Coil Vs Air Shocks - Why Did I Switch To Coil?

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[@btstucky]

Put the 11.6 on my SB6. It is so awesome I store my bike in front of the TV and watch my bike now.

[@mpct400]

Haha, just read this on my tv and my sb6 is directly below it. Still has the fox float x tho.

[@siglinde_raw199]

Same with my wreckoning

[@dfliedner]

That was funny!

[@offtrackfilms1]

Yes Awesome comment.!!!

[@benhess807]

And I'm sitting over here on my hardtail

[@natshenkin]

I'd rather ride my hardtail than be in the same category as the 45-year-old mid-life crisis dads that just spend 5k financing their downhill full sus they can barely ride.

[@benhess807]

100% agree

[@adonov1]

@@natshenkin or ride a older second hand model wich you only have to switch out the frame if you break it.. 🙄 Works fine for me tho

[@jckdnls9292]

That's why you can't have kids and your spine is shot

[@lrvz7187]

Get a chair dude 🤣🤣

[@Ordinarysortaguy]

When you say that coils take the same amount of force to compress through the whole travel that would mean that it would bottom out on sag alone. Both shock's spring rates get firmer the deeper you get into the travel but air shocks increase exponentially whereas coils increase at a constant rate.

[@seanwylie9]

He means that for every unit of travel it takes a certain amount of force to compress the shock to that travel (AKA spring rate). So 1 inch may take 400lbs then the second inch takes another 400lbs for a total of 800lbs to get to 2 inches of travel (and so on and so forth). An air shock has an increasing amount of force to compress the shock one unit of travel. For example an air shock may need 400lbs to compress the first inch of travel, then another 600lbs to compress the second inch of travel for a total of 1000lbs to compress the shock 2 inches. Hopefully that clears it up

[@grantwarden7848]

"Rate" means force/displacement. Because of that, the rate of a coil is essentially constant. Air shocks on the other hand have a generally increasing rate, so compressing the shock some distance at the end of the travel takes more force than compressing the shock the same amount at the beginning of the stroke.

[@leonemarazgalassi9568]

F(force applied)=k(coil constant)x(space)

[@DjxJt13]

Nice video and i think you sum it up really well. I have a Marzocchi Roco TST R ( coil shock from 2009 ) It's like brand new and as a climbing switch on it. I personally love it!

[@mlb6d9]

Enjoyed the vid with the laid back tunes in the BG. Recently switched from air to coil as well...

[@jckdnls9292]

Coil > Air - Walmart was ahead of its time.

[@abstraddic0442]

lol...................................wow yup

[@CarlosSanchez-cq1lf]

I spit my drink out... LMAO

[@bombsquadsendersunion2280]

Hahahahah

[@benfeatherstone1067]

dude, ive been looking to coil my altitude, perfect vid, cheers bro

[@bombsquadsendersunion2280]

I think I'm going to put one on my Altitude too!

[@KiwiInGermanyMTB]

Great video as usual. You should try the coil on the fork too. I don't even notice the extra weight, just extra traction and more confidence. Have a review of the Vorsprung smashpot on my channel

[@bombsquadsendersunion2280]

Awesome video. I need to put a coil on my Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay! I love the altitude!

[@jeandresmith8576]

agreed 100%. I am riding a Giant reign SX at the moment and my coil shock is amazing 😍😍 Definitely agree on that one 👌🔥

[@tjay_mac]

Thanks for the review! Are you still running coils on your current bike?

[@aliikane]

For handling definitely coil fork and shock, but pedaling the extra couple pounds is not friendly on my legs for most rides.

[@CraigCrider]

I just added a coil (Cane Creek DB IL Coil) to my YT Jeffsy (very progressive leverage rate) and I'd say your comments mirror my own. I think the added suppleness and traction far outweigh the slight bobbing on a climb. And, with the excellent climb switch engaged, it climbs even better than the previous Fox DPS.

[@archetypex65]

👍👍👍 That shock was developed by Öhlins just down the street from Cane Creek in North Carolina

[@kieftoker]

Sick comparison!

[@ridemx323]

First time I rode coil on MTB was on my Nomad4 after running air for the entire summer . Immediate thought - “oh. so that’s the rear end feel I’ve been trying to get with air”. I know have an evil offering with a Push and I will never go back to air.

[@novicrider6409]

I have a offering as well. I put 2 tokens in the rear and still feels the same. What coil did you get and what are the biggest differences you notice

[@tomthorne7347]

what coil shock were you using on your nomad? I have the same bike and I'm trying to decide weather to get a new air shock or coil?

[@matthiasweidenholzer6065]

No mention about small bump sensitivity on the coil?

[@offtrackfilms1]

What an Awesome video, thank you well worth a watch.!!!

[@loganbuchholz1420]

hey i have the Rocky Mountain altitude 2018 large and I want to upgrade to a dhx2 can you tell me what size coil I need?

[@shannonrichards4222]

What is the eye to eye on a 2018 rockmountin altitude c 70

[@rahoffman123]

Can u put these on a cruiser i have a h9nda vtx 1300r it is super chromed whit walls super shiny alloys and i want to get those and lower bike down 3 inches

[@BMagPH]

I have the same bike and can say that the DPX2 works great. Coil shock just looks more appealing to me, so I changed to a DHX2 😂

[@RochesterGT]

Currently have the stock DPX2 on my 2018 Hightower LT CC and need to upgrade to something that handles the real chunky stuff here in Phoenix, and so I'm torn between coil vs. air. I know my frame is meant for a more progressive shock, but I have read some tech articles saying that the frame really isn't setup for a super progressive shock, it's almost linear. I would love the coil's small bump sensitivity because there's a lot of that here along with the heavy stuff, but there's a lot of the trails here are mostly climbing so I think that's where I'd lean more towards air.

[@LiftedAdventures]

Great comparison. I ride a hardtail and never took the time to learn about them. Ill be getting a fs here soon and was wondering what i want and i think you just showed me. Very nice video. Thanks for it.

[@oakesvlogs4677]

I have just bought Session 8 trek full suspension and it has a coil so this helped me a lot to see if I should swap it for air

[@beastfromtheeast9318]

Is that you playing the drums?

[@flyinpolack6633]

pretty much spot on!

[@mtbalpinecounty]

My terrain out here in the Carson Valley/Alpine county is mostly Pyroclastic type stones. Really rough on air shocks. I blown every one that came stock with a bike. Even trying different makers to no avail.. Ohlins TTX22 never has failed me yet on all my bikes! But as you say, air is more efficient to climb, pedal in the long run. But wieght it not the issue, its absorbtion..Coil for me until there is a blend of the 2..thanks for sharing Trail Peaks!

[@TrailPeek]

Totally, I should say that the biggest disadvantage to coil really is the less efficient pedaling, not the weight penalty. But like you said, it offers so much more traction and is more robust.

[@grantfeddema5332]

Nice comparison vid bud! Never ridden a coil shock so can’t comment on that.

[@robertosmitho2012]

What is poppy feeling...they always say the coil is like a pogo stick I guess this has a recoil of air or oil damping.... negative bounce ....

[@lux-3001]

I had a custom tuned Fox Van RC coil shock in my previous 130mm bike. Yeah, air shocks are lighter, but I wouldn't necessarily call them more efficient for climbing. It was something about the coil shock that made me hammer up the climbs, never miss the lockout and just enjoy the descents. My new frame has a Float X2 air shock. I don't miss the coil shock as the performance of this state of the art air shock is amazing, but this is exactly the thing: a tuned Van RC coil shock easily matches the performance of the X2, for a weight penalty of 400 to 500 grams, which to be honest I never noticed. p.s. Fine tuning the LSC on a coil shock does wonders to how poppy it feels.

[@yakbiker75]

You can get progressive springs from MRP and ext Storia have hydraulic ramp up in theirs , plenty of options for nearly all frames nowadays. I'm running a titanium spring on my super deluxe on my transition Patrol... Love it.

[@TrailPeek]

True, haven't tried out the MRP progressive spring, it sounds interesting, but far heavier than the SLS spring from Fox

[@yakbiker75]

@@TrailPeek yeah definitely, being a Clyde I'm using a 650lb spring, I'd hate to think how heavy it would be in standard spring steel.

[@benharris1153]

Yes!! Rocky Mountain

[@lach_ness]

Some kind of wizardry Trail Peek you removed the Fox DPX2 from the frame and there was no mounting hardware installed in the lower eyelet?! Gotcha. Also any tips for removing the proprietary Rocky bearing cups I have an Instinct BC and swap between DPX2 and Storia Lok but the lower mounting hardware is a pain to remove / swap?

[@TrailPeek]

Lol! I went at it with a screwdriver, not recommended if you’re afraid to mark up the eyelet cosmetically. You can order new bushings from rocky.

[@yzedf]

Run coil on both my full suspension bikes and I won’t be going back to air any time soon.

[@yohvh]

But what is more comfy for electric scooters :)?

[@redballs]

Ride what you got

[@redballs]

Its been 4 years and my air shock finally took a shit. Im switching over to coil cause I got a good deal. If I remember ill report back after some testing.

[@Honda-nn3ee]

Did you go with a 210x55 with the coil or did you long shock it?

[@TrailPeek]

210X55

[@SteveHofsaess]

I have been riding for years and I do not feel much of a difference on any shocks, I have a fox shock on my Yeti, and a coil shock on my Commencal . Is it me or are most shocks good these days

[@porterdallenbach1639]

No! See, I'm actually smarter than the engineers that designed these frames, so I put a coil on everything

[@alissoncapelin6528]

I’m about to buy a 2019 Santa Cruz nomad, and it offers the coil and the air susp versions... the trails that I ride aren’t too rocky and I’ll make lots of jumps... as we know, the shock on the 2019 nomad is the rock shox super deluxe RCT... in my case, do u recommend the air or the coil shock !? I’ll be grateful for ur advice

[@TrailPeek]

The nomad is a bike that is suited for both coil and air. What’s best depends on your riding style and preferences on weight. Do you find yourself mainly doing fireroad climbs to the top of your descents, do you mind a heavier bike, and finally, do you mind having a bike that’s gonna be a bit more sluggish uphill?

[@alissoncapelin6528]

Trail Peek Well I don’t mind having a bike that’s gonna be sluggish uphill, but I need a bike able to climb up there (really gotta have a 1x12 drivetrain)...the fact is: I need a strong bike for my descents, I have an agressive riding style, but iam very confused in this world of coil/air suspensions, I don’t know what’s gonna be better for me, I’m 74 inches tall and 192 pounds of weight

[@ridemx323]

You answered your own question there bud. I had an 18 nomad4 and I ride air for the first 3 months I had it. The last 2 months I rode coil only. The SD AIR makes a nice aggressive trail bike that can handle tech climbs. But coil. Man. With the right spring rate and preload/sag, it really opened up the bike. After riding park and trail on air, then just trails on coil. I highly recommend the coil. Especially since you have 12speed! It’s not that bad. Lock that big girl out and just pedal.

[@alissoncapelin6528]

@@ridemx323 Thanks so much bro... until today's morning i only knew the air shocks and after watching this video i got really confused about these stuff...i'll get the coil one

[@4centhotdog]

Flow trails/jumps = air, many rocks = coil. However, air's "poppiness" seems to make it easier to do little bunnyhops while going through rock gardens and you end up jumping over more of the rough stuff and not plowing through it as much. You also feel like you are skipping over the tops of the rocks more and losing less momentum. It encourages you to ride in a different way that I think might be faster. You get rattled more, but it is interesting to keep ramping up the progressiveness with air spacers and seeing how it feels. I currently ride a YT Tues (pretty progressive) with maximum air spacers in the shock with less than recommended sag and it is extremely fun and fast. Also, air is gonna pedal better up and down. For trail bikes, if you're fit enough to not be bothered by the loss in uphill pedaling efficiency on coil then you are probably not going to be bothered that much by the slightly harsher descent on air...

[@giuliom8520]

Great insightful reply! Thanks!

[@spektrumB]

The middle part of a spring which has even coli spacing is very linear. However you always have two ends of the springs which are shaped/spaced differently. Which has different compressing rate compares to the middle coils. This in turn makes a spring in practice progressive. Two springs of the same length but with different number of coils. The one with less number of coils will be more progressive. The way you compare two shocks is just flaw. A shock damper is more than its spring mechanism. Have you thought about the difference of the internal dampening of both shocks?

[@TrailPeek]

This guy physics 👍You're right, this is a simplification of a bunch of mechanics. Both are using the same damper though.

[@rayamanelly]

I dont know squat about bike set up. I'm a family guy looking to trail ride the rough stuff from time to time so I will take what ever the cool kids are using.

[@stratts_636]

On the orbea rallon which do you think is better ?

[@TrailPeek]

The new Orbea Rallon is a bike designed to work well with coil. Either one will be fine, but coil in my mind is king

[@singletracktrucker]

Are you gonna hold onto that air shock? Been looking into getting a dpx2 for my altitude

[@TrailPeek]

Yes, it’s always nice to have a spare shock when traveling or racing. You’re not screwed if something goes wrong

[@singletracktrucker]

Would you be willing to share the tune ID on your air shock?

[@willbros1499]

Switched to coil, and Blair Witch nausea cam too? Maybe the old school coil made you want to go old school helmet cam with visor view. :-) Thanks for the recap and comparing the two. I think for people who have a dedicated enduro race bike, coils are definitely the way to go. Climbing time doesnt matter, and you want the most stable and planted rip down the stage. If you have to have "one bike to do it all" then it's hard to say coil, because on longer trails rides...the fatigue will be greater, not to mention the weight penalty. I can absolutely feel the energy loss on climbing with the pedal bob, and that would stink on a 25 mile trail ride.

[@jameswatt4694]

I end up riding my 'enduro race' bike all the time and when I switched from a 2015 Monarch RC3 to a 2019 DHX2 I got the climb lever installed by Fox (they aren't an available SKU through distro on the longer travel models). Climbs fine, but who likes climbing anyway? The only hassle was getting the right eyelet reducer bushing kits.

[@clubdredd1337]

Auburn and Forrest hill FTW!

[@matttengaio3618]

So how does one know if their frame works well with a coil?

[@matthewholm5171]

Matt TeNgaio most manufactures will briefly go over that on their bikes description page these days. Pinkbike usually goes over it too on their bikes reviews. On older bikeswe never really talked or cared to much about progression so you might just scour the forums to find out.

[@brettlaird2221]

I've only tried both on mx bikes. Air for the track and taking big jumps. But I'd take a coil any day on the trails. That is if the coil has preload adjustment on the coil. Otherwise you'd really need to be fitted with a spring for your weight.... but then how else would you do your static rider on sag without it

[@archetypex65]

AIR FOR BUG JUMPS????? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@mistikcloak]

What trail was that in Auburn?

[@TrailPeek]

Stonewall

[@evo5349]

Converted my 2018 YT carbon pro race to coil front and back and would never go back to air, long berms so much feel what the tyre is doing and that includes dropping tyre pressure for more grip and can feel where I need more pressure so get the most grip in wet conditions especially when rain showers I can feel when to back it off lie yesterday as was running a rear rock razor semi slick so with tyre pressure changes with no improvement so went home and put on a maxxis high roller and run lower pressure and so much more grip. Ok more weight but grip out weighs that. So run Vorsprung coil 50Ib front spring and DHX2 with a 450ib and I use 95% off travel but when dry I use 100% if I push it. Same wit the front 95% off travel used but one big drop off on my course if I push it hard 100% used with no hard bottoming as I can adjust bottoming resistance 4 clicks from fully in.

[@PedalingDave]

As you said, air tends to feel more playful and poppy. That sells me on air regardless of the weight difference.

[@TheNotoriousMIC]

Pedaling Dave actually a myth. Coils are more playful and poppy. It’s just what people say because they’ve heard it before and sounds right.

[@cwd1232]

@@TheNotoriousMIC why do u say that? Very curious cause that's what everyone says about air?

[@TheNotoriousMIC]

cwd 123 urban myth. People keep repeating it to the point where it’s almost truth.

[@mtbasher]

TheNotoriousMIC I went between an air shock to a coil shock and noticed a difference immediately. Coil is smoother over bumps and generally hugs the ground better while the air shock was more supportive in bigger impacts and popped better off obstacles. Many people that I have talked to have had the same experience when trying coil vs air. You can obviously set either one up to feel differently but air suspension by nature will be more progressive, you can't get around that fact and that is why they feel more springy and better for jumping.

[@cwd1232]

@@mtbasher thanks for the detailed answer! Anyone else have any input?

[@mauchu7]

Coil make a comeback now. Next trend, oh yeah Air.. Again 😂

[@josmapleflame1985]

Yukikaz3 Aj truth

[@archetypex65]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@go8663]

It seams like less maintenance and durability though. For some one who is starting that seams like an idea concept

[@isthisnametaken978]

Next trend would be 26 inch wheels

[@MAXlMUS]

electric magnet!

[@kylehanson5175]

which is better for jumping?

[@szymonrusin459]

Air

[@Nikolebichon]

Which one is better in cold/freezing conditions?

[@cwalt4089]

a snowboard

[@kyle618]

im on the fence between my x2 and getting a dhx2 for the bronson v2. should i give the coil a go?

[@manuni88]

I wouldn't. Generally speaking VPP leverage rate is more linear.

[@Oh_Sully23]

As Rusty said, the Gen2 Bronson doesn't have a very progressive leverage ratio curve so you'll likely struggle to find a spring rate that gives you the supple small bump sensitivity that coil is known for while still having enough bottom out resistance. You may need to run such a heavy spring to not blow through the travel that you'd end up running less sag and having it be quite harsh over small stuff. With the Float X2 I honestly believe you have the best shock for that bike.

[@TheNotoriousMIC]

Oh_Sully Oh_Sully you buy the spring that gives you the correct sag and then you run the right amount of compression and rebound or run a firmer bumper. You don’t just keep adding a heavier spring that’s not how it works. All shocks not just coils work better on a linear set up if you set your shock up properly.

[@Oh_Sully23]

@@TheNotoriousMIC I'm not sure I understand your point correctly so I'll remain in disagreement with you. Taking into account the differing properties of air springs vs coil springs, and the adjustments available (I'm yet to find a part number for a firmer DHX2 bumper), there are definitely leverage curves that work better with air shocks and curves that work better with coil shocks.

[@TheNotoriousMIC]

Oh_Sully my point is that the spring that gives you the correct sag is the spring for you. The rebound and compression tune is how you get the shock to feel how you want you don’t just keep adding a heavier spring until it doesn’t bottom out anymore. High speed compression is what you add if you don’t want to bottom out mainly and a tad less rebound.

[@deets29mtb53]

Didn’t you have coil on jeffsy? I’m thinking of putting coil on my 2019 jeffsy

[@TrailPeek]

Dane did, the jeffsy works great with coil

[@deets29mtb53]

Trail Peek I’ve taken out the volume spacer and running over 30% sag still so progressive, big hits don’t even bottom out if it does it’s bare minimum! My pivot bottoms harshly on much smaller hit

[@larsbleicher]

@@deets29mtb53 which coil did you mount? Im also thinking about to mount a coil but im not sure about fox, rockshox, dvo, ...

[@deets29mtb53]

Lars Bleicher I have air haven’t pulled trigger on coil but would probably stick with fox

[@larsbleicher]

@@deets29mtb53 yeah im thinking about the dpx2 do you have this one?

[@mravocadoman2999]

The real question is where can get that Randy sticker brah?

[@TrailPeek]

Marco Osborne makes them!

[@mikestivers8302]

i dont think you mentioned that with a progressive frame, there should be minimal pedal-bob, and even if you have some, a lot of coiled brands have compression switches. my tyee @ 160mm travel coil climbs almost as good as my hugene w/ 140 travel air shock. fully open. downhill there's no comparison. the air shock bounces all over the place, and you'd prolly be surprised at how well you can stay planted on a coil if you're running one for the first time. it is very noticeable. another thing, on more linear frames there are new progressive springs that try to "mimic" an air shocks' late travel resistance. for single pivot frames and such, a progressive spring is a must otherwise you'd either be running a way too stiff spring, or you bottom out a lot. and that ain't no fun!

[@DannyridesMTB55]

Only coil for me!! If you have ever blown a air shock 12 miles out it sucks!! Happened to me never again!!

[@bombsquadsendersunion2280]

Ouch!

[@Tengu98]

I didn't know switching shocks was so easy. Are all rear shocks universal? Looks like it took you no more than ten minutes to change shocks

[@TrailPeek]

Each frame has specific dimensions for the shock. As for swapping shocks, yes it shouldnt take too long. Just two bolts to remove and replace.

[@kanatanagesaeiji]

Mishalen 27.5 diamond Back

[@benny360]

Dude, you should try a coil on the front. Mind blow.

[@TrailPeek]

Waiting for fox to bring back the Van 36

[@jakobhp3180]

Trail Peek you can convert a Fox 36 float with Push ACS3 FORK COIL CONVERSION. I have a 26” Lyrik RC2DH coil fork 170mm - it works very well.

[@jdbv23]

Gimbal on the bike? Wow

[@TrailPeek]

That's the Rylo camera!

[@dogfighter1]

Did you need special hardware to install coil shock on your Altitude?

[@archetypex65]

I'm saving up for a ttx22m! In my opinion probably one of if not the best coil shock in the world. 👍 but at about 1500 bucks it's half the price of my bike 🤔😂 💲💲💲

[@dctmatt]

Its 6x what i paid for my used cc bike..

[@archetypex65]

@@dctmatt Right. Because that shock is better than your bike. 👌

[@archetypex65]

Öhlins. Multi multi multi time world champions in MotoGP World Superbike, BSB, World Tour DH...

[@PvtParts-px4jy]

I mean im a heavier rider (286lbs) and im all for air shocks as they offer way more adjustability and way more forgiveness at the bottom of the stroke. Where as, on a coil as soon as you get coil bind you can fuck the shock completely. Plus, it means i have to buy a couple coils to run with, rather than just pump or loose some air/spacers.

[@hubihuber8456]

Why is nobody making progressive springs like the ones you can sometimes see on cars

[@SamDWilliams]

mrp make one.

[@lemting2264]

Because in coil shock, the whole thing is a shock, unlike the other which has cover

[@likeris2]

coil twice is heavy. this is big minus in my book. plus just doesn't need pumping air and looks cool.

[@ocoutdoors2355]

these days, air shock is my preferred. I used to prefer coil exclusively

[@upsidedown260]

I prefer air shock so far, I love my X2

[@wolfe1970]

Turn off that music, very hard to listen to what you're saying

[@peaohvee1784]

Coil>Air....I go with what moto gp riders use. And they use coil. so I use coil. also the reliability is way better

[@archetypex65]

EXACTLY! 👍😎

[@siglinde_raw199]

Without kneepads.. daredevil!!!!

[@TCENDURO]

Coil for life. Just knowing you have that comfortability to smash through things is always good to have.

[@willfoster7187]

TC Downhill agreed. I used to run air but during downhill runs on the trail bike the shock would start to give up halfway. So I got a Cane Creek DB inline coil and BOY was I faster down the trail! I don’t care about climbing at all but god damn the bike rips downhill so much better

[@TCENDURO]

Will Foster Dude that’s awesome I run cane creek front and rear. I got the double barrel air in the rear. 160mm front and 200 travel rear.

[@renovski8992]

+it looks beefier

[@XxPureKhaosxX]

Since you don’t need that dpx2 anymore I’ll take it

[@TrailPeek]

It will be a spare shock for road trips and racing

[@XxPureKhaosxX]

Trail Peek I’ll trade you for my high quality Kona fastrax shock. Very good quality, very nice. Very good at being a replacement shock. My brother, he is shock expert. He give it 5 star

[@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_]

Coil far superior.

[@TrailFeatures]

Not sure if this was just scheduled extra early, or if I'm not the only MTB YTer that was up late working on vids... 🤔

[@rajikrishnan2022]

Gosh, Air suspensions are pretty much rare in India even though nobody asked me about it.

[@robertosmitho2012]

My suspension is made of memory foam😄

[@Summit_Seeker]

robertsmith hold up

[@eastwood111]

Why the music 🥴

[@durace99]

Dvo topaz all the way.

[@hermansaetervik3505]

air is best

[@JamesStoup]

Because coil > air. And if you get the right setup can be just as light. However if you can get a custom tuned coil shock you'll be in heaven. One of the biggest issues with coil is lack of progression (should you need/want/desire that). DHX2 for example has the same bump stop for all of their shocks. It does not take into account your leverage ratio or your frame progression. Obviously an issue if your leverage rate doesn't ramp up much, or if the curve flattens out in the ending stroke. Their dampers are the same (same shock used for every bike), but that's why you've got all those external adjusters. I've got a video on my channel that discusses air vs coil with a lot of the same points you've brought up as well. I'm working on another one that dives into a custom tune vs OEM suspension setup as well.

[@hobmarg]

Curious about your first point, how can coil be just as light? Even the CC DBcoil IL in the smallest size will be close to the weight of the Float X2 once you have a Valt/SLS/Ti coil on it? Apples to apples DHX2/X2, DBAir/DBCoil etc. it's a few hundred grams heavier. Still think it's worth it!

[@TheNotoriousMIC]

James Stoup hows a lack of progression a bad thing? If you’ve got a custom tuned coil shock then you want it to be linear.

[@JamesStoup]

@@TheNotoriousMIC It's only bad for those who want a more progressive suspension design. If you're not looking for extra bottom out resistance then you've got no issues :)

[@JamesStoup]

@@hobmarg not me but FYI forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/coil-shock-lighter-than-air-1099309.html

[@archetypex65]

@@TheNotoriousMIC exactly do you know you're only one of a very few people who understand the difference between Progressive and linear. a lot of people like to throw those terms around but they have no idea what they're talking about. No way in hell do I want a progressive shock spring combination I want something linear from beginning to end of travel. More consistent better performance. 👍

[@seanwalsh3052]

I've considered putting a DHX2 on my Trek Remedy but I think my X2 is fine and I'd rather get other upgrades instead, I would love to try one though!

[@maddoxomeara]

Coil gang

[@zzbj6546]

AIR

[@mattbaar]

Brooo get a chest mount!

[@poppydog4008]

Me who hasn't rode air probably

[@boggybigpants9462]

Ive gone from air to coil on my Capra ......massive difference ....coil all the way

[@TrailPeek]

Yt's usually work awesome with coil, nice!

[@wmullin22]

Yeah? I love the pop and support i get from the X2 but as long as it remains lively im may grab a dhx to swap in for lift access...

[@iamthomaschoo]

define playful

[@KrasusDB]

Instantly triggered by your sound lvls xD ... Music too loud.

[@SB-xu8pi]

Here are my 2 cents. The air shock is like the fire dept. it'll show up and save your ass even if there is no fire. The coil is like the police dept. it complains if you hit something to hard, gives you a ticket for going to fast. If you ride trails that don't push the limits, ride a coil, its AOK. But if your the type that needs support when the shit goes down, its AIR all the way baby!!

[@krazed0451]

So, uh, progressive springs haven't made their way to the MTB world? Seems unlikely.

[@TrailPeek]

They're starting to, MRP makes them for shocks. For a bike like the altitude, its not necessary however

[@archetypex65]

Progressive Springs are not ideal for any type of performance riding or racing all you have to do is look to the MX world to understand that. Most Motocross and Supercross teams are running linear Springs not Progressive Springs.