Coleman Hughes: Success, Culture & Race

Coleman Cruz Hughes writes on the topic of race for Quillette and the New York Times. Despite still being an undergraduate, studying philosophy at Colombia University, his articles have sparked polarised reactions, leading to a meteoric rise in profile over the last couple of years.
On Tuesday 18th June, he gave evidence at the US congressional hearing about reparations for the legacy of slavery.
In this discussion with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller, he explains what he makes of this newfound fame, and how much responsibility does he feel to use his words carefully on this explosive topic in America.
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[@dougaduncan]

Coleman Hughes is, for me, a fantastic example of drawing conclusions based on the preponderance of the evidence while being mindful of how emotion can often cloud judgement. I find listening to him refreshing, like listening to a clear thinking human being. Rebel Wisdom does a wonderful job, again, in my opinion, of talking to such people. I love this channel.

[@willardaustria]

"The whole idea of race pride and race guilt is corrupt to begin with." I've been following Coleman Hughes for quite a while now. Thanks for having him!

[@slarsp2]

Willard Austria Coleman "Cruz" is a true fraud. He clearly doesn't know what the f&$k he is talking about. He is a joke. Why do you think you can interview a 22 year old man from another country, who hides his name, and think he knows what he is talking about. Somebody punch this dude in the mouth for his arrogance.

[@willardaustria]

@@slarsp2 From another country?? Is this another birther conspiracy? He's a US citizen. He knows exactly what he's talking about, but of course you're free to disagree with him. Punching someone though won't help neither you nor your case. Man up!

[@slarsp2]

Willard Austria did you hear where he said he recently decided to consider himself Black instead of Caribbean because Mr. Cruz felt like he could get more out of being Black. No I didn't tink you heard him say that.

[@QuesoGr7]

@@slarsp2 I'm a born and raised Florida black man and agree with many of the things he says. Maybe you're just too narrow minded.

[@manaloola2018]

Coleman Hughes is a gem. He has a great future and will become someone very important as he gets older. That’s my prediction

[@kennorthunder2428]

Love the thoughtfulness, intelligence and temperament of Coleman

[@somethingness]

I can barely believe that we have an up-and-coming young intellectual with such intellectual honesty as Coleman Hughes. Perhaps all is not yet lost.

[@caseyworthington7092]

Superb interview - both interviewer and interviewee! The internet at its best.

[@EllEss331]

"Ascribing meaning to the color of your skin, is kind of a logical error & it's a shame that we've lost sight of the fact that we're all human beings and that the project should generally be to use policy and conversation to make as many people flourish as can possibly flourish, regardless of the way they look and the census category they fit in."

[@billybarnum7356]

Wow. Pretty obvious this Coleman Hughes is going places. A man worth following. Good luck to you, sir!

[@maryhudson4280]

Should get a prize for the best interview of 2019 so far. Bravo to Rebel Wisdom and the brilliant Coleman Hughes.

[@tracyholton4029]

@Hal Paz He is a liar. He is not ADOS (American Descendant of Slavery) yet speaks to a linage his is not heir to.

[@glitchplease5638]

Mary Hudson He is a fraud & has no business speaking for ADOS. Disgusting.

[@maryhudson4280]

@@tracyholton4029 It is safe to bet that all humans are descendants of slaves at some point in history or another.

[@tracyholton4029]

@@maryhudson4280 that's a really good w.s. talking point.

[@tracyholton4029]

@@maryhudson4280 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZTYZ51tgaalrtk

[@krijnvisee5561]

People really need to listen to Glenn Loury and John McWorther at bloggingheads tv.

[@giraffediety2477]

They are pretty great, but they most def suffer from Smart People Syndrome. They sure like to hear themselves talk. Good thing they talk about smart stuff.

[@giraffediety2477]

@TheBoxinguru ....imma guess you think McWhoter is an idiot cuz you think his opinion is different than you think feel and believe? Projection-much?

[@krijnvisee5561]

@TheBoxinguru What a remarkable effort. Such a long answer completely devoid of substance and argument. You must have been very good at school with you're skill of using this many words without saying anything to the point. You should consider becoming politician.

[@rwilson9759]

@TheBoxinguru Never heard of those two but I'll check them out . Don't know about all Americans but if you don't listen to people you disagree with it's harder to learn anything new. I listen to a lot of dif political opinions, from conservative to progressive, and find many intelligent arguments from all . Do you find that in your country and what country do you live in ?

[@fiddlersontheramp5417]

@@giraffediety2477 I like to them talk as well m8! :b !

[@thomasmull3967]

I am always impressed when this young man speaks! WOW!!! =)

[@kenniseelder5460]

Thomas Mull Yes white people love him, he says just what they want to hear😂

[@marianam8643]

I wish I was this eloquent and clear-headed when I was younger. This young man is amazing.

[@danilopompey754]

This guy speaks like a 10-year-old, saying constantly that people are supposed to think this way or that, when that only applies to children. Nobody is exhorting an adult to think a certain way; to the contrary, one is expected to defend rhetorically what positions one takes, and if such positions have substance, they stand, if not, they quickly are knocked down, which means you have to be pretty stupid not to understand that systematic discrimination is rife in American society. QED

[@marianam8643]

@@danilopompey754 the point is, I think, that the term is undefined. The system, I mean. That a wide gap exists is clear. That the gap is cause for concern is clear. But that it has not closed more substantially despite multiple attempts at redress is troubling to say the least. Anyway, this young man is a virtuoso at ideas. At clarity of thought and rational discourse. At his age, that is incredible. The best I have seen in a long time. He will, by default make others better as well. He is pushing the quasi intellectuals in the black community to define what they are talking about. To grapple with the problem. This is all to the good.

[@danilopompey754]

@@marianam8643, this may come as a big surprise, but words do matter. And since you admittedly think this inarticulate brother is amazing, you lost all credibility right from the start, but I digress. But let me address your point since you now profess to have one. Take the problem of drugs in America, it's been a problem of long duration, but just because it's not resolved does not mean that attempts have not been ongoing to solve and/or mitigate it, the latest being, like prohibition, to just give in and make a large segment of it legal. So, you sound stupid when you say, "system" is undefined. The "system" in America is the American way of life, its length and breath, its ethos, the way we do things here. And if you had been paying attention over the last 50 years, you would know that the the greatest benefactors in the system as a result of the Black Civil Rights movement, surprise, surprise, Gomer, have been - hands down - White women. So the system has demonstrably changed, but not for the benefit of Black folks. Finally, this brother needs to grow out of being a stooge and/or apologist for "White Guilt" since White folks with conscience are going to feel regret and profound guilt for the deeds of their parents and grandparents, just like I feel profound guilt for the genocide of the "native inhabitants" of this continent since Black regiments of Buffalo Soldiers assisted by shooting down Indians like coke bottles. Cut the bamboozle, please. QED

[@marianam8643]

danilo pompey I am sorry Danilo. I see you have written quite a bit, but I cannot get over the confrontational way you began. I see no purpose to confrontations with strangers over the internet. I will just get angry and I see no point to that. Have a good day.

[@danilopompey754]

@@marianam8643, I have no doubt if you could refute anything I said you would have commented on my comment, but instead, as is usually the case with most of you Trumpkins - though that is just a hunch - you ran like a chicken with your butt plucked. Word: next time, look before you leap and you won't clown yourself so ignominiously. (lol) QED

[@mattcarman855]

This kid is amazing, nuanced and super bright... The humility and insight he offers is so refreshing... Please keep growing and speaking my friend. I wish I had that amount of insight at his age. He'll will be a voice for humanity for many many years to come.

[@mattcarman855]

He's actually a descendant of slaves but yes he is half black, not that any of that should really matter though, unless you're an identitarian which I'm guess is the case. We can all have opinions on anything no matter the color of our skin. You're clearly not listening to him fully. His intentions are only to help people in my opinion. It's a lie that conservative thought lacks compassion, meaning less government help. I believed this progressive non sense for many years myself but then I realized people simply don't think throwing money at these problems will solve anything, they have some solid facts to back that up as well. They feel it wouldn't help people of color in the long run and it could in fact could hurt them, a valid argument even if it's incorrect....We can argue if that is the case and respect each others differences of opinion but I doubt that will happen. Be more charitable to your enemies as Coleman says...

[@slarsp2]

Matt Carman Cruz just decided to become Black a few years ago. Those are his words not mine.

[@slarsp2]

spot light great work. Cruz should shut his mouth.

[@frequentlycynical642]

He speaks with the wisdom of someone three times his age. I expect, and hope, that he goes far.

[@tbk2010]

I like the way Coleman Hughes thinks.

[@joealias2594]

I like his personality a lot. He's so calm and unruffled while talking about the kinds of things that other people can't talk about without screaming. I can tell he has a real deadpan sense of humor underneath that though.

[@sadface8682]

What a fantastic conversation. Thank you Coleman for your perspective. I have much to think about. Thank you David for hosting the conversation and conducting it with such grace.

[@nonenone4078]

He's an idiot

[@tonganqueenb5517]

“We’re kind of narsisstic about our own history” Wow mind blown. I always used to think; why does Hollywood keep making these movies about slavery?

[@MrMilla103]

I want to hear him talk about other topics than race. I’m sure the guy has very compelling perspectives on a vast array of ideas.

[@timbradford9397]

The intellectual honesty of Sam Harris, and the nuance and understanding of Thomas Sowell. Love this guy.

[@skoto8219]

Damn he went full Thomas Sowell on that slavery question. Love this guy

[@thenrepeat9124]

Yes. Recently I felt myself beckoned to these issues with the attention reparations have been given. Some things really baffle me as I peruse related vids and the adjoining comments. I only have so much time but am compelled to bring facts in comments that are suspiciously absent in arguments put forth by Coates and his Ilk. Facts like those found in Sowell's chapter on The Real History of Slavery for example are nowhere in the general american conversation. Begs questions like WHY. Why is it so uncommon to find intelligent specifics that can lead to solutions and enlightenment? Where are knoweledgable thinkers and can they not be bothered to enter these talks? The Left's accusations of rampant White supremacy are predictably vague and discrediting of White's positive contributions to the world stage and blacks very freedom from their own race's shortcomings and brutality on other blacks reaching back thousands of years. These issues are in desperate need for informed citizens to bring illumination and balance before USA is completely derailed by those ungrateful enough to relentlessly blame Whites due to a lazy refusal to look within at detrimental effects the black community perpetuates and go deep for facts. I see that people like you are able to contribute and I encourage you to break out of the typical short anecdotes and spread your knowledge! :)

[@luvitluvitbaby]

@@thenrepeat9124 If we’re not going to talk about one (white supremacy) and the effects it’s had on society, why would we talk about the other (black on black violence)? That seems a bit unfair don’t you think? Why don’t we just delude ourselves into thinking none of these problems exist and just hope they go away on their own? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@juliawinsa4260]

Great interview in all ways. David is a great interviewer, well prepared and adaptable in action in the best of ways. Coleman eloquent and well-thought as ever. Beautiful. The kind of conversations we need to dare having-publicly and privately.

[@TheFilthLA]

Coleman's critique of Candice Owens is salient, but I think she's better viewed as a Force of Nature rather than an intellectual. Coleman is a scholar, Candice is a warrior. If there's a culture war going on in this moment (which we have no choice but to be involved in), they operate on different levels. Trump, for example, is a warrior but not a scholar. There are moments in time where warriors are needed, but they still need to be called on their bullshit to the extent that they operate in the realm of ideas. (There can be overlap of the two of course).

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

Excellent observation.

[@garryjones8050]

Agreed, and the missing category, which is most important, is the diplomat who negotiates.

[@tymanning2832]

The Filth LA Candace seems to be a bit of a bandwagon conservative. I largely agree with the sentiment that black Americans would be better off with taking more personal responsibility and perhaps pursue more stable cultural habits, however the way Candace approaches it is still playing into the identity game. She’s not the greatest figurehead for Black conservatives.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

@@tymanning2832 - While agreeing with the criticisms of Candace (particularly the identity politics-like points she sometimes makes), I believe we need to remember Voltaire's resolution not to make "perfect" the enemy of the "good."

[@llewodcm20]

Candace is a bad representative of conservatives on the whole

[@normanvanrooy3113]

I really like this young man Coleman. What a stand up intellectual and very honest and humble really.

[@tracyholton4029]

He is a liar. He is not ADOS (American Descendant of Slavery) yet speaks to a linage his is not heir to.

[@transfiguration8865]

I've been following him since I saw him on Tim Pool's podcast(which I don't think he does anymore). Smart guy, and seems extremely levelheaded.

[@tracyholton4029]

​@Hal Paz He is a liar. He is not ADOS (American Descendant of Slavery) yet speaks to a linage his is not heir to.

[@giraffediety2477]

@@tracyholton4029 any proof? Or just a slander? Also, who cares what his ancestry is? Good points are good points, no matter who the speaker is

[@tracyholton4029]

@@giraffediety2477 He is a fraud for selling his "blackness" to the highest bidder and the people buying his blackness to try to validate their w.s. cause are frauds also.

[@giraffediety2477]

@@tracyholton4029 even if what you are saying is true (and Coleman strikes me as a serious and honest person), so what? Do good points become less good because a fraud said them?

[@tracyholton4029]

@Nick Smith not my job, accept my information or not but think for yourself.

[@dansullivan0]

He lost me for just an instant when he said the Irish were not historically oppressed, but his general conclusions were valid none the less, and his approach to reasoning and problem solving is spot on.

[@carwashsoap]

Irish were certainly oppressed here in the US and in The UK

[@hasj569]

As were the Puerto Rican’s ... not enslaved per se but colonized for sure. I’d love to hear how he and others account for the not so obvious generational impact of these things

[@astraea9644]

This is the kind of person who truly does away with stereotypes, not those clamouring to dispel them while simultaneously reinforcing them.

[@skeletonjazz2100]

How they cannot see continues to amaze me

[@michaelweber5702]

Coleman is such a breath of fresh air and thoughtful and measured in his thinking... Thanks Coleman , and also to Rebel Wisdom in interviewing him .

[@phildolan8783]

"If the criticisms are that good, they become my new opinions." Spoken like a true philosopher... This guy is brilliant.

[@newsungsails3651]

Write a book, Mr. Coleman Hughes. You have wisdom and insights beyond your years.

[@newsungsails3651]

I’d love to see Coleman discuss with Thomas Sowell or Larry Elder, to get into the nuances of the welfare state

[@John_Smith777]

so happy to see coleman call out the grifter that is candace owens,

[@JoJoJoker]

End the Drug War and most of the problems hurting the poor and minorities will go away.

[@bradhexumOSM]

Thoughtful & lots to chew on. Thanks Coleman & RW.

[@charlesmchugh8811]

Bravo, Coleman. You’re one of the brightest lights. Great conversation.

[@joethemig1522]

Hughes is a brilliant thinker, often positing contrary viewpoints immediately after his own, steel-manning multiple ideas at once.

[@TR21776]

Might well be looking at Thomas Sowell’s heir.

[@hazardousjazzgasm129]

@spot light Are you familiar with the investigative work of Michael Ruppert and Gary Webb? Those two condemned the US government with some of the most atrocious findings of anti-black racism in America that you can find.

[@hazardousjazzgasm129]

@spot light Sure thing www.fromthewilderness.net/free/pandora/blacks-targeted.html This is a great summary of Ruppert's work, he used to be a narcotics police in LA and left his position after a few years when he started to notice many failures of the police department to handle the problems of black neighborhoods. He eventually discovered a crazy sting of operations involving the CIA selling cocaine to black neighborhoods. You can see him speaking up about these facts in this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4WYfoxpeJ1pmM0 Gary Webb was another investigative journalist who arrived at near identical conclusions to Ruppert despite an initially different formulation of facts. He won the Journalist of the Year award in 1996 for his series "Dark Alliance" (which you can find and read online for free) and there was a movie based off of his work called Kill The Messenger.

[@FiremarshalM1]

spot light so these cases of "systemic racism" were settled in favor of the plaintiffs? Soo...it exists. Wrongs occurred and JUSTICE was meted out? So...point made for Coleman.

[@syncrochef5115]

spot light does the CIA represent ALL of white America to you? All whites from all their diverse ethnic backgrounds? Or do you just see caucasians in America as one monolithic group?

[@Mental_Alchemist]

@spot light you're creating an unfalsifiable proposition by assuming that this (nyah!, nyah!, can't catch me!) form of white racism exists in the first place. It like asserting that a unicorn exist and just because we haven't seen it....it simply means we haven't looked hard enough. You're basically doing what religions do and assert some unprovable claim and then put the burden of proof on the other person to disprove it.... The proofs you gave in the court cases you gave were very poor examples of this new "covert" racism you speak of and in fact....the language in the first case specifically stated a case of "systemic" discrimination.....despite your assertion that it doesn't exist. I'm not saying that this covert racist system doesn't exist. By it's very nature it could be ALWAYS be POSSIBLE to prove (even if it hasn't been proven yet), and impossible to disprove. We may as well be playing football on an infinitely long field. Unfalsifiable propositions, sematic traps, straw men arguments, and slightly related facts (that arguably don't have much to do with your assertions) might work to help you build the case that the boogeyman is under the bed. But im not sure I'm buying it......its like you're throwing out darts,drawing the targets around them, and then asking me accept your accuracy.

[@seraeggobutterworth5247]

Terrific interview, thank you. I really appreciated Coleman’s candid, evenhanded comments on Candace Owens. As much as I appreciate what TPUSA is trying to do - bring an alternate political perspective to college campuses - I often find Candace’s debate tactics and style to be lacking, but it’s rare that I hear people criticizing her for the correct reasons, whereas Coleman’s critique was spot on.

[@ishansaraf1576]

28:32 Coleman: "The way we should conceptualize progress should allow for different groups that have some disparities to both make progress without the disparity necessarily having to collapse." A terrific point and a societal phenomena often misunderstood. To conjoin this with Dr. Peterson's words: hierarchies are inevitable in that some things are simply more valuable than others. If you try to flatten all the value structures in society, it'll degrade quickly since there wouldn't be anything worth pursuing.

[@toniarenee2709]

Coleman I can assure you that 'heterodox' is not overused.

[@carwashsoap]

Right. They only person I've heard use heterodox more than once is Jonathan Haidt

[@1yabeyabe]

😁😁😁😁😁

[@justbreathe8835]

Haha

[@TheRedverb]

If you spend hours a day everyday reading heady intellectual books and listening to lectures, heterodox is in fact a word overused as of late.

[@lesliemcclinton7844]

Some words are used by scholars in writing versus speaking. He doesn't clarify the medium i.e., spoken or written. Big difference IMO. So heterodox is not common parlance so implication is written. Existential threat is also overused and used incorrectly. So is "nonplussed" folks use it incorrectly every time.

[@istvantoth7431]

"If it was a good criticism, that would be my new opinion" - smart guy!

[@georgeash4008]

Coleman Hughes is an extremely smart guy and interesting thinker.

[@Omnifarious0]

I really enjoyed hearing what this man had to say.

[@John-mk3oe]

Amazed by Hughes....he makes perfect sense and his logical analyses is AMAZING!!!

[@berniejii3739]

Blown away. Great demonstration of the art of civilized conversation. It's ironic that this is the kind of thing that could save the MSM.

[@tymanning2832]

Bernie Jii probably not. The only place these types of conversations are had is on alternative media. The msm will most likely stay in their condescending elitist bubble.

[@briefoutlines4505]

Dear Rebel Wisdom I think you guys want to get Mark Vernon into your studio for an interview. He has a pretty interesting slant on language, spirituality, modern culture, Christianity, and "the evolution of consciousness"

[@TheFilthLA]

Coleman is the man.

[@menschkeit1]

refreshing and rigorous. Hopefully he'll reach a broader audience, this kind of logical thinking is desperately needed these days.

[@interwoven222]

5:55 - This is intellectual deconstruction. I was suspecting this point in the back of my head but couldn't quite verbalize it.

[@Daneiladams555]

Fascinating conversation

[@keithnisbet]

Wonderful explanation of the state of affairs. Very bright guy. Hopefully he will attain to a great level of influence

[@jamesboekbinder3967]

Still one of the best expositions ! Great!

[@tango400016]

Again Coleman hughes impresses with his patience and thoughtfulness.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@22:50 ".... If the criticisms are that good, then they become my opinions... so they don't stay criticisms for long..." This is an excellent interview. Mr. Hughes is wonderfully well spoken and makes just makes to much sense for most critics to handle, as they are unable or unwilling to address his premise. To dismiss what this man has to say is to do oneself a great disservice by perpetuating racial bias as the sole answer to all that ails black / white relations in this country. But then, all of us who listen to this interview already know that :)

[@robertstark396]

Brilliant Man!! Thank you!

[@AstroSquid]

this is tribe vs individuals, and facts are the things that individuals embrace.

[@martingreeman9531]

I really like this guy. I find him pretty goddamn amazing actually.

[@geoffkershaw4968]

He made an interesting point about how Twitter and social media become selective for people with strong views on both sides of the fence,

[@FiremarshalM1]

Geoff Kershaw I refer to John Cleese's Value of Extremism whenever I feel myself getting too entrenched in conservative ideology. It's on here or on Twitter @bearly_m (if interested) the most valuable 2 1/2 minutes 💫🔥🌱♻️🕯

[@deejay2267]

I will also say that it is very important that we don't instantly call Coleman and people like him racist simply because he is giving his point of view. The problem that I see with just uttering the word racist or other trigger words like calling someone a bully or a jerk or anything like that is soon as they say something that you don't agree with is the fact that that is a calculated way of demonizing the other person and instantly bringing the audience to your side even though you yourself may not have anything substantive to say. Because when this tactic is used what ends up happening is the focus goes away from what the person was originally saying and it goes to the fact that they were called a racist or a jerk or whatever name they were called. a lot of people like to use this tactic because what it does is if someone's accusing you of something or just pointing something out if you turn around and do this the person then has to defend themselves over something that they weren't even doing and then ultimately by the time that's been hashed out the original issue has either been lost or if the person tries to bring up the original issue then the other person will say look you're just trying to dwell on it when in fact they weren't it's just they deviated from the original subject.now there are times when people say stuff like this and it turns out that they are saying stuff that is racially insensitive or bigoted or whatever however if you cut someone off before they can even say what they had to say or you don't even read fully what they're saying and you just simply go in and you read the first line and you say that's it and you instantly label them something then you are labeling them based on one line out of possible paragraphs of information. I would say both sides are guilty of this even though the left has been pointed out to do this which is fair because they do it a lot it is also fair to say that the right does this a lot as well the only difference is it's just on a different subject and I really think that if we are going to get better as a country we need to regain the ability to communicate with one another let the person complete their thought and if it's a situation where you're reading a blog then read the whole blog. And like I've told people in the past as well when you're reading something no matter what the subject matter is if it's something that you're going to respond to don't add meaning to what's there take it verbatim and then base your response on what they wrote don't base it on what you think they meant base it on what they literally wrote and if you have questions about their meaning then rather than assigning meaning to it which nine times out of 10 when people assign meaning to what someone is saying they're wrong just ask him can you clarify what you meant I will tell you right now if you do that a good 80 to 90% of confrontations and disagreements that are had will be eradicated just from taking that small step. So my thing is and I'm sure they'll be a few people on the left and some on the right as well who are reading this and or are watching this video before you go to give it a thumbs down actually hear what he's saying and before you're ready to say that Coleman needs to be canceled he doesn't need to be canceled if you disagree with what he's saying write a rebuttal take his video and make a video of your own with counterpoints this is how we grow and this is the reason why I have a huge problem and the left is guilty of this of when there's a speaker at a campus or whatever where they will try to silence the speaker and not allow them to speak. Yes, it may make you feel good at the moment because you exercise your power to cancel someone but in the grand scheme of things you have not solved the problem because you haven't changed their mind and you haven't convinced anyone that what they're saying is wrong the only thing that you ultimately ended up doing is actually attracted more people to that person because people are going to see your bad behavior and the other side is going to sit there and strategically be quiet even though they might want to respond harshly they will sit there and just make it so then that way they look as if they're the ones who are being victimized and guess what your plan to get rid of them or get people away from their side has now backfired and they've got more people. a real-life example of this is like when your little brother or sister it's giving you hell and your parents aren't around and they're just poking at you and poking at you and then finally after saying nothing for an hour you finally lash out at them but just at the moment that you finally lash out as the moment that your mom comes walking around the corner and your sibling is slick enough to know that if they keep quiet you're the one that's going to get in trouble because your mom's only going to see you yelling and them sitting there quietly. So what ends up happening you end up getting in trouble even though in reality you may have been the victim all along but because you acted out and you were caught at that moment and your sibling was smart enough to keep their mouth shut at the right time even though it was your sibling who is actually in the wrong you come off looking in the wrong because you're caught at the moment doing it so I would say you need to play it right if you have a problem with something that someone says rather than yelling and screaming and acting a fool or trying to cancel someone do the mature thing and debate them or if you go into a talk where they're giving a speech about something instead of trying to interrupt the whole thing when they have the q&a session which all these speakers do have a question lined up for them that will expose them for what they really are and if you come in calm and you actually give a sound argument the crowd will see that hey you know what maybe this person isn't who we thought they were and we should think about this a little bit differently but if you act like antifa and some of these other idiots out there that just go around running roughshod any good idea that you may have had is going to be overlooked and the only thing that's going to be focused on is your bad behavior it's something that the left needs to learn and until they do even when the right is doing the wrong thing they're going to be looked at in a more favorable light because the left is just acting so badly. I'm sorry I got off on a little tangent there but as a regular black guy who doesn't take one political side or the other I just feel that it needed to be said

[@TreborReywas]

The only real difference between SJWs on the far left and SJWs on the far right...is their concept of what constitutes “social justice.” But extremism is extremism.

[@worldwidehappiness]

Dave asked, "How do we elevate the conversation." This seems to be the key recurring question for the IDW and Rebel Wisdom. To answer it, we need to begin by asking, "Why do we want to elevate the conversation?" Immediately, we would see that we are assuming that elevated conversation will lead to stopping dysfunction or improving the world. And underneath that assumption is the motivation for better security or happiness. However, wanting elevated conversation is part of the problem if it is done prior to deep understanding of oneself and the world. This is because you are rushing into action before knowing the territory. After all, you might be improving the Matrix when you should be trying to expose it. So the way to elevate the conversation is to understand your own assumptions and motivations, then understand the context, i.e. understand society’s assumptions and motivations. Once the underlying facts have been gathered in this way, then we can see how to proceed.

[@MixedMentalArts]

Why did you guys delete the Candace Owens clip?

[@mcratsix]

Love Colman. He's like a younger Sam Harris with a different set of interests

[@austinm419]

This is how I described him to my girlfriend the other day lol

[@tymanning2832]

Sam Harris isn’t black though. Regardless, I find Coleman to be a bit new and refreshing compared to Sam (whom I like btw). Quillete has a lot of great talent on their website.

[@skeletonjazz2100]

Coleman Hughes > Sam Harris.

[@spinnakerthegreat2612]

I hope not. Sam Harris is actually quite shallow and an irrationally anti trump person... I liked him a lot (his Ezra Klein podcast in was one of the greatest moments online ever) and listened to him a lot but moved on a while ago.

[@ancientfuture9690]

@@tymanning2832 Sam Harris ISN'T black?! I did not know this! Right, we need to get this startling info out, NOW!

[@edwardliversidge3911]

this guy needs to be famous right now

[@martincasey5110]

Well thought out...unusual and refreshing. Well done that man

[@takehe68]

On the question of why individuals from some ethnic backgrounds tend to thrive in our modern, capitalist, individualistic property-owning society more than those from other backgrounds it is not sufficient to ask what role skin colour and the legacy of slavery plays. This system is based on a culture that grew in Protestant Northern Europe and imposed itself around the world. White people coming to America from Ireland as violently displaced people with collectivist and spiritual values unsuited to capitalism will be in shock. Some will abandon their ancestral values and adopt new ones and they might rise to become powerful industrialists gaining great power and material success at the expense of others and the natural world. The fact that they can seize this 'opportunity' does not mean it is good and that the society is fair or benevolent. I share Coleman's (and MLK's) vision of a humanistic world free of colour and other prejudice and agree that many who think they are anti-racist are taking us further away from that vision. Great interview.

[@MonaMarMag]

What I have understand is that in the world we live in - they ( whoever they are ) use differend kind od ideologies and people for their purposes . What we all should always remember is that first of all we are - Human being - which are spiritual beings . Responsibility , self control and common sense are needed . Ja nie dam się nikomu zaszufladkować .

[@dukedematteo1995]

Hes clearly a Sam Harris acolyte.....which is a good thing.

[@aj16cook]

Duke DeMatteo yes that speech pattern is familiar

[@tonycatman]

He uses some of the same words, like 'flourish' and 'well-being' to describe the human condition. The delivery is very similar too. He'll never succeed in life though. He keeps referring to facts to support his position, and also has this unusual habit of listening to the other person when they are talking.

[@BriansPhotoShow]

The other day I clicked on one of your videos in the "suggested" or "recommended" group on my homepage only to discover that I was not subscribed to your channel. I most certainly had subscribed some weeks ago. I'm not sure if there's anything you can do about it, but you should at least know what's going on.

[@lokiwun]

Thank you both. Marvelous interview.

[@davidbudo5551]

PhilosophyInsights guided me here. Glad he did.

[@AstroSquid]

I would judge Coleman Hughes like I would judge Noam Chompsky , they are individuals in a very deep way, they are individuals because they believe in truth over power, they are individuals because they don't pick a tribe to be famous, they are individuals because they are self aware of their human experience, which is not a trait a lot of people have.

[@speedyp1020]

coleman is the chronic, anticipate some thought provoking takes and more notoriety in his future

[@deejay2267]

I must say that this is a very interesting interview. I've listened to a number of his interviews now and his talks and I will say that he is an intelligent young man. I will also say that unlike some conservative style speakers who are black on KZbin and other social media spaces his words do not come off in an inflammatory way. However, that being said I will say that I don't necessarily agree with everything that he's saying and I do have a few problems with what he says. First of all, it can be universally agreed that black people are not a monolith. However, I do find that a lot of people who make that statement also are the same people who will turn around and label us all anyway. It's just rather than labeling us in a leftist sort of way they label us based on thoughts of the right. they label us in a way that we must all be sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves and that the only way that you can be a black person who does not feel as if you're a victim is if you are conservative or on the right and if you have any left leanings at all then you must feel sorry for yourself or must think that racism is everywhere etc. I'm here to tell you that though I may not have the internet presents that he does or a Candice Owens does or someone of that nature I can speak on the issues that they are talking about. The first thing that I can say right off the bat with all of them is the fact that speaking from personal experience they come off like black people who do to the fact that they may have dressed differently behave differently listen to different music or had different political opinions than the black people within their circle they felt ostracized and cast aside and now that they're in a position where they are away from those people they're using their energy to basically say screw them they're all bad. Oftentimes it is wondered why people will call them to name such as the short form for a raccoon or Thomas's uncle. Now myself I'm not one for name-calling so I don't think that that serves any purpose at all and I don't think it's right, however, the meaning behind those terms if I'm being honest about it I can understand why it's being said. What they will tend to do is they will frame it as if they are only being targeted because they have a different view than other black people. Though that may be true in some cases the majority of the issue that black people myself included have a problem with these people is not the fact that they have a different view I can get past that and I am fully aware that people are entitled to have different viewpoints, in fact, the world is boring if everybody thinks the same. The problem that I have is that though they claim that they're doing this for the betterment of their people if you notice the only time people like him or Candace Owens or Larry elder speak these things about the black community is when they're saying something not in a way to build the community up but in a way to throw dirt in the face of the community almost as if they're getting back at them for not accepting them back in the day. Also, it should be noted that whenever these people are talking look at the crowd of people that they're talking to and look at the podcasts that they go on to. If you know this they only go on to podcast where they're not speaking to other black people they're speaking to white people and the funny thing is they're going to places where more than likely the people already have a negative opinion of black people anyway so chances are if you go into an echo chamber you're going to get universal agreement. Now I'm not saying that he doesn't have a right to say these things and I'm not even saying that he's completely wrong on all the points that he's making because in fact many of the points that he's making actually do have validity the problem is just as there is nuance in everything else there is also nuance in these arguments and it seems as if he is just looking at them from a black and white perspective no pun intended. The example that I would give is the fact that he brought up how people from Africa who have moved to the United States are doing better than blacks who've lived in the United States for generations the specific example he gave was Nigerians. To him, this was a conversation ender in terms of him supposedly proving that the fact that the Nigerians were able to compete at a high level only goes to prove that we're just making excuses. I would point out the fact however that though there are black people admittedly who do make excuses for why they're not ahead I would say that on a cultural level if we are to look at why the Nigerian is able to succeed where the native black person here may not at least on average let's just say I would say the big reason for that is not only because of the fact that they have a culture where education is important which I do think is a key component it cannot be overlooked the fact that those people coming over from Africa Nigeria in particular lived in a place where they didn't have people holding them down at any point homeownership property ownership etc were things that were normal for them and were not withheld like they were here and yes here's the thing a Nigerian coming over here going to an area where let's just say there are still bigots they would experience racism too the only difference is because they weren't raised in an area where either they were personally being beat down by bigotry or it was just something where it was a historical thing it's a lot easier for a person who has always been used to standing tall not being beat down whether it be literally or figuratively to be able to tell someone who's trying to put them down where to go then it is for a person who has lived their life under the thumb of someone who constantly put them down now it doesn't mean that the person who was constantly put down couldn't rise up but it's understandable why the person coming in who already had more self-esteem would have an easier time combating someone who was trying to bring them down. That said I am not suggesting for a moment that we should just sit on our laurels and whine about things happening to us I do believe that we should be proactive however I do think it's a bit disingenuous for someone like him or Candace or others to assume that all black people simply make excuses because it's just not the case after all if they were able to make those choices what makes you think that others weren't able to too. just because someone happens to not be a conservative doesn't mean that they think that all the stuff that's going on is cool and this is the problem that I have with him and with Candice Owens and others who seem to believe that the only blacks who are free thinkers are trying to get ahead are those who are conservative and as far as I'm concerned I have no problem with conservatives myself as if I'm being honest about it I have conservative leanings in my own personal lifestyle as well but the difference is I'm not hamstrung by a political ideology if I see there's a good idea out there then it doesn't matter which side it's on I'm going to call it a good idea. Although I don't necessarily agree with everything that he's saying I do respect the fact that he is articulate and what he says and he does have a voice and I don't think that that voice should be silenced because after all if you really want to have to change them both sides need to be willing to listen to what the other person has to say and there you can have a friendly debate. No need for ad hominem attacks just simply debating the issues and truly looking at it from both sides I think both sides have points and both sides also overdramatize issues as well there's hyperbole on both sides what we need to do is realize that there's a reason why both sides feel the way they do and to sit back and rather than just thinking about what your answer is and that's it take a moment to actually think of why they're feeling the way that they do it doesn't mean that your mind is going to be changed necessarily but what it will do is open dialogue and sometimes ideas can be amended or even changed when you sit down and actually talk. And that's the reason why even though I don't necessarily agree with everything that Coleman says I can respect the fact that he has the opinion and to be 100% honest with you I would be more open to having a conversation or a debate with him then I would with Candice Owens because even though they both talk about similar issues she approaches it from a very antagonistic sort of way which can be very off-putting where is at least with him even though I don't necessarily agree with everything that Coleman says at least he presents it in a way that he appears to at least be open to the idea of having a discussion rather than just simply jumping in with the ad hominem because there's a disagreement

[@themanfromerf]

Coleman is obviously a deep and clear thinker, and a great speaker as well. I see that he's picked up a few enviable habits of speech from Harris etc., and I very much aprove. I'm excited to hear more from him / read his future books :P

[@MB561]

Smart guy. He has a bright future ahead of him. Hopefully he'll become a leader in the black community and displace the race hustlers like sharpton who keep the black people angry and down.

[@carlpolen7437]

Sad to see many of the black commentors here trying to 'uncle Tom' this young man rather than listening to what he's saying.

[@John-mk3oe]

Here's the danger related to one of the last questions......that really smart, educated, analytical, honest people get caught up with being popular and/or enter the political arena......where their once "honest" opinions are now shaped by social/political pressures and not mere reason.

[@ucokalpigari3933]

One of the most interesting people speaking on race in America. I would also add that American race politics are not representative of those in other countries, It really annoys me that way it is taken as emblematic of other countries. In Indonesia, for example, race often involves brown-skinned Javanese colonizing Papua and oppressing other brown people. People need to hear more about this to break down the idea that colonisation is inherently about "whiteness". Look at Tibet and Xinjiang and Kashmir people.

[@thomassimmons1950]

This is one sharp lad..!

[@ricecrackerart1132]

You: Coleman Hughes Me, an intellectual: Samuel L Harris

[@k-mdn4905]

Johan Gustafsson Me, an extremely stable genius: Hammuel Sarris

[@alainfokam4652]

I really enjoyed the interview. Glad to see a young black man like Coleman Cruz Hughes using more reason and fewer emotions talking about these issues...

[@MrMurph73]

What an absolutely beautiful takedown of Candace Owens

[@bhfourtwoeight7343]

Really? He mainly repeated weak criticisms made by others. She is not much on the way of an original thought leader but more someone who just states the obvious from her POV. Her Prager KZbin channel should be on your subscribe list.

[@MrMurph73]

@@bhfourtwoeight7343 I dont see 'providing no evidence at all to back up her points' as a weak criticism!

[@bhfourtwoeight7343]

@@MrMurph73 If she was in the middle of a debate perhaps, but if we are just expressing an opinion or belief we don't include evidence. I'm sure she could provide reasons if asked. The points he did mention were weak: Climate - no one can to point to conclusive evidence on either side that proves/disproves AGW Spencer - his actions are consistent with a provocateur/poser in support of the Left Southern strategy doesn't exist - can't prove a negative. Only evidence for is disconnected events that might be considered to be components of an imagined strategy. Coleman doesn't like the way she thinks - fine - I suggest you watch her current work and make up your own mind.

[@gravygravyjosh]

@@bhfourtwoeight7343 Cimate - 98% certainty doesn't "prove 100%", but its not 50/50. To go against that assumption there should be a lot of quality evidence to challenge the 98%. Spencer - Okay sure.. evidence? Southern strategy - there is evidence from the Nixon administration

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

@@gravygravyjosh - Observation: The Southern Strategy employed by the Nixon Administration in the 1970s and identity politics as employed by Democrats today are strategically and tactically very similar, are they not?

[@clarehaven6068]

Coleman appears to confuse being politically reactionary with responding reactively to a given stimulus. To be reactionary means to oppose political 'progressive' reform.

[@arquilli1]

Coleman is the man!

[@kennethslayor8177]

I have always found it befuddling that many, even a seeming majority, Americans of African descent are free to choose to be Americans, and not just Americans but Americans who can create an entirely new culture not rooted in the miasma of a deep past interwoven with baggage, and yet choose to manufacture internalized connections to baggage rather than embrace their freedom.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

- The frustrating answer is that culture is powerful and difficult to change. Think about the beliefs of Westboro Baptist Church members, cultures in the Middle East, or the beautiful and resource rich country of Mexico and the corrupt and deadly place that is Mexico.... as examples.

[@kennethslayor8177]

@@StrategicWealthLLC Interesting to consider. I differ in position. The entire concept of a Memeplex, and presented by Dawkins, would trend away from that sentiment. Cultures, memeplexes, are much more malleable than demes. It takes a generation to change a deme through cross fertilization, but it takes minutes to change a meme and within weeks alter a memeplex. The current culture among African Americans has no originating features of the source cultures that have not been chosen within the last 150 years. Not one aspect of the original religions, philosophies, politics, art, music, or food transferred intact as a memeplex from Africa to the Americas. Every combination of these things has been invented or reacquired and woven into something strictly and uniquely American within that time frame. The Westboro Baptist Church is more tiresome than the inane Hitler comparisons, but has become somewhat habitual as an example of those ignorant of facts. They are a cult that was created within the life of a single man, with no standing, no actual social value, and therefore inconsequential. They are only important to a Leftwing Media intent on using them irresponsibly to appear as the "dirty demon" Christianity whenever they want to foster hatred against the religious. The Middle East is a long conversation, and one where honest and accurate discussion is not tolerated. Mexico suffers from difficulties embedded by colonial Spain and made worse by the French. Spain, in an attempt to control their economy, made it illegal for colonies to trade with other European nations or even locally. If you needed a dining room set, you could not buy lumber from your neighbor and make it, or buy something locally. The law required all raw materials be shipped to Spain, to maintain employment levels there, and then the finished goods would be shipped back to the colony upon purchase. The high costs incurred by this made bribery for forged official documents a common and necessary function of local economies. When Maximilian I of Mexico was imposed as emperor of Mexico by Napoleon III, he used French administrative techniques which legalized graft and corruption so long as the government got its take, increasing the local cost and incentivizing criminal coalitions to get around the government as well as revolution. These are things that were created by actions taken, and not endemic to the original cultures. Given that Mexico was never more than 3% Spanish during the heyday of its colonial period, these are examples of the virtually instant alteration of the memeplex in response to imposed pressures rather than some deep cultural nature bubbling its way to the surface. The difficulty is that removing the pressures that form an organism does not result in the reversion of the organism to its original form. Other pressures must be brought to bear, and while they may reacquire a similarity of shape, function, and expression - they will never again be the same. It is the Jurassic Park fallacy to believe that what is extinct can be resurrected. The reality is: Nothing extinct can be brought back in its original exactitude.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

@@kennethslayor8177 - You are much more knowledgeable than me on the ideas of Dawkins, so I don't want to give the impression of my ability to intelligently discuss his ideas. I will say that it should be so easy, theoretically, to change cultures over time as each new generation is born. That said, if modern generations are born every 25 years and if life expectancies are ~ 80 years long, then there is a nearly 3:1 population strength advantage of the old (interpret the term liberally) over the young at any given time. While I can easily poke holes in the above, I also believe the above has plenty of truth and influence. Oh, and Coleman has made interesting comments re: how race in America.... and in some black communities specifically... is very similar to church attendance. He means that in both situations, unlike other history one might learn, people learn the same stories over and over and over again. If true, that has to cut a deep groove in the cultural psyche.

[@kennethslayor8177]

​@@StrategicWealthLLC This issue is more complicated, and btw - history degree here. Since the founding of the US the generational turn around in political realignments has been roughly every 30 years. Before 1800 the average life expectancy of adults was between 25 and 30 years of age. Which is why the low estimate, often used in a sort of golden cow way, of 25 years. Between the Civil War and WW II this had risen to 42/35 for urban/rural males, and 45/37 for urban/rural females. With the mass production of big pharma and medical supplies created to fight WW II, the defeat or development of adequate treatments for bubonic plague, chickenpox, cholera, distemper, influenza, gonorrhea , legionnaires' disease, malaria, measles, mumps, polio, smallpox, syphilis , tuberculosis, typhus, etc. became standard raising the life expectancy to nearly three times its previous levels. For the first time we have 3 active generations alive in the work force and voting force. We are a neotenous species, which allows us a great deal of latitude to learn between birth and full maturity. The brain does not quit growing until about age 23 in females and age 25 in males. Consequently, this is also about the time that people become set in their ideological and cultural positions. Such positions rarely change without a specific traumatizing event, usually on an individual basis. So, they do not learn what their parents learned, they experience what their parents express in the environment of their time. By this I mean, that you were not raised in the world when the WW I generation was the dominant generation in the work force and voting force and therefore you cannot experience the zeitgeist of the experience of the events, quality of life, means of production, etc. that was specific to their time. You do not have embedded within you the ideals of the "War to end all Wars" followed by the Roaring 20's, the Great Depression, and having to fight WW II in the dismal recognition that your parents efforts "to end all wars" not only failed, but was a catastrophic miscalculation of the nature of reality - while simultaneously seeing the rise of the industrial age mass produce the wealthiest period of convenience, ease, and entertainment our species has ever experienced in 400,000 years. No amount of reading about it will imbue you with that experience of it and the shaping of your world view by it. So, what I am suggesting is that each generation, regardless of the hard won lessons of their ancestors made available to them, obtains its own paradigm, gravitates toward its own policy agendas on the basis of their specific experience, and attempts to use the resources available to address the specific issue of their experience. But when you have three polarities, each operating on a differently experienced world, attempting to use the same limited resources to address their divergent paths forward according to their paradigm then you achieve the inchoate mess which we have today. It is said the difficulty of each war is that it is entered with plans made for fighting against the innovations available in the last war, and utterly ignorant of how the new technologies will affect the experience of the battlefield. We are no longer playing Go on a two-dimensional board, it is perhaps a four-dimensional board: one dimension for each generation, and one dimension for the current set of events in the environment none of them have ever experienced before. This is something which I suspect we are not equipped to ponder in so complicated a set of strategies and tactics as it may require.

[@Papa2Tone]

Just because the kids were born out of wedlock, doesn't mean it's not a father in the household

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

It's bizarre to have distanced themselves from MLK, a man that is pretty much universally loved and respected... or maybe that's the point.

[@luvitluvitbaby]

“themselves”??? Who are you talking bout? If you mean black people you completely miss the point Coleman Hughes is making. People are not monolithic in their actions and beliefs, especially along lines of race. Judge the individual not the group. 🙏🏾

[@markjenkins1217]

Keep up the excellent work !! Lovin' it!

[@LondonReps]

**reads title** Wew lad be careful there, KZbin will take great pleasure in demonetising you

[@arquilli1]

Sorry everyone was mean to you yesterday Coleman

[@skeletonjazz2100]

They are blind

[@denverdon3450]

If you read The Closing Of The American Mind by Allen C. Bloom he explains how the standards for acceptance into Universities were lowered so that blacks could get in. The course studies however, did not also change, causing the high drop out rates. I do not think that it's fair to let someone in when you know they will fail. What a negative impact that must have. Sad, Sad, Sad!!

[@TheKalluin]

Hughes is right on point. Very inspiring!

[@shanedoyle8933]

The Irish didn't have a history of oppression? Omg

[@eboomer]

Two small points... *A.* Heterodox basically just means unorthodox, it doesn't really mean something like 'comprising a variety of viewpoints' as he seems to think. *B.* There are studies that do show mechanistic demonstration of what is called systemic racism - like response rates to resumes with black sounding names vs to resumes with names consistent of typical white people; the evidence is not only just looking at a difference in resultant economic performance. I do agree that more is made of all this by the left than is necessarily warranted though.

[@PonderNRave]

Ok Coleman - so even comparing like for like is misleading? Data is data and regardless, 25 year olds blacks whites men and women all deserve the same opportunities. We may justify there are differences but from their perspectives living their experience, they need to fulfill their potential.

[@deathcardgonzo9421]

This man reads. A Lot.

[@deathcardgonzo9421]

@spot light true. He could have used more real life scenarios more like these.

[@eleminoupi5670]

@@deathcardgonzo9421 them he would lose his following. Read the comments. He's the black Sam Harris lol

[@skeletonjazz2100]

He's also a very talented musician.

[@FiremarshalM1]

So good. Tweeted it out!

[@michaelknight2897]

This guy is insanely smart. Hes pragmatic which used to be a valued trait. Now, hysteria and irrational dogma is the norm.

[@John1Brady]

Love the channel, love the guest. I am not a big Ms. Owens fan and agree with his assessment of her style of argument but we ALL must rely on various sources to form our opinions and being unable to quote such sources on demand may look bad but does not in itself indicate error. Do the majority of academic thought support ACC? Apparently. What sources are cited? NASA for one. Tony Heller shows "evidence" that the NASA records have being manipulated time and again. If true why? Claims are made that scientific data must be "adjusted" but the claims themselves are arguable. Is ACC proven? Any scientist or observer making this claim would seem unscientific. Dinesh D'Souza makes the case against the southern strategy. I would think Mr. Hughes would be aware of that work. Do the above statements prove either Heller or D'Souza correct? No, but what is points to is that many will share their positions and by suggesting that either position is obviously false should be a lesson to Mr. Hughes to evaluate his excellent guidelines of how to discuss issues with those sharing opposing views.