Cole Redalen Form Analysis

[@daveslocum5625]

The more I see people argue about and say the back leg doesn’t matter the more convinced I am that a bunch of disc golf players have never played or succeeded atleast in other sports. All these sports are so similar in how power is acquired and everyone tries to make it out like there are some new or crazy concepts

[@blindjohn2969]

I love checking out these boys form in slow mo close ups. Can really analyze their muscle tone and see who they really are. Cole has it going on

[@HaikesXO]

Bruh 💀 😅

[@daveslocum5625]

From what I’ve heard him say is he’s super whippy with his arm and he’s tall and athletic so it makes sense he can bomb it when he wants but I did notice his legs aren’t as engaged and his left arm comes flying thru when he throws similar to how I do and have always tried to fix. Just love how people are so mind blown as to how a guy can throw so far with a different and not as optimal form. Happens in every sport where people can throw, hit, kick so far with form that isn’t the best so people try to mimic that instead of the form that is best for body and consistency

[@jakeprahar2168]

Always look forward to Slinger Shotter Discus Golfus Videoses. Thanks!

[@MichaelFloyd12]

Need more Pro Player Critiques! Can't wait to see more

[@andrewpaulausky8339]

Seeing him lace those lines live out there in Peoria, it was hard to say there were any issues. But... I'm pretty sure he talks about his chiropractor. (Oregon Sports and Family Chiropractic). I think they gave him an espresso machine for winning Ledgestone. I wonder if he has back issues like you said. He just posted he was working on his form yesterday too.

[@blackoutdrive1]

Thanks for the info dogg . I am going to the disc course this afternoon and will try some of this info

[@codyhall1636]

I agree 100%! I'm 5'7 and have this same issue. I have similar distance to Bodanza, but there is no way in hell I am hitting 500 on frozen ropes without getting my left leg involved in the throw. I am throwing putters 300ish Rocs 350ish, Fairways 380ish, and Drivers 420 on low golf lines. I've been playing since 2018 and with this form I have been able to reach roughly 980 rated, but I know there is no way to push into the 1000s at this age without using the back leg. I am going to attempt to do a complete reset this off season and document it to see what I can do with switching to the "correct" style.

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

Are you watching Bonanza's boot camp with Drew Gibson? They're working on exactly that.

[@codyhall1636]

​@ViJt-oq5nq yes and that is my point. I personally don't believe he will fix it with the current coaching methods, but I'm looking forward to seeing the full result before I make a conclusion.

[@seeballgetball937]

@@ViJt-oq5nqdrew even says he gets power from back leg and says he strides even with back leg not forward like most disc golfers say to do basically debunking all the shade OT put on back leg last month

[@codyhall1636]

@seeballgetball937 yeah they just can't handle the truth!

[@octogintillion]

​@@seeballgetball937You can't go by what pro players say they do. Watch Overthrow's analyses on Drew's coaching. Drew multiple times says he whips his hips open before he releases, but if you actually look at his throws he barely moves his hips before the disc leaves his hand. Pros have swing thoughts that get their body in the right places, but that does not mean that is actually the position they are getting in.

[@luuhax]

The distinction seems to become clearer and clearer. You can drive rotation of the hip by pushing from behind or bracing in the front. This is clearly the extreme of not pushing, and relying on the brace forcing the rotation while violently and athletically twisting his upper body. Maybe he could throw even harder if he got the back leg reqruitment down. But for sure redistributing some of the work to other joints ( away from the front knee and shoulder ), would increase his longevity

[@slingshotdiscgolf1897]

exactly

[@hcrubjeff]

I think you're right that less than optimal mechanics have a higher risk of injury. It won't be long before his elbow hurts.

[@luuhax]

why would his elbow hurt? Regardless where the power is from, the arm is going the same speed as other players throwing as far

[@chuckwalla123]

@@luuhaxthat kind of like saying in a dead lift if you lift with your back or your knees it should be the some outcome because you end up in the same spot - standing with the weights in hand. How you get there matters. Certain muscles are just more prone to injury especially from repeat motions and usage. Core and leg muscles can obviously get injured but they are generally less prone to injury that elbows. The more power you can generate from them rather than the elbow, the better off you’ll be long term.

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

I just wanna point out, Drew Gibson is currently training Bonanza to get him to throw 500+ ft. The #1 thing they're working on, is for Bodanza to stop dragging that back leg around and actually driving off it in his throw... Extremely similar to how Cole is dragging his own back leg. Bodanza is like 5'7 (max), throws 400+ and will be hitting his 500ft goal. Comparatively, Cole being a young 6'5" life time athlete driving 550+ on tour is not justification that his form is ideal lol. If anything it means there's so much more untapped potential there.

[@daveslocum5625]

I think so many people forget too that when you’re on tour and can already naturally throw so far you aren’t gonna really be focusing on form during a tour when you find what works for you especially in terms of throwing accurately. My form sucks but I can hit lines pretty damn well so even tho I’m always focusing on form in a tournament setting I try to just do what I naturally do and hit lines at the expense of form and distance

[@levig6238]

1. Why do you assume that Cole hasn’t worked extremely hard to develop his specific form? Or has even been coached to do so? 2. What makes you think slingshot is expert enough for you to believe him?

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

@@levig6238 Cuz it honestly should be so common sense you shouldn't need a disc golf coach to tell you if you just think about all the other sports you've played in the in the past. When I was taught to throw a basketball, power comes from loading up the back leg. Whenever I was taught swing a bat, you sit over your back leg and drive hip rotation. When I was taught to throw a ball, your pushing off the back leg. When throwing a jab, pushing off the back leg. Even when I'm playing beer pong, I can push off my back leg to hit those far away cups lol Oh, but in disc golf just drag those massive quads, hamstrings as glutes along the floor and don't use it to contribute to core rotation 😂 Yea, makes total conventional sense.

[@octogintillion]

​@@ViJt-oq5nqOther sports don't have a run up. Try going a full sprint and then stopping your momentum on one leg, *you can't*. So why are you trying to add more monentum with your back leg when you have plenty enough from the run up itself??

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

@@octogintillion Here's the difference.... People who are throwing with the back leg aren't going "full sprint". They lean towards a "walk" up to help with timing and getting into position... Drew Gibson being the most extreme example. Guys who are more front leg oriented are using that faster "run up" to compensate for not driving aggressively off their non dominant left leg.

[@strattonjoyce3659]

Very interesting because coles form looks nice in real time coverage but once you slow it down and compare to Mcbeth…. He has a lot of distance potential to say the least. Not hating on cole one of my favorite players to watch for sure

[@Pure-qn5kp]

Fantastic Video. Thanks for being a pioneer in moving people forward to be better players!!! You deserve a ton of credit

[@push0rdie]

Do you know what the difference between IR hips and ER hips?

[@EllaWind00]

Never noticed, just assumed all pros were amazing. Crazy how video never lies!

[@treegreens1570]

I just learned to play disc golf today. Lost all my discs and have no money for more

[@lankstasdglife3973]

People will have a much easier time copying Coles form than mastering Paul’s timing. Most people aren’t athletes and should stick to easy repeatable movement patterns, not some double moves with the arms and minimal elastic tension at the shoulders. I’ve been saying this for awhile, people should copy Calvin not Paul if they want to throw far. Most people will need 100,000 throws to come anywhere close to understanding Mcbeths timing. Cole definitely still pushes off of his cross step, he’s just pushing backward instead of sideways into his plant and letting the leg sweep off the ground. Basically pushing toe heel instead of heel toe. (He basically falls, toe heel, lands on his plant with all his weight, and at that point allows his trailing foot/leg to slide/scrape off the ground as he smashes his lead hip from closed to open and slings that long lever along with it.) Cole gets much more backward than Paul and that allows him to create a much deeper coil and essentially a longer lever than Paul. Neither is right or wrong, both of these guys have proven they can compete and win against the best in the world. Only an idiot would discount Cole Redalen, he is easily one of the best most consistent and exciting young players on tour. Absolutely everything he does is correct and if you learn to copy him closely you will probably excel in many areas of disc golf. The same is of course true of Paul Mcbeth, the current era GOAT. Nobody can tell you not to try to throw like Paul, he has the best proven track record of any current active player. I personally think his form is really hard to even describe, let alone for an amateur, especially a less athletic one to attempt to emulate. Coles form is NOT easy to emulate by any stretch of the road either, but his movement pattern with his off arm is much less important to his throwing power and I think that makes his form exponentially easier to copy. A ton of players throw exactly like Cole, probably more bombers throw like Cole than Paul. More MPO players throw like Cole than Paul.

[@octogintillion]

Goat reply

[@Andyofsuh]

Very well said. Thats why its awesome seeing and learning different forms and creating what is best for ourselves

[@forrestthegoldendoodle7923]

My favorite disc golfer is Shooter Mcgavin. Hes a good guy

[@daveslocum5625]

Interested to see your take on him for sure

[@HaikesXO]

We have to remember throwing for distance is not the same as throwing for accuracy. Please break down issac robinsons form, as I feel he’s the most accurate!

[@slingshotdiscgolf1897]

I will

[@lankstasdglife3973]

Also as far as the online dg battles are concerned, You teach Paul. Dg Spin Doctor teaches a much more Eagle/Cole like style. Overthrow try’s to teach everything at the same time. None of you should argue with each other, you are trying to teach different styles that can be successful in a sport that allows for a great deal of style diversity.

[@johnnyekholm2361]

Wich program do you use to compare those two?

[@YoungWizdum]

I haven't looked into it more yet but I'm curious if this is old Cole's form or his current form? I thought over the off season last year or 2 years ago he mentioned he revamped his form, trying to mimic more of a drew Gibson style? I could be way off on that but I'm pretty sure that's what I remember lol.

[@Thescribler]

I'm glad we are seeing loads of DIY disc golf content online. I would be wary of channels like this one that claim to understand form and technique but make shameless clickbait videos like this throwing shade on a player who has a proven record of winning.

[@cola57_dg]

just because one can win does not mean one can evolve into a better player.

[@codyhall1636]

Where is the clickbait title? Also, what do you mean by DIY content lol? Gatekeepers are the problem in disc golf with their archaic ways of teaching to throw. This is simply an opinioned form review lol. Someone has AM eyes if you cant see the "problems" with Coles throw. Even Cole himself is attempting to fix some of this during this off season. Goofy comment bro.

[@Thescribler]

@@codyhall1636 Excuse me, I did not mean to be confusing. To be clear, unsolicited form reviews of pros by woefully unqualified youtubers is, at best, clickbait.

[@jansingber376]

Cole is top 5 distance thrower in the world. I think you're not seeing something about his form. Look at how much farther his shoulders turn.... very similar to Eagle. I think this is the future of the Whip..... More rotation and it starts twisting so much farther that it looks like rounding. Rotational speed vs. the old school throwing your hips with force. He and Gannon are possibly the most form obsessed young disc golfers in the world.

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

If you look at Ganon and Eagle, they absolutely throw off the back leg, but yes, they have insane amounts of flexibility where their shoulders are perpendicular to their hips at the reach back.

[@jansingber376]

Cole really gets that belt buckle past 180 degrees from the target, it's insane and what I think is the new school. He has more similarity to Gannon because of how upright he likes to be, where Eagle uses a deep bend and more leg power to generate speed. The rotational force Cole uses is definitely more akin to Drew and AB. @@ViJt-oq5nq

[@octogintillion]

​@@ViJt-oq5nqGannon and Eagle don't throw off the back leg lol.

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

@@octogintillion They literally walk up with their weight shifted back. But whatever helps you sleep at night...

[@tonygutermuth9347]

I watched Cole throw 89 mph multiple times on a radar gun at LVC. He doesn't throw that hard on the course, but he can throw that hard. If anything, what this comparison does is disprove that the back leg is driving the swing as much as many think it is.

[@codyhall1636]

What kind of radar gun?

[@CherryB0mb333]

Even if cole hit 100 mph now who’s to say he wouldn’t hit 110 by engaging the back leg more?

[@levig6238]

@@CherryB0mb333 Cole would likely say so.

[@CherryB0mb333]

@@levig6238 Cole’s opinion, and anyone else’s, is invalid until they try both front leg and back leg.

[@tonygutermuth9347]

@@CherryB0mb333 I've talked to many pros about form and what creates power. The interesting thing is that the pros themselves are split on the subject. Some pros say that they don't focus at all on the back leg, others actively try to involve it. One thing that I left out of my comment is that Cole was throwing 89 mph using a 360 technique. I didn't get video of the throw so I have no idea if doing a 360 drastically changed how he uses is back leg compared to his "normal" throw. Your comment about someone's opinion being invalid unless they have tried both ways doesn't really play out in real life. If someone is elite level good at something, their opinion is valid. Period. Try telling the world's best putter that their opinion isn't valid if they haven't tried doing it another way. They are probably going to look at you like you are an idiot and just shake their head in disbelief. What should happen in a situation like this is that we should look at the result and question "how". If Cole has elite distance without driving the throw with the back leg, we should look hard at his throw and ask ourselves how he does it. Being stuck with the "there's only one way" mentality limits player development. "one way" doesn't take into account all the different body types, strength, flexibility, explosiveness, etc. We should be open minded and look for what works for most.

[@NickCarroll]

The thing to keep in mind is that we humans can do a lot ... badly. And we can get a lot of mileage despite doing things incorrectly. Cole is rotated back quite a bit, and leaning a lot in that video clip, and maybe he corrects that issue on other throws. But there might just be a law of diminishing returns on what he can get beyond what he's currently doing. And he might get less than what you think, though still an improvement over what he's doing now. Just something to think about. 🙂

[@paatrick90]

It looks like he punches up speed with the front leg before planting it that transforms into body rotation. the reason why the back leg stays so far is to keep it away from stealing momentum that the front leg kicked up into the rest of the body. That what's it looks to me.

[@FormerAmericanIdol]

'just imagine if all the greatest players threw like I do... then they would actually know what greatness truly is!!' 😆

[@markhumphrey8894]

McBeth is so athletic. Redalen's back foot looks like mine, ridiculously pointed backward. I can't get into McBeth's position for the life of me. Cole is 6'5"!!, So being 5'8", and 60yo, I haven't a prayer to reach 350ft!! I better just get my head on straight and forget about distance and just start nailing those 150ft to 200ft approach shots to bring my score down. Great video. You'd laugh your a_ _ off if you saw my form. I'd love to have you publicly critique my form. It's horrendous.

[@slingshotdiscgolf1897]

Send it to me [e-mail]. I may make a KZbin review video on it.

[@cooketarlton1986]

Cole is around 6'2 but the point still stands

[@TheMakki]

The thing that isn't emphasized enough is turning the hips enough to have your belt buckle aiming towards the target. THEN extending your arm. That is the true slingshot. Everything before that is giving your body time to generate speed, torque, and momentum to transfer into the disc. If you're disc is coming out before the belt buckle is aiming down your line -- you're all arm and way too early. Drew fixed Bodanaza in the matter of minutes on this.

[@codyhall1636]

He still hasn't fixed it though. Watch his last throw at the end of the first full day of actual training footage. His back leg is still an anchor/dead weight and his belt buckle is not facing targetward before the hit. He's still pulling with the arm.

[@baldeaglediscgolf]

So to sum up the vid... Coles form is terrible but he can get away with it because there's currently not that many 6 foot 5 players on tour doing it better... Funny how everybody focuses on throwing the disc a thousand feet but it doesn't mean much without accuracy and consistency. Cole has plenty of distance to compete on tour. It's the accuracy, putting, and consistency that wil get him tour wins or not.

[@johannorberg4174]

Kids can always get away with lots of inefficiencies old people cant. Also the fact that one wears sneakers and one wear perforamnce shoes says something about their comittment to what they are doing. Can Cole shoot really good rounds most certainly but with a good coach he can get even better. The goat is the goat for a reason

[@octogintillion]

Cole > Slingshot method

[@BaronWorsham]

People losing their minds watching all the pros throw far with a front foot brace and turning over their deweighted rear leg

[@lydiajoymcdowell-davis3390]

Cole is barely 6 ft tall probably 5,11

[@EllaWind00]

Uli is 5,10. When you watch the Jomez Practice Round at Idlewild, you can clearly see he is 6,5 LOL

[@cola57_dg]

im 6'5 and ive played a round with him, hes definitely eye level with me.

[@SONICBOOMERSOONER]

Scott Stokley is 6'7", and he is a lot taller than Cole in the how did we fix his putting video from last year

[@daveslocum5625]

I’ve heard people grow when they get older sometimes

[@Nohopefortheworld]

It doesn't matter what you think, results are results. He throws farther and better than Paul currently.

[@CherryB0mb333]

How many world titles does cole have again? 🤔

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

He's also like 6'5" and 20 years old compared to a 5'7" 33 year old McBeth. At some point he better have results lol.