Why you might not want an RTX4090

[@xforcepc]

This video was made before the launch. As it turns out, the 600W is only seen on AIB cards (non-Founders) and only if you overlock. Somewhere around 450W is the normal maximum. You still want a 1000W power suppply, though. Also it looks like there are not as many of these cards available at launch as they are sold out at most retailers.

[@sirgriffinman]

This video should be massively edited or taken down. The 4090 is 60-90 percent faster and uses less power. This video is completely irrelevant.

[@tresnugget]

The founders can have the power limit raised to 600w.

[@unavailable291]

@@sirgriffinman NO, the 4090 is hot and power hungry garbage and you are a nvidia fanboy...

[@theoracle3747]

@@unavailable291 WRONG. You obviously don't own one and you're just regurgitating crap you've read on the internet, posted by other envious people who want one so bad they're wetting their pants, but they can't afford one with the allowance they get from mommy. MY RTX 4090 is cool as a cucumber in a Corsair 5000X case. In high demand apps, there's no substitute for brute power, and the 4090 delivers - e.g., in Prepar3d, my frame rate with all settings maxed doubled from my old 3090. NVIDIA rules, and I'm proud to say I too am an Nvidia fan boy.

[@unavailable291]

@@theoracle3747🤣

[@PrimalRampageGaming]

Why is the radiator mounted that way in the second case? Flip it around so the tubes are above the pump.

[@johanjacobs9240]

Agreed. Any air bubbles in the loop will gather at the water block and severely affecting cooling performance.

[@techtipsuk]

Best way to deal with these cards is to a custom loop. Still need the clearance but removes the girth and the need for extra fans

[@lyleparadise2764]

At this rate, The PC's will soon be competing with the EV's for power from the ever growing excessive demands on our electrical grids. Do I fly my flight sim, or do I charge my car tonight, lol.

[@bryjb10]

PCs world wide consume far more power than EVs. The grid is constantly evolving but mostly the issue is the circuit in your house. Eventually you should switch to 240v for your PC.

[@fepethepenguin8287]

@@bryjb10 lol 240 for you pc Good 1

[@bryjb10]

@@fepethepenguin8287 you do realize that most all PC power supplies are rated and auto switch or have a switch from 110/120 to 220/240v right ?

[@pirategirljess]

10 years from now, what are we going to be looking back at? Is this temporary or will they only get bigger

[@dougdimmadome1907]

temporary, but for now it is what it is

[@Airplane_Willy]

I feel like I also saw a 3rd party 4090 somewhere online that had a lanyard or something to hang it from the top of the case for support? If so, the 4090 just seems like a Detroit Auto Show "concept car". It all sounds great, but just doesn't make too much sense for the majority of users.

[@xforcepc]

Yeah, that is called the Eleash. What a terrible name. www.evga.com/articles/01554/eleash/

[@CyberSystemOverload]

Great video thanks Micheal. Surely the time is coming where they will have to come up with a new interface for where the card meets the motherboard? How much heavier can they go with all those stresses and bending forces on a thin little strip jammed into a slot!

[@lashlarue59]

OR for the 5090 or 6090 the card is going to be so big and suck so much juice that it will no longer fit inside ANY case. So the card, its power supply and its cooling solution will be in separate case of its own and communicate to the computer via some version of Thunderbolt. That's already starting to happen and the price will be around $3000+.

[@theoracle3747]

My 4090 came with 2 different support brackets to address that issue, which is real, but easily overcome. There have also been aftermarket devices designed specifically for that purpose. The one I owned already before I bought my 4090 affixes itself to the case magnetically, and is thumbscrew-adjustable for height.

[@lashlarue59]

@@theoracle3747 Sounds like the same one I use for my 3090. Did you buy the 4090 Founders Edition or one of the 3rd party cards?

[@theoracle3747]

@@lashlarue59 I bought a Gigabyte 4090 - GV-N4090GAMING OC-24GD.

[@lashlarue59]

@@theoracle3747 I imagine that card is physically much smaller than the Nvidia version of it. I have the Dell/Alienware version of the 3090 and it is a LOT smaller than the Nvidia version. Physically there is no way the Nvidia version would have fit in my case.

[@alexandrostheodorou8387]

You think the future RTX 6060 will be the same as this card today?

[@jltb5283]

I have a Gigabyte 4090 installed in a LIAN LI O11 Dynamic EVO case mounted vertical and it fits fine in a fairly compact overall size case (in terms of height). Unless you overclock (and with the huge performance level what is the point) the wattage pull is not 600 but rather 450 which is not much more than the 3090 TI. Agree it is a bit extream, but mine is working just fine not overclocked, the case temperature is not much different than the 3090 and the room is not over heated. Since the 16 GB 4080 is so ridiculously over priced vs the previous model it made more sense for me to go with the 4090 which is priced just $100 over the previous model. I feel like I am getting more for my money on a comparative basis.

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

Good to know because Im getting this exact case with a Strix 4090... and a 7950x on ASUS's x670e Crosshair Hero motherboard 🥲. About a week from now I have all the parts I need...

[@suckabustaakadd]

Did you have to vertically mount it because you cant close the panel when horizontally mounting it?

[@jltb5283]

@@suckabustaakadd Yes I did vertically mount it using the kit from LIAN LI. It worked great. When the 90 degree power cable from Cable MOD is available (may be now not sure) horizontal mount will probably also work.

[@Sharpstick50]

Holy smokes I have a 3080 ("petite") crammed in my Nuc 11 extreme I had to remove the fan shroud so it relies on the top case fans for cooling not only would the 4090work out, it would also wall off the side of my nuc making it a perfect setup. the fact that it's heavy doesn't matter at all because it's a vertical setup thank you for making this video

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

These cards are huge, I can't put the side panel on my case as it is so wide the power cable sticks out too far from the side. I have a Phanteks P400A case which is not a small case

[@willembont4790]

This is illuminating. Twice the cost, twice the power draw for marginal gains. Madness. Would like to know how x-plane 12 and MSFS are performing with this brick. Thanks for sharing.

[@scorpian007]

MSFS benchmarks are already out, looks to perform really well in GPU bound scenarios, and also when DLSS3 is enabled with frame generation.

[@willembont4790]

@@scorpian007 Thanks for the heads up.

[@jltb5283]

With DLSS 3 and frame generation on a 4090 I get 144 (max refresh) totally smooth FPS away from major city's. This is on a 4K monitor and defualt Ultra settings. At JFK heading towards NYC I get between 90 and 100 FPS. 85 is as low as it ever goes but this is very rare. This really transforms MSFS it is amazing and I havent noticed any lag or other issues. It is totally smooth and the visuals are excellent.

[@willembont4790]

@@jltb5283 Thanks for your update. Much appreciated. May I ask what your CPU is and at what clock frequency are you running?

[@TheTyphoon365]

@@willembont4790 the card is incredible, and actually more power efficient than the 3090. He's probably running a 12900k but for this card I'd say go for the i7 13700k, it's fantastic. The i9 13900k is has more eCores but it draws insane amount of power

[@henryluebberstedt7819]

Power consumption is a huge topic for me. I live in a country with the highest energy prices worldwide (Germany). Running a 4090 plus a high end CPU 4 hrs a day would cost me around 400 euros per year - that's insane.

[@oxfordsparky]

The chance of you running both at full power for 4 hours straight is almost zero in reality. If it’s gaming you want then get a 13900k and undervolt it, you can get the performance of a 12900k for under 80w full load. But the main issue is the very large increase in the cost of electricity in your region recently. If possible then invest in solar PV and battery storage, I’ve had solar for about 8 years and have just upgraded my inverter and added batteries with the plan of increasing the size of my array in the near future.

[@frankvinti925]

I decided to make a new build for this GPU because I tend to upgrade every 2 or 3 years, I chose the Dark Base PRO 900 for case and an MSI 1000W ATX 3.0 Compatible for Power Supplie, I still have doubts about my choices, I hope for the best.

[@Sim737Pilot]

Get the absolute largest floor mount case you can buy. It's just easier to work in.

[@abhishekchoudhary5458]

This time the performance difference between 4080 16GB and 4090 is not small, its like 40-50% with a price difference of 400$, 4090 is not only offering much better rasterisation but much better ray tracing too with 8GB of extra GDDR6X memory. If 4080 16GB would have been 850-900$ it would have been a much better buy.

[@jellowiggler]

The specs certainly indicate that the 4090 is far ahead of the 4080. We will see soon enough. I’m hoping that along with the cancellation of the 12gb “4080” we will also see some lowered pricing due to competition and market demand.

[@jaymelz324]

Right why does he keep saying double the cost for 20% more performance that’s just off

[@kontoname]

@@jaymelz324 It was before release. Nobody expected Nvidia to release another garbage GPU generation. 20 series was trash, 30 was trash now the 40ies too. It's literally bruteforcing performance at this point beyond what the market actually needs. They are willingly offloading development costs for their AI and server products onto the gamer department and releasing giant monolithic die cards that are absolutely horrible in price. Well, nobody seems to want the 4080ies anyway it looks like. gg crapvidia, that's what you get for shitting on gamers since freaking 6 years.

[@quantumac]

I've got an RTX 3080 and a Core i7-7700K. With XP11.55, I get 40 fps in SteamVR using a Valve Index headset. In XP12b5 early access, I get 20 fps using similar settings. I hope Laminar Research optimizes XP12 VR, or at least gives us some advice on how we might increase VR performance on our rigs. They seem to be concentrating on flatscreen at the moment, but personally I don't find flatscreen very compelling anymore. I don't get that "in the cockpit" feeling like I do with VR.

[@chosen729]

Probably upgrading your cpu

[@TetGodOfGames]

I'm not quite sure how vr games are render, but an i7-7700k is bottlenecking the rtx 3080 by maybe like 30-50% in some games. I recommend upgrading you're cpu, the ryzen 7 5800x3d is cheaper compared to intel 12th gen with similar performance. Although intel is also releasing support for their current gen mobos with support for 13th gen. It's all about how much you're willing to spend and if you would consider upgrading intel 13th gen in the future.

[@ableseason4]

upgrade ur fucking cpu thats a bottleneck if ive ever seen one

[@quantumac]

It may come to upgrading my CPU. Unfortunately, X-Plane is mostly single-threaded. Not completely, but mostly. I don't know if that will change or not. Anyway, according to Tom's Hardware, the fastest single-thread CPU they tested was the Core i9-12900K. That's about 50% faster than what I've got. So assuming the CPU is the bottleneck, I might be able to get to 30 fps if I upgrade to that processor. I'd like to know for sure before I try, but that depends on folks who have that processor publishing their SteamVR Valve Index X-Plane 12 fps specs.

[@TetGodOfGames]

@@quantumac just look up benchmarks of the game with the i9-12900k with rtx 3080 for the games you play. That's what helped me with choosing my parts for my build.

[@blackhero911]

on monitors yes, it doesn’t make a difference. But, with virtual reality flying it makes a great difference

[@jdbarney]

My home office has no less than seven computer including my flight sim PC running a 3090 Ti. I had a supplemental mini-split system installed (just for that one room) to offset all the heat these machines generate. You have to pay to play!

[@momaslilboy1781]

I've seen a power draw test between 4090 vs 3090, the 3090 power draw was a constant 360watt give or take while 4090 power draw would come down from 420watt to 200watt and would stay that way depending on the need.

[@Sim737Pilot]

Very curious how even though the 4090 is wider, the distance between the mobo and connector is a fixed distance. The extra width SHOULD bleed away from mobo. You can use expanding foam in a plastic bag to allow form fit protection of the GPU. Thats how mine came from B&H Photo.

[@flightsimdeskuk]

My home office / gaming room that I am I the process of building is tiny. Only 2.5m x 2.5m (just over 8 feet in each direction). For my flight sim there will be an RTX 3080 10gb (320W), a 3080 Ti (400W) and a Quadro RTX 4000 (160W) generating external views on 5 screens. The CPUs will be another couple of hundred Watts on top. Also two more touchscreens for instruments with air manager. Heat WILL be a problem. I am actually making custom cases for the PCs out of wood and building them in to a stud wall with venting into the roof space! But there will be a lever that I can pull that blocks the airflow to the roof and directs it into the room instead. Useful for winter to keep me warm! Haha.

[@Kababalax]

I think its ridiculous and irresponsible of NVidia to be using the so called 4nm node now, and yet still crudely drawing stupid amounts more power, to run quirky and gimmicky AI chips that's about as future proof as 3D TVs were, and then building it in such a huge card. They have lost the plot!

[@dommerdom]

This guy makes a lot of great points. For anyone in here who bought a 4090 and wants to sell it at MSRP, holler at your boy. I can help you with the mistake you made.

[@Chakotay2222]

there are watercooled versions that are very small to fit into case

[@acshuley]

i feel the best option is to get a watercooling block for decreased size and less heat, which will be even more expensive so it's not even a good option at least this will hopefully make 30 series cards cheaper

[@f0lzen]

EKWB + 4090 = smaller size, better temps - so the big size of the aftermarket 4090s is not an issue

[@soapa4279]

7:35 you can undervolt. My 3090ti even at 2040mhz, undervolted to .950V runs at a cool 65C

[@Krenisphia]

That's a very modest undervolt. I would go much further than that. These high-end cards have enough performance that losing a few percentage is not really a big deal.

[@soapa4279]

@@Krenisphia It was unstable at .900 and .925. But yeah I could go lower clocks, but honestly it barely draws 250W and runs cool enough I’m happy with the OC plus undervolt compared to stock 450W and 1990mhz

[@Krenisphia]

@@soapa4279 You got it down to 250W at 950mV? With a 2GHz clock? Somehow I doubt that... If what you're saying is true, then that is very impressive. Maybe you have a golden binned die.

[@soapa4279]

@@Krenisphia My mistake, I was just saying 250W off the top of my head. I tested and it's actually 296W. Still under 300W, 2040mhz at .950V. The card is the MSI Suprim X 3090Ti.

[@TheGameBench]

To be fair, the P300, or even the P400, aren't in the price range that people looking to spend $1,700+ on a GPU are going to be looking at anyways since those people aren't really shopping from a stance of practicality, or even really a set budget. Especially at the start where I'm pretty sure, even at $1,700+, they're going to be scalped considering that NVIDIA has already stated they're going to limit production of 40 series while they move their excess 30 series inventory. Which is only going to make things worse. So I honestly think 40 series is going to be a terrible idea as a whole for a couple of months until things settle down and the less price sensitive get their cards.

[@johndzwon1966]

I think ATX motherboards and cases need to be redesigned to accommodate these monsters, including the issue of paying for unusable PCI slots.

[@duncanwallace7760]

My theory is the xx80s might be a bit slower, but you can get the next generation xx80 as well for the same price as just the current gen xx90 card. I would think the next gen would be faster as well. That said I got a 3090 because I couldn't get a 3080 for 8+months, and a 3090 became available.

[@savvidisaudio]

I expected something like "don't buy the 4090 because we likely will not introduce DLSS 3.0" but, so I had low expectations. Getting told to might not buy it because of size and power draw has hit it even lower... really don't see the sense behind it, it's super obvious how big a 4090 is because the size is literally in any spec-sheet.

[@onedeadcat]

That lady's stacked, thats a fact. Ain't nothing holding her back. She's a brick house.

[@zainfadhil2588]

Most 3d artist will go for the 4090 considering the 24 gigabyte memory. GPUs are no longer for gammers. Twin 4090s will make a gpu rendering beast.

[@jellowiggler]

Mike's point re: power/performance stand. but the power specs are off. The connectors are cabable of delivering 600W but the stock 4090 FE pulls 450W. ~500 if you clock the snot out of it. That is still a ton of power, but it's not 600W. It's the same as power requirement of the 3090 Ti. The 3080 pulls down 300-350. 3080 Ti and 3090 move up to 400W. The scary thing, besides the price, is that the 4090 isn't the full AD102 chip. The full chip that will go into the 4090 Ti is going to suck down 500W+ I'm sure. yikes! The other thing is that the x090 and x080 are normally the same chip. The 4080 just has parts of it turned off to avoid defects in the die. In the 40 series they are not. The difference between the 4090, 4080 16GB and 4080 12GB will be larger than normal, because they are all based on different chips and have different core counts and mem buses.

[@jjlw2378]

Only Ampere 80 class was a 102 (GA102) die. The 2080 was a TU104 , the 1080 was GP104, and 980 was GM204. 4080 16gb is an AD103. Now the highest skus from each generation are typically 102 dies like, the 2080ti is the TU102, the 1080ti is GP102, and 980ti was actually a GM200. Samsung 8nm was not a good node compared to TSMC and that is why you see the 3090ti/3090/3080ti/3080 all so close in performance, all on the same 102 die. Ampere was the anomaly and not the norm.

[@jellowiggler]

@@jjlw2378 you are absolutely correct. However, it doesn't excuse 70 series performance at 80 series + pricing. Even nvidia saw this. they also saw their exposure to AMD soundly beating a card labelled 80series with a 7700xt.

[@jjlw2378]

@@jellowiggler Agreed. Pricing is very bad. I think it will change (hopefully) once 30 series sells through or AMD forces them to lower prices.

[@TerraWare]

I have the Asus Tuf OC 4090 in a Lian Li Lancool 2 Mesh case it fits just fine and it doesn't consume anywhere near 600W. It's usually around 350 to 450 (similar to my Strix 3080Ti). I've done a little overclocking too it can reach 500w but kind of pointless performance gains aren't worth it. I'm just using an EVGA Supernova 1000GT psu.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

im sure it can do 250w and still better than 3090ti

[@thomasbriscoe5271]

Good to know that you were able to get the 4090 into the Lian Li 2 Mesh case. I have a Lian Li Lancool 205 and will check the specs to see if there’s a big difference.

[@dathyr1]

Amazing - what it would take if I were to have gotten a 4090 GFX card. I just upgraded to the RTX-3080TI and it did fit in my existing PC which I had a GTX-1080p. Price was good now for the GFX card. I am happy with my upgrade and the rest of the system is adequate to power and run the 3080TI. Thanks for the video on the huge size of the 4090. Take care.

[@lashlarue59]

I just bought a used 3090 for $600 and it fits just fine, cooling is OK and power is OK. So I'm not upgrading for a few years.

[@theoracle3747]

Yep - "huge size", and HUGE performance, the latter being the most satisfying aspect.

[@xTurtleOW]

@@lashlarue59 3090 is smaller than 4090. 3090TI is the same size as 4090 and its massive

[@retrosimon9843]

I have a old case that could probably fit 2 4090's end to end.

[@Wolfpounder]

I have a Phantks p400 myself, and you better believe I'm stuffing a 4090 in that thing. If it ends up going south, then I'll just snag a new case. Cases are cheap.

[@toodamnicycold]

NOTE: The 4090 will only hit 600 watt consumption if you plug all 4 pins into it. The 4090 will power on with only 3 pins and will consume around 350-400 watts. The 600 watt consumption is only if you are overclocking which is NOT worth it. You can get away with only 3 pins and it will work just fine.

[@lickrish3930]

Thank for the case consideration,Comfort would be one of my considerations how much heat is A 4090 going to be dumping into the your room.

[@f-22raptor25]

what ends up heating your room is the 450w power usage. The actual chip temp does not matter as some areas of the chip are smaller hence run hotter. 600 is the oc bios

[@lickrish3930]

@@f-22raptor25 I undervolt my GPU 100 watts and still heat up the room, my whole system is 175watts. I would love me some more performance especially for VR. I think I would be making a big mistake going with these high power GPU's. if i can get 3080 performance with 250-275 watts i will get that.

[@hjjr-se5jv]

People who want this card will make the adjustments needed to support the card.

[@jasonmay1978]

I've been building computers since before Amd launched bulldozer which made me an Intel guy for the next 20 years. Anyways. If you have the money for a 4090 then get a Corsair 7000x and then put everything on a custom cooling loop. It's getting easier to do it now days with complete kits available. Or buy a water cooled version like the aorus extreme or the Msi hybrid. My last rig I had my ftw3 hybrid 1080ti on a 240 mm aio using an Nzxt bracket and it ran amazing. Was running elden ring @4k max settings pulling 45fps solid with no dips. The cooler you can keep any PC component the better. Why do you think they use liquid nitrogen to set records?

[@carloscruz7317]

combing the reddit ive already seen broken pci slots and people with cases that dont fit and power supplies that are in anyway sufficient

[@tresnugget]

I think you're drastically overestimating the performance of the 4080. Even the cancelled 12 gb was shown to be slower than the 3090 Ti in Nvidia's own charts when not using DLSS 3.0 which was the only card that approached half the price of the 4090. The 16 gb variant without DLSS 3 looks to be only slightly faster than the 3090 Ti in their charts which makes sense given that it's got 10% less cuda cores than the 3090 Ti but running at a higher clock rate but looking at 4090 OC performance ada loses its performance scaling the higher you go.

[@y_zass]

I almost regret buying a 3080 12gb because of the amount of heat it kicks out. I definitely wouldn't want something that's going to draw even more power yet...

[@ellogicbomba7414]

4090s were clearly designed for mining. Having said that, owning one is awesome and it fits fine in an open air case 🙃

[@r3ady150]

i just bought a strix 1080 ti oc and i happy. wasn’t impressed with my 3070 oc ti which died and traded for a macbook

[@damonm3]

You say over 600w? Haven’t seen that once. I’ve seen 510 but that was maxed out to 133% and volt max too. Normally runs at 300-400w and closer to 300 at most games. So it’s very similar to a 3080ti

[@josvei4052]

We are getting into a "Porsche dilemma" they abandoned the air cooler system, in PC's we should do the same, so RTX 4090 will eventually will need a liquid coolant system for every single piece that generate heat.

[@mtaufiqnmtn]

That will make them even more pricier than they should be

[@josvei4052]

@@mtaufiqnmtn not necessarily, at least not in FPS/$, if your system run cooler your GPU will produce more FPS and that's actually what you are looking for if you want an 4090.

[@jaymelz324]

4090 is not double the cost or power draw of the 4080 16gb. And the performance difference is more than what you’re alluding to

[@PickemMMA]

I have a 3080ti which is more than perfect for my 1440p at high settings for any game out there. I don’t think it is worth upgrading to the 4090 tbh, maybe once they release a 3080ti Or super I maybe consider that

[@tomc1380]

Thanks for the video Michael. I always enjoy these. I currently have a i9 9900k 5Ghz oc watercooled, rtx3090, and 32Gb 3000 ram. If I upgrade to a 4090 will I really see any significant performance improvements with xp11/12? Since xp11/12 is pretty well CPU limited I suspect that any improvements may be pretty marginal. I think we may need new gen +6Ghz CPU's in order to take advantage of the 4090. What do you think mate? Thanks and cheers.

[@paulmers9112]

ryzen 5600 at 4,7 is better than 9900k at 5,0.You need another cpu.I had 10700k at 5.1 and now a 5600 at 4.7.I need the new series intel for this card

[@JoeWayne84]

@@paulmers9112 ryzen 5000 series is dead he should go 13700k if he wants better 1080p performance the 9900k is within 5% of a the ryzen 5000 anyway In a lot of games the 9900k still is faster than the 5000s .

[@uptown710]

Are you running productivity or gaming?

[@benduggan3386]

@@JoeWayne84 how is 5000 dead? Just because 7000 cane out?

[@SahiPie]

@@JoeWayne84 Man really said 5000 is dead

[@harrypotter-mm1jz]

well i fit one MSI trio 4090 at my fractal design meshify the compact med tower not the large version I got a few mm of space and I put the fans from the outside side at the front behind the metal mesh and power drow is very good actually compare to the 3090s and 3090ti and so far very happy. no high temps and no noise at all, coming from a sapphire nitro plus 6800xt and I just run Asrock b550 pro 4 with ryzen 7 5800x no judging here please))))

[@cbonesteaksauce3833]

You know what they say. Once you go 4090, you never go back.

[@roki977]

No more micro builds with most expensive GPU, micro builders will be pissed :)Not to mention that lots of people are gonna need new cpu even for 4k, 1440p for sure if they wont high refresh rate.. RT and dlss 3 will add their part to cpu load for sure. And with that cpu power draw will go even up and they will need to unload 1000$ or more extra for cooling, huge case and new psu, probably 1.2 Kw to be on the save side and new ones will cost extreme for sure... I would rather buy almost new motorcycle for that money and have real fun in life..

[@RBFR01]

Your choice is influenced by money so if you have the money and want one go for it who cares what other people think. I'm getting a 5090 when they come out.

[@fabianmennel4478]

I have a HAF 700 EVO, space isn't really a problem

[@h4ck3d]

I would NEVER use a gpu this size horizontally

[@pjbunnyru]

монстр, просто гигантская карта. надежда только на то, что 4080 будут меньше по размерам. у меня мэш 55 с водоблоком на лицевой части, гигабайти аорус 3070 ti и блок питания на 850 ватт, если 40-я серия будет большой, пошлю нах эту серию. куплю 3080 ti и забью на всё на 3-4 года.

[@ladyhawk7408]

for a lot of people you wont just be buying a 4090.... you are going to be buying a 4090 a case a power supply possibly a motherboard if you have a MicroATX. this is for most people going to be a 2700 dollar upgrade at least.

[@basook6116]

too expensive; high TDP, need whole system

[@tombulva]

Sorry for the naive question ... Is it a bad idea to buy a used RTX 3090 right now ??? The prices have dropped drastically, and this card will probably be on top for a long time (of course to be used with XP12 ;-) )

[@xforcepc]

No, but the new ones are only about $900-ish. If you get a used one, you will want to try to avoid a mining card.

[@tombulva]

@@xforcepc That's right. Worth considering. Is it important which manufacturer to buy the 3090Ti ??? Model etc. Is it basically insignificant, small differences ??

[@jdbarney]

@@tombulva I'm sure Michael will answer your question, but I thought I would chime in since I upgraded from a 2080Ti to a 3090Ti recently. I ultimately selected an Asus card for one reason - dual HDMI ports. I have two physical G1000 displays from Virtual Fly that I use for my avionics in flight sim (shameless plug - I purchased them from Michael). They natively use HDMI connections and I didn't want to add any adapters to convert to DisplayPort.

[@m8x425]

The 3090ti has a better Power delivery system (VRM's) to the GPU chip.... on top of using single sided VRAM... 2gb modules. The problem with the regular 3090 is all models use dual sided VRAM. That's a 1gb module on both the front and back of the card. The VRAM modules on the backside have trouble staying cool. The primary problem here is the GDDR6x VRAM runs hot. I have an EVGA FTW3 3080ti, and if I game at 4k then the VRAM gets up to 86c (single sided). EVGA did an exceptional job with the VRAM cooling on their FTW3 cards. The other problem is the mining part. Most people mined Ethereum, which is memory intensive and hard on the VRAM. Miners also got a better hashrate by overclocking the memory, which makes the memory run hotter. Some miners don't know Jack about overclocking, and some of them lack experience with computer hardware, so they may not have known to check temperatures or know what temperatures are acceptable. There are people that will defend miners by saying they downclocked and undervolted the card.... but that's only the GPU Core... and not all miners did this. GDDR6x runs hot and it's a whole other animal. Personally I would recommend a new card if you can afford it, because it's going to come with a warranty. Most Board partners require proof of purchase to do warranty repair. Also, a new card isn't going to be abused.

[@tombulva]

@@m8x425 So it's better 3090 or 3090Ti ??? (apart from the aspect of my wallet ;-)

[@MrPirateking619]

I feel like the people whi can buy the 4090 can very well afford a decent case dat ll b the least of their concern lol

[@phillipzx3754]

And this is why I won't build a system using a vertically mounted motherboard.

[@wakingfromslumber9555]

The heat that these Nvidia graphics cards are throwing out of the case is absolutely absurd and cannot be healthy to anyone sitting around the desk. I don’t think it’s talked about enough in reviews. Imagine now the heat dissipated with 4090 and its 600 watts consumption it’s going to be totally untenable to use your computer for more than half hour.

[@theoracle3747]

My 4090's not noticeably warmer than my 3090 was. Just not a problem.

[@DJaquithFL]

Underneath that ridiculously sized shroud the PCB on an RTX 4090 is actually dinky. I'm water cooling, I can fit it in practically any case if it wanted to. Regarding a PSU, I'm starting from scratch, I'm going with a Seasonic 1600W. My only real completely valid complaint is DisplayPort 1.4a versus DisplayPort 2.0 which is completely asinine. My 175Hz 3440x1440 monitor can't even run at 10-bit, instead, I'm stuck at 8-bit. I'm not a fan of G-Sync over HDMI. 2.1 and there's no way I'm running my monitor using DSC. Unfortunately, that is assuming I can get the RTX 4090 I want, it's probably going to be sitting in the box for a month or two or three. Alder Lake was a pain because you cannot get fast DDR5 kits and those you could get were junk and insanely overpriced. They're not ready for this lunch either. There's still a shortage of "fast" (7200+) DDR5, it's still expensive and there's no PSUs readily available using dual 12VHPWR. Totally the cart before the horse yet again.

[@DJaquithFL]

.. I'm replacing my current OLED monitor with one of the newer ones that are 240 Hz to 260 Hertz at 3440 x1440. I don't think that the RTX 4080 can drive that monitor with the 1% lows that I want. There's nothing more annoying than stutter.

[@Biggerbyte]

I don't get it. I have a 3090ti. Mr room never gets hot. It plays everything I throw at it. Many people suggested the 3090 is too much for gamers. So, what about the 4090?

[@theoracle3747]

There will always be nay-sayers, no matter what it is. My guess is that the people who bashed 3090s couldn't afford one, so they had to come up with a reason they didn't need one. If something will improve the performance of my PC, I'll probably buy it.

[@shorty808100]

i'm fine with my RTX 3080 Ti that i have atm mine's a 2.5 slot card

[@randipoling635]

"Wont fit, its impossible..." "Cant get enough cooling..." Sir... Where theres a will, theres a way...... Also.... That radiator positioning triggered me.

[@xforcepc]

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[@xforcepc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZDSo6KHpNR8g68

[@NickNov]

You can undervolt and we will see how that goes

[@iseeyou1312]

The 4090 is not going to be 20% better than the 4080 16gb. It's around 40% faster (1.82x a 3090 vs 1.3x). Which makes sense as the 4080 16gb is more like a 4070 given it's tiny die (379 mm^2) and tiny 256 bit bus. For whatever reason, Nvidia has priced this generation so people will either buy the 4090 or Ampere. The 4080 cards are meant to be a joke that people should avoid, for now anyway. The cards people should be waiting for are RDNA 3, which look like they'll be faster than Lovelace at rasterization and be significantly cheaper. The 4090 is also 450 watts, not 600. It seems to get to well above 3 ghz when OC'd above 500 watts, so OCing it to over 600 would just be a waste of power. Likely the card can also be undervolted to 350-400 watts but retain most of the performance anyway.

[@BonanzaPilot]

you have the radiator in the front of the 400 and on the top of the 500

[@xforcepc]

Won't fit in the top of the 400. Mobo VRMs get in the way. We are moving in n from the 400 for this reason.

[@BonanzaPilot]

@@xforcepc Interesting. I run a 240mm in the top of my P360A case. It is tight but it fits. I would have thought the 400 would have just as much room but maybe not.

[@Iloveturtles]

Great video

[@EagleOne49]

Excellent video. You've answered my questions. I'm currently running a 2080ti. It sounds like the 4080 will do the trick. Thanks.

[@gandalfurisotherworldly7909]

I understand there are those that have to have the latest and greatest all the time but to be honest Im not sure this graphics card will age very well and I suspect it will be looked back on as a huge misstep for nvdia IMO the biggest offender isnt even the size of this thing its the power draw in a world where the consoles draw around 200w its rediculous to have a system COMPONENT drawing WELL over double that Ill probably wait til next generation to upgade, furthermore after the EVGA fiasco Im not even sure Im gonna go Nvidia anymore they seem to be leaning towards that ps3 era sony/Apple on a regular day vibes, and I dont like handing my money to a company that clearly thinks it can get away with whatever it wants

[@LowBlow]

So buy a case that comes with a GPU support bracket like the Fractal Design Torrent. As a VR user 4090 is a day 1 buy for me.

[@theoracle3747]

Aftermarket GPU supports are everywhere now on the web. Most of these cards are so big they need it - mobo slots aren't designed to hold this much weight.

[@dhawk5712]

yikes, im glad I made the choice and bought my 3080 12gb Strix, I plan on skipping this generation and maybe wait til 50 or maybe 60 series

[@josvei4052]

4090 will be need if you want to push the frame rates close to the limits of the VR headsets.... Actually that's the only reason to get the new cards, it won't make musch sense to play on 4k-144hz-3ms monitors which will be very expensive or play at 1440 at 300fps when your eyes won't catch more that 100hz

[@JasonSturgess]

LG C1 OLED Here 4k 120FPS is the reason I want one.

[@josvei4052]

@@JasonSturgess that's a TV not exactly a Monitor, but it will work, if that's the kind of image you want and as most games won't produce HDR anyway, I will aim at a BenQ proyector which produce an acceptable gaming image but in a +100" size at lower cost than an LG OLED TV, and that will bring you a hell of immersion. If you have the resources get a a BenQ LK936ST For a 200" 4k image, yes TWO HUNDRED inches "Screen Size" that is actually probable and can even be use outside.

[@JasonSturgess]

@@josvei4052 Its not a TV its a Gaming Monitor in fact one of the best ones you can buy read up on them C1 & C2 LG OLED , Run at 120mhz at 4K , I also use it for Photoshop and Premier pro. once you use a screen like that you won't ever go back to 27" again

[@ofensatul]

@@JasonSturgess i'd argue that 3440x1440 ULTRaWIDE gaming is the best , i don't want to use couch mode or burn my eyes on a tv sized monitor. it ain't it man but you do you :)

[@bjornkroger6860]

There was a detailed and extensive test of the 4090 by "The Bauer". During this test it shows, that the 4090 has less power consumption than the 3090 or 3080 by much more performance. Look at the graphics in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ_QqqWPiL94hKc.

[@xforcepc]

Yeah, it looks like the 600W will be some outlier AIB cards. The Founders card looks like it caps around 400W. AIB card reviews go up today.

[@07wrxtr1]

Phantex Enthoo Pro 2 Full Tower - the end all be all case. Buy it and be done with it.

[@DizConnected]

Thats why I'm going to try and get a RTX 4090 founders edition, it is ONLY 3 slot thickness, and if actually SHORTER than the RTX 3090 Founders card. Also I have been hearing that the RTX 4090 has a LOT less power spikes than the 3090 does, and just might be okay working with a 850W or lower power supply, I will try it with my SF 750 Platinum if I manage to get a RTX 4090 founders. Don't worry, I have a AX1500i just in case it does have issues. I just need Corsair to release that 600W GPU power cable they have listed on their site for these PSUs, just not in stock yet.

[@f-22raptor25]

. With an efficent cpu 750 should be fine. typically you can also undervolt and still keep 98%+ the stock performance. might be able to save up to 50-100w

[@stevenross-watt8640]

The cable has been released and out of stock a few times supposedly. It appears in stock and then straight back pit of stock shortly after. Good luck.

[@Sim737Pilot]

@@f-22raptor25 Don't forget about pwr supply inefficiences, so best to build with a "buffer" to account for that.

[@genreaper]

I put a split system aircon in my room with my 3090. I know what you are saying.

[@davidhorobin1060]

Very wise comment

[@systemachic]

thanks BRo

[@JacobTJ1]

You do want to get RTX 4090 if you are playing MSFS which most of us are, that is a power hungry game/sim

[@CharonSin]

I don’t completely agree. Will see from the benchmarks but I don’t think the 4080 16gig is going to be much better (maybe 20%) than a 3090ti and you take a step down in vram for the 4080. The price of the 4080 is supposed to be $1,299 so only $300 less than a 4090.A 4080 costs more than a 3090ti. The 4090 is the only option to get. So I would say stick with the less expensive 3090ti. I still think the 4090 is overpriced by a couple hundred bucks. Same with the 4080. Even with inflation.

[@CR055FIRE]

the bigger the heatsink the better

[@AñdyOmar]

why not compare it to a 3090 or 3090ti.......you know that 3080 is significantly smaller than a 3090......

[@しょー-q3k]

You'll break the M/B. It's stupidly big lmao.

[@SnowWhite-dr6xh]

Thanks, old timer. Cards these days, hey?

[@JonnyMainframe]

Calling it a card is not accurate anymore! That is crazy the size

[@jkell411]

The fans are going to be working really hard to get the heat out? Maybe when doing some crazy overclocking... My 3090 Ti does fine with the fans pretty low in my similarly sized case. I bet the 4090 will be pretty close to the same.

[@tech1nocat]

Until game technology catches up these cards are a waste of time and money, i’ve got a 3090 leftover from mining and it runs everything on ultra, this should be a flop series card because there is no need for it, evga maybe knew something we didn’t 😀

[@xforcepc]

In my testing, I am finding lots of cpu bottlenecks, but very few gpu bottlenecks.

[@sobrevoandobra]

The future? We wiil need fisical area and electric power comparable to ENIAC 😎🤣

[@josvei4052]

Unless you implement liquid coolant, pump and radiator for GPU, CPU, Memory and storage, but yes the utility bill will kill us... If the come with solar panels it could actually work though, or one of those futuristic miniature Molten Salt Nuclear Reactors.

[@davidmullet1030]

Ha mike I think you blocked my phone some how about 3years ago .Can you check and unblock?

[@JohnCurtisPiano]

love da flannel

[@DosBlade]

Duh not for X plane 11/12 the game after all these years is so CPU bound its no fun.

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

"We're gunna need a bigger Case". Lol, nah that size and power draw is not for me. Maybe wait for the 3080TI prices to drop or wait and see what the new RDNA 3 cards are like. I belive they don't need or use the crazy amount of power that the 4 series cards require. My son has the AMD 6800XT card and it's outperforming his mates 3080 in MS 2020. Cheaper too!!

[@NOWitsOKto]

Rumor has it? .... Mis in for ma tion. You are spectulating. Let me spectulate a second. Most people buying a 4090... A. Don't care about the power draw (funny that you compared the MAX draw of the 4090 to the required for the 4080, oopsie) B. People buying a 4090 will more that likely buy a case that can easily support its size. I'll stop at just two point to keep this "click bait" video comment short.

[@flightsimdeskuk]

The 4090 has 16,384 CUDA Cores, while the 4080 uses 7,680 CUDA cores in the 12GB model and 9,728 CUDA Cores in the 16GB model. That is a huge difference. Much more than the difference between a 3080 and a 3090. In most games, at 4K you should therefore see 60-70% improvement in performance over the 3080 16Gb, and even more over the 12gb model. Well, as long as the CPU doesn't bottleneck it. With XP12 though, it is very poorly optimised currently. Even a RTX 3080 Ti is bottlenecked by a Ryzen 5800X3D in XP12 at the moment. It is in beta though, so some optimisation to be done.