My $2.50 Gold Indian Coin Is Counterfeit !!!! Is Yours??

My $2.50 Gold Indian Coin Is Counterfeit! Is Yours??
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[@borisbuliak3626]

I was really surprised how close in weight that counterfeit is. Devil is in the details never stop learning. Thanks Daniel

[@nickgonzalez405]

I've bought a couple that tested at 14k, I was wondering if they'd be an actual counterfeit meant to pass in 20s or made later on to scam someone?

[@mikevenniro1959]

I recently got an 1888 S Morgan dollar I knew it was fake but I sent it to my nearest coin shop and he said that it was a fake as well it's too bad that people do that soon as you get them we should destroy them so they can't fool anyone else thank you for your videos you're very knowledgeable I wish I lived where you lived so I can come to your coin store and buy a good stuff

[@floydearlhoss]

back when platinum wasn't worth much, in Russia they used it to counterfeit gold coins by plaiting the platinum with gold

[@georgematthews2877]

Good Afternoon Daniel!🥤 My $2.50 is authentic! But thankyou for the GREAT info and an excuse to dig my type set out and tinker with it again!!😀

[@30anvz28]

I bought 2 $10 gold pieces years ago knowing they were counterfeit. I gambled they we’re still some % gold knowing even most counterfeits were 14k. Paid $50 each total $100. Turned out they were 90% gold straight up. Sold them for scrap gold and walked away with just under $1300 for the pair.

[@CoinHELPu]

Nice. Usually they're gold in some capacity.

[@30anvz28]

@@CoinHELPu I had no way to test them and just figured $100 I wouldn’t mind gambling I couldn’t figure I would lose

[@kristinebailey86]

Wow that's a very interesting subject I know I would be hard-pressed to know the difference between the two.

[@novicestarrstacker2549]

This is insane to me and the reason I'm a Bullion Stacker not a numismatic collector. I wouldn't or many wouldn't be able to look for such small miniscule details to know if it's fake. Too much to worry about and not worth the time. Alot easier to be scammed on numismatics than bullion

[@markkaidy8741]

You have got to be vigilant about bullion too.

[@doughensley6202]

Well. If you numismstic collector. Just ny NGC or PCGS graded non details and your okay. If you don't buy raw your okay.

[@xd-metal9026]

How could they’ve missed the dots and have the rest of the coin almost perfect? I mean, is it that hard to strike the dots, knowing that that simple detail could bust them out?

[@CoinHELPu]

Even the designer initials are off a bit.

[@wegapaul3616]

I just checked my Indian head coin and could not make out the dots with my eye…I did however make it out by zooming in my iPhone. It’s very very small. And min is authentic 👏😇

[@TruthLivesNow]

I have 3 Gold Coins Graded by PCGS. 1. Any more pre-33 Gold coins are going to be bigger than a $2.5 Gold. 2. Before you gave the advice it came to me, I will only buy pre-33 if they are Graded by the three you mentioned, even graded by ICG, or older PCI may be questionable.

[@RealLifeFinance]

Great video. A few years back I bought one online. It weighed a tad heavy. FYI real ones that are XF and worse NEVER weigh heavy. In fact they weigh light. Turned out it was basically 18k. Seller took it back and seemed genuinely shocked it was a fake. Looked really good too.

[@paulbegansky5650]

I could not tell. spooky fake

[@philippayne4951]

Nothing worse when you get the coin, then find the bugger is fake.

[@texman8150]

On the counterfeit it also looks like where the eyelash would be is a lot closer to the forward edge of the bridge of the nose than on the genuine, but maybe that's my eyes playing a trick on me.

[@michaelgoodspeed846]

Thanks Daniel, another informative video, you are not scaring your viewers in my opinion, but blessing them with knowledge and actually saving them money. I believe knowledge is a form of power and wisdom. Best wishes to you and yur loved ones.

[@endtheccp4228]

It is indeed scary knowing that the counterfeits are identical to the real deal. Nonetheless it has to be known that these exist otherwise someone could get scammed.

[@joelkirby3430]

I just checked and found one with no periods next to initials

[@Samscoinsandheavymetal]

Most of the earlier counterfeit gold coins, those made pre 1990 especially will be made of 90% gold. The reason being gold was much cheaper pre-1990 and the numismatic value of any gold coin was significantly higher than their gold content They could afford to make them in the correct composition as it may have cost $40- $60 in gold or even less at 0.125 Troy oz when gold was $250-300-oz but the common date 1/4 E Indians were trading at $100-200 in the late 80s

[@DominickGiammarinoAZ]

Well it's not in a PCGS holder so I would never buy one, I'm done buying raw coins for the rest of my life, The Only Exception is if, no, no exception, I might buy rolled coins or collector coins from the US Mint but that's it

[@trackpackgt877]

Even if it's fake if the golds real I would still buy it 🤷 I buy for the gold weight anyway. Cool video bro

[@adamjam9541]

Class is always in session when collecting coins, good video as usual

[@rayone1972]

Cheap china scale probably not precise enough to determine

[@mistarichdontplay4795]

If you don't want it!!!!! I would love to have it! Great video and appreciate the info 🙏👍🤙

[@jasonhastings5538]

Man this will fool alot of people!

[@tommytom5650]

Is it just me or does the fake Indian look entirely different than the authentic. Look at the Eyebrow ridge nose and eyes the fake almost looks cartoonish in detail compared to the authentic.

[@HiTechFX]

Thanks I had to weigh the ones I have. I'm good....

[@texasjoe557]

You'd think the incuse would be harder to counterfeit but they are some of the best ones out there.

[@ds94703]

Ths is why I would only buy a PCGS or NGC graded gold coin.

[@Keifsanderson]

Well, I suppose if I wind up with one of these fakes, I can at least be happy I have the gold content.

[@evisceratednation]

Well damn that's just great hopefully when the one i ordered online shows up its the real deal. Thanks for the tips and heads up on these coins.

[@Ontario100]

Always learn something new when I watch one of your videos. Thanks!

[@retiredoldguy9210]

Does anything ever get by ANACS??

[@rockymarcianothe3rd135]

So it's the same hold content in weight so its difficult to catch. At least its actual gold in weight even though it is a cheat.

[@jbiggerstaff-qe5wy]

Ii was going to get one of the Indian gold coins but ill trust what you think see ya

[@stirlingengine8754]

Always look for the orange/copper color in the depths of the incuse features. I have never seen an Indian without that orange coloring. Especially at the tips of the feathers and in the stars.

[@coinjack1543]

This is why I’ve never bought one of these coins. I really do want one, raw, so I can actually hold it, but over the years my gut says that I will be fooled by a fake. Thank you for the video, Daniel

[@doughensley6202]

Buy a slabbed grades one from NGC or PCGS then.

[@sidcolwell7479]

I hope the gold crown (tooth) I have isn't counterfeit.😱

[@endtheccp4228]

If it is worrying you do multiple tests on it including the specific gravity test (that wasn't shown here) and if you have real crowns of the same type do a ping test. Then get a grading company to go over it.

[@georgematthews2877]

Daniel, there is also a big difference in the facial features!!!

[@appleztooranges]

This is one of the best counterfeit coin I’ve ever seen

[@donhosick4810]

Thanks for the information. Good info.

[@chesterraybon3442]

Really appreciate it when you teach us about things.

[@ltcol2005]

Daniel you keep making the case buying raw coins is a big risk something i would never do. thanx

[@mawinumismatic6508]

Heloo..mr...good coin...tangk s..

[@terenceryan6051]

Very helpful thanks

[@jeemalsoknownasjimhawkins1294]

Daniel: Another great video and what a convincing counterfeit! Back in the early 1970's, the Middle East was producing many very well-made counterfeits, out of 95% gold, to get around the gold embargo in the US that was not lifted until 1975. I unknowingly bought one, but years later was actually able to sell it for more than what I paid because a dealer was buying them all up to have them melted into gold bars. I wonder if what you have is one of those Middle East counterfeits? Regardless, thanks for posting this. Cheers.

[@BruceGordon925]

"So close" Couldn't it just be an unknown die difference? I'd think there would have to be many more examples to make sure?

[@CoinHELPu]

Nope

[@bradleyozbun1012]

💯 on the 411 # Thx. You sir .

[@dalestoner2928]

When it comes to those coins I would even take a ICG hollered one knowing it is not fake.

[@jasonhastings5538]

I mess with alot of emboss dies!!! Man who ever did the work is good!!!

[@nothingmanofgod.6288]

I am eternally gratefull👽

[@PlumberStacker]

Awesome video

[@njlooksee]

Thanks! Always good info from you.

[@PatriciaMaroney]

When you put the coins side-by-side, I could see that the eye on the face was further away from the bridge of nose on the authentic coin versus the fake coin. Great video! Appreciate you sharing your expertise and recommendations.

[@Zaque-TV]

The necklace is thinner on the fake too

[@Cp-71]

From what I've heard some of these can be composed out of actual gold since the Indian designs have quite a bit of premium to them.

[@CoinHELPu]

They usually are

[@bojo360]

I looked at a 2.5 dollars a few years back. It was made into a lapel pin. I Didn't know much about gold coins at the time. I passed on it because it had a soldering done poorly. Just didn't seem right

[@MarkA-Coins]

Thanks Daniel ! Boy, that is really a good counterfeit. Many would overlook it and say it is authentic. Anacs is reputable and a great source to authenticate a coin. I've always wanted one slabbed with it being slabbed would make me feel good about the coin itself. Great advice ! and thank you for passing on your knowledge !

[@joyceevans9644]

I HAVE MSNY NEW 2022 QUARTERS, 1 OF THEM HAVE A GOLD HUE TO IT, WHST DOES THAT MEAN??

[@gregs7519]

It means they are worth $0.25

[@ericlusebrink763]

Note...now I remember I dug up the article on these counterfeit (yet with actual gold content) dollars and quarter eagles on the Eric p. Neumann numistic portal there are tens of thousands of old quarterly pamphlets, books, coin meeting minutes, musings and observations from old timers etc etc on the portal. Next question is how many of these little rascals are in safe deposit boxes, collections, little jewelry boxes etc.

[@endtheccp4228]

I presume they sell for well above the metal value if they're using real gold to make them.

[@chrisstanford3652]

Thanks so much?

[@JamesComstockCages]

Very helpful.

[@AnthonyFrisone]

OMG!! I JUST GOT MY $2.5 1914-D TODAY, 9/20/22 I WATCHED THIS VIDEO, AND THE COIN I JUST BOUGHT RECEIVED FROM AN EBAY SELLER IT DOES NOT HAVE DOTS IN BETWEEN THE BLP!!! NO LIE THANK YOU!!

[@batch6792]

Thankyou 😀👍

[@freekingawwsome]

The B.L.P did not have the dot after the "P" on your coin does that make it a reason ?

[@CoinHELPu]

It did have one.

[@freekingawwsome]

@@CoinHELPu really how come I couldn't see it

[@CoinHELPu]

I can't answer that but the fake doesn't have the dots and the authentic coin does. I have the coins in hand. I am not mistaken. You're looking at video and images here, not the actual coin.

[@freekingawwsome]

@@CoinHELPu your good brother

[@ericlusebrink763]

I've had 2 of those myself and just as bad are the little gold dollars there are thousands of counterfeits of these in the market VF-XF and they are very very well struck - thankfully I had a scale, sigmapro and slabbed examples to compare with. I no longer buy ANY gold dollars or quarter eagles unless their slabbed. Problem is their content is gold but how much? 40 60 70%? they never read within bounds on the sigmapro. I read in some old coin pamplet/quarterly on the web from mid 1980's (sorry I can't recall where) that these originated and were widely used in the Arab and meditrainian regions and are worn due to their being better part gold and used extensively in commerce thus the worn VFish look. Someone somewhere had a very successful run with these and they being a good portion gold and weighing very close it would seem perhaps an actual foreign coin mint may have been pumping these out in 19th century. There's more mystery to these than answers...perhaps we will never know. Bottom line when I see these on ebay or LCS I don't walk away I run. Excellent download thank you at 3 4 500 bucks for these little rascals its too risky for me buying them raw.

[@endtheccp4228]

What about modern eagles?

[@johnengland8619]

I feel safer with 1oz silver rounds, also it's more befitting my financial status

[@brianleonard6885]

I have 1926

[@rightisright100]

I had a 1908 Quarter Eagle until about 12 years ago. I fell on hard times and had to sell it. I got $300 for it. I still have a 1969 Blue Book and in there the 1908 is listed as $22.50 in XF...lol This year I replaced it with an American Eagle 2022 One-Tenth Ounce Gold Proof Coin for $315. It's a beautiful coin but you need a magnifying glass to see it

[@allthingssilver7635]

Where can i find lictures of the tooling marks to look for? Going to a coin show tmrw and looking to buy my first pre33 gold. I have heard a few ppl now mention tooling marks behind the neck but not sure what that looks like

[@patmayer7222]

,,,,yes,,,,,hello from land o' lakes,wi...I recently acquired a pair of gold cufflinks,,,with two Indian head 2.5 coins in them(almost threw them in a costume jewelry box),,,I took them to my local pawn store,,,they took them out of their rims,,one a 1925,,one a 1927,,,,and verified them through a coin authenticator,,,,the 25'was 97% pure,,,the 27' was92%....and also learned that there are fakes out,,,,!..because of being in the links,they had an almost uncirculated back(eagle),,very light scuffing on front,,,,so we both had a good day,,they made a little money,and I cashed in on something I almost threw out!!!....until now I thought I knew a little about money,,,never knew about these Indian gold coins,(3 different types)..but what a great find,,,I'll never forget.....tnx.

[@calangels73]

There's a raw 1913-S Half Eagle on e bay right now. Missing dots between BLP. Up to $699. Emailed seller to take another look at what he's offering.

[@okgroomer1966]

I have a few of these I purchased as fakes. One of them is indistinguishable to me. It's well circulated and that hides whatever faults it might have had. Only way my LCS found out was his xray machine. It's 90% gold but the alloy is off I guess. I should destroy it but I like to see if people can catch that it's fake. Most don't.

[@jeraldspannagel5289]

The first one is counterfeit. The 2 Nd is real. They weigh 4.18 grams. I have a 1911 P and it’s 100 percent , the real deal. Cost me $300 in 2011.

[@Chris6815]

I purchased a 1914 $2.50 Gold Indian but mine is PCGS with anti counterfeit features. I really like that it has the NFC scan. Very informative video. Thank you. I definitely won’t be buying any raw pre 1933 Gold. I will definitely stick with the graded/slabbed ones.

[@brianraper8214]

once got a $ 5 gold indian head 1912-s super nice sent to pcgs came back fake.. pcgs said in a side note one of the best fakes they have ever seen...i was sad ... i did get mony back and they were the sad ones '''''''''''''''

[@kennethdicarlo7131]

Ok, I'm scared to death. I love gold but think I'll just invest on line( ie: GLD, SGOL)😊

[@ArneHiga]

And yet Sir, even the cases are being counterfeited too. Gotta check the cases as well.Just because it says NGC, PGCS or ANACS doesn't make them a safe & sure bet either. And then it's best to check and compare those coins in a case with the photos these grading services have on their websites, if they are available. Check for every ding, scratch and stain to make sure they match. BTW, I don't think your fears are unfounded & even when the coins are legit, they may have flaws unseen when you get them in the mail.

[@dougwagoner2620]

Good info Daniel

[@tedsmith5058]

Hello from the great state of Michigan

[@CoinHELPu]

Hello from the great state of Ohio, home of the Buckeyes!

[@chrissahar2014]

Never thought of checking closely for the periods between the coin designer's initial. Had me look at two $2.5 I have. First one in a better grade was easy to spot, the other a bit circulated was harder. Had to have one other good friend check they were there. Thankfully there is now a higher probability than before that they are authentic. I stopped after getting just two (raw) of these $2.5 Indian Head just because of how good the counterfeits were becoming. If I get another I will have purchase one slabbed showing it as authentic from a reputable grading company. .

[@Constitution1789]

I'll just never buy coins like that. Problem solved.

[@gregs7519]

My brother got burned on a 1oz that was machined out and filled. The machining was so precise, it wasn't possible to see where the 2 halves split even with a loupe.

[@brandonmontooth4936]

Ive got a an uncirculated 1897 and indian head and 44D but i think they may be counterfeit. What should i do their in a case with 44 steel and a 96 zinc. I dont want to ipen it

[@johnshoosmith]

I don't have any American coins ( lol) but, wow this is excellent even for the world coin person.

[@jcpicks]

$2.5 and $5 Indians are the most counterfeit gold coins in history.

[@opnwndo]

I have gold plated silver ozs...that are magnetic...lol.

[@silverstanger1103]

Great info as always ! I was actually looking at those coins just a few minutes ago today

[@southofhollywood4199]

That's why I only buy bullion these days.

[@ultramagapurebloodpride8294]

I just figured those were all fake. I won't touch them.

[@uwetetzlaff8967]

Good points! There r books too on fake , counterfeit coins! Thanks Daniel!

[@stephendowling6200]

Hugely informative!! You are truly a master in your field!!

[@mdavid2100]

Another good video. Thank you, Daniel.

[@ernestclark21]

I dont know what coin you were looking at, but i sure saw saw the dots even better on the coin you say was fake better than the coin you say was real!

[@CoinHELPu]

You're talking about the wrong coin. The 1928 was the fake and it does not have the dots. You really must pay close attention to things like this.

[@hollowdog9049]

@@CoinHELPu Both you show are 1929.

[@CoinHELPu]

I meant 1929, one is fake and one isn't and one has the dots and one doesn't. The fake doesn't have the dots.

[@carol-4401]

Thank you! I am going to go check out my one indian coin right now.

[@alfredparsons6811]

Great vblog. Thanks for the lesson.

[@jimgoodreau1245]

If it's gold and it way right it's good enough.

[@dailydribble]

Teacher I need your help I just bought some MS69 proof silver 1999's being 25 bucks for the 1st 5 states, what I read being silly me with my ptsd I did not read everything, the sale stated "the proof sets where removed by the rating company PCGS and rated by them 69 Now I am not knowing of what rating companies do, is it possible they remove coins from Proof set to grade? I sort of doubt it, I might have to return the order, dang dealing with coins on amazon you have to pay return shipping which cost 1/2 your order so now I am so confused, I don't know if you ever covered PGCS removing coin and if they don't do it can you address this Please I don't see this issue anywhere

[@CoinHELPu]

Please use the coinhelpu community for questions. Thanks

[@Commin_Cents]

What's everyone's opinion on graded morgan dollars? Will they increase in value over the next 10 years or would I be better off investing in silver eagles instead? I love the Morgan dollars but don't know what type of investment they are compared to silver rounds..Looking for any opinions on the matter.

[@CoinHELPu]

No one can predict that.

[@JimRedland]

1911 areas to look at on 2 1/2 Indian Gold coin?

[@kenkaufman9998]

Very educational! Kudos

[@marc-bs8bj]

Thank you for the information.

[@kennygoslyn9538]

Can't you just use gold accid?

[@CoinHELPu]

Really? On a Coin? No, you don't

[@kennygoslyn9538]

Not directly, on a testing stone; still if not that really stinks!! I have read while back ago that no matter how you look at a gold stone gold will never change color in shade or sunlight 🤦‍♂️. Okay thank you for all your trying to do to help collectors not to get ripped off... . It's not right i hate when people has to try to rune a good thing for others for there own gains .

[@kennygoslyn9538]

I have a 1977 D penny that came from the bank that was striked 4 times and kinda burned looking looks like and kinda gone around on Facebook about it with confusion, wait if I remember is 2.4oz been a while, anyways it is kinda soft, should not of done it but cuts like butter. 😱

[@ericjurgensen9233]

Outstanding! thank you!