it's healthcare :-( Most people don't get help even if they try to get it until it's too late for them or other peoples.
@jennaeveliina313
@jennaeveliina313 2 жыл бұрын
No, its not as good as it should but its still better than almost anywhere else. If he wouldve committed to his treatment and taken the medication he was suppost to take, who knows how things wouldve turned up.
@jesscorner6381
@jesscorner6381 2 жыл бұрын
@jibjones123 and even if you have money and health insurance you’re still so limited
@Initium1000
@Initium1000 2 жыл бұрын
@jibjones123 I lost my job and the US gave me Medicaid almost immediately with my former PCP. I also needed a therapist at the time and didn't have to wait months in a queue like the guy in the video would have. I think the healthcare argument is done in the US especially when you compare the quality of care in the US to other countries. It's the US that develops specialty medications, vaccines and surgeries - way ahead of the rest of the world, so for some; money is the mother of invention. I agree with you about the prisons in the US
@baldeagle5297
@baldeagle5297 2 жыл бұрын
@jibjones123 It is not that hard to get medical care in the U.S. If you are not able to pay, many hospitals will treat you and not charge you. As a retired person living on a fixed income, I have personal experience with this. I have Medicare, and when I was diagnosed with cancer, they waived any fees not covered by it.
@czarowen
@czarowen 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't grab a coffee, but I did grab a tea. I hope I'm still allowed to sit back and hear the case!
@obscureogre4547
@obscureogre4547 2 жыл бұрын
Tea is much better anyway. I don't drink coffee and I've been here forever 👀 don't tell on me
@Lucy-ug8qg
@Lucy-ug8qg 2 жыл бұрын
No, you have to leave now sorry 😂😂
@Baysidemom2
@Baysidemom2 2 жыл бұрын
haha I always think that, I hate coffee and usually drink a Coke while watching... it's still caffeine right?😂
@czarowen
@czarowen 2 жыл бұрын
@@obscureogre4547 secret is safe with me!
@Lady_Chalk
@Lady_Chalk 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I gotta alcoholic lemonade here.
@renatacuriosa
@renatacuriosa Жыл бұрын
As a parent I’d say, never let you child completely isolated . Keep talking, keep conversations, communication is important from early age. You might detect signs and help your child vent his issues. Clearly this kid was struggling alone. Sending a kid to a psychiatrist a drugging him doesn’t solve problems.
@teukka623
@teukka623 Жыл бұрын
It does help. and they did say that they tried to help him themselves after they couldn’t get therapy
@mekabare
@mekabare Жыл бұрын
Taking antidepressants isn’t “drugging” kids, stop spreading these false narratives.
@Macop
@Macop Жыл бұрын
And how exactly would they go about doing it, if they’ve tried to do everything in their power already? Perhaps the parents didn’t think it would escalate to this extent. Majority of kids that isolate themselves end up fine in the end. The issue here was that someone was more mentally unstable than anyone expected, and unfortunately didn’t recieve the help they needed in time. Blaming the parents is not the way to go. Finding solution for more efficient queue for therapy is far better alternative.
@Qsen123
@Qsen123 11 ай бұрын
@@mekabare antidepressants work on less than half the people theyre prescribed to, also their users are massively overrepresented in mass murders which makes complete sense
@markblaze4909
@markblaze4909 6 ай бұрын
They need a strong male figure. That encourages masculinity and strength so they don’t cry about stupid crap and become victims like some girl .
@jinxedfate
@jinxedfate 2 жыл бұрын
hi adrian!! there's a case that happened in my home country, the case of Alexandra Macesanu in Caracal, Romania. her case shook the entire country & i think it would be good to bring awareness of it to the world, and you're the one that presents these cases the best
@kvdrr
@kvdrr 2 жыл бұрын
Caracal!! :3
@bettinastebner
@bettinastebner 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for telling this story and, more importantly, addressing what can be done to notify authorities. Just 2 wks ago, my daughter overheard 2 boys talking about an IG account where a bullied person was going to shoot up the school. We contacted the local PD and they thanked her for the info. The police had already been notified of a potential threat & were investigating. The IG account was subsequently shut down & the situation de-escalated. Very scary. It can happen anywhere. 🇨🇦
@raitos9770
@raitos9770 2 жыл бұрын
I’m loving the frequent uploads! And it’s always when I rly feel like listening to something new it pops up. Keep up the great work!
@Ultimateman
@Ultimateman 10 ай бұрын
Our whole country was shocked when this happened.
@joslyndove
@joslyndove 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for focusing on crime and injustice across the world. Especially providing a way for others to help. You’re doing your part and I appreciate that so much.
@Jamesssssssssssssss
@Jamesssssssssssssss 2 жыл бұрын
SSRIs really have helped me get out of some dark places. But missing a day or two really makes you feel ill. It's shitty how even in Finland being weren't taking mental health as seriously as they should
@Kippycube
@Kippycube 2 жыл бұрын
As a Finn this was an interesting watch, I remember when this happened and it was only one town over from where I lived back then. You covered this sad case very well, showing material that I hadn’t seen before. Sadly, another school shooting would take place in Finland a year later after this one, I think the shooter had admired Auvinen, too.
@madmax6487
@madmax6487 2 жыл бұрын
Was that the one with the guy in costume and people in school initially took photos with him? Think it was a black mask, ww2 army helmet and he had a sword of something.
@hivemind4647
@hivemind4647 2 жыл бұрын
@@madmax6487 No that happened in Sweden. He stabbed three people with a sword and the police shot him dead later.
@joeking3333
@joeking3333 2 жыл бұрын
@@hivemind4647 ow. Ok guess that's why he had the sword then. What was his reason for going to school and stabbing people with a sword? Seems a bit impracticable to use a sword over a knife.
@hivemind4647
@hivemind4647 2 жыл бұрын
@@joeking3333 If i remember correctly he did use a knife aswell. My guess he felt he was being more edgy with the sword. No pun intended.
@joeking3333
@joeking3333 2 жыл бұрын
@@hivemind4647 I see your point. No pun intended.
@adeadpoet4221
@adeadpoet4221 Жыл бұрын
Bullying certainly plays a part in shaping these people. There should be a worldwide movement against Bullying
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 4 ай бұрын
Even if there is the incompetent teachers and school principals would be too lazy to do their jobs unless someone has visible wounds.
@coopersmom8339
@coopersmom8339 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Adrian, your sensitivity and integrity shins out of your narration! You never forgot the victims and their lives. Great work. Thank you.
@TheDramacist
@TheDramacist 2 жыл бұрын
When you actively miss doses of your medication, it's called MISuse, not ABuse. We also call it an intentional omission. Abuse is when a drug is used for reasons other than for what a dr has prescribed it for, in a way that could cause harm. E.g getting high. Misuse is when you fail to adhere to the medication regimen.
@pink_sock
@pink_sock 2 жыл бұрын
I love abusing my meds through neglect by refusing to take them on a consistent basis, inducing a foster childesque sense of mistrust in them.
@TheDramacist
@TheDramacist 2 жыл бұрын
@@pink_sock intentional omissions wont make you feel great
@pink_sock
@pink_sock 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDramacist It was a joke dude. I always take my Ativan, and they rarely view me as an unstable parental figure.
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, grammar police... you are making the world a better place. LOL
@pink_sock
@pink_sock 2 жыл бұрын
@@BatCaveOz Ok
@meokuhai
@meokuhai 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being so sensitive when addressing this topic, us mentally ill people are more likely to be victims than abusers or killers, plus many of us are minorities. The true danger signal is deeming other humans as less, not believing in their rights and idealizing horrible people.
@sealsbirds9685
@sealsbirds9685 2 жыл бұрын
When your rights arent respected its hard to respect others
@littlewhimsi
@littlewhimsi Жыл бұрын
i really appreciate that you put advice on what to look out for/what to do if we see red flags similar to this
@mmnde12
@mmnde12 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing this gave me shivers. I used to live right next to the town where this happened. I still remember that school day.
@LallaKos
@LallaKos 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering this case from my home country. This really shocked the whole country as it was never expected that something like this would happen here. And year later we had another school shooting. Hopefully never again.
@Yumie404
@Yumie404 2 жыл бұрын
I sound like every Finnish person in this comment section but I was surprised to see this as a Finnish person. It hasn't been brought up pretty much anywhere outside of our own country. Remember the case well when it happened since I was in (our equivalent of) junior high back then. Appreciate this being brought up, thank you!
@sera_nelle
@sera_nelle Жыл бұрын
I wont say it's nice to see a case from Finland, my home country, because it's a horrible case. But it is nice to see things from my country being talked about in general. Thanks for a good video, as always 😊
@ElvinGonzalez
@ElvinGonzalez 2 жыл бұрын
"and seems to play a lot of Battlefield too... back when the series was good" You got me there 🤣
@Amysbiblereads
@Amysbiblereads 2 жыл бұрын
Just realising a week today I’ll be watching coffeehouse crime with my newborn son in hospital 😭❤️ you’ve been consistent in my pregnancy Adrian! Thank you xx
@shamikeatley4760
@shamikeatley4760 2 жыл бұрын
~congratulations to u & urs..!!🧸🦕👶
@SamS-uv2ql
@SamS-uv2ql 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Hope everything goes well 😀
@SamS-uv2ql
@SamS-uv2ql 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmnde12 I think she means she is going to have given birth!
@thaithai9559
@thaithai9559 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats 🎉
@CoffeehouseCrime
@CoffeehouseCrime 2 жыл бұрын
Exciting times, I wish you and your baby all the best! 🎉 Give yourself some well deserved rest, see you in another video real soon!
@mikalaiho
@mikalaiho 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh, the town (Jokela) is pronounced “yoh-keh-lah” but this video is EXACTLY how I’d hoped you’d create it… …loved how you’d recreated the mundane yet happy stories of all those cool Finns doin’ their thang, and there are many shy Finns, too! It’s very rare, however, in spite of the sad stories from Finland in recent years, for teens to harbour sick fantasies of murdering his peers. Plus, your final points about the anonymity of users was clever, I never thought about that… in some ways, the tender balance between nature-society clashes with the Internet age in Finland, so worthy of investigating this further, too. So grateful for this video and can’t wait to see if you post anymore from the North. I thought the blue and white shirt worked well, btw. Keep it up, Adrian!✌🏼
@jeniellewhoknows7129
@jeniellewhoknows7129 Жыл бұрын
I found your channel a couple of weeks ago and you are definitely in my top 3 favourite go too true crime channels , i love how you spare a moment to just the victims , I don't really see that, that often on other channels
@Biggest_Cat_There_Ever_Was
@Biggest_Cat_There_Ever_Was 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic that he wanted To kill people he viewed as unworthy and ended up shooting himself
@GreatRaijin
@GreatRaijin 2 жыл бұрын
He, Himself was weak, and he knew it which is why he took his own life in the end, he spent years hiding behind a computer screen to vent, but in person was some shy dude who kept to himself, thats more ironic part of this entire situation
@henkaistudio
@henkaistudio 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreatRaijin He also probably also killed himself after he killed all those people and injured all those people too.
@ErnolDawnbringer
@ErnolDawnbringer 2 жыл бұрын
Poetic justice
@AD-cc7bj
@AD-cc7bj 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreatRaijin wow. you are a genius
@chefnelsonsbbq
@chefnelsonsbbq 2 жыл бұрын
"he slowly grew a deep fascination with violent, dark and mysterious content" My KZbin history FULL of true crime podcasts....👀
@16Fishwrap16
@16Fishwrap16 2 жыл бұрын
I think the only positive impact from this case is that the police now actively monitor the common internet forums (ylilauta (finnish 4chan), youtube, twitter and such) for people who are in risk of radicalization. What Pekka did surely broke the veil of safeness in Finland, his massacre was basically the first school killing event in Finland. I remember shortly after this happening there was a threat aimed at my school and all the students were evacuated for the day, the threat turned out to be fake though. Thank you for your video, it was very well constructed! I couldn't help but chuckle a little bit at your pronounciation of finnish places and names haha
@thedudeabides2531
@thedudeabides2531 2 жыл бұрын
These people who develop ideologies of "weeding out the weak" tend to be and feel weak themselves and are overcompensating to make up for it.
@shaunapapa8564
@shaunapapa8564 2 жыл бұрын
Your voice lessons are very apparent. You are doing awesome!! Absolutely LOVE your channel!!❤️🥰
@edanefelia9431
@edanefelia9431 2 жыл бұрын
What are voice lessons? I feel I need them possibly XD
@shaunapapa8564
@shaunapapa8564 2 жыл бұрын
@@edanefelia9431 he mentioned that he is taking lessons from a vocal coach. Basically what they do is help with your voice and pronunciation of words. I have never been to one so I don't know the extent of it.
@ZidaneTheTribal
@ZidaneTheTribal 2 жыл бұрын
"he played alot of battlefield back when series was good" I spit my drink, I did NOT expect such a truth from Adrian.
@meganchristensen3378
@meganchristensen3378 2 жыл бұрын
I DO so love your little "postcards" of each location. You lovingly craft such beautiful images (both video and in your voiceover) and are respectful to each place (which I really admire about your videos!), especially when it's in a location that might not be the most... popular of places. Thank you so much for all you do, and as a professional video editor, I must say; your editing is very strong! I love the simplicity (not a whole bunch of flashy stuff) and you know when and why to use fade to black, an abrupt cut, etc. to tell the story. I'm so glad I came across your channel a couple of months ago! :) Also- stay cool over there in the U.K. When I heard about the Luton airport tarmac crumbling b/c of the heat, I thought of you and some of my other friends across the pond.
@summerruby201
@summerruby201 Жыл бұрын
I have noticed something about individuals who are drawn to radical, racist ideology: these individuals lack self esteem, self worth, are or had been bullied, unpopular, suffer from depression or something else. So ,they seek out these wrong ideologies, I guess, as a way to not feel so negative about themselves.
@paperplane-db8qf
@paperplane-db8qf 4 ай бұрын
When normal average people alienate you it’s probably easy to belong in the extremities.
@cesarebachelli
@cesarebachelli 2 жыл бұрын
Damn bullies creating monster, yet again. Leave shy or different kid be. It should be mandatory for parents and schools to educate about bullying.
@redalbatross5649
@redalbatross5649 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this. I was in high school and this was so shocking it caused fear all over the schools in Finland. Atmosphere of anxiety was palpable in my high school. Then there was Kauhajoki shooting year after and I was so afraid this is going to happen every year now. But luckily gun laws were made stricter and school shooting this bad hasn't happened again.
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I remember this guy. The Amazing Atheist warned us about him, and got gaslighted by psychos that wanted to defend Auvinen's honor or something - days before he went on that killing spree.
@cristobalsepulveda9085
@cristobalsepulveda9085 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing Atheist 🤡🤡🤡
@TheAnthonyG.
@TheAnthonyG. 2 жыл бұрын
The only question I had was why wasn't that Amazing Atheist guy the one to alert the proper authorities about these warnings? He made a whole video telling other people of the warning signs he was seeing and how they should alert authorities but why didn't he bother to be the one to alert them?
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheAnthonyG. I wonder the same thing but I guess when you're up to your gills with death threats from gaslighting psychos, I think you'd have a lot on your mind about whether you wanna get involved or not. Also, I am not sure how much red tape you have to go through talking to "authorities" from a different country.
@cockandballtortureisfun1897
@cockandballtortureisfun1897 2 жыл бұрын
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 even if he does get in contact with local authorities in a different country what’s he gonna say this guys talking crazy on the internet like thousands of other people do on a daily basis lol like there’s not too much he could’ve done tbh
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319
@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 2 жыл бұрын
@@cockandballtortureisfun1897 Exactly. But alas, the angry virgins be like "He should have done something! If I were in his position I would totally do something!" Angry virgins are funny like that.
@morallybankrupt1461
@morallybankrupt1461 Жыл бұрын
You never cease to amaze me with the cases you find. I’m enthralled every time I watch.
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