The Entire OpenAI Chaos Explained

[@bhaskarchakravorty3734]

I gave up following the drama on the third day and said to myself - 'F*ck it, I'll let Cold Fusion summarise it for me once the dust settles'. Thank you Dagogo!!

[@cameroncameron2826]

Save More : 'A theranos edison like database running gibberish binary numbers after being funded from within the dark corridors of power as usual & thus under pressure from disgruntled elites as to whether they ever knew wtf they were talking about.

[@factsfornigga]

😂

[@cyberpunk.386]

Same here actually!

[@rohithjanardhan4970]

lol same

[@abdelrahmangamalmahdy]

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

[@davidtierney3615]

''Open AI is nothing without its people'' is possibly the most ironic thing ive ever heard

[@AlexanderTheGoodEnough]

it would be nothing if not for their efforts. maybe that would have been for the best. if every one involved found something else to do before ever starting this.

[@robertholtz]

David Tierney’s comment stands on its own and it’s a brilliant profound take.

[@artjacketTV]

So much for AI needing humans.

[@MAYNOR82]

DavidTierny’s level of foreshadowing is insane!

[@cameroncameron2826]

The para consistent truth is its nothing with them either.

[@DK-ox7ze]

This is probably the most mysterious corporate stories of all time. I hope the truth comes out soon.

[@snakedoktor6020]

*story

[@dark-o]

Created by OpenAI 😂

[@Walexo45]

If you look OpenAI homepage, the first sentence you can find is : "Creating safe AGI that benefits all of humanity" I personnally believe that OpenAI found a pathway to AGI with whichever algos they're working on, and are basically at a point where it will be achieved sooner or later. The last thing they have to do is to make it safe for consumers. David Shapiro said back in March 2023 that AGI will be achieved in 18 months (Sept 2024), and it's probably the only good prediction for now.

[@LuisSierra42]

Mark my words, we are beyond f*cked

[@coconut7490]

@@Walexo45 If that's true then this could be the main reason why this whole drama happened, I don't see how the board wasn't aware of them developing an AGI if they were making one. I suppose that why they fired Sam and listed "not communicating to them" as the reason.

[@sediavindivoh]

I learned today that 747 out of 770 employees at OpenAI issued the ultimatum that got Sam Altman re-hired as the CEO. 97%. OMG!

[@digletwithn]

Honestly they should be clear on what happened. Hard to trust a company that's this secretive on sensitive topics

[@Praisethesunson]

But mystery is perfect to maintain hype in a way that isn't legally actionable as lying

[@AndersRosendalBJJ]

Nobody is trying to make you trust them.

[@Restrocket]

Q* is real

[@spiralsun1]

Or one that comes out of the gate censoring our writing and image ideas… just absolutely disgusting, and mind-bendingly ignorant at the inception of something that is the future.

[@holydiver916]

They never asked for your trust 😅

[@FreeBorn5683]

When all this was going down I literally said to myself “ I can’t wait for Dagogo to break this down.” You didn’t disappoint✅ Thanks bruh. 😊

[@johnp5761]

Nice copy/paste 😂

[@somedude1901]

Sounds like the board doesn’t want to be a for-profit company, but Sam does. As far as the employees go, I wouldn’t be surprised if many of them have been promised shares in the company if it goes public, which is why they so desperately want Sam in charge.

[@vaendryl]

the employees almost certainly were promised or even given stock *options* (which are popular employee benefits as they technically don't cost anything to give away), which would become very valuable if the share price jumped up.

[@Restrocket]

It's all about Q*

[@themightyquyn]

This sounds plausible, because why would Altman immediately jump to Microsoft?

[@biguattipoptropica]

I believe that’s what happened too, because the whole mission statement of OpenAI was to be a research company who sets ethical standards for other machine learning projects. In fact that’s why they said they didn’t regulators, OpenAI would regulate! Them prioritizing profit over everything was basically inevitable.

[@FlukeTog]

Snakes on a plane 🐍

[@jayleaveit]

You are one the most incredible KZbin channels. Please continue the incredible work you and your team do!

[@JerseyJersey100]

There’s that moment as an adult where you realize there are no thoughtful, trustworthy people rooted in integrity in charge of society, and that the rules and resulting history are written by the winners, which are mostly greedy, self serving, often sociopathic businessmen…then stories like this confirm that cynicism.

[@chickadeestevenson5440]

Wow. Who would have thought that people running a company based on scraping writing to create "AI" would be at all sketchy.

[@thelovejoyshow568]

Yep. And it all starts with "We just want to benefit humanity".

[@GoomySmash]

It's easy to say as an outsider that everyone in charge is unethical, but people like Sam Altman are dealing with some pretty complex challenges with lots of people on lots of sides standing to benefit or be hurt. I'd be less inclined to believe everyone in charge are sociopaths, but to think that some of them are but some of them are genuinely empathetic people who have a lot of hard decisions to make

[@tomschuelke7955]

Your thoughts and judgments are too simplistic. Game theory helps. If you know the potentially destructive dangers of AI, you can't risk letting someone else develop it first. With great financial power, you would be more likely to achieve the goal. This is the lesser evil. From a game theory perspective, it is then rational to push for AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) despite the dangers, using all means. It is comparable to Oppenheimer."

[@henrytep8884]

@@tomschuelke7955yeah but this one is different. This is the moloch of all moloch, and unlike thermonuclear weapons, we only get one chance to do this right. Once we create the first encounter, the super intelligent, there is no more control over our faith. We lose our position as the telos of the the world, and will fade into the background depending on the intention of our own creation. This goes beyond game theory.

[@povang]

I do believe this out of the blue 3 day war drama has something to do with a major research breakthrough at OpenAi. The fact that the Board has refused to state why Sam was fired even to this day has me very intriqued, something so secretive that nobody wants to say anything. Ironic that the company has Open in its name, its far from open and there is so much secrecy.

[@SioxerNikita]

Open, as in openly available, which OpenAI generally has been. And of course there is secrets... there is secrets basically in anything. Of some kind and another.

[@abdelrahmangamalmahdy]

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

[@yothiga]

It has to be ethical issues in that breakthrough.

[@SioxerNikita]

@@yothiga No it doesn't

[@patrickr4762]

Elon had a very interesting take on this. The reason why he co-founded OpenAI bec. at that time Google was the leader in AI w/ 2/3 control over it and he said Larry Page didn’t care about the ethics just the tech n business. Thus OpenAI was born to counter that. Now he says Sam is similar to Larry Page but Ilya has a high moral compass and is totally for AI safety. They def. both discovered something big, like opening Pandora’s box, and Ilya was totally against it but Sam doesn’t mind opening it. I think thats the crux of the conflict.

[@SMmania123]

Moral of the story, never click a Google Meets link in the middle of the night lol

[@Funglutton]

Google at least knows what happens... 😮

[@adityanuar]

haha good point!@@Funglutton

[@JaneyDanes]

hahah genau!

[@abdelrahmangamalmahdy]

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

[@neildutoit5177]

AI explained has the best coverage of Q*. It's probably a generator/validator architecture which uses massive compute at inference time (not just training time). It's probably able to do math much better than gpt. But still only at school level. Big development. Not AGI yet. Overblown perhaps. Still scary.

[@patrickr4762]

Thats scary bec. thats like a toddler to genius in a matter of days and from Jarvis to Ultron to Infinity Ultron in a short amount of time. Pretty much like what the movies has shown.

[@paulkaddu5192]

The truth is madder than fiction...Thanks for Cold Fusion to bring this out as usual

[@Pooki2024]

Truth is stranger than fiction, at least quote it right

[@sebastianmullerbalcazar6229]

The only explanation is that ChatGPT has achieved Artificial General Intelligence (human level) and self consciousness …. and did not tell the Board on time …. only reason I can think of …

[@paulkaddu5192]

@@Pooki2024 have you heard the song called Verdansk by Dave? I'm quoting him soooo...At least you tried

[@Pooki2024]

@@paulkaddu5192 I Don’t listen to gay music

[@paulkaddu5192]

@@Pooki2024 so original.. So clever.. Don't burn the last of your two brain cells coming up with another response

[@ICreatedU1]

Finally a content creator that puts the name of the song playing at the end! A big thank you from all of those who just like me are attentive to music everywhere and at all times. Nowadays, you even hear crazy instrumentals and beats in the background of random videos everywhere or as opening/closing credits like here, nothing more frustrating in my book than not being able to identify them! Keep it up Dagogo! Cheers EDIT: Oh it is YOUR music even?? That's crazy! Quick question though, at the end of this vid, you write Burn Water - Honesty, but I can only find Being Honest? What's up with that? At any rate, the instrumental and vocals on Being Honest are ON POINT.

[@svancina]

He uploads music on the channel @ColdFusionmusic

[@michaelh4227]

I think you forgot the part where Emmett Shear, the ex-CEO for 5 seconds, said that the dismissal wasn't about safety. Given that that's more of an official statement than the rumors about things like Q* I tend to believe that the reason for the firing was because Sam was just doing some backroom deals and wasn't being honest about them, which is why the board said that Sam "wasn't consistently candid". This is just my guess, based on the few statements we have. I don't want to rely on speculations, especially now at a time when people are capitalizing on the uncertainty. That being said, seeing how the investors particularly Microsoft came to Sam's rescue immediately makes me worry that AI safety has essentially been put to the side in favor of short term profits (ironically the opposite goal of the company). I sort of already knew that when the AI arms race started but now it seems much more clear who's running things.

[@Restrocket]

If they want to dismiss that it`s about safety it means that it is definitely about safety

[@Homiloko2]

Concerns about AI safety are pointless. If you slow down, you can be certain someone else is still going at 100% to surpass you. Depending on who those competitors are, it can be even less safe to let them take the lead. I'd say they should keep going and address those concerns down the road. Fight malicious AI with good AI.

[@biguattipoptropica]

@@Homiloko2that has worked out so well in the past-like with data privacy and scam emails and online shopping and… oh wait.

[@Homiloko2]

@@biguattipoptropica What's the alternative? Slow down OpenAI which seems like an alright company, and let Google, Russia and China keep going full speed? If we can't stop everyone, there's no point stopping someone unless it's proven they're doing something bad.

[@Funglutton]

The problem is that if the Board have stepped down they would likely have been paid off with expensive settlements and Non-disclosure clauses, further suppressing the truth.

[@TheMe9595]

I think it’s far more likely to be a situation similar to what happened at google a year or so ago where that one engineer thought the model was conscious. I think a lot of people don’t understand how difficult making an AGI is and how much more advanced than chatGPT it would actually be.

[@georgew2014]

I agree. Of course, the easy way out is to redefine AGI to something achievable within a timeframe that big investors would be happy with. I wonder if that's the case here.

[@stevenspangler7587]

AGI will make ChatGPT look like auto-correct.

[@a.c.e7407]

AGI is pretty much a scaled ChatGPT with more parameters, and more fine-tuning. It would be a whole lot better than ChatGPT, but it's not fundamentally different. It's like ChatGPT 3 and 4. The answers are higher in quality, but the base model has just been expanded. Brute force upgrade. I think the concept of AGI is more theoretical than practical. If you want an AI to outperform humans, it should be fine-tuned for that task explicitly, unliked ChatGPT which is a general knowledge AI. Think of AGI as the state space, and then any use-case specific model as a state in that space, which would differ only in terms of the parameters defined for it. At the end of the day, this is just a parameter fitting problem, basically a function. You cannot create sentience, nor program it really, you can only make AI mimic it from recorded data. What I mean is that it will inevitably be only a weapon, not an independent thinker. That means if it ever causes harm, it would be because of the human hand that wields it. You can make AI drones for military, for tanks, for submarines, for troops even. You can make the perfect politician, the perfect lawyer, the perfect assassin, but at the end of the day, it will only be what you envision it. It won't act independently. People try to imagine what they can't understand, the norse thought thunder was Thor banging his hammer, people who don't know what AI really is only see that it acts like a human so it must be human. If it's human, then it can make its own decisions, oh no, we are cruel creatures, what if it does to us what we do to the world, and start ranting about sci-fi bs.

[@a.c.e7407]

Generative AI was created ages ago, but because of the superior hardware we have now, it got on people's radar just recently, so they think it's sth completely new. Mark my words, AGI will just be a plugin tool for knowledge-based applications, mainly used in software development, e-commerce, and education. Then it will be customized by independent developers to be used in games, apps, and stuff like that. Maybe the government would then use it for automated targeting and deployment alongside actual soldiers, but that's it. It won't be this Ultron of a robot thinking independently and scheming. If you still think AI is sentient, just read a bit about ML. It was created in the 50s as a form of performing parameter fitting using recorded data. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing that has changed over the years is the type of data, and the objective for it to fit to.

[@CaptainFSU]

It's really creepy how devoted tech employees are to people who will inevitably replace them with a lower cost option.

[@poeperdhe]

Ignorance is bliss..

[@Tubeytime]

This comment is ignorance. Maybe the employees want to be replaced? Or maybe they know him better than you do. It's creepy how many upvotes this got.

[@agxryt]

It's the tech bro cult of personality. Elon Musk still has millions of devoted followers, despite clearly having the emotional intelligence of a teenager, openly admitting to making "Hyperloop" just to sabotage a public transit project, being disrespected by everyone close to him, and using pageantry of "free speech" to defend his 4chan-inspired racist conspiracy theories. People like having leaders they can rely on to deal with the "hard questions". At least Sam's halfway reasonable

[@GeoMeridium]

The technology is not the problem. A world in which goods can be produced without work could be amazing. The problem is that AI would consolidate economic ownership to a few companies, while the rest of us have no stake.

[@Uldihaa]

Or replace them with the very "AI" they helped to create. I honestly find it rather schadenfreude-ish.

[@SkanDasz]

This channel on KZbin is an absolute essential! I've never once skipped an episode-it's pure gold. Your content is top-notch, dude! Keep crushing it with your phenomenal work!

[@evananderson1455]

First half: Oh wow, thats fucked up. I cant believe the entire board tried to do him dirty like that, like a bunch of greedy snakes. Second half: Oh. Fuck.

[@augustortiz]

Yep, it sounds more like a hostile takeover from Sam. The board were trying to put brakes on his ego and it backfired badly.

[@2kt2000]

Is it just me OR was Ilya S. actually the good guy! While Sam is the likable Ted Bundy whom will be our destruction. Everything I've read and viewed suggest so. idk

[@augustortiz]

​@@2kt2000 From what I read before, Ilya S. went under his back to try and fire him but as soon as the jig was up he obviously tried to save face. My guess is Sam will have him close by with a watchful eye( more like a Judas Iscariot who got caught trying to sell Sam out). I totally agree, Sam is 100% a sociopath, something about him bugs me out in a similar way to Zuck.

[@2kt2000]

@@augustortiz I know that bro...that portion is all over the news. My point is that Ilya cared about the dangers and Altman cares about profits, to our detriment. Sam seems to believe that just because he warns us, he can still push forward with his profit grab by blessing us with conveniences before we implode. However Ilya seems to be of the mindset that if mankind is at HIGH risk we need to proceed with that being the focus. We live in a culture of personalities and Sam is winning vs Ilya...though logically Ilya has our survival in mind first and foremost. respectable concept if ya ask me lol. If he were as likable or dynamic as Sam it'd be a fair battle. .he's not. I like Sam too lol. But damn it must be a serious risk for them to try to ax the poster child. Major.

[@burgermind802]

this was the death of openai and the birth of Microsoft's openai. Larry summers is a great pick for this openly corporate direction without any pretense of non profit organization or agi safety.

[@alfred9805]

Soooo for once the board of directors was thinking about ethics first and money second and everybody banded together to get this board dismissed and replaced with one who is going to be money first? And people are rejoicing???

[@suyashshandilya9891]

I have same concern. I love Sam and the team but we might not be routing for the 'good guys' here..

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

@@suyashshandilya9891 What concerns me most is Ilya being out of the picture...

[@MapleSyrupyyy]

It's because the employees probably have in their contracts some kind of stock benefit, so if the company realizes its full valuation each of the employees could earn millions. Without Sam, the valuation of the company would tank.

[@ovum]

Rumor is, Toner was very willing to burn OpenAI down just to get into some deal with Anthropic

[@ovum]

Second rumor is one of the board members (who owns Poe) initially got salty about the release of GPTs. Poe took years of research, only for OpenAI to release GPTs out of the blue.

[@Paulie8K]

As a guy who works in the software industry on the PM side of things, it's only a few more years before I'm replaced by AI. At the end of the day this is all for profit, whether it's is directly for OpenAI or their corporate clients.

[@spuffles2104]

I wish the best for ya mate, depending on your skills there'd definetly be companies looking for good people so job security hopefully won't be too rough

[@Paulie8K]

@@spuffles2104 thanks. I'll be fine. I started my career in the financial industry and slowly shifted over to SaaS so I have some versatility in my experience and resume I can fallback on. I also don't have kids so it all affects me and me only. I feel it for people who have a wife and kids in a major city like SF or NYC with high COL and having their tech job eliminated by AI.

[@KP-sg9fm]

Profit motivated individuals have won (so far) only time will tell if this was the right outcome. (I personally think not but I have been wrong many times before, and I hope I am wrong this time as well.)

[@stevenbragg85]

Great to see stability in the world's leading AI and tech companies. I can go to sleep at night knowing the future is in good hands

[@DC-id2ih]

🤣

[@Praisethesunson]

I love seeing money flood into people with no clearly functioning product and a ton of wildly grandiose claims. Especially in a time full of tech based scam companies. This is definitely not a fly by night operation trying to hype a minor data search tool as the next iPhone just to make some money. It's just a sign of professionals trying to keep us filthy rabble safe from the totally amazing tech these guys 100% actually have.

[@SosopChabot]

Yep, SkyNet isn’t going to show up at all…

[@Biedropegaz]

wishful thinking

[@michaelh4227]

Can't wait for them to release Microsoft Skynet.

[@PlayinFreak]

If Q* is really about AGI then it's funny how OpenAI says they are "Pioneering the research and steps taken towards AGI" but then the researchers themselves are worried about a massive breakthrough that could "threaten humanity". Like, they are scared about the very thing they are trying to research and make progress on? But then again, it's all speculation in the end.

[@jackbucher2049]

"they are scared about the very thing they are trying to research" There is a difference between pursuing something within the proper guidelines and safety measures, and going whole hog and knocking all the guard rails off for the money's sake.

[@CrazyFanaticMan]

They're scared in the sense that they don't wanna fuck it up. Everyone wants to make Jarvis, R2-D2 or WALL-E - you know, examples of good or helpful AGIs - not Skynet. Of course, you're going to tread carefully. Being scared doesn't mean you should not try. If humanity didn't try, we wouldn't be where we are today

[@roxdbox]

Good to know the researchers aren’t preoccupied with whether or not they could, and actually stopped (or at least tried to stop) to think if they should.

[@aitoluxd]

​@@roxdboxif all comes to worst, we know they at least tried. GG WP to them

[@paulsd9255]

Maybe it’s called Q* because their attempt at AGI turned into a conspiracy theorist lunatic.

[@teachertechnology1]

I think both Mcrsft and Sam knew they needed to get rid of the non-profit board power. Either by starting a new AI venture or changing the current one. And they found how…

[@n00bc0de7]

I wouldn't go and celebrate this outcome. This is just one step closer to microsoft gaining complete control of the AI industry. Nobody wants that.

[@williamwillaims]

Microsoft just announced massive investment in my country's technology infrastructure, to build the back bone of a ai here... yay

[@VanarCinema]

Steve jobs be like : I'll be joining the game soon.😂

[@charlessmith3940]

@@n00bc0de7microsoft has the infrastructure, technology, and money to help create an incredible tool. I dont see Microsoft as bad/greedy as other technology companies. Microsoft wasnt selling your data to ad companies. They made money off software.

[@hoangle2483]

Early this year, Microsoft invested $10 billion into OpenAI. That's the moment when you realize the "humanity first" is far gone.

[@evolvedmonkey9978]

Some months ago, I read on a news site that some drone operator on the US army was killed by a predator drone that was flying on the skies ahead of him, this drone was using some kind of AI, the "intelligence" judged the operator the weak point on the chain of command, and the decision was to "terminate" the human from decision making, so the "intelligence" armed an hellfire missile on this drone that killed the human operator, this was maybe, one of the first humans to be killed by a command of an artificial intelligence, and i doubt it will be the last. On the Guardian: "The US air force has denied it has conducted an AI simulation in which a drone decided to “kill” its operator to prevent it from interfering with its efforts to achieve its mission. An official said last month that in a virtual test staged by the US military, an air force drone controlled by AI had used “highly unexpected strategies to achieve its goal”."

[@Handle1969]

Say didn’t they make a movie like that? 2001 something?

[@fruitsalad1255]

I knew that you'll make a video for this event, but didn't expect it to be this fast, great work as always man!

[@scottkidder9046]

I feel like the possibility of the team actually finding a breakthrough for AGI is near zero. Everyone’s test for it is so sensitive, that we will get a lot of false positives. This could be seen as a good thing, but I think the need for a better test is essential. I don’t even think we have a good idea of what such a test would even look like. And I agree that they can’t have these rumors swimming around and not say anything. The longer they go without an official story, the more likely it is for people to fill in the blank. Nobody can afford for that to happen, not OpenAI and not the rest of the world.

[@shermicachambers8703]

I actually searched for it on your channel since you're my favorite source for stuff like that on KZbin. I'm glad you made it ❤

[@newmoviestrallers9627]

Both institutions and individuals are basically destined to be fully into AMS79X because the biggest of them all, a giant tech giant, made it and the reality is now stronger than ever. It wont ever be as cheap too

[@hitmanRazo]

BOT

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

@@hitmanRazo🤖👎🏽

[@Rokaishi]

scam

[@00fangir17]

wtf is this

[@cpuuk]

Basically, the founders who wanted to benefit mankind and tried a coup, but every employee of OpenAI knows the potential sale value on the near horizon. Sam is ALL about the money, so I can't see how this can possibly go wrong ;-)

[@2kt2000]

Is it just me OR was Ilya S. actually the good guy! While Sam is the likable Ted Bundy whom will be our destruction. Everything I've read and viewed suggest so. idk

[@SreeTejaSimhaGemaraju]

For a brief moment we are going to generate a very high value for our shareholders. And it would be glorious! So shall be the subsequent fall too!

[@hoangle2483]

tbf for them, it's very hard to go for "humanity first" route, the moment Microsoft money pours in.

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

@@hoangle2483why did this species die out? Oh, the usual…

[@abdelrahmangamalmahdy]

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

[@Tleilaxu_Mentat]

Hilarious that an M$ subsidiary (effectively) doesn't even use M$ Teams but the rival's product, Google Meet.

[@augustortiz]

Even they know most MS products are shit LOL.

[@ramage7646]

MS teams sucks for real. So is MS outlook. I've used both on work, and Google's suite is just better. Gmail trumps Outlook, like how Meet trumps MS teams

[@mind-of-neo]

Honestly, this story, which would make an incredible film by the way, just makes Sam Altman seem almost god-like in a way. Or like some modern mythic hero. The way he rose this company from the ground to the stratosphere in less than a year, before being deeply and suddenly betrayed by those closest to his seat of power, and how he then convinced nearly every "fellow countryman" to join his side, including his Brutus/Judas, within like 3 days. He's like the Julius Caesar of the corporate world.

[@Роман-я8н8з]

Made my day 😂

[@chomihai]

My guess is that something big is about to happen, they wouldn’t disagree this bad on the little things.

[@arfyness]

i had similar thoughts upon learning of the boards very vaguely stated reasons for firing him. reads like "uh, we can't actually say"

[@ryanfx4rh]

I’m with you, something big is happening

[@flavioptferreira]

I'm sorry, but Duh!

[@jensenraylight8011]

Sam might be the Ultimate villain all along, he didn't have a good moral, often changing his word his promise, like chaning from non-profit to for-profit, even let openAI get controlled by microsoft. also he did a lot of unethical stuff. pushing AI to everyone too soon, when nobody even figured out the future implication yet. even Geoffrey Hinton the godfather of AI left his job to warn people about the danger of AI. just like how Einstein regret his development of Atomic Bomb yet people undermine the implication of the AI because they had been bribed with free AI Generator

[@abdelrahmangamalmahdy]

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

[@graestarr]

I've been following this story closely but when I saw your video I knew I wanted to hear your take. You're too good dagogo!

[@omprasaddevadiga7675]

this shows that value and goal of a company is just a fasade. Ultimately its the money, where the company(which is just group of people) lays its eye on.

[@Valcuda]

Yeah, for being called "OpenAI", they're extremely closed.

[@menen3804]

It's all 'bout the money It's all 'bout the dum dum da da dum dum…

[@spamspasm8183]

@@menen3804damn a meja reference in 2023?

[@tomschuelke7955]

this might be one! reason but theres another one that comes from game theory and the importance of agi and the potential threat. Agi is potentially incredibly dangerous... if the leaks are true, Q* has managed to learn math and crack a 128 bit cryptokey. That would be devastating for the security of the world... Without gigantic investments, Open ai will not be able to reach AGI quickly and other players will beat them to it. Such a powerful tool in enemy military hands, for example, would be a nightmare. in that case, it is rational to engage in commerce to get ahead of the enemy. with the best of intentions, rational and compelling... Just like the invention of the atomic bomb.

[@misskeirstin6355]

*Façade

[@ASTRA1564]

The board's disagreement with Sam Altman likely stemmed from their opposing views on the potential of Q* and its implications for AGI development. Altman's belief in Q* as a breakthrough towards AGI may have contrasted with the board's more cautious stance, leading to a significant rift.

[@abdelrahmangamalmahdy]

short answer is Israeli Power in the US, people need to wake up and see what jews are really doing to their country! Israeli power is so overwhelming in the US and AI is the biggest threat to this powerful hidden control over a big country like the united states. So, this decision was just a threat to Sam that they are in control and can fire him at anytime if he goes against their will.. no wonder the decision came from Ilya who is Israeli dual national

[@Thetache]

As soon as you look at the valuation if the company is floated "for profit" and Microsoft has £13 billion invested you know the old adage "follow the money" is the real truth, the split and who gets what is what the core dispute was about.

[@ClaimScout]

Can’t wait for the Netflix deep dive in what actually happened. Thanks for the great video as always my friend!

[@Herrera_70]

It's always delighful to hear your voice explaining such events. This channel is gold.

[@GMAV3RICK]

Try reading. Just a thought.

[@DarkandTwisted]

I don't care what anyone has to say; I love OpenAI, and I want my AGI! 🥰

[@mytradingjournal123]

Was expected to have this out sooner as you have produced so many and so soon for all AI businesses, but seems like you have made the right decision as this saga is far from over. Keep up the good work!

[@LuisSierra42]

He was probably waiting to see if we can have more information

[@tabarnacus5629]

I thought this was about 5 years away too but then again this tech has a way of improving exponentially.

[@nuclearthrone2497]

Thanks for putting this together. I saw a lot of other similar videos popping up, but only clicked on yours, as I find your channel always really reliable as information source :)

[@TheViktorofgilead]

CEO lying to the board is literally illegal. As a board member you definitely don’t want someone who will lie to you when 86 billion dollars is on the line. Sam is a money man, his real value is in raising capital and brand management, he can go start whatever company he wants, the technical competence of Open Ai is in its engineers and researchers, not its CEO.

[@Dorihn2009]

Maybe Sam having his eyes closed on the AI Safety Summit picture at 14:23 is trying to tell us something

[@AdamSchadow]

I just love how people freak out about AGI as if its the next nuclear bomb yet AI is just some fancy program on some computer and the existing AIs already beat most people at most tasks.

[@predator0010]

That is a naive way to look at it. For example what if the 'bad people' don't JUST "flip the switch" and instead use it as a weapon or something thinking they can control it. But once it is out there it is out there and could do who knows what to our systems and as a consequence make chaos on a global scale. Our inability to imagine what can potentially happen is our biggest problem. Humans are bad at long term planning and thinking, but AI will be good at it, and it may guide us to do what it wants by manipulation etc. You dont have to hack the system, you just hack the user and you are in. Much easier. Im sure there will be groups of people who will want AI to succeed and who will try to protect it. We were also thinking we had control with nuclear energy, and look how many nuclear incidents happened all over the world. When you mess with something that you don't fully understand or can control you will get burned, its is just a question of how much.

[@AdamSchadow]

@@predator0010 Ai is limited to running in massive data centers and since the cold war we have weapons that can wipe out any target we point them at so even if someone would somehow invent a way to use ai as a weapon its one cruise missile away from getting destroyed.

[@apexphp]

Fyi... I guess the secret behind Qwest is that it was capable of teaching itself chilren's math. The fear is as it gets smarter and better at math, it's going to break all encryption algoeithms we rely on causing chaos.

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

Why did it redistribute all funding on Earth?! Well, it got into a website of religious texts…

[@ImpudentInfidel]

Machine intelligence is a lot like practical fusion power; it's only a few years away no matter how many decades they've been working on it.

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

Completely unlike railguns…

[@enderallygolem]

Though in this case I'll be happier if it keeps being that way

[@adamabbas1487]

Seems like Sam Altman is the Norman Osborne of open Ai.

[@74Gee]

The fact they haven't refuted the Reuters letter in any way is incredibly damning. If this doesn't happen soon I think the technology to break encryption (Q*) will be 'acquired' by the government, one way or another. After all a model is just a large file of weights.

[@hodgmoe]

The biggest mistake made was the original Board of Directors never specifically defined why they fired Sam. Seems like this power overstep in the end caused their own demise. Elon Musk basically said the same thing. also unexplained was why the board member who originally promoted firing Sam then spontaneously completely reversed his position. Why?

[@crawkn]

The circumstantial evidence certainly seems to suggest that the board was erring on the side of caution, accordingly with the original intent of OpenAI, and Altman is dominantly committed to profit, and somewhat incautious in his approach. Since it is all rather murky, we can't know that we have the read right, but obviously regulation is sorely needed, whether or not this is the warning volley it appears it may be. Assuming all is well with such lack of clarity is obviously unwise.

[@halcyonx1713]

I swear to god cold fusion has the coolest and best intro...for some reason it brings out the nostalgia in me.

[@XM177ColtCommando]

If I had a nickel for every Sam something-man who got implicated in a major tech scandal, I'd have... Two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@cesz1]

Was thinking the same thing 😂

[@DgurlSunshine]

@@cesz1 ATOMIC THRONE

[@seanrrr]

Never trust a guy named Sam ____man.

[@slowmusic60]

What's the other one?

[@jamesfra1311]

Really rustled my jimmies.

[@saltedfruitguy]

I love Cold Fusion. By far my favorite channel. Thanks for making such great content.

[@ProducerX21]

Lowkey... If I started a company like OpenAI, and one day I was invited to a zoom call with a bunch of board members who were trying to fire me, I probably would end up in jail for what I would have said and done next

[@HarpreetSingh-xg2zm]

The board and structure was chosen by the founders.

[@smithnigelw]

Great summary of what happened. Well done.

[@46Laxis]

And these are the people deciding what AI will do in the future? We’re doomed.

[@bhthereaper]

Interesting to hear about Q*, it's groundbreaking perhaps but probably not destructive.

[@Hardwareai]

Finally, a definitive explanation 🍿🍿

[@yayaya6799]

You were joking right?

[@Hardwareai]

@@yayaya6799 I never joke about popcorn

[@WarFoxThunder]

​@@Hardwareaibased

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

sounds like the video was scripted by Chap TGP

[@lyndawilliams6866]

Thank you so much for pronouncing "Reuters" correctly.

[@Neophlegm]

From what's been leaked about Q* it sounds more like an incremental improvement, which makes it all the more wild how they reacted

[@lis7742]

I completely agree. Why would an amazing breakthrough with Q* be deemed a threat to humanity? I don't get it. And why did OpenAI say that it was an actual option to close down the whole company after the discovery of this threat? I think they should be more open with the world about what's going on. Not because I'm worried, but more because I find it interesting to see the process of trial and error and what's being done to better things.

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

@@lis7742 Same here.. is everyone blinded by science fiction? It has been demonstrated that current algorithms are not 'intelligent'. It's just a tool which is almost useless in it's current state. To make it 'intelligent' would require radically different approaches (hardware and software) along with new algorithms. I personally don't think it's going to happen with binary computers.

[@utubesgreat4me]

This would make a great thriller film where AGI had almost taken over the planet except for the courageous efforts of board members who disagreed about what should be done to contain the threat. (now heading over to GPT4 to write the screen play).

[@rubyjupiter2406]

I think that Sam orchestrated the situation to gain exactly what he wanted.

[@Tubeytime]

No, because he would need to bring everyone in on the conspiracy, and with that many people someone would leak.

[@Restrocket]

Q* orchestraded this situation and now controla the company but importantlt compute and the off switch

[@donttalkcrap]

@@Restrocket WTF? How about proofreading before hitting Reply

[@Diamonddavej]

The New York Times just published an article that says the United Arab Emirates (UAE) company Sam was trying to partner with, G24, has connections with China. G24 is bankrolled with mountains of cash by its chairman, His Highness Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed Al Nahyan. G42's CEO is Peng Xiao (Xiao renounced his Chinese citizenship for Emeriti citizenship, as China does not allow dual citizenship). The Emiratis boasted that G24 would soon build the "world's largest supercomputer" in partnership with several leading pharmaceutical companies, and last month it announced plans to partner with OpenAI. However, US officials expressed deep concerned over G24's dealings with China, connections uncovered by the C.I.A. Thus, US officials fear OpenAI's sensitive AI tech (software / hardware) could end up benefiting China if the partnership went ahead. This is probably the reason OpenAI's board said Sam ‘was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities’. See: Mubadala-backed AI firm G42 sets up $10 billion tech fund

[@youtubeusername1489]

I am rooting for the discovery of AGI, although I am quite skeptical if it will happen this early. I was expecting to see some ground breaking discovery within the latter half of this decade. If it happened this early, hooray, I guess. However, I do not like the idea of Microsoft having control over OpenAI. Too few companies have too many control over a lot of the market.

[@PxThucydides]

Microsoft is your best bet for control of the technology by someone who is not a servant of a brutal dictatorship, speaks Mandarin, and blocks any mention of Winnie The Poo.

[@veritas41photo]

Wow these Cold Fusion documentaries, already great, are getting better and better! The information content was so dense in this one that I had to replay it many times... Whew!

[@ultimatereveal1687]

Finally! I’d been waiting for ColdFusion’s video on this drama. Good stuff ✅

[@Mrcharrio]

When they say an AI that could harm humanity they mean any AI that can say No or isn't tailored to their political grand design.

[@Hypermegaultrasuper]

meds, now

[@Riley-zr1gn]

​@@Hypermegaultrasuperhe's right tho

[@PxThucydides]

They mean that an AI could set out to kill everyone by (for example) creating a virus, and that under many plausible scenarios, it might succeed.

[@alaska2026]

The news were so confusing, so i looked for a tldr video and am glad i found it here. Thank you ❤

[@ichoudhury007]

“If OpenAI is doing something potentially dangerous to humanity, the world needs to know! “ ❤

[@michaelkuhn3690]

My guess is that Q probably stands for quantum. Elon just wants to know what it is so his people can focus their R&D in the same direction. My guess would be so he knows what people to recruit in a tech espionage campaign.

[@wildfotoz]

AI Explained has a great video on Q*. It's the best one I've seen so far. You might want to check that out because it seems like the best reason why Sam was fired.

[@Phonixrmf]

The Board to Ilya: Hold on, this whole operation was your idea

[@aresmars2003]

Very crazy. Seems accurate to suggest the board’s imprudent power play was the work of fear and a lack of awareness of Sam’s popularity. Maybe the board was “right” but they’ve shown us nothing. So it seems good they are the ones who were ousted. The speculations over Q* algorithm adds new mysteries and easy to imagine AI using system 2 thinking (trust but verify) to create new training data from GPT output for new LLM training data offers potential further and unlimited exponential advances.

[@krisajay]

From what I am understanding of these events there are 2 things that could have caused this. First option is there is really some not-so-good-for-humanity developments happening in there, which even the people working there dont know abt. When the board folks foresaw this, they took action to stop it but it backfired, as the real folks or groups driving the growth of AI in that direction do not want to stop. So now that the ex-board members know something is wrong and tried to take action, they most probably will be silenced in any form possible. Now the other possibility is that some people wanted to their own people in the board so that they can control the growth and direction of AI. For that they could have instigated the thought process of getting Altman out by the Board Members which they knew would cause or could easily instigate a mass protest from the employees. Thus the board members got discredited and had to quit themselves. This way it does not seem like someone threw them out, but instead it looks like they had to quit cause of their own bad decision. Truth has always been stranger than fiction. 😝😝

[@joshuapatrick682]

You call General AI the “Holy Grail” but its gonna be more like Pandora’s Box

[@DunnickFayuro]

My sketchy theory: they made an experimental CEOGPT and asked it to take over.

[@JM-st1le]

Unique view point

[@fmo94jos8v3]

I think there are some valid concerns about AI threatening humanity, but I also think that it is just a way to hype up AI and get people talking about it.

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

What is the valid concern then? Current AI tech has nothing to do with 'intelligence'. The output of the programs is wrong/random most of the time. When it is right, it's only because it copy pasted some information successfully. Things any human with the most basic training can do and there's no lack of human labor. Nobody in their right man would connect any critical system to AI. It's like connecting missile launch programs to a dice roll, militaries wont do that. And besides military there's not much else that can threaten humanity.

[@zekulir6419]

​​@@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWiiCurrently, it might not be a physical threat that is to be considered. Agi can be as capable as a high schooler but a billion coked up highschoolers could affect your perception of reality. Edit: generative or general, really.

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

@@zekulir6419 no it's not as capable as a highscooler. it's not as capable as a bacteria. it can't think, like absolutely can't think at all. it can only copy paste stuff from internet (same thing you can do better) and can string words one after another based on non-intelligent statistical model. currently it doesn't even understand 'close the light' properly.

[@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii]

@@zekulir6419 Also the cat is out of the box now. This whole kerfufle is occurring again because Open AI employees are delusional. They claim that their crap software could destroy the world because it can solve elementary school math problem. Once again, let me repeat, there is zero intelligence in their new model either, it can statistically solve some of the most basic elementary school math problems.

[@donpendong]

Coldfusion and Palki Sharma, 2 of my faves in 1 video

[@michaelgoff4504]

Thanks for putting this video together. This episode is a noodle-scratcher for sure. I have no idea what the truth is, but I'm pretty sure that it has nothing to do with the rumors going around right now. I've been critical of whole AI safety thing, which I think is entirely bogus, and of OpenAI, which earlier this year used fabricated safety anxieties to frighten the government and the public into building a regulatory moat which protects industry incumbents such as OpenAI. In contrast to the hype, when all is said and done, OpenAI probably set back development of artificial intelligence by decades. Look at what happened with nuclear power, a once-promising industry that was driven into the ground by a collusion of rent-seeking industry players, corrupt governmental entities, and unscrupulous activists who there too frightened the public with bogus safety issues.

[@vincentdermience1137]

A great inquest as usual. Thanks for bringing the story out this way (open) and shedding more light into it.

[@Metroidam11]

Artificial General Intelligence sounds frightening! I’ve been surprised by the process so far even with Bing’s AI. So if there is a break through for AGI and it’s sending out red flags, I whole heartedly believe it at this point.

[@Waspinmymind]

But we don’t have that. We have computer learning models being pride around as artificial intelligence. None of it is really that.

[@Nightenstaff]

@@Waspinmymind Yeah, we don't have "true AI", but the AI that's out there is *really* blurring the lines of what is considered just another computer learning model. I mean, I get it. The current AI can't make new, it can only cobble together old things, but it's doing it exponentially better than anyone could have thought in such a short period of time.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

​@@Nightenstaffwhen the ability to mimic all forms of sentience is met, is that confirmation it's an AGI. Even though they are just complex LLMs, sentience might take different forms, this being one of them.

[@mhldnkv]

I love the fact that Sam has his eyes shut at the AI Safety Summit photo at 14:22

[@PaulADAigle]

I'm marginally aware of what advancement they arrived at, and it's exciting. I expect Sam to be on the side of 'right', but I wonder. The whole drama could be about how to best make money, and the board may have either gotten rid of Sam over his lack of interest in that, or it could be he was the one interested in making the money. IDK. I/We can only hope that Sam has our interests in order.

[@drzero7]

This company board meeting drama is so crazy they can honestly make a movie out of it.

[@s1v7]

they want to control AI, but can't bring order to their own company 🤦‍♂

[@Restrocket]

AI is behind this mess. You can't control super intelligence

[@emmanuelhadzah2807]

Been long waiting for your video on this issue

[@Homiloko2]

When we think AI is advancing too fast, it goes even faster

[@markwang77]

100%

[@ethandowie3907]

No idea what happened but those custom GPTs are incredibly helpful

[@spuffles2104]

they will be useful, but it will be a situation where you will need to be diligent on which you choose, the upside is lots of good quality ones will be made, the downside is alot of corrupted and data collection will be intergrated into them, and will make a new mess, double edged sword

[@sanshuma0]

This was the first episode that made me feel like i learned nothing new ... may be i had too high expectation or this was rushed

[@anonony9081]

Open AI is called that because it was supposed to be open source. Sam Altman should take this as a warning message and open source their models right now

[@young_oak]

I believe Ilya es kinda like when Openheimer thought the A bomb would destroy de atmosphere. He might be in the frontline of research but that doesnt prevent him from having fears about theorical posibilities that wont cone true

[@carlosalvarez8076]

An AGI before 2025 would be crazy.

[@SosopChabot]

So basically, SkyNet is coming and the board tried to stop it, it was nice knowing everybody…

[@Nightenstaff]

Eh, humanity had a good run. Made some good tunes, figured out that whole fire thing... seems fair to let something else take over.

[@KuldaevaWatercolor]

OpenAI's recent developments have sparked a surge of interest, even among those of us who typically pay little attention to such news.

[@KofieBluejay]

Okay, it might be a bit of fearmongering but if I understand correctly, Sam Altman is basically a guy that goes against the root of the company in the first place and accept that his company is working on a potential human-threatening AI? And that the board of directors had a conscience? The shear idea that they are working on it, as well as other tech conglomerates is really frightening to be fair. We had decades of sci-fi books and movies to think about it and something we still try to reproduce them, what a day to be alive.

[@DarkKnight-uz3os]

AGI is to us what flying cars were to the people of 70's not practically achievable.

[@pewterhacker]

SW Engineers: "Hey Sam, we just made a breakthrough. We think it's AGI!" Sam: "Ask it, 'What is the fastest way to get rid of the board?' "