Cold Waters: Whiskey Down

Cold Waters: Whiskey Down
Los Angeles-Class Attack Submarine
USS Boston SSN-703
18th Nov 1984, Norwegian Sea
Today we are continuing our hunt for the Soviet Submarine carrying a commando force attempting to infiltrate an allied port.
Just two potential contact groups remaining.
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[@gusd913]

The soviets had a Whisky-class run aground in 1981, near a large Swedish naval base. (The incident was called "Whisky on the rocks")

[@HerraTohtori]

32:04 "It belongs in a museum!"

[@HerraTohtori]

This game is shaping up to be a really nice addition to your channel. The pace of the gameplay is somehow just perfect for your presentation and narration style.

[@ryanmccabe1036]

Magz needs to start voicing Tom Clancy audio books.

[@R2Y2V2]

Yes, more cold waters. Thanks Magz

[@MagzGTV]

Los Angeles-Class Attack Submarine USS Boston SSN-703 18th Nov 1984, Norwegian Sea Today we are continuing our hunt for the Soviet Submarine carrying a commando force attempting to infiltrate an allied port. Just two potential contact groups remaining. I hope you enjoy! If you would like to help support the channel, Please consider donating a small amount on Patreon: www.patreon.com/MagzTV

[@t-wex538]

These Cold Waters videos are a welcome addition, great content as always mate. Play any Star Citizen lately?

[@XkriskrossX]

T Wecker He's prob holding off till the thermal nuclear bomb that is patch 3.0 finally drops.

[@theroyalaustralian]

Magz, I understand this video is old, but here's a tip: Point your sub at the enemy sub, the wire will not break while your looking directly at it.

[@GumMagnum]

10:45 The wire will break if it's shot at angles greater than 60 degrees from your heading, iirc 18:00 94dB is actually louder than average, btw. "Hunt for the Red Commandos" seems like a more appropriate title :P

[@adambrogden7773]

Actually preferring this to war thunder, action suspense and good commentary. Good stuff magz

[@robertdubois3448]

I remember a game of Red Storm Rising, it was effectively end of the war, I had sunk most of the Red Banner Fleet. Final mission was to sink a boomer before it could reach the arctic ice pack to launch its ballistic missiles. I sank the Typhoon, and 3 escorting nuclear boats. Out of torps and the ones you could drop from a missile. One contact left.... it turned out to be a Whiskey class. I was just stunned.

[@briananthony4044]

US torpedo dropped from a missile from a sub would be a Subroc, surface version was a Asroc.

[@AxistigerAKARegent]

This game reminds of me of that movie, The Hunt for Red October. Please keep this series going. It's awesome.

[@JNelsoncruz]

good to see some more Cold Waters, good, slow, smooth and yet really fast pace when it comes to combat so i really enjoy this serie Magz.

[@telecleez]

Magz if you turn the nose of your sub toward your target before you fire you'll get less wire breaks. It's also funny that if that Whisky hadn't fired that torp it could have probably escaped.

[@danielwright8075]

They were surfacing to shoot the torpedo with their mosin nagants.

[@reverseshotgun721]

daniel wright in late 84?

[@wick9427]

yes, they're russian remember?

[@jonskowitz]

dengit, I just spent a bunch on the summer sale and your Cold Water videos are making it hard not to spend more

[@ryanchen4921]

Such a tactical and unique game!

[@brendaproffitt1011]

Incredible and awesome video game too greatly appreciate it great job thank you so much

[@sarge852]

I love subs but I've never really had the patience to play these games properly, but watching Magz do it right is so great to watch! Awesome stuff Magz!

[@ChaosphereIX]

Loving these Cold Waters vids Magz. Keep em coming.

[@BigGamer2525]

at around the 14 minute mark, you could have manually guided the torpedo towards the target with the arrow keys I think, since it still has the wire attached.

[@BlissfullWinter]

Good stuff, please do more.

[@Jager1967]

piece of advise any torpedo launch more than twenty degrees left or right of the bow the wire will break every time

[@thankthesnake]

I've really enjoyed the arcade ordered War Thunder realistic and loved the occasional cockpit view realistic DCS and IL-2 air combat. Ships have been okay. But this submarine warfare is cerebral. It's turning out to be a whole other kind of fun. In a word... AWESOME! It falls right into what you already do so well. And that is totally unexpected!

[@achimhanischdorfer3403]

GOD that sonar is *LOUD*!!!

[@NorthForkFisherman]

@ 03:00 "This is the Capitan. Set Condition Brown throughout the ship!"

[@markdesjardins3153]

I think in order to keep the torp wire you need to point the nose of the sub at the target and be at or below 5 knots....ref Jive Turkey.

[@BlackOmega9]

I'm not exactly sure on the specific angle, but past a certain point, the wire will break if the torpedo you fire isn't kept within a certain angle of your sub's bow.

[@pilot3877]

Another great vid

[@williamtessier5449]

Great series Magz keep up the fantastic work!

[@Lt5K1TZ]

This is a fantastic addition to your channel and I'm always interested to see more of it. Submarines have always been fascinating to me and your coverage of this game has piqued my interest in it. Definitely going to look into buying it soon. Good hunting!

[@TEHBlazeSS]

Magz, I believe the reason you keep losing wires is because the angle is too great. I've been watching Jive Turkey play this game (who used to serve on Los Angeles-class subs, btw) and he mentions that if the angle is too great, the wire will break. I just don't remember off the top of my head what angle he said.

[@Kilen_BE]

TEHBlazeSS correct, its 60º max (left or right from ahead)

[@TEHBlazeSS]

kilen That's what I thought it was, but, I wasn't 100% on it. Thanks for confirming.

[@jlj3856]

loving this game, keep it up!

[@JuanJohnSmith]

Really enjoy watching you play this game. Please keep it up.

[@Kilen_BE]

wire is broken automaticly after 60º angle, its what u get 2 times here, u should not openfire with torpedoes when targets are on ur flanks... :)

[@difficultinterest1582]

This is possible the best game released from the developers. Pacific Fleet (Mobile), Atlantic Fleet (Mobile then PC) and now Cold waters (PC). Killerfish is also the best Aussie game developer from Adelaide yet!

[@toxicmongerofthehatefulbro5745]

I don't pretend to be an expert mate, but pretty sure because of the Storm on the surface, going to it would have created a lot more background noise to try and rehide the Second Victor... Could be absolutely wrong though.

[@jeova0sanctus0unus]

"those are not the Submarines you are looking for."

[@windigo000]

how do i get rid of teeth marks from my desk? :D riveting stuff ;)

[@alekssavic1154]

are there options to play a sub other than the Los Angeles? Either now or planned for the future.

[@MagzGTV]

Yes, quite a number of subs but you can only select one at the start of the campaign. You play as it's captain for the duration.

[@redishina]

Magz, if you want to keep your wire then you shouldn't be firing at targets at such extreme angles. If you care about keeping the wire then you need to fire the torpedo as straight as possible with as little depth deviation as possible. Point the sub at the target. This also makes your signature effectively smaller it would be if you were broadside to the target. There is some wiggle room with how far off the centerline a shot can be and still have an intact wire but it isn't at 90 degrees.

[@mikethemaniac1]

So... why not make subs for ultra deep dives? I'd assume going really close to the bottom and cruising across it would be great for spooking passive or maybe even active sonar... them again, I also doubt sonar is like a time domain radar that can't see the ground.

[@littlemikey46]

mikethemaniac1 because modern day materials can only cope with so much strain before they fail

[@phoenix5384]

Hi Magz, what do you think about killer fish games (the devs) adding in missile subs/cruse missile sub's and having an option not only to launch missiles but to do more creative missions like needing to suffice to repair/rearm a helicopter (from debt of honor)?

[@tomgjgj]

Love the game. Had a question, though. Why did the Soviets prefer active sensor doctrine in the Cold War compared to NATO's passive sensors?

[@MagzGTV]

Soviet passive sonar of the era was never as good as NATO's however their active sonar is exceptional. Simply playing to there strengths.

[@bumzilla112]

hey magz... just a question. Do you record your audio while playing or do right up a script after the fact. The info you have is on point man. Just asking so maybe I could use a variation of this concept with my channel.

[@MagzGTV]

Both, I record my commentary while playing but independent of the video recording, This allows me to add post commentary clips such as the mission results and into briefings after the fact.

[@SomeGuy481]

Maybe the captain of the Victor knew he was screwed - he was being pursued by this US Navy hotshot who's been devastating the Soviet Navy single-handedly - so he surfaced to improve his crew's survival chances?

[@slikerdet]

Yooohooi magztv. How long time does it take for playing to find this enemie sub or ships...? Its looks like You find them at the very beginning at the videos

[@littlemikey46]

What is the bubble ridge thing that runs along the top of the right side of the LA class?

[@MagzGTV]

Honestly I am not exactly sure, I think it is part of the the sonar suite but I could be wrong.

[@littlemikey46]

MagzTV yeah I've tried googling it but can't find out. I'm curious why it's only on one side and not down the middle or otherwise symmetrical.

[@MaddEndd]

the cable of the towed array is stored in it, something I learned from Jive Turkey.

[@littlemikey46]

Madd Endd really? interesting. I wonder why is external because it must effect the radar signature

[@MaddEndd]

Not really, compared to the tower and the ruder this structure is still pretty insignificant, and I guess you mean sonar signature. The problem is that you cannot fold the cable, otherwise you get the same problem as with the wires from the torpedos, but it also needs to be at a significant distance to the ship and the propeller, so it doesn´t pick up unnecessary noise, inside the sub you don´t have the space for it really. It´s literally the same problem as the drive shaft in tanks like the Sherman, but they decided to make the tank bigger to make it fit. Not an expert though, but that is the most logic explanation I can come up with.

[@swordfish2825]

any chance for the silent hunter 5 series to come back? (not that this isn't enjoyable)

[@thespareace6659]

Only an hour late for Cold Waters =D

[@KrautGoesWild]

I would love to down a Whiskey now, too - but I can't drink anymore... :(

[@pop5678eye]

7:28 is that a torpedo on the lower left still chasing you?

[@gunslingerluckytankijunky]

i bet it was trying to get some oxygen at the depth it was at.

[@fidenemini4413]

been wanting a new sub sim, but this looks way more simplified compared to dangerous waters :(

[@skyflier8955]

Magz, I'd bet you know a lot about putting whiskey down...

[@joelcox5801]

Do any land troop movements change in this game?

[@MagzGTV]

Yes, Your performance in the ocean changes the troop movements. Play well and NATO performs well against the invasion, Play poorly and Russia will advance and gain more control.

[@janisbitkoinsgmbh1803]

can you play the Soviet submarines in this game?

[@jeova0sanctus0unus]

I wish we could get a Diesel Electric Boat for the player in this game.

[@spiritfoxmy6370]

Wait until they release the Soviet campaigns. Maybe we'll be able to skipper a Tango

[@g4mingl0gic20]

You cant get items back from bioreactor

[@ArcadiyIvanov]

Why do you never use active torps?

[@MagzGTV]

I do use active torps, I just didn't need to use them in these engagements.

[@undecided445]

MagzTV Passive torps are pretty lousy against all but the loudest submarines. While they can acquire older subs easily enough (especially if they are cavitating) they have a hard time making their final approach and are often fooled by noisemakers. The issue is that the actual machinery of the sub is fairly quiet, which is what the torpedo is looking for as opposed to all the noisy cavitation around the screw. As a general rule I use active homing against subs and passive against surface ships with exceptions for ships crippled ships with damaged engines and very high ambient noise levels in which case I'll use active homing. The only advantage of passive homing against subs is that the torpedo is harder to detect without it pinging away, but in a knife fight your opponent will be able to hear the launch anyway.

[@MagzGTV]

This isn't exactly correct, The Mk.48 is exceptional in passive mode and as you can see is quite able to detect even the quiet subs (When my Mk.48 acquired my 688 I was in silent running with the engines at full stop and it still managed to lock me up). It comes down to firing solution, In these engagements I am manoeuvring to get a good solution (65%+) before releasing my fish to begin with so the 48's have no problem finding there target. However if I wanted to fire on a contact with a very low solution (35% or below) that is where you would use active sonar as it increases the chances of the 48 acquiring a good solution of it's own and tracking.

[@undecided445]

As I said they can acquire a target just fine the issue is hitting it instead of getting confused by knuckles and noisemakers and looping around. I still take issue with using passives against submarines as one of the last bits of information to be locked-in from a sonar contact is the target's distance and because of echoes off of the seafloor or thermal layer the contact could easily be as much as twice the distance or as little as half what the target plot says at 65%. You could close the distance until the range is resolved or you are so close it doesn't matter but as you found, firing Mk.48s under their ~4,000 yard acquire range is extremely dangerous without wire guidance (which leaves you vulnerable to counter fire). Personally at point blank I snap a torpedo off and flank speed in the opposite direction to get out of the radius ASAP. The other option is wire guidance and guesstimating when you don't have great information. Tubes fire to each side at an angle (unlike in Soviet subs the USN bow sonar takes up the whole nose) and have a comfort zone of about 10 to 30 degrees off of your heading while they complete their wire clearance maneuver, once they have traveled around 500 yards you have a little more room to work with, but more than 45 degrees will probably break the wire. 5 to 10 knots is fine speed wise as long as you aren't turning or diving too quickly. Oh and the UI sorts the tubes so the left hand column fires to the left and the right hand column to the right. As a side note: while under wire guidance the active sonar of a mark 48 can be fed into the fire control system to greatly enhance your firing solution on a target (as long as you can observe the contact with your own sensors.)

[@MagzGTV]

"getting confused by knuckles and noisemakers " - Knuckles are a defence against active sonar, They provide a "wall" of water that will reflect an active sonar ping. As I mention several times in the video Mk. 48s are programmed to understand what a noisemaker is, when they turn away they are not getting confused, they are designed to turn 60* to the last contact of the target and then swim a half circle back to the targets bearing in order to require the target on the other side of the noise maker. "the issue is hitting it" At this point since starting to play Cold Warters I have over 70 Submarine kills in the 688 and at least 30 of them are on the elite difficulty., In that time I have only ever missed seven targets using passive only total one of which you see in this video. Of those seven shots five where taken with a solution blow 60% and the other three including this one was the result of the Mk. 48 turning back on be due to an aggressive turn by the target and acquiring my own submarine even while running at ultra quiet, A situation that basically was the target using my own submarine as a countermeasure and one that an active sonar would not have changed. The issue you seem to be arguing with me doesn't actually seem to be an issue I am having. But let me continue anyway. "Personally at point blank I snap a torpedo off and flank speed in the opposite direction to get out of the radius ASAP." - To what end? On passive the Mk.48 is capable of acquiring a target at over 5km range on it's own and on active (which you seem to state you use) over 8km, The Mk.48 in game is capable of 45kn (in reality it should be 55kn) faster than any in game sub including the Alfa (currently the fastest in game at 41kn) Your tactic involved firing a Mk.48 at a target within 4000 yards or 3.6km then pointing the nosiest end of the Submarine at the 48 and running at a speed that will make you easily detectable at a distance well inside all of the 48's detection ranges for the result of getting to a maximum speed that will not allow you to outrun your 48 should it turn back anyway. It will also not allow you to outrun a soviet torp should one be fired and will not allow you to get outside of that acquisition range but will make you clearly visible to a fired soviet torp along with any other submarine in the area listening for engine noise and should you turn directly from the target as you said also put said target, a potential soviet torpedo and your own Mk 48 in your baffles where you will not be able to hear them. I'm not sure exactly what your tactic here brings to the table. "As a side note: while under wire guidance the active sonar of a mark 48 can be fed into the fire control system to greatly enhance your firing solution on a target (as long as you can observe the contact with your own sensors.)" - This I know but its not just the active sonar, the passive sonar feed is also sent down the line and it also works in reverse. While the wire is active updated contact information from your own submarine both passive and active is also fed into the Mk. 48.

[@yeetman5526]

Anybody else get a creepy vibe from the sounds?

[@onewhosaysgoose4831]

"There is nothing you can do on the surface" Maybe you could get out and not all die?

[@MagzGTV]

The explosion of a Mk.48 on the surface would carry enough concussive force that anyone outside the boat would either die instantly or find themselves alive but with fatal organ trauma due to the force of the blast. Remember you are dealing with a weapons system that is designed to destroy a ship by detonating under the hull without contacting it and using the shock-wave generated by the blast to quite literally break the ship in half.

[@gooberone]

@@MagzGTV sure, but they know that torpedo is there, so they could get out FAST a while before the impact, fast enough that they only suffer mid-class injuries or if they have escape rafts (pretty rare) escape with light injuries.just saying, this is just an educated guess :)

[@angiegamez8600]

Magz you almost killed yourself because you were so close to your target the Mk48 reacquired you as it's target! You crazy kangaroo 😅

[@wolfganghuhn7747]

But the german XX is prettier

[@sammccloud4984]

34 minutes? Fuck it