Collecting Unlimited Coins in SM64

[@SemiHypercube]

"Nope, doesn't work that way" truly one of the best and yet most disappointing twists of all time

[@1un4cy]

Guessing each star has an ID and you cannot collect the same ID twice?

[@arcanine_enjoyer]

​@@1un4cy in a sense, that is what every collectible in each sensibly programmed game works. It prevents the usage of duplication glitches as a feasible way to cheese or skip parts of a game.

[@kerutoto]

"something something disappointment immeasurable and ruined day"

[@AexisRai]

# disappointing observations

[@4Legacy]

It got me

[@briandiomede7354]

To be clear, collecting a star sets that star’s collection flag from false to true. Setting it true multiple times won’t increase the counter multiple times.

[@shadowdsfire]

What if you pick them up at the same exact frame?

[@shadowdsfire]

@@nobody_fear I’m supposing that the purpose of this boolean is only to check if the star has already been collected, and so it determines if the star counter should increment or not upon collection of the star. Maybe if the stars are collected at the same frame, this flag does’t update as it should. I honestly kinda doubt it but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be tested just in case. Like maybe this flag only updates when mario lands on the ground or some small detail like that.

[@briandiomede7354]

@@shadowdsfire I'm not gonna pretend that I know anything about the code in sm64, but I'm pretty sure the counter only counts stars that have their "collected" boolean equal to true. The code doesn't increment the star counter by 1 when an uncollected star is collected as that could lead to increasing the count by more than 1 in scenarios like the one in the short. Imagine every frame the counter looks at the list of stars, counts the number of stars collected, then displays the sum of that. Because of this, collecting the stars on the same frame would probably do nothing.

[@shadowdsfire]

@@briandiomede7354 I also don’t know exactly how mario 64 is coded but I have some basic programming experience and that’s not how this works. There’s no way that upon collection of a star that the game turns the flag to true and then check every single stars status to see if their flag is set to true. What’s happening in this video isn’t supposed to happen, ever. And the star counter is also never supposed to decrease. So all that’s needed when a star is collected is to check if that star has already been collected and then if not, increase the counter by one. Though, it probably checks all 7 stars of a stage when you enter it, and it also checks every single stars when you boot up the game.

[@lemon9bug]

@@shadowdsfire You cannot collect two stars in the same frame.

[@Renteks-]

"Nope, doesn't work that way." Truly a climactic ending.

[@saphricpcgaming5182]

Nope. Chuck Testa.

[@dumpling3309]

😂😂😅

[@tubemash3772]

Starbound penguin pfp starbound penguin pfp

[@diagram_sock]

Starbound penguin ohmygod hiii

[@TiltCntrlz]

Poor Mario, salary capped at 32767 :(

[@Tesl8n]

I see AOC has a seat on the mushroom kingdom congress

[@jameswise9171]

Pretty sure 32767 solid gold (or whatever the consensus is) coins that are a third of my height is still more money than I could spend in a lifetime

[@TiltCntrlz]

@@jameswise9171 Just you wait, Inflation will catch up!

[@jameswise9171]

Pi*10cm*10cm*5cm*21.46g/cm^3*62.89$/g=$2.1 million Assuming I'm taller than 30cm the coin would be at least 2 feet tall, which'd make it 60.96cm which results in $78 million (and that's still at a thickness of 5cm) How exactly one would spend $78 million without looking like a moron is left as an exercise for the reader Best I can do is $40 million directly into FOSS projects like Tor and Linux (The ROI is that the world would be a better place if they had more money to fund development)

[@jameswise9171]

Actually that's $78 million per coin. $78m*32767=$2.4 trillion I don't think inflation will do much to that

[@OceanBagel]

The real 121st star was the friends we made along the way

[@LetsChat]

PIN THIS COMMENT

[@TiltCntrlz]

The real 121st star was the gay bowsers we fought along the way.

[@Quionol]

oh and also 100 purple coins but that's a story for another time

[@Thegoatone23]

Maybe the real “How to unlock Luigi in Mario 64 (Real)” was the friends we made along the way

[@vizspring]

The real 121st star was the enemy paths we mapped along the way

[@Noah-ost]

That number line is a fantastic visual cue to help people understand the nature of overflowing numbers

[@vinesthemonkey]

more generally because k-bit binary numbers form a (finite) cyclic group,including for 2s complement

[@playalot86]

“How did you spend your time when YOU were alive?” “Oh, me? Well, I um… I uh…”

[@jacksonbuller1707]

the second 100 coin star spawning bc of the overflow is the coolest thing I've seen in awhile

[@hiimemily]

Imagine going through the trouble of getting 65636 coins just to have your heart broken like that.

[@SnoFitzroy]

it's 65,536, not 636

[@hiimemily]

@@SnoFitzroy Plus another 100 to try to get the second star. I meant what I said.

[@samchandler2440]

My heart skipped a beat when I saw that second star

[@KreeperKilla551]

WE NEED 3 MORE LIKES OVER HERE TO HIT 120

[@BrandonEscobar-hd2lo]

My heart skipped a beat when I saw that second star

[@theperfecttroller]

@@BrandonEscobar-hd2lothanks for helping the deaf

[@vintage-radio]

​@@BrandonEscobar-hd2lothanks i cant read

[@adriansgaminguniverse4951]

Now try to spawn as many 100 coin stars as you can until the game dies

[@slaviknaumen]

i think the game will die by just playing that long

[@Zurich166]

@@slaviknaumen Nope, doesn't work that way.

[@hoodedman6579]

You’d hit the object limit eventually, but it’d probably crash while duping coins, as I don’t think that any method that can generate infinite coins spawns only one.

[@ikercalderon163]

​@@hoodedman6579the corkbox

[@JadeiteMcSwag]

@@Zurich166 LOL

[@YesPlatinum]

This takes me back to Stryder7xs videos like "What happens if you hit a block in Paper Mario for 416 years?" I miss him, but i hope he's doing well now

[@mikejameson7678]

Bro, what a throwback. I hope the guy's doing okay.

[@DarkStarCoreX]

So glad people still think about that guy, genuinely miss his stuff still.

[@amog8235]

BUT HOW?! HOW CAN YOU DO THAT FOR 416 YEARS?! No one has ever lived that long

[@thisdeko]

this guy does the most interesting Super Mario 64 content ever

[@wacpj1929]

I completely agree

[@sm64guy28]

Your shorts are a thing I didn’t know I needed. Thank you so much!

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

255 coin limit is my favorite video of yours

[@Deses]

Even the Mushroom Kingdom has ramping inflation.

[@rksworld4405]

wait a second does this imply multiple star dance clips or did i just wake up

[@voyagesdelame1]

Technically yes - but all stars in Snowman's Land are already 0x and I'm pretty sure moneybags don't appear anywhere else

[@AlliroG98]

​@@voyagesdelame1 What if another source of infinite coins is discovered?

[@Varooooooom]

@@AlliroG98If I remember correctly, pannenkoek used this infinite coins thing to do a star dance clip in Whomp’s Fortress to ascend the tower. However, that’s way past obsolete by now. Most practical applications of this trick are not very useful in ABC.

[@Marci0]

Heartbreaking the "Nope, doesn't work that way".

[@kirjian]

Imagine a star dance clip *ladder*, works just like a goomba ladder but accessing a different part of the level each go around.

[@Weatherboy1102]

That’s actually a pretty interesting idea. Idk if it could save A presses but definitely worth looking at

[@kirjian]

@@Weatherboy1102 eh. I'm pretty sure they already looked into that. It just hadn't occurred to me lol

[@Splax77]

@@Weatherboy1102 There are no areas with remaining A presses that have access to a source of infinite coins.

[@charmandergamer1287]

I would say let him cook but the replies are right

[@Weatherboy1102]

@@Splax77 ah, true

[@TheRiverPeople]

I absolutely love the fact your making shorts, they're probably the only ones I check for

[@oofiooof]

us: mario cannot be a millionare jp: mario can be both dead but still walking around and be 32768 coins in debt

[@ilikecreeper331]

Getting that second star to increase the star count is how you unlock Luigi

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

I like how build up so much mystery for a second yellow star just to shoot it down with nope 😂

[@Borti_Ovi]

Yeah, Star IDs… Duplicating stars will never work, unfortunately.

[@bmstrr]

How abrupt and anticlimactic the ending was made me laugh.

[@LuigiNico73offical]

“Nope doesn’t work that way” Goodbye to all those videos about The 121st Star in Super Mario 64

[@bluedistortions]

Speedrunners everywhere breathed a heavy sigh of relief knowing they wouldn't have to grind 30 hours of coins to do a single run of the 121 star category

[@otto_ueue]

So basically: The US version has a 3 digit limit, while JP version has a 16-bit integer limit.

[@SuperViperT302]

The US and JP versions both use a signed 16-bit integer for their coin counters, but the US version has a special check in the code to set the coin count to 999 if it exceeds 999. On JP, the programmers mistakenly made exceeding 999 coins set Mario's LIFE count to 999 (which gets interpreted as -25 due to them using different variable types), preventing the coin count itself from having any cap.

[@alexsmith3832]

This is the only channel where I'll watch shorts.

[@hgpbm9572]

*MORE PANNEN SHORTS !!*

[@shootingblueyes]

Love your videos, especially the commentated ones. Goofy stuff like this is what got me into computer science. I remember when a friend and I were in highschool brainstorming how to recreate the upwarp for the bounty

[@sonerkamer2678]

As someone who just started learning to program, that coin count going into negative to then going positive toward the 100 coin count just itched a certain part of my brain.

[@MagorTuga]

I suppose the reason why you can't get the same Star twice is because each one has an individual ID. So, when you collect it, it doesn't just increment the total Star number, but instead it sets that specific Star's state to "obtained", and then the game recalculates the number of Stars obtained.

[@fluffalpenguin]

It's pretty much exactly that, yeah

[@thebeluvdtrex]

From the perspective of a modern-day game dev Its nice to know even the pros didn't even bother to cover every edge-case scenario.

[@ZonaGeeWon]

I love these shorts so informative and fun, super well made too, love the graphics added

[@Tlaloc1]

A small part of me was hoping that the star count would go up to 121, but I knew it wouldn't be the case :P

[@slimeeva9269]

can you overflow the star count this way too?

[@zboredskilled]

I dont think so because the extra star dint count up

[@dyhall]

I believe every star is unique, and the game has a list that tracks if you’ve gotten each one or not? So if you collect the same star more than once, it still only counts as collecting the one star in the list.

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

​​@@dyhall Yep, stars are not a simple counter, but a collection of flags.

[@bl0cky64]

Each course contains a maximum of 7 stars, including the secret courses, each star has its own ID, id 0 would be star 1 and and 6 would be star 7(100 coin star) going above 6 would result in an invalid star id meaning the star won't count at all regardless of being collected or not, the game checks the star id from the star you collected and marks it as "collected" which is why the 2nd 100 coin star didn't count, he had collected the star with the same id as the 2nd coin star Now, having this in mind, considering castle courtyard, inside, and grounds all share the same course (COURSE_NONE) if we get every star we can get from every course we would end up with 182,hopefully that makes sense

[@fisch37]

I wonder: Could this be used in some way to employ the Star Dance Clip twice? It requires a ludicrous number of coins, but if you were able to get that in a challenge run (not necessarily ABC) that could be interesting.

[@enochliu8316]

That was a plan for the To the Top of the Fortress star.

[@bland9876]

I've been playing this game via the Homebrew on my 3DS and I think I like the widescreen of it better than playing with the super cropped screen on the Switch version.

[@l9m241]

I remembered when this strat was used to originally save an a press in womps fortress.

[@jyoung2574]

Blud knows more about Sm64 than I know myself 💀

[@G.L.999]

You have some serious dedication to have accomplished this!

[@bananabunch55]

Let's goooooo! New Pannen content!!! I'm so happy I could have a Scuttlebug Jamboree!

[@Sypaka]

In my theory, collected stars are a bitfield. if you collect a star, that respectable bit is set to 1. collecting a single star twice, won't do anything, as that bit is already 1. Well, setting the leftover 0 of a bitfield outside the game boundary may give you up to 128.

[@clone7825]

No it just sets a certain star to true

[@joec.1766]

That 16-bit signed integer.

[@Fabstron]

Dude had the chance to end this video on the biggest cliffhanger ever but decided not to. GOAT

[@tdm3bros]

Bro has been playing Mario 64 for 2 days straight 😭😭

[@Douknodefox]

Aight I'm switching to the Japanese version. (No I'm not)

[@WiqedWhiteGorilla]

The real question is. With a type of man who would uneventfuly continue this for 32 hours... how much further into the abyss did he go before he stopped?

[@ROOPBLARG]

I noticed a link to the past also goes above 999 in the Japanese version. Makes buying things a lot easier in the game when you're cap is in the thousands

[@DrMario-]

OK, I did not know you could make it go THAT high. That's pretty sick. Now an interesting question. How much time would it take for you to crash the game by spawning too many stars?

[@badcholesterol]

about as long as it takes to make half an A press

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

I don't know, but you can crash it somewhat soon by spawning too many Moneybags.

[@willdill4987]

I've NEVER heard of "moneybags" until this video

[@engine_man]

I like this kind of technical breakdown from a gamer who knows how to code too. Some of these hacks act like there’s like some magic left by the devs when it’s clearly just negligence in a lot of cases

[@ultralightjay7793]

did you write a script for Mario to collect coins/avoid damage or did you actually spend over 30 hours collecting coins

[@mothbazooka]

THIS

[@grfrjiglstan]

I'm actually kinda glad it didn't work, because that speedrun category would be a nightmare.

[@matthewpennington7931]

And then after that Mario becomes a black hole and starts sucking up all of the coins and stars in just about everything else until eventually your television implodes.

[@MadCrafter360]

“nope, doesnt work that way” my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[@notoriousdoggydogmacplaya5365]

I wish there was a way to duplicate money bags in real life

[@NaudVanDalen]

"Nope, doesn't work that way." My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

[@Keeweecomics]

Farming for 16h+... you got a lotta hell of time Sir

[@mr.voidout4739]

Daisy to Peach: "So, when do you think Mario's gonna pop the big [?] ?" Peach: "That pipe-bender went bankrupt, he's thousands of coins in debt.."

[@MeatPlanet]

Mufasa: "brother! Help me" Scar: "doesn't work that way" Simba: NNNO-

[@StickFiguresMaster]

the beta bowser star wasn't even a star adding itself to the star counter as well The Gigaleaks beta source code files dug through by people like Skelux although did however find out that one of the beta levels would've had a star to collect if it was included area/level in game But it in theory was, it was just in an earlier beta apart from the 50% complete beta It was pretty much used as a test map at the time, it was either in the castle grounds start up location or it was somewhere else It was only seen as content that would've been included in the level at its beta development state, but you know what happens to beta content, sometimes all kinds of companies throw away unique things, before asking if we'd like that 121st star XD

[@JerW]

the true star cloning

[@blacksheep7576]

The delivery on the last line was perfect

[@ThomasFinas]

Every 30 yo Mario 64 cartridge : I wonder when they're gonna play with me next His cartridge : just let me DIE 😭

[@metalslug97]

Second star that popped up: wtf is this

[@pickyyeeter]

This video reminds me of my computer architecture class at university and how glad I am that I don't have to deal with binary overflow on a daily basis

[@JonnyFlash80]

Him: After 3 minutes... Me: Neat. That's a quick way to get the coin star. Him: After 31 minutes... Me: Wow this takes some time Him: After 16 hours... Me: Wut?! Him: After 32 hours... Me: You gotta be kidding me!

[@computermariobross]

If there existed a 2nd 100-coin star, that'd rise the star limit from 120 to 135

[@HeisenbergFam]

Cant wait to see Spiffing Brit make "SM64 is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits"

[@InsatiableMonkey]

No one beats your SM64 content, man.

[@SD120TOMB]

The 121st star is actually the final Bowser fight in the Sky. It’s the ONLY STAR not shown in the ending or in the game.

[@a1marine105]

This game was the most incomplete complete game and I'm all here for it

[@DaveChurchill]

Does it increase the star count twice if you don't have 120 stars?

[@MariaNicolae]

No. Collecting a star doesn't directly increment the counter. Instead, it updates an internal "is this star collected?" flag, which is then used to update the counter by adding up all the collected stars. Collecting the second star does nothing, since the flag was already set.

[@repprH]

If you save the coin counter (by grabbing a star and exiting a level) when you have a technically negative coin number, what would your best coin count be at in the menu?

[@Splax77]

The best coin score logic is as follows: If the coin count is greater than the saved coin score, save the lower byte as the new coin score. A negative coin count will never save a new score, but a positive coin count above 256 can overwrite the saved score with a lower number because only the lower byte is saved.

[@ryanb8302]

Thats where his profile pic comes from

[@LovroPlaninšek]

​@@Splax77 but would it really do that? I'm not going to pretend like I know more than I do, but the exact operations that check if the in-level coin count is larger - does the operation check for negative values? it wouldn't have to since negative coins obviously aren't intended in normal play maybe I'm completely wrong tho, I'll rewatch the old full length video explaining it

[@Splax77]

@@LovroPlaninšek Coin count is a signed short with range -32768 to 32767, coin score is an unsigned byte with range 0 to 255. The best coin score logic doesn't care about intended values, a negative coin count will never be greater than a positive coin score so it won't be saved.

[@SuperJman1111]

You can actually get negative lives legit by simply collecting all the coins in bowser in the dark world. It’s even in the official 30th encyclopedia.

[@megamix5403]

Honestly, this could pass off as one of those outlandish Playground rumors that could "unlock" Luigi.

[@velvetrosang4684]

If I remember correctly, 32,767 is the limit of what 64bits systems can calculate in a single thread of code, which is why it went into the negative.

[@ChaoticGoodMarine]

Me climbing a tree just to flip off of it and do handstands for 16 hours. My cousin, did you go in the castle? Excuse me?!

[@nihilism_blues]

Love your content and it always brings me back to childhood

[@rizazablan8001]

This is how 121st star was impossible

[@MarMaxGaming]

Lol amazing stuff, you’re a wild man… collecting coins for 32+ hours and then breaking it all down for us

[@Pimaster31415]

Love the shorts! Keep it up!

[@supercoolbuddiesclub2408]

if the video cut off before you answered your own question, i was going to start a riot

[@katelundberg2029]

Honestly I have no idea how useful this could be for things like a button challenges but I just know somehow that one day people will develop a strat that both requires two 100 coin stars for things like star dance clips and can actually achieve both

[@PandorasCrate0]

I feel like a gameshark would have saved a lot of precious life time.

[@AWISECROW]

I love these.

[@BetrayedTangerine]

Well obviously you have to go to the star statue behind the castle for it to read 121, as well as allowing you to play as Luigi

[@figboot]

you're the only one whose shorts I'll like :)

[@klaggamer755]

Bro's gonna buy Luigi as a playable character 💀💀💀

[@rotip309]

props to this guy for collecting coins for 32 hours :o

[@Felix-Felix]

I can feel his smug in this video

[@laper9308]

Who knew Mario could go into debt by collecting coins

[@ragingnixon3235]

Dude really put in a fulltime work week to show us a glitch

[@Tommy-gc7us]

I feel that this could be a real strategy to lower the a press count on some of the levels with about a week straight of cloning

[@andrewwang7699]

cloning eats at the entity limit (too many entities on screen=crash). cloned coins/enemies/etc are put on it and never get off. thus, you cannot get ~60000 coins by cloning. the only levels that have infinite coin glitches are already 0x

[@Gabonation]

what would happen if you died on negative lives, would you get a game over or would you continue until you reach 0

[@matty4351]

it would just go further negative

[@flowrling]

what matty said, would just keep going negative, then wrap around, then when you reach 0, you game over BUT if you try to gain or lose lives while you still have >999 coins, nothing happens (cause the "bug in the code" is still setting lives to -25) (this also means that talking to yoshi in this state softlocks the game)

[@Gabonation]

yeah i've gathered that from the first reply but thanks either way

[@kssm]

Cant you use this for multiple star dance clips in abc

[@skeletonking27]

Well... now we have a speedrun. -100 coin star%

[@lane_m]

Though I suppose that means we can get multiple star dance clips...

[@KaNelKi]

What happens if Mario dies with negative lives ?

[@thepanthion]

I assume game over

[@SS77S7]

When you die with M25 (negative 25) lives, you will have M26 lives (because -25 -1 = -26). That continues until M128, after dying once again you will have 100 (normal) lives. So negative lives are just a ton of normal lives.

[@PlushieMaster]

The only time you can game over is if you die with 0 lives