NVIDIA Got Rid of the Glue: Tear-Down of the RTX 4090, Power Design, & Adapter Cables

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In this one, we're working with Malcolm from the Thermal Engineering team and Qi (PM) to talk about power design, thermal design, transients, cables, and more for the RTX 4090. This is the last of the 4090 FE videos for now, though we'll have more GPU reviews soon (including partner models) and some AM5 Ryzen 7000 content.
Watch the other video with Malcolm on thermal design (and cutting the 4090 cooler in half) over here: • Cutting an NVIDIA RTX ...
Watch our review of the RTX 4090 Founders Edition here: • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 409...
And our deeper dive on the cooler and cable here: • EVGA Left At the Right...
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - No More Glue, Drills, and Heat Guns
03:17 - Backside Comes Off
04:26 - Why Different Sized Screws?
05:20 - Thermal Engineering Lesson on the Fans
08:05 - YOINK
09:15 - Thermal Interface Engineering Choices
10:40 - A Pain to Malcolm's Thermal Existence
13:26 - Removing the Fans
14:50 - Is There Any Glue?
15:30 - The Worst Part
17:50 - Self-Centering Discussion
19:20 - Electrical Engineering Design & Discussion
21:22 - Memory Locations & Power Density
23:49 - Phase Design
24:32 - The 12-Pin Connector
28:05 - Addressing the Cable Durability
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Host: Steve Burke
Video: Andrew Coleman
Guests: Malcolm Gutenburg (Thermal Engineer at NVIDIA), Qi Lin (Product Manager at NVIDIA)

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@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
This is the last RTX 4090 video right now, but we have some partner model reviews and tear-downs coming up. We're also working on more Ryzen 7000 and AM5 content and very excited to try out some new test equipment! Watch the other video with Malcolm on thermal design (and cutting the 4090 cooler in half) over here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWXPeZqJgqeZbpI Watch our review of the RTX 4090 Founders Edition here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGrZdGyEd7FrsNE And our deeper dive on the cooler and cable here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ64k2ypebhssNk
@donoteatmikezila
@donoteatmikezila Жыл бұрын
>This is the last RTX 4090 video right now Thank you. I mean this is great and all and you're doing a good job, but I'm all out of fucks to give about these video cards that cost more than the entire rest of my computer.
@craigmiller332
@craigmiller332 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve!
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
@@donoteatmikezila We always do a lot of videos about new parts right when they come out. It's just been two years since a major launch cycle, so you may not have seen it before. Not every video is for everyone and we try to rotate through topics quickly.
@ERROR-hf3wx
@ERROR-hf3wx Жыл бұрын
I am so excited for partner cards reviews, please spend a good amount of time on water-cooling variants.
@Aurora12488
@Aurora12488 Жыл бұрын
​@@GamersNexus On the flip side, I for one have been loving the recent 4090 content! Big CPU/GPU launches only come ever so often, and so it's been really fun following your coverage of these recent ones (Zen 4 & RTX 4000).
@valen961
@valen961 Жыл бұрын
Engineers should be allowed to talk more with the public... I don't understand most of what they say but I could listen for hours.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
It really does seem like Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA are all experimenting with this idea. Hopefully they stick with it!
@polarfr_st
@polarfr_st Жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Wdym? Also sus ooc. 😳
@samuelkdu
@samuelkdu Жыл бұрын
as long as its not Raja Koduri
@brando3342
@brando3342 Жыл бұрын
@@samuelkdu It’s much better when their job is not in public relations. The guys getting paid to sell the cards to people always sound fake, and scripted. Actual engineers just talk like regular people who really love their job.
@steveredstone1711
@steveredstone1711 Жыл бұрын
Those engineers work for public companies. Public companies don't like unplanned talks or talks like this because stuff might "slip" from talkers' mouths like future plans. Obviously, there is also money side of it...
@MultiMojo
@MultiMojo Жыл бұрын
GN has some serious street cred - it's rare to see a multi-billion corp like Nvidia send over a Principal PM and a design engineer to talk about their product in such detail. We should be thankful to the GN crew for the hard work they've put in over the years to deep dive into these products. Hope other channels take note and follow suit, over parroting spec sheets.
@mikeymaiku
@mikeymaiku Жыл бұрын
@@pistolfied lol nvidia also needs to go the extra mile after the situation involingthier prices and the rtx 30 series lineup in general
@pfefferle74
@pfefferle74 Жыл бұрын
It's marketing. Having someone from their engineering team in the video allows them some control over the content. Same when they had the Intel guys over for their ARC cards.
@dejangrbec
@dejangrbec Жыл бұрын
@@pfefferle74 Exactly, they are not sending people to Steve just to give him a favour. But anyway, you can tell that they are very passioned about their job.
@grzzltn
@grzzltn Жыл бұрын
I've been following a few tech channels over the years, but I ended up with Games Nexus alone remaining (along with a few other retro-tech youtubers), great quality content, good work ethics, everything I wish to support
@bits2646
@bits2646 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, and it's not common to see the product ripped apart in front of them :DD
@Speakeazi
@Speakeazi Жыл бұрын
The LPL (Lock Picking Lawyer) reference from the Nvidia engineer was great. 17:44
@gelfie2208
@gelfie2208 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding
@on99kfc
@on99kfc Жыл бұрын
a little click out of one
@TheGerudan
@TheGerudan Жыл бұрын
"I'm the Lock Picking Lawyer and what I have for you today is the RTX 4090 Founders Edition."
@nexusyang4832
@nexusyang4832 Жыл бұрын
@@TheGerudan we don't need to give LPL video ideas. 🤣
@2ATac
@2ATac Жыл бұрын
Bloody amazing! Caught that immediately!
@ZomgZomg007
@ZomgZomg007 Жыл бұрын
Lol I love how excited and proud he was of the contact when the gpu was pulled out
@phz5705
@phz5705 Жыл бұрын
As a mechanical engineer I completely get his reaction. After you spend weeks/months/years developing a process and it comes out the way you've worked so hard to achieve, it's hard not to get proud and excited!
@enva1n
@enva1n Жыл бұрын
This guy is great
@dinosoarskill17
@dinosoarskill17 Жыл бұрын
i don't do anything as crazy as this guy does, but designing something and seeing it go successfully into production like that is such a great feeling. it's like the fruit of your labors.
@brando3342
@brando3342 Жыл бұрын
How happy he was about the contact accuracy was super wholesome haha You can tell he loves his job. Good stuff 👌
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
Super genuine reaction too since engineers probably don't get to do any QC off the line!
@jst_TV
@jst_TV Жыл бұрын
@ 8:39 if anyone else is wondering
@pheelix-
@pheelix- Жыл бұрын
Pay no attention to the QUAL SAMPLE stamped on the GPU, there is nothing to see here. Nivida: Triple check those contacts before heading over to GN.
@longnamedude3947
@longnamedude3947 Жыл бұрын
@@pheelix- Qualifying Sample, It doesn't necessarily mean Nvidia went cherry picking GPU's for hours on end, that would cost time & money that someone could spend doing other things. I am not saying you are wrong, but, I am saying that it is unlikely Nvidia need to be that pedantic over it, especially as if something that gets this hot and draws this much power is mounted unevenly then you'll have massive thermal deltas across the die.
@yomofoindahouse
@yomofoindahouse Жыл бұрын
You really don't understand that it was a marketing trick to form your opinion?
@SomeoneDK
@SomeoneDK Жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, on your silver IFixit mini screwdriver, there's a hole by the top, to put the extension through it. That will give you all the torque you need by making into a T handle. The more you know... 😁
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
Ha! Cool. Never noticed. Thank you!
@SomeoneDK
@SomeoneDK Жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexusThose old screw driver kits are the best. If I lost mine, I think I would just close up my store 🤣
@the_retag
@the_retag Жыл бұрын
@@SomeoneDK so not available anymore :( ?
@SomeoneDK
@SomeoneDK Жыл бұрын
@@the_retag Unfortunately no. I got mine about 8 years ago.
@ShroudedWolf51
@ShroudedWolf51 Жыл бұрын
@@SomeoneDK Yeah, not anymore. Got mine a few years ago and it doesn't have that option. Oh well.
@sigy4ever
@sigy4ever Жыл бұрын
6:07 He was instructed to do this personally by Nvidia CEO as a message from them to Steve
@mrsnoo86
@mrsnoo86 Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@mastaw
@mastaw Жыл бұрын
Glad I'm not the only one who saw that lol
@TheQuiescentGamer
@TheQuiescentGamer Жыл бұрын
This video made me smile because both Malcom and Qi were happy to discuss, demonstrate and elaborate on various aspects of the card whilst having fun doinig so. I love this stuff, thank you Steve and everybody at GN for providing amazing content!
@philippvelimirovic2284
@philippvelimirovic2284 Жыл бұрын
that Lock picking Lawyer reference at 17:45 😅
@draggonhedd
@draggonhedd Жыл бұрын
I love how he was so diplomatic in basically saying "That decision is not my department lol" when questionable design decisions were brought up.
@nkl7345
@nkl7345 Жыл бұрын
"wasn't me, chief"
@adamblomberg
@adamblomberg Жыл бұрын
This just so much better communication than apple and the improvements on both communication and design is clearly intentional. I like that they're honest about them focusing on aesthetics and still manage to make it disassemble without any roadblocks like glue.
@kain0m
@kain0m Жыл бұрын
That is just life as an engineer. We often wonder how the heck we ended up with certain constraints, but our job is to make our part to specification - even if we think we know a better solution. Bring it up to the relevant team, and let them decide if your idea is worth pursuing. Afterwards, talking smack is reserved for the coffee tables.
@killercat268
@killercat268 Жыл бұрын
It was super cool that NVIDIA is collabing with you in the technical discussion. Seems like they've got some great talent working for them. This video was a treat!
@danimayb
@danimayb Жыл бұрын
@@pistolfied The bosses sent them there for marketing purposes lol. No doubt a "repair" strategy to calm the waters of the storm that's been raging in the public domain.. And try stop the rot of their dwindling share prices. That 4080 U-Turn was amazing! Never seen Nvidia react to public opinion like that before.
@adamblomberg
@adamblomberg Жыл бұрын
I have to give Nvidia credit, this is so much better than before, and they're not smug like apple coming with BS excuses and saying it's our fault.
@93836
@93836 Жыл бұрын
@@adamblomberg Still hung up on the iPhone 4 antenna, huh 😂
@andreasniedam9945
@andreasniedam9945 Жыл бұрын
Don't be so naive. At the same time, this is a PR event for Nvidia. They're not totally moronic themselves. The company knows the basics of what they're doing. They for sure went through all the stuff that can be brought up in public beforehand - there are still things called company secrets - and obviously would not send a total asshole to take part in a PR event in front of a media outlet and customers. This engineer had some sort of training in that regard too.
@adamblomberg
@adamblomberg Жыл бұрын
@@93836 the butterfly keyboard too
@FandangoJon
@FandangoJon Жыл бұрын
A great reminder that a company can be really shitty, but the people that work there can be awesome. Love the insight... it's like director commentary for a disassemble. Thanks for doing what you do, GN.
@AhuizotlXiuh
@AhuizotlXiuh Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a problem that could be solved by employee ownership. Instead of being accountable to out of touch execs and shareholders trying to cut corners to make more money the people who know and do the work should get a say in the decisions.
@goldenhate6649
@goldenhate6649 Жыл бұрын
@@AhuizotlXiuh Unfortunately that is not how a publicly traded company works, nor is it how investment works. Employee ownership has next to no investment benefit to a company, so there is very little driver for that. While it is the pipe dream of every armchair socialist in existence, its simply just not how raising capital works. Employer/employee relationships just don't work like they did 70 years ago. People don't work at a place long enough in many cases for the company to want to take that route. That being said, I am not against employee ownership, but you have to understand why these companies operate how they do, and that employees are often not considered stakeholders.
@maegnificant
@maegnificant Жыл бұрын
@@AhuizotlXiuh sounds like communism to me
@ciekce
@ciekce Жыл бұрын
@@maegnificant and
@crylune
@crylune 4 ай бұрын
@@goldenhate6649 So TL'DR capitalism is garbage and what you said is exactly why these companies get away with releasing bullshit year over year. Cool, thanks. Muh profits n margins.
@DurzoBlunts
@DurzoBlunts Жыл бұрын
His emotions when the PCB was pulled from the vapor chamber hahaha. He went through fear disbelief and then uncontained joy from seeing his product work as engineered. So cool Thanks GN
@Quizack
@Quizack Жыл бұрын
That smile on Qi’s face when Steve talked about overclocking lol. Like an evil genius ready to show off his shrink ray. 😂
@S.Madman
@S.Madman Жыл бұрын
This feels like an old 80's computer equipment "how it's made" video. Where they would detail manufacturing design, challenges, and eventual assembly of computer components. It's a lot of fun, and educational to watch.
@MrDamonLeBeouf
@MrDamonLeBeouf Жыл бұрын
much better content than 98% of all of streaming media.
@carnsoaks1
@carnsoaks1 Жыл бұрын
Yes!the good old magazines, and cd-rom attachments with video essays for you to download at home.
@phoenix0153
@phoenix0153 Жыл бұрын
Next video: "15 fun things you can do with glue! Its not just for video cards! Who knew!"
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
#1 - glue your CPU cooler to your motherboard!
@backseatpolitician
@backseatpolitician Жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus What a great idea! Yolo bro! Am i rite?
@MafiaboysWorld
@MafiaboysWorld Жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Already done! Seperate issue...how do you remove CPU coolers from a motherboard after using Gorilla Grip? Asking for a friend.
@guyincognito566
@guyincognito566 Жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus #2 Glue a 7 over an 8.
@flyingpj
@flyingpj Жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus can we get a video on this?
@BrazenBob
@BrazenBob Жыл бұрын
My favourite part of GPU releases... Steve ripping them apart
@JosiahBradley
@JosiahBradley Жыл бұрын
And he doesn't just rip them apart physically.
@angellike2234
@angellike2234 Жыл бұрын
I have been an Engineer for 40 years in and about the computer industry and enjoyed this whole video.
@EkiToji
@EkiToji Жыл бұрын
Yeah it was great hearing him talk about transmission line stuff when talking about the VRAM. I haven't done one in over a decade but made me think of bounce diagrams and lots of stuff I don't use but is good to know.
@Cptkiller2010
@Cptkiller2010 Жыл бұрын
You can really tell just how passionate the thermal engineer is at 8:45. Gotta feel good to see something you've worked on perform well, and in front of an audience too!
@Ericxx-yx4rk
@Ericxx-yx4rk Жыл бұрын
It's like a company, for the first time in history, sent an actual tech expert. This is a much better way of pulling in the enthusiast crowd. Good job GN and Nvidia. EDIT: Watching more of the video, this should be the way vendors handle hardware deep dives going forward, no exceptions.
@GamesFromSpace
@GamesFromSpace Жыл бұрын
As somebody a company like that might send, no thank you.
@iamnizorro9781
@iamnizorro9781 Жыл бұрын
@@GamesFromSpace hahhaa, agreed!
@TheOmegaRiddler
@TheOmegaRiddler Жыл бұрын
This is probably in response to Intel doing this a couple months ago.
@arsenal4444
@arsenal4444 Жыл бұрын
@@GamesFromSpace I hope these representatives are handsomely compensated for how much they're doing for Nvidia's public image with these super detailed breakdowns
@GamesFromSpace
@GamesFromSpace Жыл бұрын
@@arsenal4444 Likely not. They would be salaried, and this would just be "other duties".
@Ganiscol
@Ganiscol Жыл бұрын
These two gentleman have great screen presence and Steve playing ball with them by asking the good questions makes this one heck of an informative and entertaining video! Three 👍 from me.
@Owl90
@Owl90 Жыл бұрын
Malcolm is really funny and entertaining. You guys should definitely do more videos together, even if not Nvidia related.
@hustleacc8075
@hustleacc8075 Жыл бұрын
Yeah please let‘s have an Nvidia engineer talk about RDNA3
@NotAnAlchemist_Ed
@NotAnAlchemist_Ed Жыл бұрын
@@hustleacc8075 As funny as it would be, I'm pretty sure an engineer would sing praises to a competitor's solution to a problem he may have faced.
@mathiascarlsson7674
@mathiascarlsson7674 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video and the added bonus of having the engineers there to talk about the construction, great stuff. It's when seeing this and listening to them that you start to get an idea of the resources and work and consequently money that goes into creating and designing a finished card, mindblowing.
@Pratalax
@Pratalax Жыл бұрын
Malcom's enthusiasm really was a treat! Couldn't help but smile.
@The_SonicPELICAN
@The_SonicPELICAN Жыл бұрын
Now this is an interesting turn of events. Nvidia turning up for a tear down with engineering personnel.
@AnCoSt1
@AnCoSt1 Жыл бұрын
guess they're proud of this one
@xcbrr50
@xcbrr50 Жыл бұрын
I mean they dont want intel stealing the show
@jakemichael6742
@jakemichael6742 Жыл бұрын
AMD coming in hot lol
@Splarkszter
@Splarkszter Жыл бұрын
meanwhile their board partners(slaves) are suffering in the backyard
@meknowu1
@meknowu1 Жыл бұрын
@@Splarkszter I mean bit disingenuous to call them slaves but yeh what they did to their AIBs is not good and they should compensate them at least in part for the change to the 4080 12gb.
@93836
@93836 Жыл бұрын
I really like this Malcolm kid. He’s funny, personable, and smart. I hope Nvidia keeps him for a long time and this becomes a recurring thing to see him making the rounds on KZbin channels. This is one of the most entertaining tear-down videos GN has made in recent memory.
@mattpierce5009
@mattpierce5009 Жыл бұрын
Love videos like this - not only for the nerdy content, but because it reminds us that there really are humans working at these huge companies trying to do a good job. +1 to Malcolm and GN
@zwenkwiel816
@zwenkwiel816 Жыл бұрын
Evil humans, I mean it's still Nvidia XD
@katech6020
@katech6020 Жыл бұрын
@@zwenkwiel816 the evil persons are PR, marketing, shareholders and management.
@cameron5249
@cameron5249 Жыл бұрын
It's marketing
@mattpierce5009
@mattpierce5009 Жыл бұрын
​@@cameron5249 Of course it is. As an adult who understands why marketing exists and doesn't just auto-trigger at the word, I see it as a good thing that marketing looks like this instead of something more vapid and pointless.
@andreasniedam9945
@andreasniedam9945 Жыл бұрын
Don't be so naive. At the same time, this is a PR event for Nvidia. They're not totally moronic themselves. The company knows the basics of what they're doing. They for sure went through all the stuff that can be brought up in public beforehand - there are still things called company secrets - and obviously would not send a total asshole to take part in a PR event in front of a media outlet and customers. This engineer had some sort of training in that regard too.
@TheBatracho
@TheBatracho Жыл бұрын
Commenting again after doing so on last waterjet video. This type of content is awesome, the fact that you can get these people on your channel is incredible. It’s also great to see how much the engineers actually love what they do. 10/10.
@RaydeusMX
@RaydeusMX Жыл бұрын
This is extremely interesting. Personally I'll probably skip the 4000 series, but I really appreciate the engineering and design that goes into a top of the line card like this.
@Nickxis
@Nickxis Жыл бұрын
you would skip the biggest leap in between generations? why? I'm guessing you already have GPU powerful enough for your needs right now?
@tiestofalljays
@tiestofalljays Жыл бұрын
@@Nickxis It’s a big performance improvement, yes. It is impressive, yes. However, my 30-series GPU acquisition emptied my PC-building fun money wallet for this gen. Plus, the RTX 30-series is still no slouch, especially at 3440x1440. I am hoping I can hold off until the RTX 6090. Nvidia please don’t get rid of the naming scheme!!! I’m serious lol. By that time, I’m expecting to want to upgrade both my GPU and my monitor.
@metroided34
@metroided34 Жыл бұрын
@@Nickxis List 5 games that need a 4000 series to be playable.
@soapghostroach
@soapghostroach Жыл бұрын
@@metroided34 Maybe all 5 at once?
@metroided34
@metroided34 Жыл бұрын
@@b.t4604 Even with a 4090 i doubt it can run that shitheap at 8k lmao. also 1
@sadieperry
@sadieperry Жыл бұрын
Hey Gamer Nexus! Okay, so my husband absolutely loves your channel and understands a great deal about technology. However I, on the other hand, cannot say the same for myself at all. I can tell you about music, art and literature... yet not one useful thing about computers because I'm an idiot. Anyway, I mean this with absolutely no offense and ALL love: I appreciate nothing more than falling asleep to you explaining all these complicated devices while he watches your videos with complete and utter focus and understanding. Thank you kindly for curing my insomnia. The sound/cadence of your voice is like a soothing bedtime story for me.
@flyingpj
@flyingpj Жыл бұрын
lovely anecdote
@smilingbandit6900
@smilingbandit6900 Жыл бұрын
Steve putting women to sleep world wide^^ next level up
@NotAnAlchemist_Ed
@NotAnAlchemist_Ed Жыл бұрын
Steve's ASMR channel
@infornogr4phy
@infornogr4phy Жыл бұрын
Don't call yourself an idiot for not understanding something. It just means you lack knowledge on a particular subject. Acknowledging lack of knowledge isn't what an idiot does.
@bleack8701
@bleack8701 Жыл бұрын
Even if you understand it his candence and tone still manages to put me to sleep if I'm tired. And I mean this in the nicest way possible
@jolness1
@jolness1 Жыл бұрын
As an engineer, love the internal engineering take. His excitement on the TIM contact pitch is so relatable. Nothing like the feeling when your work is perfect lol. This is the card I want, the 4080 is so cut down and I feel like perf delta makes the 4090 worth it. Power draw is absurd though
@stevenjohnson1692
@stevenjohnson1692 Жыл бұрын
By what we know so far the 4090 is looking like the best bang for your buck which traditionally is lower end cards because of the diminishing returns of higher end hardware. Just like how they are renaming the 3080 12gb to a lower card, the 4080 spec wise seems more like a 4070. Hopefully there will be super or Ti variations that will close that gap with having lower prices. Hopefully AMD really competes this gen to maybe fuel my previous hopes.
@endless2239
@endless2239 Жыл бұрын
isn't this card like the new AMD CPUs anyway? where you can get like 95% of performance for 75% powerdraw, they are basically factory overclocked so just undervolthem a little bit.
@kingplunger6033
@kingplunger6033 Жыл бұрын
The 4090 is decent, still ovepriced, and the 80s are so atrocious, even according to nvidias own charts, that the 4090 suddenly looks like its good value. Its insane, thats what it is
@jolness1
@jolness1 Жыл бұрын
@@endless2239 yes. I think how hard they pushed the card out of its efficiency zone speaks to their concerns about AMD. I will likely end up doing that, mainly just because of the extra heat that is generated. Power is cheap here and 60% of the states power comes from Hydro, wind or solar so I don’t feel as bad using a bunch of electricity and I don’t game that much, most of myDesktop usage is on my MacBook that work issued me for programming. But I just don’t wanna deal with having a space heater in my office
@jolness1
@jolness1 Жыл бұрын
@@kingplunger6033 Given the performance versus the cost, it’s a better value than the 3090 Ti was but yes, not a good value. The 4080 is so nerfed that it’s a worse value. I was planning to buy a 3080 founders edition because I love the look of the card to replace my 1080 TI but I was not able to even get the chance to buy one at retail Until about two months ago. I decided to wait. I had a 4090 in my cart at Best Buy but decided to not buy it because I hadn’t seen the benchmarks for the 4080. My preference would be a smaller card the draws less power but It is so cut down from the 4090 that I would feel like I was getting screwed even more than I normally do. I’m interested to see what AMD does but there is no way they will get close on Ray tracing performance. Unless they are able to pull off a 4x increase over the 6000 series. If they have a good enough ray tracing performance and Excellent rasterization performance like last generation, I may consider it but I’ve had some bad experiences with AMD software and drivers in the past so that would be my big hesitation. Plus the FE cards are absolutely beautiful imo. I don’t even have a windowed side panel on my Sliger Cerberus X but might get one just to see the card lol
@quonslecn7755
@quonslecn7755 Жыл бұрын
Nice no GDDR on the back of the card. Edit: Hopefully Malcom and Qi are back in some future videos. Their insight and knowledge is awesome.
@Mathingon
@Mathingon Жыл бұрын
I’m really loving these in-depth discussions around design and technology decisions. Very pleasantly surprised that Nvidia is being so open on this, it makes for great content and shows how awesomely designed the 4090 is.
@davidmoffitt981
@davidmoffitt981 Жыл бұрын
It's really great seeing this from the engineer's perspective too - some of the "why" not just "how" behind those decisions. It was a pleasure watching you host Qi and Malcolm - I hope we get to see more of this "partnership" level experience in the future from them and other vendors!
@AlwinMonteiro
@AlwinMonteiro Жыл бұрын
Great content! Really cool to hear the people behind the project!
@upforellie
@upforellie Жыл бұрын
I could listen to engineers talk about their problem-solving for hours- this is the exact nerdy shit I subscribe to GN for
@PGJVids
@PGJVids Жыл бұрын
It is always great to hear the engineers share their design thoughts.
@SurriSama
@SurriSama Жыл бұрын
This was an amazing video, this guys enthusiasm was genuinely infectious and made for a treat to watch! Thanks for putting this together (or taking it apart, I guess).
@sumikomei
@sumikomei Жыл бұрын
Videos like this make me so freaking giddy. I LOVE deep dive stuff like this so much, and it's so awesome to see how much these two engineers love what they do, and just their sheer wealth of knowledge.
@bob-hf1kw
@bob-hf1kw Жыл бұрын
17:45 that lockpicking lawyer reference 🤣
@ruikazane5123
@ruikazane5123 Жыл бұрын
6:07 I see what you did there Good to know that it would not need a lot of disassembly for cleaning out the fans. The extra copper layers are no joke too, both in price and the benefits. Now we would be expecting something on the partner versions on how they coped with it
@paco1669
@paco1669 Жыл бұрын
Love these guys! They are so into their craft. These videos have been very informative.
@NeutronicalGaming
@NeutronicalGaming Жыл бұрын
good stuff, glad to see the quality of the content always improving, you guys really push the envelope.
@GodSEndOMG
@GodSEndOMG Жыл бұрын
Overkill cooling is a good thing. Very impressed with the 4090 temperatures.
@seiferleonheart
@seiferleonheart Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I have my issues with Nvidia as a company, but the people that work there are pretty damn good! Geeking out about TIM and referencing Lockpicking Lawyer? Wow Nvidia, keep this up and I might became a fanboy.
@dragoonsunite
@dragoonsunite Жыл бұрын
Had to find it, someone mentioned it XD.
@sgas
@sgas Жыл бұрын
awesome to see the actual engineers with you like this
@euheniosenior8294
@euheniosenior8294 Жыл бұрын
This blurred middle finger @6:07 - so much attention to detail and unique humor on this channel made me shed a little mental tear :D
@agentb4074
@agentb4074 Жыл бұрын
I loved every second of this! It's awesome that you were able to host some of the engineers who actually worked on the card, and can comment on it in real time. And Steve asks good questions. There was a lot of interesting information. Based on Malcolm's comments, it sounds like he's a GN viewer. :-D It's really cool to see how happy and excited he and Qi are to talk about their work. I hope we see these guys again someday, and I hope GN gets more engineers to appear on the channel!
@m-copyright
@m-copyright Жыл бұрын
Well 28:36 the part with the new 12V connector aged really well. 🤣 What a stupid connector that PCI-SIG the guys who made it know about its problems and still shipped it. Buy a 4090 right now, it includes free of charge a burnt house. It will even melt your bones. Guaranteed.
@Elkatook666
@Elkatook666 Жыл бұрын
love all these guests who know so much about the subject , the joy of the themal engineer seeing the reveal of the TIM on the teardown was great ! great video as always, thanks Steve
@denniscarrion746
@denniscarrion746 Жыл бұрын
You learn a lot from these types of format great stuff
@hudibaba
@hudibaba Жыл бұрын
17:46 a wild LockPickingLawyer easter egg appears
@SirAndras
@SirAndras Жыл бұрын
Just to add to the masses; these videos are top of the line. I hope nVidia, Intel, AMD and whoever else joins in the future keep doing these cause nobody cares about marketing shit. This is much better than everything else. Even me, with a 3090 happy and no plans on upgrading, got a bit tingly thinking the new 4090 was looking amazing in terms of thermal and electrical design. I'm just gonna hold on until the 5090 cause if these tw cards are to go by, it'll get even cooler still. Very nicely done by nVidia here. Keep up the good work!
@Pro4TLZZ
@Pro4TLZZ Жыл бұрын
Love these technical videos. Thanks both
@AnCapGamer
@AnCapGamer Жыл бұрын
17:46 LOL when he said "click out of 1, false set on 2.." Reminds me of the Lock Picking Lawyer! Varying key pin positions at/near the sheer line of the lock.
@GamerErman2001
@GamerErman2001 Жыл бұрын
I love that this video literally has people from Nvidia to help Steve disassemble the GPU and answer questions!
@blgDemon
@blgDemon Жыл бұрын
It was a pure joy to watch this video. Malcolm is a cool guy, I want to see him more on GN :D
@new1080
@new1080 Жыл бұрын
Great contact on that gpu. The thumbnail for this video is excellent!
@tateastill5841
@tateastill5841 Жыл бұрын
we need more of this guy. His enthusiasm for his job and the excitment he shows are amazing. Great video
@ClaudioBOsorio
@ClaudioBOsorio Жыл бұрын
I really like how excited they are. It's like playing with a new toy.
@dangerfar
@dangerfar Жыл бұрын
Qi is so knowledgeable.
@GamersNexus
@GamersNexus Жыл бұрын
The power information was great!
@EliKennedy
@EliKennedy Жыл бұрын
Oh man this is a great video. I loved getting to hear from a thermal engineer.
@Y0G0FU
@Y0G0FU Жыл бұрын
the Editing was as entertaining as the topic :D well done everyone!
@eso210
@eso210 Жыл бұрын
Steve is like the teacher that grades your paper in front of you
@WarPigstheHun
@WarPigstheHun Жыл бұрын
They went from gluing everything down to labelling parts. I love the design, I'm trying to do something very similar with my 3080, but I think I might just wait more years to get a 5080 when it comes out.
@XTreMe2k6
@XTreMe2k6 Жыл бұрын
17:44 i love the LockPickingLawyer reference right there :D
@chrisb1352
@chrisb1352 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Lots of good information in this one. Keep up the good work!
@KingLarbear
@KingLarbear Жыл бұрын
The subtle but nervous laughter at 1:26 was amazing when talking about Steve potentially having impact of the gpu design lol
@_____mh
@_____mh Жыл бұрын
Not even my dear great aunt could give a subtle bird flip as smooth as this thermal engineer. Bravo 👏
@dwhugenberg
@dwhugenberg Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the videos you have done with the engineers. Please keep making great content like this!
@ChocoboGuy
@ChocoboGuy Жыл бұрын
Always appreciate hearing from the engineers. They're always passionate talking about their work because they've put their heart and soul into these designs. Say what you want about corporate and marketing, but the engineering team always wants to deliver the best quality products that they can because they care about the work they did, not just about making money for the company.
@1BlinkwithAngels82
@1BlinkwithAngels82 Жыл бұрын
Lock picking lawyer reference at 17:46 I believe hahaha
@802Garage
@802Garage Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Any time a company engineer with a bit of social skills is involved, it's gonna be a good time. Thanks for bringing this unique content!
@VictorRomano
@VictorRomano Жыл бұрын
That's a great content, loved to watch!
@hieracium3317
@hieracium3317 Жыл бұрын
It's great that they managed to get the real technical people there to talk about it. That's some good informative content.
@breadworkshop
@breadworkshop Жыл бұрын
made me wish i could have an nvidia rep present every time i have to disassemble a card, just to guide me through it, and to handle the tighter screws lol. great video!
@Symba_Lysm
@Symba_Lysm Жыл бұрын
THIS needs to be an annual or two yearly thing that happens with every generation! NVIDIA;s engineers needs some praise in what they do in the backend. And what better way then showing off how passionate they are then showing generational improvements of thermal, power and disassembly's of there cards. It's also a welcome distraction from the marketing and pure benchmarks for a change!
@bobert4522
@bobert4522 Жыл бұрын
Love the casual middle finger pointer
@marinipersonal
@marinipersonal Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Not planning on upgrading this generation, but really impressed with the FE.
@jetrpg22
@jetrpg22 Жыл бұрын
Honestly this is amazing, you can say w/e you want about nvidia and its practices but clearly there are people in the loop that care enough to really make great improvements.
@curtismariani6303
@curtismariani6303 Жыл бұрын
I do think the FE cards is among the nicest looking cards on the market.
@swizzler8053
@swizzler8053 Жыл бұрын
It is.
@EldenLord.
@EldenLord. Жыл бұрын
Yeah looks too basic and wouldnt fit in my case in terms of color.
@andrewebid1491
@andrewebid1491 Жыл бұрын
Bro but the quality of the thermaltake ad though. So good, so amazed to see the growth of GN
@simonbrown8509
@simonbrown8509 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting teardown and interviews. Thanks 🙂
@sammifyy3999
@sammifyy3999 Жыл бұрын
When u took it apart in the start the crunch made me flinch so hard
@SATTY94
@SATTY94 Жыл бұрын
Its good to see nvidia doing community stuff we need more of this its awesome
@lillian75t
@lillian75t Жыл бұрын
rips the board off with a "wooh Jeez" making my day thanks, Steve and co. !!!
@alexlefevre3555
@alexlefevre3555 Жыл бұрын
From someone who has spent time in EDM software designing caveman boards by comparison for business and personal projects, the PCB layout and component density is absolutely incredible on this board. A teardown video with guys who designed the product. Amazing.
@todd1748
@todd1748 Жыл бұрын
Exactly why I watch Gamers Nexus. Steve, even with his huge knowledge and experience you can see him really absorbing the knowledge from the engineers and instead of just thinking what he will say next, is really listening. Great content as always Steve... even though I have hardly any idea what they are talking about its great to see their enthusiasm explaining their work.
@Mervinion
@Mervinion Жыл бұрын
I love this trend. Sending more technical people by companies to make so detailed videos. I think we should thank Intel for sending Tom Peterson on tour with Arc. Best kind of videos! Keep it up 👍 Fun reference to LPL there 😂
@tiestofalljays
@tiestofalljays Жыл бұрын
His reaction to the TIM contact is exactly how I feel when a design comes together. Loved that so muchhhhh haha.
@DanielElia2036
@DanielElia2036 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to your channel (and few others)I can understand 90% of your videos without subtitles 😅 Big hugs from Italy, your videos are full of passion 4 tech💪💪💪
@_Ferrigno
@_Ferrigno Жыл бұрын
laughed so hard when you blurred the guy giving the bird while pointing at the x frame 🤣
@Nicholas_Steel
@Nicholas_Steel Жыл бұрын
Pandemic caused a glue shortage, so Nvidia had to find more screws.
@loreaver3882
@loreaver3882 Жыл бұрын
We got a shipment of horses yesterday so we should have glue in no time 👍
@Simplypresea
@Simplypresea Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile I had commercial projects where roofing screws were in short supply and some people were hoarding them like gold.
@Tugela60
@Tugela60 Жыл бұрын
Does that explain why the card is screwed?
@skatterpro
@skatterpro Жыл бұрын
Extremely informative! Great job GN! My only wish is for a better shot of the mechanical movement of those springs. I got the gist, but I'm sure it would help others disasembling their cards in the future with a better understanding!
@ManIkWeet
@ManIkWeet Жыл бұрын
6:07 That was fantastic!
@tr1ck5h07
@tr1ck5h07 Жыл бұрын
GN once again setting the standard for these types of videos
@connmacart
@connmacart Жыл бұрын
Drinking game: Take a shot every time the Nvidia guy says essentially.
@redrock425
@redrock425 Жыл бұрын
Glad it's not just me that noticed. I like his enthusiasm.
@rollin340
@rollin340 Жыл бұрын
Malcom definitely watches the LockPickingLawyer. I love listening to the engineers talk so passionately about what they've built. And from the looks of things, they're damned good at their jobs.
@DarkPuIse
@DarkPuIse Жыл бұрын
I love how Malcolm threw in a little nod to LockPickingLawyer at 17:39.
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