Collagen for Osteoporosis? Facts and Fraud

Collagen for Osteoporosis? Facts and Fraud. In this video I discuss recent studies on the affect of collagen for bone health. Watch this video to learn more on improving your bone health and lifespan.
Watch and Enjoy! Dr. Doug Lucas Key Moments in this Episode
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00:00 Intro and summary
00:55 Why do people take collagen for bones?
3:50 Study 1
5:15 Study 2
4:00 Closing Summary
Study 1:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8625373/
Study 2:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29337...
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[@12thDecember]

Thank you for the explanation. I plan to take collagen. Even if the increases are negligible, they add up over time. It's better to move in the direction of improvement rather than deterioration.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

True. I'm not against it just don't love the website claims. Like I say in the video. I take it too.

[@lisapease1997]

😅

[@pamelag.00]

I always enjoy listening to your analysis. Thank you!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for listening!

[@susanfarmer6091]

New to your channel, so i have some catching up to do! Recently started Actonel, was opposed to adding more medications, also have Barrett's esophagus. Will be watching your master class this weekend . Thank you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Welcome! Thank you for joining us

[@skitchyjohnson]

Thanks for this video. I saw that study and wondered what your take was on it.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@magpiegirl3783]

Excellent analysis. Helped me understand the role of collagen and how the body uses it. I started taking the bovine type thinking it would help improve bone density but now see that I can tweak my animal protein intake for the same benefits. I did find that my hair and nails improved noticeably so I will continue to take it just as another protein source rather than thinking that collagen specifically is making any difference. I now see why you advocate such a strong protein intake (which I struggle to achieve, but I’m getting there). Thank you for this straightforward presentation.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing your experience! Good work on increasing your protein intake!

[@skincraftorganicsllc8537]

All of your videos, are excellent... this one is no different! Thank you!!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you like them!

[@veronicah6766]

I listened again. The study was for 12 months and a 4% improvement in spine and 6% improvement in hip. Every 2 years I have a Dexascan. In that period of time the last one I decreased by 3% in the spine. So that is what my Dr. is looking at. I'd be happy with a 4% increase. Very happy.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@miryben-ami9442]

Thank you so much for relating to Collagen and in such a valuable, informative way (as in fact, all your videos are :). Appreciate it!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you!

[@kimappreciateslife]

Thanks for the collagen info. Glad I never bothered with it. I do take biotin for hair skin & nails. Any thoughts on Natto for the K2. I buy it at an Asian grocery shop and eat a tablespoon with sardines daily. I can’t tolerate K2 supplements. I take Calcium Citrate & D3, Magnesium, Ester C, & a bariatric Multivitamin. I’m also on a low dose of Estrogen cream for menopause. I also exercise more at 57 than I did at 47. Planks, push-ups, yoga, dancing with stomping, walking… No jumping, due to a big toe joint issue. I’m on a carnivore diet for years. It’s helped me immensely.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Nice! Take a look at our vitamin K video for more on natto.

[@dianesears8449]

I'm so glad I found you, loads of great info for someone just diagnosed with -2.4 osteopenia. Can you comment on PEMF mats, the studies on pemf and osteoporosis please? Thank you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Diane, PEMF does have evidence to support it. I haven't written content on it yet but I'd reviewed it in the past. There are some variables to consider so I'll put this on our short list.

[@dianesears8449]

@OptimalBoneHealth I'd appreciate that. I coincidentally just purchased a pemf mat for general health and well-being the week before I was diagnosed with osteopenia, (spine -2.4, left hip -1.8, right hip -2.3), my first dexa. Here are studies I've looked at but your expert explanation would be great. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=pemf+osteoporosis

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you! I'll get this on our short list. Easy topic to explore. Thanks.

[@patriciagriffin1505]

Thank you

[@normezmoi]

I live in France and I am a BC patient using AI and CDK4/6 inhibitor (for stage IIIC). I take Fortibone for 2 years now. My MD prescribes biphosphonate too. I have bamboo supplement and regularly do bonds in my stairs. My last bone density test showed an incredible improvement from 3.2 to 2.7 in my hip. I'm 58 old and I grew from 164 cm at the begining of the treatment to 166cm. I'm very happy with my results.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@hugtango]

Fortibone is a "scam" not in the way that it does not work, in the way that Gelita pretends that they identified some specific bone targeting bioactiv peptides. Not the case otherwise they would have patented the enzymatic process to produce these peptides and identified clearley the amino sequence. Gelita is bulls...ing everybody with their peptides. Peptan is far less expensive and was on the market for much longer. Having said that collagen is an excellent supp.

[@corgising5606]

@@hugtangoThanks for that info. It’s still hard to figure out which one is best. Suggestions?

[@nemuritai]

can clarify whether you took bisphophanates(not clear in your post) or do you attribute all to the supplements and exercise.. (btw for non French speakers bond means jumping)

[@normezmoi]

@@nemuritai this the combo of all, I think. According to clinical studies : - bisphosphonates can't rebuild bone, but stop loss. - Fortibone builds bone (in my memory 4% per year) - Jumps build bone (jumping rope study).

[@elisabethturville-petre1667]

Super! Thanks a lot.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@lebooshdiaries]

Great info. I take collagen peptide with my breakfast smoothie from Dr Josh Axe brand for about 5 years now and counting. It helps with the pain in my knees. Before that, i would be on and off on glucosamine. As to stronger nails and better hair, nope, didn't see that. I agree with you, a good and nutritious diet is very important.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great plan

[@megm2023]

Great videos, thanks for tackling the subject of bone health! I'd love for you to explain what different Dexa #s mean. For example, I play pickleball 4x a wk, and my last Dexa showed bone growth in my spine, but loss in my hips. How could that be and what does this mean?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Meg, Yes, DEXA is challenging. We will do a more details DEXA video soon. It's time. Seeing disparate numbers like that isn't uncommon. The spine is more trabecular bone and hip is more cortical. They respond differently to different stresses. What it means depends on the numbers and circumstances.

[@burner3637]

Hello. Thank you for your work. I am a male, age 41, working from home eversince covid and also with a pretty sedentary lifestyle. Had Dexa a week ago and got an osteporosis score on my lowerback and ostepenia score for hip. Been trying to learn as much as I can about the subject since then. My sugestion is this: is it possible to do a video that would be a kind of intro to your materials for people just discovering they have osteoporosis or just discovering your channel, and maybe directing people to specific resources on your channel? Thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hello, I was just thinking that our quantity of videos is becoming overwhelming! A couple of thought on this! 1. I'm finishing up a book that should be out soon. That will be a good starting point. 2. We offer group coaching programs that will walk people through a series of more in depth videos than we do for KZbin. Paired with coaching and topics presented by my PA it's a great path as well. 3. Consider our Free Masterclass. You can register below. www.optimalbonehealth.com/bone-foundations-master-class Lastly, you could consider our full service program to optimize your bone health and healthspan. If you'd like to talk to our team use this link. www.optimalbonehealth.com/book Welcome to the group.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@verygood10 Couldn't agree more. The 3rd R in our 4R Method is "retest!"

[@raquelwood3825]

I had been thinking about taking collagen for my osteoporosis, but now I'm thinking it's not totally worth the additional expense, etc., at least for now. Thank you for helping me make a decision in regard to collagen.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@chiaramitchell9726]

Even in Switzerland I can only find a few products containing the Fortibone from Gelita , very hard to get. It is also costly approximately, 85-100 Swiss Francs per month. I have used the following products : CH Alpha Osteo, Osteoligan from Bellapur, OsteoLoges. Gelita also makes a beauty collagen powder called Verisol which claims to be different to other collagen powder because ti is active- not sure if this make a huge difference. Now that you have reviewed the lack lustre study it may make more sense to concentrate on strength training vs these supplement powders all things being considered. I have never had a bone scan as I am younger than the recommendations but both my mother and grandmother had osteoperosis/osteopenia so I was trying to get a head start on the saving my bones as much as possible. Do you have to build muscles in order to build better bones? Although I lift weights with a personal trainer I have not noticed bigger muscles, just more definition i but I wonder if that is because I would need to eat in a pretty big calorie surplus to increase muscle size and therefore have an impact on my bones?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi, thank you for sharing. It sounds like you would greatly benefit from our free bone foundations masterclass. I discuss a lot of this information, you can find the registration link in the description. Also checkout "Best Exercises For Osteoporosis" video and "What The Perfect Diet for Osteoporosis" Video if you have not yet.

[@debbiecrupi7188]

I have tried several collagens that always give me headaches. This video makes me feel a little less bummed about it. That’s for another informative video👍

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@olderandwiser127]

gives my wife histamine reaction. Her ND doctor prefers porcine collagen, and particular brand from Canada.

[@monkeybearmax]

I get headaches too. I think it’s the glycine. I get it too when I just take glycine which is a glutathione precursor. I suspect sulfur metabolism issues.

[@kimw5533]

I have had help with joint stiffness & collagen. What about turmeric supplements?? I so appreciate all your help!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Turmeric is just okay for me. It's very popular but I have not seen much convincing evidence to support it's popularity. My personal experience and that of my patients similarly has failed to encourage me to recommend it.

[@kimw5533]

@@Dr_DougLucas thank you. I add it to soup. Last time I tried it as a supplement it upset my stomach too much. But I was willing to try again (my diet is different now) if it could help.

[@bodhipopo]

Thank you for your highly informative videos. Absolutely love them! In my opinion, you offer the most practical, balanced, and prudent advice on bone health. I would like to get your perspective on proper hydration with high quality structured water vs low quality (e.g. tap) water on bone health, perhaps weaving in Dr Carly Nuday and Victor Schauberger’s works. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you! This is a great topic that I'd like to explore. I'll add it to the list.

[@kathleenmahanwilliams7491]

Will your master class be available for viewing at another time? I will be working and cannot attend. Thank you so much.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, as long as you are registered you will receive a link to replay the class at your convenience.

[@helenlynch6877]

I am a subscribed member. I am also seriously considering signing up for full consultation. I have talked to Julia. I am presently taking Native Path Bone Health Collagen Peptides. It has 5 g of Fortibone and 2.5 grams of Collagen Peptides. I do 2 scoops a day. I also do 1 scoop of Native Path Collagen Peptides. I have been doing for about 3 months. I've seen improvement in nails but not so much hair loss. I have seen they have come out with other collagen products recently. They have a Collagen PM product for sleeping better. Is this a good company and are these good products? The Bone Health Collagen has not been out a year yet so not a lot of data. Thank you, Helen

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Helen, I look forward to working with you! Thank you for subscribing. We have a video on Fortibone and collagen in general. There is no good evidence to support Fortibone’s claims but it makes sense from a HealthSpan Perspective. We reduce natural collagen production as we age so supplementation is logical. I wouldn’t expect to see a substantial study on the product.

[@thejeweloftheklamath]

I bought the Native chocolate for my osteoporosis. I wonder if i should have ordered plain?

[@HuongBui-cy5rg]

I have been taking collagen because my skin was papery thin. The veins on my arms and legs popped up like a map. Now it appears as normal as for 70 years old person. My blood vessels used to break when I hold a knife tightly or bumped into something. Now it rarely happens. My knees are less painful I can even run a mile or two.

[@nailyaeder3768]

Amazing result! I have same problem with skin and blood vessels! What type of collagen did you use? What company name? Appreciate your reply🙏

[@HuongBui-cy5rg]

@@nailyaeder3768 I got Further Foods collagen peptides. 32oz grass-fed pasture-raised from Costco. Good luck.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing! Glad to hear of your good experience with it

[@wendyhla7097]

Thanks. I have big blood blesses on my arms too since I was in 50’s. I will try.

[@julietasilva9079]

Doctor, what do you think about use of Prolia? Thank you for the information ❤

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Julia, Prolia is a form of resorptive drug which I don't like. It decimates bone metabolism and makes it difficult to build bone. The risks are significant. There is a time and place for these drugs but I think they are over used and are recommended instead of natural approaches too often.

[@PEzell-cp1lt]

Drs are quick to prescribe Prolia without much investigation. A minimum requirement should be a trip to the dentist before taking the first jab.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@PEzell-cp1lt Agree but taking that a step further. Asking the question about what the long term plan is? Prolia forever? If so, will dental work be required for the remainder of your life? A big reason why I don't like this class of drugs.

[@toriwolf5978]

DO NOT Take Prolia it’s very bad for your bones …..

[@maryjothurber2387]

Thank you, what type/brand of collagen do you take?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hello, I currently use a product from a company called Equipe. They make a grass fed collagen, peptide product that goes well in my smoothie. I consume this with their hydrolyzed beef protein powder.

[@zhilahaghbin4766]

Thanks I just signed up for July 18th

[@Dr_DougLucas]

See you soon!

[@johnrathjen36]

Dr Doug- great video I’m curious if you looked into the difference between collagen products like Fortibone, and the general stuff you get at Costco or health food stores. Most sources I’ve read state that the bioavailability of collagen is much greater with the lower the molecular weight is. The Fortibone brand has a MW of 5000 daltons, whereas most of the stuff you buy commercially is up as high as 45,000 daltons. I’m currently taking a product that has a MW of 3000 daltons. Also - I’m a little skeptical about the idea that consuming collagen is no different than consuming a quality protein or amino acid supplement, because it all gets broken down into amino acids anyway so there’s no difference. If that were absolutely true, then why do so many people notice a definite improvement in skin/hair/nails when adding collagen to their diet, assuming of course they have adequate protein intake to begin with? If adding collagen improves those other things more than just consuming other forms of protein, I don’t think it would be crazy to assume it could also help your bones as well

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great questions! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@andreatorraca8755]

Would love your thoughts on grounding/earthing for osteo.I can just say when I sleep with grounding sheet,My body feels great ,Would like to know which collagen you take.I follow a keto diet,and have added in prunes.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Nice! I hope that works for you. I use grounding sheets as well and walk barefoot regularly. I don't think there is any evidence for grounding and OP specifically but I'll have my team do some research.

[@MichaelO-gq5mq]

Any small improvement in BMD seems worthwhile

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, BMD is very important but not the only thing we like to measure

[@muhammadhuzairy621]

hye there.. i am looking forward about bone health.. could you tell me, there a few combine mineral that i found which can lead to regenerated bone density i.e vitamin k2, vitamin d3 , magnesium , collagen type 1 & 3 also calsium it self. is it truth about all these mineral can a sure bone repair of bone loss on elderly people..

[@Dr_DougLucas]

They all play a role, yes!

[@kathiejohns1418]

I have a question! Which collegian brand should I use? And is AlgeaCal the best for bones?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Take a look at this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmHHdKpjYp5_hrs For collagen? Lots of good brands. Use Collagen peptides.

[@user-dt3wm8rn4j]

Collagen and Keratin are good for hair and nails. Protein seems to help my hair. I do have to monitor my Vit.D w/ K2 M7. I hope my walking helps my thinning hip. My father never got up after hip operation. 4 years bedridden and passed. I have a small frame. 62 and look ok, but I want to feel better, more importantly.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thanks for sharing! It sounds like you could benefit from the next free Bone Foundations Masterclass we have coming up if you have not attended one before. You can find more information here --> www.optimalbonehealth.com/build-bone

[@paulelkins425]

Excellent review of the limited evidence that supports collagen for bone health! I was taking collagen peptides for the past couple years. I recently stopped and started taking whey protein and glycine instead. It's much cheaper and I feel provides more broad support against both sarcopenia and osteoporosis.

[@wocket42]

Why not eat natural whole food instead? You get proteins from red meat and glycine from bone broth.

[@paulelkins425]

@@wocket42 I've been eating a whole food diet for well over 10yrs which includes 2 servings of meat per day plus 1-2 eggs. Despite this diet I developed osteoporosis. My worst dexa T-score was -3.2 1.5 yrs ago. I added the supplements and resistance training at that time to avoid the biphosonates my Dr prescribed. In 1yr my T-score improved to -2.7. I'm sure it will be much better on my next test in Nov. For me a healthy whole food diet wasn't enough to support bone health.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Paul, I like that move. Better bang for your buck!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

As Paul said it may not be enough but it's a great start.

[@nayabahmed1245]

@paulelkins425 exactly what brand are u taking?

[@LesleyMowat]

Bone strength is important not just density. There are a lot of good studies about heavy weight lifting and jump training to improve bone strength and density too. Check them out.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Lesley, Take a look at our videos on exercise or a review of the LIFTMOR trial! You are absolutely correct that strength is more important than density.

[@trees5338]

Looking at a person holistically with osteopenia and a removed thyroid with eGfr of 56, what impact will food have on improving all three, as I see it, what is good for one condition is not good for another. Very difficult to balance it out.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

A protein forward diet should not negatively impact mild kidney disease but if your doctor has placed you on restriction than please follow that. A low inflammatory diet should improve all three.

[@piacharles5252]

Thank you. What is your opinion about freeze dried bone broth? I use biomed Finnish Reindeer bone broth 1g contains (and to be mixed with 2.5dl water) collagen 0.27g, Glysine 72,6mg, Glutamic Acid 40.6mg, Hydroxyproline 33mg, Proline 38mg Chondroitin 4.5mg Thank you very much. Pia

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Pia, Those poor reindeer! I'm kidding but interesting choice of source for a product. I feel like the nutrients are likely preserved and the convenience and environmental impact are much better.

[@vickigoldbach]

Dr Lucas Can we put collage powder in coffee. I’m on Gelitas design for Hlth whole collagen one Thx

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, I don’t believe the heat denatures the protein. This is a common move.

[@zhilahaghbin4766]

Thanks much Dr. appreciate your insights, I would like to know how to reverse osteoporosis, since I hear you have a free seminal, why don't you just do it in a video, so many millions given the bad news but other than avoiding ETOH, cig, and doing Vit D, ? dietary Ca, Mg, wt training, walking , what else can one do without meds which are all controversial, or is there one that actually worth taking?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

We will discuss at our master class which I see you are signed up for!

[@Angelawong-kv4zb]

Thank you for the collagen information. I try to limit toxins. Is it important to buy collagen sourced from grass-fed animals free of hormones and antibiotics?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@terrykirk8260]

Could you suggest exercises for someone who hasn't been exercising for years. I had a knee replacement, develop lymphedema in that leg and finally broke that leg in a fall. I get around in a walker. How do I begin working toward doing weight bearing exercises? g

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Terry, These have to start very basic. I recommend working with a physical therapist or trainer to optimize movement for you at this point.

[@LesleyMowat]

I agree any improvement is worth it. You can get a very similar collagen in the german study. I read the study too. The north american version is made by prevcan. I also increase meat intake plus drink homemade chicken bone broth.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Lesley, I looked at Prevcan as well but didn't find it available anywhere?

[@rosemaryjohnstone3399]

My oncologist wants to start Prolia b/c of ostiopinia. I would like to try something natural.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

We are recording a video on Prolia tomorrow! Stay tuned, subscribe and sign up for notifications and we will let you know when it's out!

[@stellaoliver2860]

Thank you do much for your insights. I really can't afford to waste money on stuff that doesn't really help. Much appreciated.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Happy to help!

[@BadAssElf810]

I have big G.I issues and do not tolerate vitamin c even the calcium ascorbate except in very small doses. I also do not tolerate collagen supplements or bone broth. Also, I have had to decrease the fruit and vegetables I eat.Thus, I am worried that I am not getting enough C. My osteoporosis is getting worse so have started Prolio. I have often wondered if I can get Vitamin c into my body by soaking my feet in a Vitamin C bath as I often do with epsom salts and have started doing these Vitamin C soaks. I cannot find any research on this question but I would think this would be a fairly easy study to undertake? Any thoughts?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Could be done but who would do it? No money to be made on vitamin C soaks. I would have my gut health team dig deep into your gut issues to see if we could improve function rather than looking for alternatives.

[@aurora3428]

60y lady due to early menopause and lacking physical exercises diagnosised with - 4.5 spine osteoporosis with no fracture. Doctors push for Evnity first year followed by prolia two years, any chance still to improve bone quality with protein rich diet, collagen supplements an strength training program? Many thanks for your reply!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! We would love to explore this with you. We believe everyone has a chance if given the correct protocol and if said protocol is thoroughly followed. If you would like to speak with one of our onboarding specialist to learn more you can do so at the following link --> www.optimalbonehealth.com/membership

[@ChristieCalitz]

May a Warfirin user take collagen powder as supplement?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@15440]

What about geting your collegen from bone broth? (Cook for 36 hours)

[@Dr_DougLucas]

It's possible and delicious! I've not seen any good evidence on this approach though. I do it!

[@ritaschultz6859]

What about NAD Niacinamide vitamin B3 ?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@lindadrake8372]

what is your opinion of Garden of Eden's Grow Bone product?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Not my favorite. It has a lot of calcium from an unidentified source which is concerning for contamination. Not enough vitamin D to be used alone. Not enough mag to be used alone. It combines Strontium with Calcium which compete for absorption. etc etc.

[@lindadrake8372]

@@Dr_DougLucas thank you for your prompt answer. Is there a complete formula such as this that you recommend?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@lindadrake8372 Unfortunately, no. I think I need to make one! Putting together supplement stacks is one of our services in our programs. Supplements should be based on testing, known deficiencies, genetics and goals whenever possible!

[@12thDecember]

@@Dr_DougLucas I looked at this product as a possible osteoporosis aid. The strontium is a separate pill and the instructions are to take 3 on an empty stomach at least 2 hours away from ingestion of any calcium source.

[@gracie3174]

What collagen brand do you use doctor?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I have several that I rotate through. I prefer collagen from grass fed cows that comes in peptides forms.

[@pattiamatucci9921]

Is it true creatine and turmeric are good for rebuilding bones? If so, how much?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I haven't seen studies on these specifically for bone health BUT creatine is great for muscles and therefore indirectly will impact bones. Turmeric is anti-inflammatory which is good for bones. How much? Standard dosing for creatine is 5g/day. Some people take less and people with kidney disease should ask their doctor first. Turmeric dosing is all over the map. It depends on the form, quality etc.

[@janrajek8634]

Is type two bone collagen the best to take?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Not sure what your asking. There is much debate on where to get collagen supplementation. I don't know that there is a great answer either. Collagen in bones is type 1 but there is no evidence to support consuming a particular type of collagen to support a specific structure.

[@veronicah6766]

How long was the collagen study for? What period of time?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! All study links are in the video description

[@MariaBrinks25]

Collagen supplements are expensive but if they don't help with osteoporosis and eating meat is better for bones Which type of meat would be best for bones? I personally don't like eating meat but I do eat it for health protein and nutrition it's getting expensive these days but if I don't buy collagen supplements anymore what type of meat is best for bone health to make them stronger??

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Maria, Generally red meat is going to be most nutrient dense but getting a variety of meats will improve diversity of nutrients.

[@MariaBrinks25]

@@Dr_DougLucas so there's not one specific meat that will ultimately be best for the bone it's all mests? When I was first diagnosed I was eating pig feet , pig ears or pig snout , not at the same time at different meals on different days but because I heard that these meat cuts have collagen But the problem was there not good quality those cuts of meat didn't come from a local farm or anything like that they just came from a basic grocery store , the only grass-fed meat that's available in my area is that one pound ground beef that comes in a vacuum-sealed pack but it's $8 regular meat is much cheaper but is it still okay to eat meat even if it doesn't come from a local quality farm ?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@MariaBrinks25 It's all a spectrum. I would focus on the quality nutrients over the collagen content. Conventional beef is still nutrient dense despite the issues with processing and husbandry.

[@MariaBrinks25]

@@Dr_DougLucas the most affordable beef I can get is the 1 lb ground beef they sell at Walmart the conventional kind , I think that's true also even if it's not grass-fed regular meat is still nutritious and has high protein that's so good to know because yeah because of my budget I can't always afford the grass fed beef but regular beef is more affordable, actually beef heart beef liver and beef kidney is the most affordable of all meats but I was told it's not good to eat organ meats more than once a week

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@MariaBrinks25 actually organ meats are amazing. Liver is high in vitamin A so don’t over do it. An ounce a day is probably your max there but heart can be eaten as often as you like!

[@denisepipitone34]

Should we be paying attention to t scores or z scores

[@paulelkins425]

IMO, T scores are more important. They compare your bone density with a healthy young individual. Z scores compare you to the average for your age and sex. As the general population's health declines the average bone density may not be a healthy target.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Denise, T-Scores are what are used to define osteoporosis, fracture risk and monitor improvements with drug therapy. They aren't everything though. We monitor T-scores but are more interested in other biomarkers and imaging when available.

[@tezdee2]

Hi Dr. Lucas, I have been prescribed 600mg calcium three times daily after my total thyroidectomy ten days ago. I'm worried about the side effects. I am unable to walk due to some illness that my doctor is not able to diagnose. Should I get my calcium from my diet instead of supplements? Thanks.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@tezdee2 Hi, this is a different situation than being recommended calcium for osteoporosis. Do you mean parathyroidectomy? If your team told you that you need that much calcium I would ask them if you can get it through diet instead. That is a lot of calcium either way but I'm not familiar with the recommendations for post parathyroidectomy.

[@christinanovotny5939]

I dont think you mention bone broth in the collagen talk. Or did you? Do you consider bone broth as a form of collagen or is it something different? Do you see benefits in bone broth to influence bone quality?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I love bone broth and it has great components that likely will help bone. No down side!

[@wocket42]

I eat red meat and drink beef bone broth. For the amino acids. Not for large proteins.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing!

[@carolynking6874]

Confusing. Ive been taking collagen for some time. should i quit????

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Not necessarily. I like collagen I just wanted to point out that there is no real evidence supporting collagen supplementation for bone health.

[@carolsmith1215]

But then why did they make me drink a nasty collagen supplement in rehab, after multiple broken bones from a car accident? I am taking a grass fed collagen product now. More for skin and joint support. Waste of money?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Waste of money is relative to resources. There is probably benefit for skin, hair and nails but the literature does not show that it supports bone health. We do slow in collagen production as we age. So, replacing fits with anti-aging protocols BUT does it make the top ten list? Maybe…

[@pambarrett39]

Hi Dr Doug There are a lot of supplements collagen what do you use I use a type 1 and 3 with vit c pill not the powder is this a good quality Neocell is pill form ok over powder thanks

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Pam, I just use a collagen peptide from grass fed cows. As far as vitamin C there are many options. Powders, capsules etc. Probably most are well absorbed if you buy from a reliable source.

[@pambarrett39]

@@Dr_DougLucas thanks for getting back to me ! I have subscribed to your channel great info !

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@pambarrett39 Thanks! So glad you enjoy it. Spread the word! We are promoting a revolution.

[@pambarrett39]

@@Dr_DougLucas I think it’s great

[@thejeweloftheklamath]

I purchased chocolate collegan . Is that okay for osteoporosis?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

The research on collagen isn’t great for bones. There is a clear reason to supplement collagen for anti-aging and HealthSpan but will it impact bones? hard to say.

[@lindagrigsby3699]

So., the bottom line is? Take it or not?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Take it for Healthspan, not necessarily for bone health. That's what I tell my patients.

[@gracie3174]

Can I reverse my osteoporosis ?I’m in my 60’s .

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Checkout our website, optimalbonehealth.com. We would be more than happy to provide you with further information on our program and the details of your specific case. You can schedule a discovery call here if you are interested --> www.optimalbonehealth.com/schedule

[@magpietexas9475]

There’s more to health than just bones. Collagen is helpful for soft tissue

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@magpietexas9475]

@@Dr_DougLucas I had a torn meniscus in my knee - diagnosed with MRI - and just put up with it for years. Within a few weeks of taking collagen, I couldn't feel it at all. That was 3 years ago and I can hardly remember which knee it was. Now hoping this osteoporosis will just disappear too🤞 Thanks for the info you share!!! I feel like I'm getting a handle on it❤

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@magpietexas9475 That's amazing! I hope you continue to see benefits and health!

[@pawsformercy1050]

These drs tell us to comment so they can read and then they dont REPLY very frustrating when ppl like me are basically forced to go it alone out here

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Are you referring to this doctor? I spend a lot of time answering thousands of questions on this platform.

[@12thDecember]

I hope you're not referring to Dr. Lucas, because I've noticed that he _consistently_ replies to comments, and not just with "Thank you." He actually answers questions. But if you're referring to other KZbin channels, you're absolutely right. It's frustrating to read sincere questions from people who need guidance, only to have their questions ignored.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@12thDecember Thank you.

[@vatsalasharma1998]

Hi how can I contact you for the consultation

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@vatsalasharma1998 you can schedule to talk with a team member here www.optimalbonehealth.com/schedule

[@user-dt3wm8rn4j]

Blood tests. Toxic lebels are dangerous ❤

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing!