Colditz S1 E12 Murder

[@keithashley6298]

Hepton, Macallum, Lacy, Judd, Meyer, all great actors.

[@lindsayvigor4535]

😊

[@c.morees9698]

Great detective work.....outsmarting the Gestapo!

[@chelseamoss3379]

Ron Lacey is superb, as always

[@ArmyJames]

“Your fire…..is dying here. Why don’t you tell me where the piece is right now?”

[@chelseamoss3379]

@@ArmyJames That's him! ❤

[@evo5dave]

Ironic that Ronald Lacey was set to become probably the most famous Gestapo Officer in cinema history

[@mnd1955]

So he was. I'd forgotten he was in Colditz. This was a must-watch when I was a kid.

[@angelacooper2661]

Horrible Harris of Porridge fame, known for being a despicable nerk and a scrote!

[@angelacooper2661]

Horrible Harris of Porridge fame- what a despicable nerk and a scrote!

[@angelacooper2661]

Horrible Harris of Porridge fame is Polish? That despicable nerk and a scrote comes from Warsaw. Are Fletcher and Godber aware of it?

[@michaelchristian5089]

David McCallum & the Polish leader [using the sketch pad] were both in "The Great Escape".

[@mkrbrtsn1]

What part did the Polish guy play? I've seen that movie 357 times!

[@michaelchristian5089]

@@mkrbrtsn1 In TGE he is the uniformed SS officer alongside the plain clothed Ghestapo men who arrive with 'Big X' [Richard Attenborough].... ...not David Attenborough his brother; He does the BBC wildlife stuff... ...He was also in "The Guns of Navarone".

[@jacksainthill8974]

Insomnia can be very deceptive. One can have slept for some minutes at a time, but feel convinced that it never happened.

[@vimalr5289]

[@deangarbutt5883]

This is very true i had a car accident some years ago and i suffer from alot of back pain that makes it so i can sometimes beup for 2-4 days but i get so tierd that i catch myself falling asleep for brief periods here and there.

[@steve24822]

True, but that is narcolepsy not insomnia.

[@steve24822]

Sorry, don't mean to pick holes.

[@Kelly14UK]

Insomnia is a Hell on the head, no one would ever want.

[@debbief9861]

The Kommandant is a canny old devil, always mindful of the Gestapo and SS looking for an excuse to take over Colditz. This would be a terrible event for everyone at the camp!

[@michaelchristian5089]

The camp commandant in "The Great Escape" also despises the Ghestapo & the SS.

[@billbrydon3725]

The tune played on the coronet when the senior officers meet, and then afterwards on the accordian is the old music hall song "Two Lovely Black Eyes" (Two lovely black eyes/oh, what a surprise/only for telling a man he was wrong/two lovely black eyes).

[@xx3868]

The Polish Major who didnt kill the German was also in The first indianna Jones movie and Blakes 7!!

[@johnking5174]

8:15 - Every time you see Bernard Hepton drink what appears to be gin, you can be fairly assured it was simply water in that glass, as the BBC would not waste money on actual alcohol,

[@hammerlou2718]

Is there episode 16??

[@AudieHolland]

*John King* Are you funny in the head? No film or tv production would allow alcohol to be drunk during takes. Because actors have to be professional, they have to be able to perform. Ever heard of multiple takes? Or do you believe every scene shot on film or video is done in a single take? Drunk actors are unprofessional and that is why they will find they are out of a job. While filming the cannabis scene for "Platoon," the actors did actually smoke weed before shooting began. However, as with any production, they had to do a few retakes. By that time they were no longer stoned but rather feeling unhappy. But still they had to continue.

[@johnking5174]

@@AudieHolland You are wrong, because in Upstairs Downstairs the drinks provided were real drinks, and so when Richard Bellamy poured himself a whisky in the Morning Room it was real. How do I know this? The actors told us so. So, you want to begin trolling behind your keyboard - fine, but please be a bit more respectful.

[@AudieHolland]

@@johnking5174 Sure, 'the actors told you so.' LOL They musta been doing their own stunts I guess?

[@johnking5174]

@@AudieHolland Yes, Simon Williams who played James Bellamy was at a special event for a charity here in England. Fantastic time had, we spent two hours with him talking about his life and career. In a Q and A session, we got to ask him questions, and of course Upstairs Downstairs was the key topic. One young woman asked him if all the food and drink prepared and shown on screen was real. He said it was. He said, the downstairs food in the servants hall was real food and drink brought in to Studio 1 at the Southbank Studios of London Weekend Television including alcohol. He joked that London Weekend Television were stingy as they would never fill a decanter full up of brandy or whisky, but would fill it up 1/3 full, to save money - but did you hear what he said, they filled the decanters with real brandy and whisky. That comes from the mouth of the actor who worked there. What more proof do you need. And if you don't believe me, I suggest you email Simon Williams through his management agency, and ask him, I will provide you with the email address if you want?

[@Albukhshi]

Law and Order: Colditz :P

[@xx3868]

I dont knwo if this was a true story for Colditz but unlike the compassionate Commandant here and in the movie "The great Escape" , the Germans would have gone ape shit and rounded everyone up and very stressful and the fact they could pass this off as a suicide seems unlikely although back then they didnt have the science of entry wound angles and residue on the dead germans hand if he fired the gun. today, no way would this be a suicide. If they never found the murderer, this would be very worrisome with that person loose as the Colonel is responsible for all in his camp and charge...

[@padgecrack4018]

German captains sure have a penchant for leather 😂

[@ArmyJames]

I thought all Germans did.

[@TitusFFM]

Yes we do

[@padgecrack4018]

@@ArmyJames captains doh

[@lakedistrict9450]

Hitler was a vegetarian.

[@121Swaleskid]

26:58 that's too true, mine is always squashed when I open it :(

[@justininfrance]

"Ten centimeters of laces" surely no British person would have used the word 'centimeters' at that time, or even knew what it was? He would have said four inches. In fact I still use feet and inches rather than the metric system.

[@hawkerhellfire9152]

That was to make it sound more German.

[@bruceburgess3580]

Saurat, most tradesmen all use feet and inches and thousandth of an inch still to this day

[@HansWurst1569]

@@bruceburgess3580 no? cause its an inferior system of mesurement lol imperial is only still being used in only a few countries.

[@COIcultist]

@@HansWurst1569 Yes SI units work well and very well if do calculations involving differing units but if you are cutting metal the thou of inch just is so easy to work with. We work in base 10 but cans and bottles box up more efficiently in dozens or multiples of. It's horses for courses.

[@steve24822]

@@bruceburgess3580 Not in Britain we don't. Everything is bought in metric so trying to using imperial measurements is a complete nightmare. Maybe some really old timers do but I work with guys in their 50s and 60s and they all use metric.

[@INDYOSKARS]

@27:27 *THE DEFINITION OF MADNESS:* "There is no problem with paradox when a person is mad, it´s the cause and definition of madness" *THE DEFINITION OF STUPIDITY:* "Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results"

[@INDYOSKARS]

THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY: "There is no problem with paradox when a person is insane, it is the cause and definition of insanity" -Colditz S1 E12 ´Murder´

[@minxythemerciless]

The plot has a major hole. The guard would have triggered the alarm when he went in.

[@grahamnoble4887]

Stay awake, Ardley, old man. The guards could switch it off in the guard room.

[@spankflaps1365]

Cameo’s by: 27:40 John Savident (I say) Fred Elliot 30:00 Ron Lacey / ‘Arris / Arnold Ernst Toht

[@COIcultist]

21.07 onwards Capt. De L'Aubenque is non-other than Tom Seaton from When The Boat Comes In. John Nightingale. Another class BBC drama. Where did it all go wrong? When did they decide they had to have a sermon in every show?

[@damarekonayaro5781]

Where did it all go wrong?When did they decide they had to have a sermon in every show?" What are you wittering on about ?

[@COIcultist]

@@damarekonayaro5781 This is when the BBC made good dramas, they entertained. True the BBC's Charter has within it a requirement to educate and inform but all the BBC does with drama now is to moralise and virtue signal. Hence, how they have fucked up Dr Who. When the Boat Comes In (as mentioned above) looked at capitalism and socialism in the 20s and 30s almost certainly with a bias towards socialism but it was done with a light touch. Now all they want to do is ram the message down your throat. Stuff whether the programme is any good or not. A series like this or the possibly even better Secret Army would never be made now.

[@pabloznotti6883]

@@damarekonayaro5781 The cast is entirely white and almost entirely male, I think only four small female parts so far. These days they would be required to invent roles for minorites and women, historical accuracy be damned.

[@vanpallandt5799]

@@pabloznotti6883 saw Fury that rather daft tank film - the crew were all varieties of white American men...some German females in it but in the context of an advance into Germany, fair enough

[@mackenshaw8169]

@@damarekonayaro5781 When the BBC stopped making entertaining shows and instead made unwatchable, dreary, politically correct, finger wagging sermons on how evil the audience is which has directly resulted in them losing their licence fee. That is what COIcultist is "wittering" on about.

[@timengineman2nd714]

@ 7:44 a great actor shows how mad his character is without any words....

[@robertwatts1664]

Wasn’t that French soldier in “When the boat comes in “

[@sharonjones873]

27 mins in Fred Elliot from Corrie! 😆

[@shuntguy]

I wonder if the Wagner character could have possibly been OSS. A reporter and author would have been the perfect cover.

[@NoahSpurrier]

The OSS wasn’t founded until after Germany declared war on the US. Wagner’s character in Colditz arrived before the US was pulled into the war with Germany.

[@shuntguy]

@@NoahSpurrier Army intelligence then. After watching the entire series it is strongly hinted in the episode Senior American Officer that he is currently OSS.

[@tungstenkid2271]

How did Marshall get past Brent on the stairs?

[@johnking5174]

Brent might have slipped into a moment's sleep.

[@margyeoman3564]

Thin Plot.

[@kilowhiskeyalpha6078]

There uniforms are so clean and pressed.

[@davidallen2026]

Their.

[@kilowhiskeyalpha6078]

@@davidallen2026 oops!

[@iandenyer2372]

Yeah.... It's almost as if the Germans have a laundry or something... Oh, wait.. They do....

[@jacksainthill8974]

Why on earth would the perpetrator think that the lace could still be retrieved from the scene? It would have been expected to have been taken away for safe keeping by then.

[@Londonfogey]

He wasn't trying to get the lace, he was trying to get his plimsolls from the CO's room, assuming that the Germans were going to check to see if any had a broken lace. It's a bit of a feeble trick as one would be likely to remember if one's lace had broken.

[@rastrats]

@@Londonfogey surely all their laces would have broken by then and they would have had to either mend or mismatch their own laces?

[@timengineman2nd714]

@@rastrats Probably hoping to switch it with a lace that had a much shorter piece missing... or perhaps even put in a pair of new laces. I'm pretty sure that Red Cross Parcels would include such things as laces, a few uniform buttons, the right color of thread for uniform repairs, needles, etc.

[@Kelly14UK]

Preston is missing his reds on the shoulder blades. Hate to be that point out guy.

[@johnking5174]

He was a member of the Territorial Army, not regular army, which may explain the difference

[@Kelly14UK]

@@johnking5174 He must have had at least 2 jackets. He's got a jacket where there are red markings that when out of focus, look like poppies.

[@johnking5174]

@@Kelly14UK In POW camps, clothes for the prisoners was always a problem, and many prisoners had clothes shipped to them via the Red Cross. The Nazis allowed this, especially with the armies of Britain, France, USA, Canada etc, western armies. However shipments of clothing was never consistent, and there were times many officers had to rely on clothing which did not serve their rank. They were just grateful to have them. Remember when they were captured, they were not carrying around with them bags of luggage.

[@Kelly14UK]

@@johnking5174 Ta.

[@christianpatriot7439]

How did the insomniac know that the Kraut was killed by his own gun? Just why would the Kommandant let anyone but Preston know that the guard was dead? All the POWs would have known is that a gun went off during the night.

[@paulwebb6087]

Why didn't the courtyard guard hear the shot and surely the german cpl wouldn't have risked switching on the parcels office lights

[@JamesTobiasStewart]

On the matter of the lights, I suspect that was a matter of pure convenience for the viewer, so that it would be bright enough to see what was going on. I agree that it would be unlikely in real life. The sound of the shot though is a very good point, there are always guards in position and the Luger is hardly silent in its rapport.

[@christianpatriot7439]

If there is a French general in Colditz, why is Colonel Preston the Kommandant's go-to man? The general would be the senior allied officer.

[@johnking5174]

The Wehrmacht officers trusted the British army more than any other

[@christianpatriot7439]

@@johnking5174 That may be true, but wouldn't the SAO be determined by the Geneva Convention?

[@daffyd5867]

Because he's a British Officer......simples!!!

[@althesmith]

@@christianpatriot7439 At this point France was considered to have surrendered and was no longer legally considered to be an enemy nation, so the British officer was technically the senior Allied officer.

[@christianpatriot7439]

@@althesmith If the Germans no longer considered France to be an enemy nation, why were the Germans holding these French as POWs?

[@crompirko1167]

gdje su titlovi za serije

[@misternewoutlook5437]

Well, that episode flopped. It's the first one that falls well short of others to this point.The investigation dismissed a clear detective rule - everyone is a suspect. Instead there is a wild goose chase until they run out of suspicions of the other services.

[@charliejdk]

I agree it was different but I have to admit I was surprised & entertained. This program can do no wrong for me. It’s my first time through.

[@tonyshortland8812]

Would a British officer have describe a length of plimsol lace as '10 centimeters' in 1940's?

[@flitsertheo]

No, still full imperial. Even for 1972 it's rather odd, switching to metric was proposed in 1965, which became mandatory in 1969 and was still being implemented by 1972 so it was still far away from common use.

[@kwerk2011]

They were trying to give the illusion that the Germans had found the lace. The Germans would have reported it as 10cm, so that is the story they went with.

[@iandenyer2372]

Because, as kwerk2011 indicated, the Germans would have used centimetres and no surely Brit of that generation worth his salt would stoop to pretending he understood so patently "foreign" a system... They'd be crossing their "7s" next.... ;)

[@jacksugden8190]

Good episode but weak at the end as the German’s failed to find out real reason for his death.

[@johnking5174]

It happened in these POW camps. The Wehrmacht never wanted to give the SS/Gestapo a chance to take over control of the castle. There was no love at all between the Wehrmacht and the SS/Gestapo. This was why they never found the real reason.

[@keithashley6298]

Apologies Hedley not Judd.

[@jeremyc2445]

He is dead and it is finished

[@claudefournier2144]

when in french, please?

[@andysipowicz]

just listen to it with a gay accent..just the same!

[@padgecrack4018]

Never 🐸 😂

[@LynxSouth]

Vous voulez savoir exactement quoi?

[@evo5dave]

There are sites that have subtitle downloads if that helps.

[@mkrbrtsn1]

One of the weaker episodes in a great series.

[@SOffenbach]

I disagree.

[@markofsatan9617]

All the prisoners are far to well fed and well dressed.

[@johnking5174]

Which was true. Colditz POW camp was one of the camps where they had decent food and drink, along with Red Cross Food Parcels.