Best Supplement for Osteoporosis

[@chantellucky4565]

So what happened to Tim’s solutions to his bone health problems??

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Ahh! That got edited out! This needed up being a great option and part of his overall plan.

[@OMGaNEWBIE]

@@Dr_DougLucas - What do you mean by: This needed up being a great option. Is that a typo?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@OMGaNEWBIE If you are referring to the subtitles those are not written but transcribed. There are always errors.

[@OMGaNEWBIE]

@@Dr_DougLucas - No, not the subtitles, it's actually from your post to @chantellucky4565 8 days ago, when she asked about Tim's solution for his bones. Your post said: Ahh! That got edited out! This needed up being a great option and part of his overall plan. What did you mean by the last sentence? Do you have info about what Tim did for his bones?

[@msminicooper2010]

@@OMGaNEWBIE Might have been a typo and should have read "This ended up ..." Tim, oh Tim, where are you?!

[@tringo5734]

I am a 64 yr old woman and have increased my bone density in my spine by 12% and my hips 4.6% . I take my supplements individually. I took vitamin k2 m7, D3, Boron, Magnesium glycinate. Stopped eating bread and sugar. I use monk fruit and stevia. My doctor was really surprised. They were pushing the drugs. I had gone into osteoporosis. I now take creatine monohydrate to help my muscles and energy.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@loidatorres10]

Wonderful info! What is ur daily exercises? Pls share too.🙏

[@blissfulbaboon]

Thank you so much for sharing.Can you expand on your diet?😊

[@salimaoomer5413]

I​@@loidatorres10

[@yogita902]

But k2 blood thikner

[@lj9089]

I would love for you to be my doctor! I wish you took insurance because I just can’t afford it otherwise. But thank you for doing these videos, they are helpful! I’m so glad there are people out there, addressing osteoporosis in the way that you do!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hello, I wish I could give it away but paying my team appropriately and providing benefits is $$$. We do have lower cost options that you could consider.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for your kind words. I wish I could give my services away but I have to pay my team! As for service cost we do have lower cost options. If you’d like to schedule with our team they can help you.

[@anniematthew2608]

I had to see a heart specialist who charged $250. for office visit. What did I receive ? 10 minutes of her time? & let’s change your med. 😖 That’s when I realized there’s nothing special about a specialist & getting well is for people with $$$$. So I am researching & becoming my own specialist, trial & error, pretty much that’s what most doctors do with patients. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Thankful for the doctors that share their knowledge on YT to help us.

[@amalsabri4038]

18:25 thank you SO VERY much for another v. elightening episode. I have severe osteoporosis at 71...(& refusing to take prescribed Prolia), but live in a country where I can't order pharmaceuticals from abroad due to customs restrictions...However, I'm hopeful to locally seek the 4 supplements you described separately if necessary. MANY thanks again.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, so glad to hear this. Thank you for sharing!

[@eatmeatandliftweights5754]

Bone drugs have horrible side effects, look up dr Weston Price diet and start weight training.

[@llotsdeede]

I don’t know what kind of Doctor you are or where you are but do you see real patients? If so No matter where you are located I would give anything if I could get an appointment with you. I feel desperate. I ham 76 but have always felt younger mentally anyway LOL. MY L1 is fractured, L2-L4 have collapsed and can’t remember the problem with L5-S1. My husband d was very very sick and I had to do everything alone for a couple of months and during that period my son was in a Head on car collision so I had him to take care of and I did too much because that is when everything happened. That was in April. I know all this information is great BITNI REALLY NEED A ONE-ON-ONE with someone like you. All my Doctors do nothing but tell me to take Bisophosphonates. Which I really don’t want to do BUT AM TERRIFIED FOR MY SPINE TO COLLAPSE. My whole life has changed. I am always in pain. They sent me to Physical Therapy but after 12 weeks they said they really could t help me any more GO HOME EXERCISE. HELP!!!!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! Yes, I do see real patients. Please contact my team to get into a program and schedule to see me. My team can be reached one of two ways: By phone at: 828-552-5515 or on our website at: www.optimalbonehealth.com/schedule@@llotsdeede

[@hc5327]

D3/K2 is recommended. K2 helps put the calcium into the bones. This was discovered a few years ago so studies were done. Without the K2 calcium was going into the soft tissues. Now D3/K2 is being told to use by many Drs. Higher doses fro a couple of weeks then taper down as needed.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@Indydi]

My husband is a retired organic chemist...lol. He loves chemistry. If you ever get him talking about it, especially with pen and paper in hand, you'd better quick go grab a book.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Haha that's great!

[@googleuser8036]

There are several Japanese clinical studies recently published, which concluded that MK4 is much more effective (even in half of the commonly prescribed dose) for osteoporotic patients than MK7.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@shazzamm12]

Thank u SO MUCH for your videos. I have been diagnosed with premature menopause & the med establishment r terrifyingly clueless!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@carollittle1381]

You are a breath of fresh air. My doctor wants me on 1500 calcium. And when he realized I was not on any prescriptions, he planned to fix that. So I have not been back. But I will have to do something. 3.9 spine and I was first diagnosed in my 40s (more than 20 years ago). My sister is on Prolia...did no research. Just did as her doctor told her. I never thought my problem was caused by a lack of calcium so i don`t know why taking that to excess now will help me. I have seen those vegan and alkaline recommendations and they did not ring true to me either.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this! I am glad you enjoy the videos. It sounds like you could benefit from our free masterclass session. Our next one is in September. If you are interested you can register at this link---> www.optimalbonehealth.com/bone-foundations-master-class

[@kathrynjanzen5618]

Weight bearing exercises. Even jumping up and down.

[@nfnitedawn]

Thank you so much for this vital information! I spoke with my doctor and she's now taking me off of Tymlos because of extremely bad side effects. I just ordered this product to add to my supplementation. I'm pretty sure natural supplementation is the way I will go. I'm very sensitive to any kind of medicine for osteoporosis. Again, thank you for your detailed videos!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, very glad to hear that. Thank you for sharing this!

[@dotjeff4543]

I get my vitamin A in cod liver oil. It also has vitamin D and DHA and EPA.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I’m a fan too. I am going to make a video about this soon. Thanks for sharing.

[@LJ-uq7eh]

You always do a great job of presenting whatever the topic and we love listening all the way to the very end of the videos ( and then, sometimes watch them again! Being one of many people who have a difficult problem of trying to swallow pills, please consider making the product you create in regular size & also a lot smaller size. i have ordered mini size pills in the past & they are just rounder instead of an inch long & still impossible to swallow. I’m sure there are plenty of people who would be willing to take 3 or 4 pills rather than 1 large one. Older people especially need the smaller pills so they don’t choke. Can’t wait for your new product to come out on the market!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great idea! Thanks for comment.

[@Indydi]

I have the same problem! Not sure if it's from a tight sphincter in my throat (I can't burp either...it's called R-CPD), but swallowing pills is an ordeal. Even a large capsule that can be opened up and put in yogurt would be fine.

[@carolcole570]

DR. DOUG. 3-28-2024. I feel like I am spinning my wheels…..with you…..on getting solid info. First, I struggle because your videos are so long and detailed, that frankly, I am worn completely OUT going from one to another, to another. Second. Hearing BASICALLY the same things repeatedly….plus getting soooo worn out is THE reason I don’t sign up for that one hour class. The seemingly long winded information is wearing me down. I am SO sorry to say this. Third. So I STILL have my doggone basic bottom line questions. A. You say do not take calcium. Then, you say TO take calcium. 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 B. You NEVER have mentioned specific Labs for a recently diagnosed Osteoporosis patient…..to request. 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 I will be 80 soon. I have OTHER HORRIBLE diseases, so am constantly trying to stay apprised of THOSE, as well. I love you since you seem to be a natural or transplanted Southern boy, but honey, you are driving me into an early grave.❤️

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi, thank you for sharing your feedback. I have been told very many times in the past that I speak too fast and do not go into detail enough so I have practiced slowly down. Everyone is different but I will try to meet in the middle :) I just published a video that goes into great detail about calcium. This will hopefully answer your questions. The video is called "Best Calcium Supplement for Osteoporosis: 2024 Update & NEW Perspectives on Calcium"

[@carolcole570]

@@Dr_DougLucas Thank you for the video referral, BUT, for my elderly mind, it simply went completely OVER my head. All that is continually whirling thru MY mind is, “ You are soon to be 80. Because of your AGE , do NOT take calcium. Period/the end. PLUS, get your calcium levels checked,and IF they are too high, then follow Dr. Berg’s advice on getting it LOWERED. “ So, this is where I stand. And as usual, your information…..for ME…..is just too overwhelming and I can’t comprehend what you are trying to teach us. Part of MY problem is A.D.D. , I realize.

[@cynthiawheeler3082]

I love your channel, I’ve learned so much from them. I was diagnosed with osteoporosis two years ago. After being on boniva for over five years my doctor put me on Calcitonin Salmon nasal spray. I should be getting a dexa scan this year to see how it’s working. Do you prescribe this to you patients?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Checkout our free Bone Foundations masterclass if you have not attended one before. We discuss program details. You can find more information here --> www.optimalbonehealth.com/build-bone

[@hc5327]

Great video and very informative.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@shar7508]

I have read that in addition to d and k, that magnesium, and strontium supplementation were important for osteoporosis. (Along with other minerals like zinc, selenium, copper, etc) What are your thoughts on this? Thanks😊

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Absolutely I agree! A complete stack for osteoporosis would include all of those things.

[@shar7508]

@@Dr_DougLucas can you please make one 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Fs23999]

@@Dr_DougLucasbut how much strontium?

[@juliewienert8059]

I’m learning a lot from these videos. I have a question….how do you feel about supplements containing algaecal? Does this plant based calcium clog arteries like rock calcium? Do you think they are effective in building bone?

[@Robinredbreast]

Thanks for this. Are there any clinical studies on Vitamin A and E which demonstrate efficacy? I have heard that creatine is beneficial. What is your view?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Studies on AlgaeCal do show improved BMD but the design I've criticized openly. I have a video on this topic. If you search dr doug calcium website claims you can see it.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Creatine is a great supplement. I'll make a video on it someday!

[@saintsfan2233]

When I researched this product they have had some data that they have other negative chemicals.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@saintsfan2233 What negative chemicals are you referring to? What data?

[@islandbirdw]

When I was a critical care nurse we commonly surveyed serum magnesium, phosphorus, calcium and chloride. More often than not we had to supplement with Magnesium phosphate and calcium chloride intravenously. I have found it difficult to get the proper ratio and NONE have appreciable amounts of phosphorus. I use the food based vitamin Rainbow light. It has 5 different types of Mag with a small complement of calcium. Then separately take algae-cal Grow Bone supplements.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@lisabeaty2824]

Thanks so much for making videos. The suggestions are sound.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you like them!

[@debbiec6216]

my doctor has me take Alendronate 70 mg tablet , each week. for Osteoporosis . I had a dexa scan, that's how they determine, that I need to take it.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this

[@debbiec6216]

@@Dr_DougLucas Protect + 5 supplements is that the basis supplement like A, D3/K2 , etc . And will ALL this help Osteoporosis and Osteopenia? And if it helps anything else , could you please mention it ? Thank you . Debbie

[@christinecullimore8032]

Thank you for all your information

[@Dr_DougLucas]

My pleasure!

[@12thDecember]

Thank you for the explanation about vitamins, particularly vitamin E which I hadn't considered before as a bone health supplement. I don't mind taking a couple more pills of vitamin A and E if necessary. I have reduced my intake of calcium supplements to 500mg daily, based on monitoring my diet and realizing I was getting at least half what I needed through my food. I went to the product site. It has this disclaimer: "Caution: Individuals taking more than 50 mcg (2,000 IU) of Vitamin D per day should have their vitamin D levels monitored. This product is not intended for long term use and should be used under the supervision of your doctor." The product has 125 mcg of vitamin D, which is 5,000 IU. That seems like a lot. And if it's not intended for long-term use, I can't see it as being helpful for a long-term regimen, which is what we need if we're striving to improve and maintain bone health.

[@k9rescuer934]

I’ve been taking a couple of D3 (5,000 IU) daily for 6 years and my labs haven’t shown any cause for alarm, of course everyone is different.

[@12thDecember]

@@k9rescuer934 Having vitamin D levels checked is important, and everyone has different absorption and utilization rates, I agree. What bothers me is the product statement that it's "not intended for long term use," especially since long term isn't defined.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

They have to say that because it's an effective dose but for some could drive them over 100 ng/mL. However, we are generally giving patients more than this and most don't get there. I've been taking 5,000iu for years and my vit D hovers between 90 and 100. Testing is critical though because some people can go to high.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Generally the case. Thanks for sharing.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

It's a CYA statement. Their original product had 10,000iu in it....

[@katherinebaer6798]

Enjoyed the informative video!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Wyomi]

Giving it a try. My D# and K2 are running out and it is time for a refill. This will give me the other additional nutrition as well in one pill. Thank you for the discount code. Praying for good results!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@Trixie_reads]

I recently read Fracture Proof Your Bones, and the dr who authored that said only K2 MK4 has been proven to improve bone.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

As far as I know the Japan study is the only outcome study on Vit K and fracture. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use the product that is likely superior. Mechanistically it makes more sense. If someone wanted to follow that study and take a massive dose of MK-4 that's fine.

[@loridickinson4930]

I had an overdose of vitamin A and E from supplements. I was in my early 20’s and it caused goiter. Thank god I found an amazing doctor in Beverly Hills and caught it, took me off my supplements and we watched my goiter reduce and I got well. I didn’t take vitamins for years.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this!

[@Irene-q5v]

I can’t wait until your new product so I know I get the right amount of the vitamins and calcium ❤ Is your supplement available to order from Canada? I am in so much pain from osteoporosis, but I’m not ready to lay down and die. I’m in pain 24/7 , I try doing stretches and light exercises even though they are so painful 😓 still

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for that. I love your persistence. Stay Strong! We are a long way out from creating our own product. We are looking at all options at this point. We want to serve the most people as best we can.

[@TheDreamincolor]

Dr. Lucas. Thank you so much for educating us. I’m very grateful. I’m considering switching my calcium supplement to calcium microcrystalline hydroxyapatite, my concern is vascular calcification. I have Zero calcium, CT scan in March. Should this be my concern ? Thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

That's great! The research supports calcium with Vit D and K2 as not increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke. This is the approach we use.

[@cathyjennings5580]

Traceminerals. And MAGNESIUM GLUCONATE GLYCINATE (non laxative) Mega amounts of POTASSIUM GLUCONATE , BORON, B-6 25mg. etc. 😊

[@Dr_DougLucas]

All good ideas. Not sure about mega amounts of anything!

[@lsb888]

Thankyou❤great info- overwhelming though!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@msminicooper2010]

So true! Glad I wasn't a chem major!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for your support!@@msminicooper2010

[@MariaZiobrowski]

Hi Dr. Lucas, I really like your videos. I was diagnosed with osteoporosis and I would like to know if drinking in the morning a glass of water with organic apple cider vinegar in healthy with my condition. Thank you so much

[@Dr_DougLucas]

This is on my list to explore. I’ve heard the recommendation but am not sure there is any evidence to support it.

[@dnav2663]

What about AlgaeCal?? You recommended that and I'm using that?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! Yes, my updated video for supplements is called "The Best Supplements for Osteoporosis in 2024"

[@seawolf365]

Thanks for this.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@seawolf365]

@@Dr_DougLucas I just fell and broke my foot so I am laid up and have time.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Oh no! I am sorry to hear that! @@seawolf365

[@hannaha6870]

Thank you doctor for the excellent information! Is there a vitamin E supplement that you would recommend?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

The vitamin E in this product is likely sufficient. If you want a stand alone product Gamma E from life extension is something I use.

[@kittymakkar213]

Are these gluten free

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@kittymakkar213 Yes, the label should indicate it as such.

[@saintsfan2233]

Good sound information. Just trying to find the right clean products is hard and appreciate your research and product information.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@claradiblasi354]

Great information, thank you 👍

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ColleenSpelliscy]

I have recently been diagnosed with osteoporosis (at 71). I do not want to take drugs, so after watching some of your presentations I opted for a product called Strong Bones. Could you give me a critique on it?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I've reviewed it. It's like all of them in that it's okay. It's too high in calcium for most of my patients and doesn't have adequate amounts of the micronutrients that it does have. Better than nothing!

[@frankjames1955]

Dr. Joel wallach is the best on this issue, he advises chicken bone powder and calcium and minerals

[@teejay1650]

@@frankjames1955You must take D & K with calcium or it will not get into the bone.

[@rasmokey4]

Your keeping me in suspence! What is the suppliment that I need for my osteoporosis??

[@Dr_DougLucas]

That is the magic question! But there isn’t just one. A comprehensive plan based on biomarkers is what it takes.

[@judysebern2005]

Thank you!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@k9rescuer934]

Thank you so much for all this information!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Glad it was helpful!

[@gayeadams3675]

I'm just going through the comments and see mentions of creatine and strontium....how important are they, and how much should be taken?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Creatine has not been studied specifically for osteoporosis that I’m aware of but I do like it for HealthSpan in general. Most dosing regiments are 1g/day. Strontium I have an entire video on!

[@anapun3272]

Dr Doug can you please talk about vitamin B3, there is so much positive and negative opinion.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes! I will add this to my list

[@selma5885]

What level do you like Vitamin D at? I've maintained mine at 75 or so for 10 years, but still developed osteoporosis. This dose seems high for ongoing. I've had to back off of 5000 IU from time to time. Isn't there data so support a multivitamin in health? I was thinking of good multivitamin, K2, Calcium/mag, D separate combo do to manage separately amounts? Wondering about a natural source like cod liver oil for A? Still confused on K2 since fro what I've read the only substantial data supporting lower fracture rates is with MK4 Japan/high dose studies. We don't have enough data with MK7? If that's true why not go with the long time tested MK4 Japan 45 mg dose?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi, I don't like that dose because it's a monster dose! Also, I try to use supplementation to mimic natural consumption not supraphysiologic. There is data to support the impact MK7 has on osteocalcin and subsequently on bone. I wouldn't expect to see a large trial on MK-7 due to the lack of funding. The rest of recommended supplements we use biomarkers to determine. If you haven't come to our masterclass it may help to clear things up for you!

[@bevfitzsimmonds3382]

K2(7) is the natural form...K2(4) is the synthetic form. There is a lot of motivation to "prove" K2(4), as the manufacturers have a vested interest in it...they make it: they want to sell it! K2(7) is the form available in Australia, but l have yet to find a doctor whose training included a mention of it!! Mine have never heard of it! SO SAD. But their is plenty of well-researched documentation out there. I take K2(7). 👍💪🦴

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@bevfitzsimmonds3382 Hmmm. That's not my understanding. MK-4 does exist in nature and is available in animal products but in smaller quantities. There are synthetic isoforms but I don't think MK-4 is one of them.

[@bevfitzsimmonds3382]

@@Dr_DougLucas okay, thanks...l will do some more reading. Maybe l misread the information. 👍

[@elizabethtchaicha4431]

😮

[@gayleboudreau9355]

Please feel me this is still beneficial is I'm on Omeprazole!! My Dr. claims I must take Omeprazole because of my hx w/ Barrets. Looking desperately for a supplemental option to Fosamax. Thank you!!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this, unfortunately I cannot provide specific recommendations through this platform. Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@lynnsalberg5647]

Is calcium potassium phosphate citrate good for osteoporosis?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

That's a lot of things. Take a look at our calcium videos for more on that topic.

[@cherylbrooking5229]

thank you so very much

[@Dr_DougLucas]

You are very welcome

[@indianmonsoon1]

Is Strontium citrate available in some supplements safe/recommeded to help with Osteoporosis and increase Bone mineral density?

[@jamesm8360]

Would like to know also, thanks

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I've got a video on strontium speficially. You should check that one out BUT in short, it should be. There isn't great human data on the natural form of strontium.

[@6198mark]

Hi Dr. Lucas, This supplement contains astragalus root. What is the benefit/purpose of that?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

It improves absorption and bioavailability

[@brendajackson3921]

Link to masterclass doesn’t work

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! Sorry about that, this one should work --> www.optimalhumanhealth.com/build-bone

[@Kayecallahan]

Is fossimax a good calcium supplument

[@Dr_DougLucas]

If you are referring to the pharmaceutical Fosamax it’s a bisphosphonate drug, not a calcium. I’m not aware of a Fosamax version with calcium in it but there may be. If it did exist it’s likely too much and in a cheap form.

[@valerielasalla1022]

Do you recommend taking a strontium supplement?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

This differs per person. Checkout our masterclass or healthspan nation if you have not. We are able answer more specific questions like this through those platforms. Links for both of those are in the video description :)

[@bonnie7041]

Thank you

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@robinmarcus2407]

Thank you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for watching!

[@debrajames2764]

My blood level for vitamin D are good. I also cannot take calcium per my kidney Dr. (I form kidney stones). Would this supplement be ok?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this, unfortunately I cannot provide specific recommendations through this platform, I would need to know a little bit more about you as well. Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@barbarahyde8717]

As always a very helpful and informative video. Thank you so much. Could I please ask you if the Panax notoginseng and Astragalus membranaceous which contain astragaloside I, II, IV and ginsenoside Rb1.if in this product are compatible with Apixapan (anti coagulant). I know I can take all the other products in this supplement but am unsure of the two herbs above. Thanks so much Dr Lucas.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I'm not aware of any contraindications but you would have to ask your prescribing doctor.

[@drkotulski]

What do you think if ADK evail?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@MarcKleiman]

what about magnesium and boron?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Both valuable, yes.

[@beatrices3543]

The supplement information says not intended for long term use. What is your recommendation and what should be measured other than d to determine when to stop

[@Dr_DougLucas]

For our patients we measure 25-OH D3 and serum calcium through CMP. They say that because it is pushing the limits of supplementing without testing. Their original product had 10,000iu vit D!

[@motheofbean]

❤your content❣️ BTW: The Master Class Heading is Misspelled as Calss instead of Class. Thought you might want to know 🙏🏻

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for that!

[@motheofbean]

@@Dr_DougLucas At some point I probably should sign up for the Master Class. Where is your practice located? I live in NY.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

We are located in NC, however, everything is virtual! We would love to see you in a Master Class.@@motheofbean

[@cathleenross5637]

Should have mentioned that k1 has to do with clotting, k2 has to do with getting calcium into bone rather than arteries, and k2 doesn't involve clotting.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thanks for that. We have an entire video on the differences between the two. I try to keep these short and sweet and struggle on the short part!

[@NYNC88]

What do you consider a "high dose" of alpha tocopheryl? My opthalmologist advised me to take a supplement called Preservision AREDS2. Each softgel contains 90 mg (600% of DV) of dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate, and the dosage is 2 soft gels per day. My multivitamin contains 22.5 mg (150%) of dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate.

[@wocket42]

Based on research, supplements with daily dose over 15mg alpha tocopheryl is probably "too high". Not sure about the "acetate", maybe that adds weight.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

The literature supports 400mg as the threshold for “high”.

[@NYNC88]

@@Dr_DougLucas Thank you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for your support.@@NYNC88

[@aracelyrodriguez8314]

Should I be taking vitamin D and also D3 ?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I can't give advice but D2 and D3 are both available commercially as OTC supplements. We recommend D3 to our patients.

[@JanSpoelman3]

I've been diagnosed with osteoporosis (- 2.1) after being on hormone blockers following breast cancer. I'm age 71 and otherwise in good health but for a heart calcification score of .46, risk 12% (whatever that means!) I'm being referred to a cardiologist and would like to attend that appointment with some knowledge. Any thoughts / help would be appreciated - THANK YOU!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi there. Technically, your T-score would be in the osteopenia range. This is common after estrogen blocking therapy. Your calcium score is indicative of long standing disease in your coronary arteries. The implications of this on bone health improvement are multifaceted and depend on the treatment decision being made. Sorry I can’t be more clear. These are challenging topics!

[@mariamakmal6540]

What's about Having biosphosponate in 27 years old ? :( m nursing mom as well

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing this, unfortunately I cannot provide specific recommendations through this platform, I would need to know a little bit more about you as well. Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@alycephoto2024]

I already take a supplement with all of the same vitamins as this one with one exception: the K is mk4 not mk7 1000 mcg. Should I add an addition separate supplement of mk7 or would that be too much?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi, Depends on your unique situation. We don't supplement MK-4 due to the short half life.

[@Slim953]

Question about "The master class". How do you know what time if you don't reside in that country?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! It is EST, it would be easiest to search online what time that would be in your area :)

[@michelelindseth8250]

I have osteoporosis and take 2000 iu vit.D3 & K2 @ 100 mcg. Should i be taking a different dose of either?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

It varies per person, unfortunately I cannot give specific recommendations through this platform. If you are interested in speaking with a specialist you may schedule a discovery call at this link ---> www.optimalbonehealth.com/membership

[@susanchun2573]

Hi Dr. Lucas, I am new to your channel. Thanks for the information on Osteoporosis. I am currently taking the Vitamin Code Raw Calcium ( Garden of Life) whole food plant formula with Calcium, magnesium, vit.d3& k2 mk-7. I was hearing that the other calciums were manly made out of rocks. This Calcium is naturally occuring from Algae. 1.100 mg. I also get it from my foods. So I try and balance the amount between the Raw Calcium and what I am getting through my foods. What is your take on this form? Thank you.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I don’t like plant forms of calcium because of contaminants that are not routinely screened for from algae sources. Some calcium forms like oxides are essentially rocks but others are made from bones and are my preference. MCHC, OHC are two forms that we use. I have a few videos on them.

[@time2heal]

If I use Retin-A am I getting any coverage as far as my Vit A needs?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@ellencrabb799]

Went to supplement link don’t see anything with calcium?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Correct this product does not have calcium! We find that most of our patients are actually consuming a calcium through diet when we track. If they are not, we have a different product that we recommend that has some calcium in it but they would also take this product in addition.

[@debmear3860]

Please share discount for this vitamin and where to get if from. Thanks

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hello, please check the description below the video. You may have to click on the More tab to see the rest of the description and the link.

[@theresablanton6784]

I just startrd boniva yesterday. Is 6% hip risk something I can treat naturally?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi there. 6% is high but we need more information to make a decision on drugs or not.

[@theresablanton6784]

@OptimalBoneHealthwithDrDoug I am thin with small bones along with malnutrition from celiac. Also am postmenopausal. Have never taken estrogen per my mom's oncologist request. She had cancer due to negative receptors. Thankyou for you're response.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@theresablanton6784 Hi there. I can't give detailed recommendations on this platform but if you haven't listened to our masterclass or gone through our bone foundations course you could learn a lot about of approach there!

[@Savannah-ed4rv]

Is Alpha tocopherol the same as D - alpha-tocopherol? Also have you ever investigated a supplement called MBP Bone Renew? Interested to hear your opinion on that.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes it is. MBP does have some evidence to support it over placebo in a small but otherwise well designed study. I'm going to flag this as something to continue to look into.

[@shar7508]

Dr. Brad Stanfield (KZbin), a Primary Care MD, sites studies on how Vit. E supplements are harmful. So confusing! Thoughts? Thanks!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, alpha tocopherol is inflammatory in 50% of the population in over 400mg doses. This product uses all 8 subtypes tocopherols and tocotrienols to mitigate that risk.

[@shar7508]

@@Dr_DougLucas oh that’s great! Thank you!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for the support.@@shar7508

[@debbiesc.5957]

Ok i ordered this supplement now most calcium has D in it. What calcium should i take?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi! Checkout the video on my channel called "Do Calcium and Vitamin D REALLY reduce fracture risk in Osteoporosis??"

[@sjordan7085]

What is your suggestion for folk like me who must limit K2 due to Warfarin use, please?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I would ask your doctor if you can change to a different medication so you can take the supplements you’d like to.

[@Ermaharris-ul8yz]

What foods contain Mk7

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Fermented dairy and other fermented foods primarily.

[@Amy-tl2xe]

What do you consider ideal vitamin D blood levels?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Currently 70 - 90 ng/mL but I’m considering updating this soon.

[@sharonstone9687]

My labs came in at 36, so my dr thinks that's perfect. The listed range says 25-50 is normal and over 50 is possibly harmful...? I'm confused! Maybe I should supplement higher than my current 1000mg? @@Dr_DougLucas

[@mirisegal]

Hello there and thank you so much for creating this knowledge hub regarding osteoporosis. A question: is there a problem taking mk7 and vitamin D3 together in terms of the optimality of their absorption? do they need to be taken with oil?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you. Great questions. I’ve heard the theory that K2 and D3 shouldn’t be taken together but I look at natural foods and the nutrients that are often paired together. K2 and D3 are not seen in significant amounts in food but where they do show up they show up together. So, I don’t mind taking them together. They do need to be taken with a fat source but not necessarily oil.

[@lebooshdiaries]

Thumbs up on this video, I really enjoyed the explanation of esp K2. I eat natto and the way to make it more palatable is to mix it with Japanese rice or any rice that is short and round. Mix natto into rice well and then cut up salted seaweed and sprinkle on top of the rice natto mix. It's delicious. I would like to ask - why is vitamin K2 MK7 pill more expensive on its own vs when it's combined in a D3+K2 MK7 combo pill? I noticed this in most brands and it's always the standalone K2 that is more expensive. I take D3+K2 (125mg) and the price is reasonable but when I see another K2 (125mg) pill without the D3, the price is double or triple of the combo that I eat. Hope you could give some insight on this. Thank you so much.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Probably marketing and supply/demand. Vit K supplements are newer to the market. Vitamin D supplements are a dime a dozen.

[@lebooshdiaries]

@@Dr_DougLucas Thank you! Would you recommended taking D3 and K2 separately in 2 pills each or D3+K2 combined?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@lebooshdiaries Competition is possible in absorption but the products I recommend come together.

[@candierichard8931]

Will it be okay to take 3mg boron in case not getting enough it diet. can you get too much? Also what form of magnesium and how much. i saw a recent video suggesting taking it throughout the day, not all at once. any thoughts on that?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hello, It depends on your unique situation. The upper limits of recommended safe boron consumption are north of 20mg. It's not easy to get there through diet even with 3mg of supplementation. Magnesium forms depend on needs as well.

[@salimaoomer5413]

Trteriparade injection.ises fot bone health uses for n bone health.

[@anaabendroth3460]

Thanks for the info. I just wish I knew more about the vitamin K, cause I have atherosclerosis and stents in one leg. I am scared to death of taking anything that promotes clotting. I am not on blood thinners because they made me so sick I couldn't eat.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for sharing. You could ask your doctors if they think K2 is acceptable?

[@belly4608]

i read somewhere that vitk1 is involved in clotting but not vitk2. Is it true or not? ty

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Correct.

[@abbiec6057]

Thank you so much for this information! I have repeated much of this myself to my patients for a few years now, learned from following Westin a price foundation. Question: When you spoke about avoiding “vitamin K” if on Coumadin, you did not specify whether it should also be k2 that is avoided. Obviously, k1 should be, and I know that it is said that k2 should also be avoided but I’m wondering if this is truly necessary or overly cautious, since k2 does not really function as a clotting factor like k1 does. Just wondering why you did not specify any difference.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi Doc, Thanks for asking. Great question. You are right, K2 shouldn’t increase clotting BUT I wouldn’t risk it with a patient on Coumadin. However, I would recommend they ask their doctor to change medications.

[@debmear3860]

Can you tell what actual calcium without anti nutrients, k2 MK7 and D3

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I’m sorry I don’t understand the question

[@lilymeerkat7391]

Love this. Thank you! If one chooses to supplement a lower dose calcium, what form do you recommend? Also, I hear a lot about the 2:1 calcium/magnesium ratio. Do you think the magnesium is necessary to add in?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I like the hydroxy apatite form. Listed as MCHC or OHC. Magnesium is critical for bone integration and I think probably should be obtained in diet and supplementation in more like a 2:1 ration Magnesium:Calcium or higher.

[@lilymeerkat7391]

@@Dr_DougLucas Thank you for your reply and detail!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for your support.@@lilymeerkat7391

[@lyndamedley543]

Vit. A retinal form.

[@lyndamedley543]

Vit D3k2 Is what I take.

[@shar7508]

I’ve also heard that there are studies stating that it’s safe to take calcium supplements if the MG’s are under a certain amount. I forgot what the amount is though. Do you know? Thanks again!

[@Dr_DougLucas]

It’s going to vary per person and additional nutrient intake like Vit D and K.

[@shar7508]

@@Dr_DougLucas it varies from person to person, but is there a GENERALLY safe amount? Generally speaking. Like 200mgs or something?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@shar7508 We aim for between 600 and 1,000mg through both diet and supplementation for our patients.

[@arminesamvelyan9833]

Dr. Doug, thank you much!!! I am on prolia for years, and didn't think about supplimemt or Getting proper food, just was taking d3 +k2 and calcium 600mg.. But now considering all these supplimemt you recommend, because I am going to stop prolia next year. I am 59 and on prolia 10years , one year after 4th year (2018) stopped prolia but my number went down badly, then restarted 2019 . Now my spine -2.7. So takimg all these supplimemt while on prolia will help??? Or i shoild take after stopping prolia... Thank you 🙏🙏

[@Dr_DougLucas]

When coming off of the drug program, a comprehensive plan has to be in place. For most people, this includes additional medication’s. For us we will generally start with a comprehensive program based on our optimization framework. We also start this process while the patient is still on the drug, and then once in place, come off of the drug and carefully monitor bone quality.

[@arminesamvelyan9833]

@@Dr_DougLucas 🙏, appreciate your reply.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you so much for the support.@@arminesamvelyan9833

[@arminesamvelyan9833]

Dr . Lucas how can I start a comprehensive program with you before stopping , so far my GP doctor doesn't do anything, so I had to get another injection this month( may 2024) and see my specialist in 5 months, so while I see specialist will be another injection time of prolia 😢 I want to start a comprehensive program before stopping ANd I know that I can't stop prolia, need to transfer for other drugs also. Please advise about starting a program before stopping which gona happened in 6 month

[@sandylloyd4634]

Can you take Vitamin K2 (MK7) if you have prothrombin gene mutation?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

I have not seen this studied independently so you would have to ask your medical team.

[@eve167]

What about progesterone? (not progestins, which bind up the receptor sites and do not have the benefits)

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Yes, love them. Don't consider them a supplement but we use progesterone when possible.

[@beatlebomb452]

I am just lost. I recently learned I have osteoporosis and osteopinia in my spine and hips. Lots of pain in my back and one failed back surgery. I'm allergic to so many foods, so I have taken various supplements. My teeth started breaking, so I started the process of dental implants. Then, I needed bone graphs in my lower jaw. 2 months ago, my primary care doctor put me on Fosamax, and my oral surgeon hit the roof!!! I'm hearing horrible things about Fosamax, especially with dental issues, so I decided to stop taking the Fosamax. I had a hysterectomy at a young age. I'm sure that didn't help. Now I'm 65 and very worried. So many questions~ Supplements? (Thanks for this video on that) T-3? Best Hormones? Fosamax or not? ~My brother's entire spine collapsed. I don't want mine to do that. Who in the world do I even see about all this? We live in a rural area. It shouldn't be this difficult. I'm simply at a loss and trying desperately to learn. I do appreciate your videos. Donna

[@NomosPocus]

U didin't mention Omega-3 Fish Oil supplement. or Omega--3 Krill Oil which when used together with Vitiman D3+ K2 is helpful for osteoporosis.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

It sure is! We will probably cover this in a new video. The Research is not great, but there is enough to recommend it from a Healthspan perspective.

[@yvonnehernandez6233]

Hi Dr. Lucas I being watching your videos and I have my DEXA test back on 6/2022 I am 68 years and my general practitioner Doctor put me on Prolia, and I already have my 2nd injection next one will be by February of 2024 but listening about all this side effects I’m very scared I told my doctor but he told me did it’s very important for me to keep my self on Prolia because my spine it’s the most damage, my reading it’s Spine T- Score L2-L4 is 3.7 and my MBD is 0.756 g/cm2 Hip Left Total T-Score is 1.8 and BMD is 0.893 g/cm2 (For FRAX calculation) FRAX: 10 year fracture risk not given as the patient T score is equal to or less than -2.5 Which I don’t understand much of this he also prescribe me to take Vitamin D3 + K2 2000 units but there’s not such a combine thing with that dose over the counters or it’s one or the other and also give Calcium citrate 600 mg which not to find earthier and Magnesium citrate on those I’m just taking 200 mg, so really I being felling very depressed and sad because I never thought I’m going to have something like this he also recommend me to go to the gym and do some weights which I do but some days overwhelmed with all this and not to mention did I have also diagnose about maybe 18 years ago with Celiac, so please if you can give me some kind of advice I will really appreciated, I also see did you say the best test or number one it’s the ECHOLIGHT REMS, I try to find a place I can do it but I don’t see nothing here in S San Diego, CA

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Hi there. Sounds like you need guidance. Consider our masterclass, self directed or full service programs. Don’t despair, we can help.

[@yvonnehernandez6233]

@@Dr_DougLucas Hi, Dr Lucas thank you for answer your answer I really appreciated, I just have one more question how much it will be your Master Class, if I Sign In, can you please let me know Thank You

[@Dr_DougLucas]

The Master Class is free.@@yvonnehernandez6233

[@suzannejones3862]

Isnt there way too much Vit D in this product you recommend? After supplementing with Vit D, 2000 I.U. For 2 years, the endocrinologist says my Vit D level is way too high and to drop it way down. What could the problem here?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

We are updating this but many of our patients are on 5,000iu daily currently. It will put people around 100ng/mL. That’s currently recommended by the functional medicine groups like A4M but I’m now looking at some new data and will likely back off of this number. I think we need more data but cutting back to around 1,000iu will likely be our new range. A similar product is available in Algaecal Vitamin D complete.

[@karenjohnston9201]

What happens if one gets too much vitamin d?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

The biggest concern is hypercalcemia or too much calcium in the blood.

[@ethimself5064]

Note: K1 has the blood clotting affect. K2 does not.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

True! I have a video on vitamin K coming out this week.

[@ethimself5064]

@@Dr_DougLucas Kool 👍

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Thank you for your continued support!@@ethimself5064

[@susanott]

What about the third of the population that is hypersensitive to vitamin K2? Can they get enough from diet? I’ve been reading about people who took K2 supplements and had symptoms of sleeplessness and anxiety. I have that reaction with many supplements on the market, and so haven’t tried K2. I asked my doctor about it, and she hadn’t even heard of the role that K2 plays in bone health (as I suspect many doctors haven’t).

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan

[@andreamacdonald7510]

What level should osteoclacin be ? Mine is 14

[@Dr_DougLucas]

We don't measure it. I'm not sure it's a valuable biomarker to measure.

[@cherylperkins7538]

Ok, i agree to a point. I have osteoporosis and its ALL through my family. I had colon cancer surgery this past August. I would not be able to have a bowel movement if I ate meat and cheese. NOW THAT I AVOID MEAT AND CHEESE I GO TO THE BATHROOM EVERY DAY. THESE THINGS STAY IN THE GUT AREA. Why does America take more Exlax and stool softeners than any other country in the world??

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Everyones system is different. Thank you for sharing this

[@deetin3658]

what about carrot juice?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Fruits and veggies in whole forms only.

[@kayeszymanski6945]

Thanks for the video! I looked at the supplement and it says vitamin A = retinyl palmitate and mixed carotenoids, why mixed carotenoids? Vitamin E appears to be in tocopherol, acetate and mixed tocopherols; no tocotrienols? Wouldn’t it say tocotrienols? Too vague for me. Vitamin D3 and K2 as MK7 look good.

[@bluewaters3100]

Thanks for posting. I would also wonder about the vitamin E with no tocotrienols. I am taking one already with tocotrienols from Jarrow...not easy to find a good brand. I took a bad fall backwards ten days ago and broke my wrist. I am 71 and if I had not already been on this aproximate protocol for a few years I would have required surgery.

[@Dr_DougLucas]

Agree. I'd like to see tocotrienols in there as well. I actually take a second vitamin E from Life Extension called Gamma E for more of it. The mixed carotenoids are designed to provide a variety of plant based vitamin A. Not my preference either since I don't think they provide any value over retinol.

[@candierichard8931]

@@Dr_DougLucas So what would be a better choice for Vit A and Vit E if you don't like what the recommended supplement has?

[@Dr_DougLucas]

@@candierichard8931 There are a few options but it depends on what your needs are!