Cold Waters: GRISHA

Cold Waters: GRISHA
Los Angeles-Class Attack Submarine
USS Boston SSN-703
4th Dec 1984, Greenland Sea 0700 Hours
On the hunt for a Soviet ASW task force the Boston encounters a missile fleet mid re-supply.
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[@Cybermat47]

Actually, that WAS the ASW fleet. "Grigor, why are there no ASW ships in ASW fleet?" "You see, Ivan, if there are no ASW ships, the Yankees will not think it is ASW fleet, and we will have total surprise, comrade!"

[@MagzGTV]

Considering the mission results sceen was "Fantastic work, But this was not your objective" no it wasn't.

[@Cybermat47]

MagzTV I know, I was just kidding around. That sub kill was great, by the way, bought a massive grin to my face :D

[@MagzGTV]

lol, Yeah I didn't see that one coming and I can't really even take credit for it. That kill should be awarded to the Grisha III :P

[@ashleighsyller8257]

theres not much action in those videos but they are like a national geographic show... I just cant look away

[@StaK_1980]

Well, there is action in there, just not the over the top Michael Bay level.

[@TheKvant1]

I like the difficulty changes you've made, it's nice to see the enemy put up a real fight rather than just roll over like they seem to do in a lot of the videos.

[@floh667]

I watched all cold waters episodes so far. But enough was enough... just had to watch the hunt for red october again.

[@phoenix5384]

Hey magz, tip from a subscriber and a military history buff, the Charlie can be identified by the eight VLS tubes forwards of the bow planes. What you had there was a Victor three nuclear attack sub. The victor and the Sierra are the only sub's in the game with the pod on the top of the rudder. The video is great also, and this series is great. Also my favorite sub is the SSN-21 USS Seawolf.

[@MagzGTV]

Indeed, In my rush I misidentified the contact on the waterfall. It happens from time to time and is actually one of the things I do like about cold waters, iI's not automated you have to do it yourself which means under stress you can mess it up.

[@phoenix5384]

MagzTV I can agree with that, mabie they should make it in the hardest difficulty that it will automatocly identify it for you at 90% solution or when you have sent it on its last dive with a big hole ripped in it. Also, thanks for replying. Finally, change the max speed of a sub to 100 knots and emergency blow at that speed from 1700 feet. Its the coolest thing I have seen in a while.

[@centaur1a]

It's great that the ships didn't act like zombies like in the earlier games before. Not sure if the Skipjacks were still in service during this period of time. If the game does allow it, would be interesting to see a "what if" against what ships or subs at this time period would be like. If not, oh well.

[@toddagard3664]

centaur1a Skipjack class except USS Scorpion(ssn589), lost in 1968, were not decomissioned starting in 1988 till 1990.

[@CountSwann]

Favourite Submarine would be the Typhoon, just massive with nukes

[@Jognt]

Yep, upping the difficulty was a good move! Much more awesome/tense than before!

[@robgraham5697]

I'm thinking I might get this game. It seems to be just the right mixture of cerebral and tense that I enjoy.

[@karlbon6084]

It seems kind of ironic how a submarine is hunting an anti-submarine fleet

[@Kaarl_Mills]

Well according to Submariners there are 2 kinds of warship: Submarines and targets.

[@TheKimandKai]

The one thing this game is missing is terrain. Every map is just a flat plain. You could be even more tactical if you could dodge torpedo's using canyons and rocks for cover etc.

[@MagzGTV]

The bottom of the ocean is rather flat, terrain features in the ocean are large with canyons usually measuring kilometers wide as they are created not by flowing water as on the surface but my tectonic activity. Like wise large rocks and such features on the surface are usually the result of centuries of wind, again not something that is really a thing below. I agree there could be a little more going on but dodging torps around rocks and up thin canyons is a Hollywood thing, not anything real.

[@DMT-kk3dp]

Thanks for these videos, I'm enjoying this game vicariously through you! Mainly due to being displaced from home by the Hawaii lava flow

[@JoseJimeniz]

Five years later, this comment is remarkably applicable today.

[@imyellow3881]

Nothing like having some good breakfast and watching Magz. Great video and keep them coming !!

[@_screamingrat]

That grisha captain put up a hell of a fight

[@beckettfordahl5450]

Eth0 I couldn't imagine dying in a flaming metal wreck

[@TheDarmach]

around 17:30 - why not activate active sonar on that torpedo? Will active sonar on a topr with good wire relay contact data back to the sub?

[@ryanhampson673]

The Grisha set its self up for knuckles....Sadly he did not know dey way.

[@CupolaDaze]

Obviously this is an old vid and I haven't finished it yet but you passed the Victor III signature so many times and I was mentally screaming at the screen that, that was it.

[@charlieboddington]

Looked like the "Charlie" was actually a Victor III to me Magz. A tad more dangerous

[@MagzGTV]

I mentioned that, and not so dangerous where I left it.

[@charlieboddington]

Can't argue with that Magz. I was the only Charlie around when you fired that torpedo

[@brendaproffitt1011]

A great video and the game too..Awesome job on the video too and I do greatly appreciate it too...and your help to..Thank you so much for your videos too

[@Martellus89]

Fantastic cold water vids Magz, gripping stuff!

[@MetalBadger1]

Given the many noisy wrecks in the vicinity with the last Grisha, why didn't you opt for a Harpoon? Love the Cold Waters content.

[@DeepVeinThrombonus]

This video made me hungry. You can't just go dropping words like tender and juicy willy nilly like that Magz

[@Tom--Ace]

These remote camera guided torps are so cheesy. Surely that's not a good reflection of real sub warfare

[@mememeist3r876]

*Sees MagzTV upload video* Time to: STOP DROP AND ROLL (to the computer)

[@malusignatius]

Grisha are dedicated ASW corvettes.

[@MagzGTV]

look at the name when I have the log book open, See the FFG on the end of the name? Surface combatant designation FFG: Frigate, Guided Missile

[@malusignatius]

Sorry, I should have been clearer, the ID guide's classification's a bit weird. It's the only place I've seen them referred to as a frigate, let alone an FFG (look up the wiki for example). Also, 'FFG' just means they have missiles on them, it doesn't define role. For example, the Krivaks 1 and 2 ships are considered FFGs and they are intended to be principally ASW platforms.

[@malusignatius]

Postscript: I did a look around, The Grisha 3's carry some SAMs, which explains the 'G' in their designation. Also, it looks like the US got rid of corvette as a hull designation (K), but I can't find the replacement 2/3 letter code. Maybe they got lumped in with frigates, if so, that explains why the game calls the Grisha and Riga frigates.

[@MagzGTV]

The thing to keep in mind are all Soviet warships are dedicated ASW platforms. Kirov-class battlecruiser is a ship that you would think of mainly as a surface combat boat, Has massive ASW ccapabilities. The Grisha-class corvette/Frigate (there is so little difference this class has been called both) all have ASW capabilities Hell the Kiev-class aircraft carrier, A damn Aircraft carrier has 10 torpedo tubes for Submarine defence along with the SUW-N-1 anti submarine missile system. This is where the confusion comes from *all* soviet warships are ASW ships, but only some have that as a sole role. The Grisha II and III and IV's came with two armament types, One was pure ASW intended for coastal patrol and fleet defence and one fitted with the SA-N-4 surface-to-air missile system, This second type is what I am facing in this video.

[@malusignatius]

I think it's fairer to say that almost all Soviet ships have some ASW capability instead of being all being dedicated ASW platforms (Compare the Udaloy and the Sovremenny for example, both are what in the west would be classified as destroyers, but one is a vastly more potent ASW combatant than the other), but I do certainly acknowledge that the Soviets (and the Russian Navy that is descended from it) organise their ships very differently from the NATO standard.

[@garushnagoth]

Really.. REALLY loving your Cold Waters plays. Quite surprised.

[@MagzGTV]

Los Angeles-Class Attack Submarine USS Boston SSN-703 4th Dec 1984, Greenland Sea 0700 Hours On the hunt for a Soviet ASW task force the Boston encounters a missile fleet mid re-supply. I hope you enjoy! Remember To get a FREE audiobook download and 30 day free trial simply create an account at: ►► www.audibletrial.com/MagzTV Grabbing your free account will give you over 180,000 available titles to choose from and will also help support the channel. If you would like to help support the channel directly, Please consider donating a small amount on Patreon: ►► www.patreon.com/MagzTV

[@FondlesHandles]

what is 4nd?

[@Nighthawk-cx8ir]

Grisha III's are anti-sub corvettes, hurt a bit that you called them guided missile frigates...but whatever you still killed them , keep up the good work!!! :P

[@flashart8636]

MagzTV, you get some of the cushiest missions! I've never had a single 'Hunt the ASW fleet' mission...always it's surface or sub tender fleets. Mind you, last surface fleet had a Kiev in it, those things can soak some damage! I have noticed that when one of my torps is chasing a skimmer, if I have wire control and I go manual, it tends to dip down as I begin a turn. No idea why though.... As an aside, have you tried any of the 1968 missions?? You want hard? The torpedoes you get are archaic to say the least. Either straight shots, or guideds that my granny can outswim....makes for a challenge!

[@MagzGTV]

Yet to sink a Kiev or even encounter one, Biggest so far is a Kirov. Yes I have tried the 1968 Campaign, I'll be doing 1968 just as soon as I finish off the 1984 Campaign.

[@yeet925]

Flashart iiii

[@ab1cdefghijklmnop]

I wonder what the real tactical approach would have been. Afterall it's propably not worth using the very limited number of torpedoes for corvettes and frigates. I suppose a reallife sub commander would have destroyed the tender, limiting the use of a number of submarines in the area for some time, maybe pick off the submarine as well if detected and then disengange unseen

[@dedmajor]

These are not the ships youre looking for...

[@GeorgePrince]

lol, and then waive of the hand..

[@MrLatgalian]

Thank you -Mario- Magz! But our -princess- fleet is in another -castle- waters.

[@wolfbyte3171]

Those Grisha appear to have triple screws, but for some reason only the outer ones are turning. Is this a visual glitch, or is that to extend the range of them? You'd think in an emergency scenario they would turn them on.

[@BWIENS789]

wolfbyte3171 The two screws are the cruise turbines which. The center screw is the boost turbine which is only engaged when they need to go really fast aka flank speed.

[@wolfbyte3171]

Thanks! Although you'd think a torpedo heading for you would be reason enough to go flank speed : P

[@BWIENS789]

wolfbyte3171 The 3rd screw is animated yet. Given time it will.

[@m0ther_bra1ned12]

i wonder if laying on the bottom and running silent would make your submarine completely invisible irl...

[@BWIENS789]

Motherbrain Jr Nope

[@ab1cdefghijklmnop]

It would work for a conventional submarine but not for a nuclear one as it still needs its cooling pumps working even when stopped

[@hussar1681]

First time seeing a surface ship dodging the torp Magz. And I've sunk plenty in Cold Waters on elite difficulty... Hopefully this have something to do with 1.06b.

[@robhess9]

Grishas are classified as anti-submarine corvettes.

[@jadendesveaux7452]

The centre prop on the Grisha wasn't spinning. Found a bug in the video

[@SecretRaginMan]

My favorite sub is Blue Submarine No. 6. :P

[@julopabene8736]

Could you maybe incorporate the post-mission report? I would like to see what the Navy has to say about your actions :D

[@MagzGTV]

Whenever it's something good I do, this one was "Fantastic work, But this was not your target"

[@julopabene8736]

Doesn't it also include a list of vehicles you actually sunk? Because I'm interested which sub you actually got with that stray torp.

[@arnoldroetnor217]

I think I know why the name of the video is GRISHA in all capital letters.

[@filmonewaldeabsebhat]

RIP grisha III captains ....

[@groudon4105]

You should fire an antiship missile sometime

[@MagzGTV]

I have fired them plenty of times in my other videos, I didn't this time because the ships I was facing also had missiles of there own but with torps strapped too them. Since firing a Harpoon on targets that close on elite difficulty has roughly the same effect as surfacing the boat, raising the radar mast and firing a flare into the sky while draping a flag that says "Here I am!" over the conning tower I made the rather easy choice to not slit my own throat doing so and instead doing what a Submarine does, Be stealthy.

[@1JackTorS]

I have a question. I've never played this game, so I don't know what's involved. I noticed as you were flipping through known noise signatures for classification, there were Humpback and Blue whale noise signatures listed. Do you often or ever encounter a whale during a mission and if you did, could you theoretically fire a torpedo at them and kill them? Just curious.

[@MagzGTV]

Yes and yes. I've actually accidentally killed one before after a torp I fired missed it's target and acquired the signature of the humpback.

[@jonnytaylor4012]

MagzTV that's depressing. Poor whale was just doing it's whale thing when suddenly it gets evaporated by an explosive metal canister. What if it had kids?

[@KRDecade2009]

Jonny Taylor the whale deserved it

[@Piergeiron]

Actually, the Grisha-Class of corvettes *are* dedicated ASW corvettes...

[@MagzGTV]

Not they are not, Those are Grisha III FFG's as you can see on the detail card, FFG stands for Frigate, Guided Missile. As I said in the video while all Grisha class have anti submarine capability as do almost all warships of any type, those Grisha's are dedicated Guided Missile Frigates.

[@Piergeiron]

MagzTV Yeah, I got that in your vid, and I do know what FFG stands for, but even the latest Grisha III was dedicated to ASW en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grisha-class_corvette

[@Piergeiron]

Yeah, the whole FFG-designation is a bit misleading in that they are pretty small ships, too. Still: Soviet ships of that era have been more specialized than their US counterparts. The FFG-7 (O.H. Perry-Class) frigates were "true" multipurpose guided missile frigates and still their main task in battlegroups was dedicated ASW picketing.

[@MagzGTV]

The thing to keep in mind are all Soviet warships are dedicated ASW platforms. Kirov-class battlecruiser is a ship that you would think of mainly as a surface combat boat, Has massive ASW ccapabilities. The Grisha-class corvette/Frigate (there is so little difference this class has been called both) all have ASW capabilities Hell the Kiev-class aircraft carrier, A damn Aircraft carrier has 10 torpedo tubes for Submarine defence along with the SUW-N-1 anti submarine missile system. This is where the confusion comes from, *All* soviet warships are ASW ships, but only some have that as a sole role. The Grisha II and III and IV's came with two armament types, One was pure ASW intended for coastal patrol and fleet defence and one fitted with the SA-N-4 surface-to-air missile system, This second type is what I am facing in this video.

[@Piergeiron]

While that is very true, you still have to consider the degree in specialization in Soviet warships. Bolting some AAW capability onto a Grisha did't change it's principal role - as, for example, reflected in it's sensor arrays, here: the towed array sonar. (Also the Grisha-I already had the SA-N-4 mounted, where the -II got rid of it in favor of a second 57mm gun) Much like the Sovremennyy- and Udaloy-class destroyers are both DDGs, but the Sovremennyy being the principal AAW and ASuW platform, complementing the Udaloy as an ASW-platform. This is also reflected in the Udaloy's sensor suite, which DOES include the Horse Tail / Horse Jaw hull-mounted / towed array, which is not to be found in the Sovremennyy. Still I think we can agree yo have to work with what units you have on hand anyway and the Grishas in this fight did put up a cool challenge! :D

[@bumzilla112]

this is not the feet you are looking for... move along now, move along.

[@Iamdrewbowen]

So is it realistic that the nato forces knew the sonar signature of all those Soviet vehicles? And how would they even go about getting them, and knowing what it is, the name and all?

[@MagzGTV]

Yes it is actually, There are several ways to get the acoustic profile of a submarine. I can describe for you how NATO got the profile of the Alfa class as an example. NATO forces monitor Soviet ports in much the same way that soviet forces monitor NATO ports. Launching a Submarine is not an easy thing to hide considering they must be built in dry dock and then moved to the water at the very least by a slip way, it's also not a fast thing. In this time the Alfa gets spotted and Classified by NATO intelligence, She is measured and heavily photographed from a safe distance with a very big magnification lens as is every single supply and logistics craft that goes near her. The service and maintenance crews are also photographed as is there equipment. Once analysed these photographs will provide NATO with a model on which to test Alfa's abilities in the water while also giving them a good idea on her internal systems based on what engineering teams where needed to get her ready and the equipment they used, even crew count can be estimated by the number of supplies she took on. From this point Alfa is continually monitored until it leaves port, Once at sea all NATO submarines will be informed of the new Soviet boats existence and will be told to listen for her. In sort order she will be located, she is simple enough to find as she is the only boat in the area that NATO doesn't already have an acoustic profile for, so they record her. Within two weeks of the first Alfa being pulled out of dry dock NATO had her length, beam, crew count, most of her internal systems, torpedo load and torpedo selection along with all countermeasures and missiles and a recording of her acoustic profile for the waterfall. From there her maximum speed and other such details are gained simply by recording encounters with her over time and keeping record of everything. One final thing to note is that the sound of a Submarine can change with age so each encounter is recorded over time, in game we only work out what the boat is. In real life NATO submarine crews can ID a Submarine by name and number due to the different sounds caused by age while also knowing the launch dates of the submarines in that class.

[@jeremyswain9842]

Isn't the Grisha lll a coastal ASW ship? It doesn't have any missiles.

[@MagzGTV]

The Grisha II and III and IV's came with two armament types, One was pure ASW intended for coastal patrol and fleet defence and one fitted with the SA-N-4 surface-to-air missile system, This second type is what I am facing in this video.

[@pipss2669]

Why not use a Harpoon ?

[@julopabene8736]

Because of the Missile Defence System on the Grisha's. Also, you have to get closer to the surface to launch them and as soon as they are fired, enemy vessels know exactly where to look for you.

[@uncletimo6059]

Why not paint a large bullseye on your ship? And tell all your crewmen to scream as loud as they can?

[@norussianbiascomrade5614]

Nice video! Keep it up

[@sammccloud4984]

yeeessssss

[@Scoobydcs]

Iv just bought Helion. Wish I'd bought this instead!

[@USAF-mt1tu]

can you sail the USS Augusta?

[@hoovyzepoot]

Could you do a up to date Halifax review magz?

[@matthewrikihana6818]

I second this request, HoovyzePoot.

[@Axilur]

What was the sub you sank?!

[@jonnytaylor4012]

Niklas Nyborg a Charlie class Submarine

[@matthewrikihana6818]

Though Magz designated it as a Charlie, he had doubts about its identity once he viewed it in third person. He guessed it might be a Victor

[@toddagard3664]

Niklas Nyborg Only the Victor 3 or Sierra class subs have the towed array housing on top of the rudder.

[@charlieboddington]

Would it be possible for you to do a video on the Avro Lincoln Magz?

[@jettstorm2253]

15:17 *DEJA VU* Rusky Ship Derifto

[@totallylegit6134]

You should play AOE3

[@sarpkaplan4449]

magz and subs? gonna be gud

[@1967last]

Kind of huyeta game

[@MerkMD]

1 submarine sink the entire fleet of ASW ships. Confirm propaganda game made by US. Well... not so surprised considered this game made by US company. US biass is real!

[@MagzGTV]

OMG US BIAS IS REAL!!!! And then I jump into a Soviet Alfa class submarine and sink the quietest submarine the US ever made before the Seawolf class. . . whoops! Mighty hard to call bias when both nations submarines are powerful when played right isn't it? Here's the video link so you can see for yourself: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4KsoHR5gLWdldU Now please take that bias propaganda crap back to the War Thunder videos where it belongs, I'm really kinda sick to death of seeing it. It's like watching playstation and Xbox fans having a slap fight.

[@Tom--Ace]

Magz bias IS real, including in war thunder, it's fair enough to ask who made the game because it can make a diffetence. Although here it's more about humans vs AI. Unfortunately it's a combination of relatively easier difficulty of AI vs a human and perfect information (like the way you can guide the torps with a remote camera) make the game a bit too easy. It's a problem with most simulators frankly, silent hunter was super easy too In reality that grisha captain may well have escaped those torps and you might have faced a harsher response. Then again, in reality diesel subs "sink" carriers too. It's unpredictable warfare

[@ivanfilippov6374]

First :)