Collecting Addicts Episode 55: Red Bull PR Machine, Tesla Model Y, 2024 Motoring Events & More!

[@charleswhitfield8915]

I spent a lot of time in China 20 years ago when there was open conversations that China could never catch up with western car makers on ICE so they would focus on electric and push that as their access to the export market. They also planned that if they owned all the battery value chain like lithium and graphite processing - European manufacturers would always be beholden to them if they tried to go electric. Bottom line, this capture of the car market was mapped out decades ago and without the EU reversing its “emissions’ regulations - the battle has been won already.

[@fraserwright9482]

I have also worked in China for VAG, much like the Chinese housing market collapse being self inflicted by uncontrolled expansion. The car market in china is the same, the actual Chinese EV production numbers are not higher over the past 5 years, no one in China is buying them either, 7% last time I looked. They are exporting them as there is no demand locally either. Yes the EU have over stepped their target and strangled their own market, but China has no response if the UK/Europeans say it has to be built locally as there is no way that China can deal with outside competitors without state manipulation. You can see it with many other areas within China of the proverbial 3 men digging a ditch and 2 men are filling it in, so 5 men are working! If you think this is the start of something big why not buy Polestar shares at the moment?

[@petermurray3198]

Manis is my spirit animal! He is just a font F1 knowledge and such a cool man!! Love him and all of u guys!!

[@PaulSchofield-p6b]

I agree with Chris, the W124 Mercedes is the best looking Mercedes ever. I had the 300E and loved every minute of it and the 100k miles we did together. It was my forever car and put into storage, where my father in-law had a fire in his workshop and burnt it to the ground. One day I will find another and yes the 500E would be a dream. I must start looking ! .

[@tomneil6830]

Don’t worry about time. We’re with you all the way

[@sagalout]

I listened to this on headphones whilst cleaning my Model Y after a 1000 mile Scotland road trip 😂. They’re actually really good cars to drive. I see Richard Porter from EVO has just leased one and in the same magazine there’s an article about Jez Coates who also runs one. We’re still petrol heads - not just people who want to get from A to B 😅…..in fact my other vehicles are a V8 Mustang and 3 bikes including one for the track, but sometimes electric is perfect. Wafting silently around those peaceful Scottish roads with 400hp and loads of torque is a great driving experience, just a different one from bouncing a V8 sound attack around the mountains!

[@alfaromeo1969]

Top shelf chat....good on ya fella's...from Perth,Western Australia...

[@benzinapaul7416]

Love how Neil references Robert Denton, he's a legend, lovely bloke.

[@clos2132]

This is the greatest podcast in the world. What tremendous topics!

[@pauletherington8229]

2 car garage: You have finally reached the dizzy heights of Formula 1, 1 of your cars must be from the team's engine/chassis supplier's current range (you choose the team), your 2nd car can be anything you like as long as there's some link to the team, budget is unlimited. Have at it!

[@29speedman]

Events for this year that you need to get to. Super Touring Power at Brands Hatch. 90s BTCC races and displays. Was brilliant last year, hopefully better next year.

[@timburton1080]

At risk of getting lynched, I'm pro my model 3. It suits my use case for it, warm each morning and unlike my last c63 that spent 97% of it's time changing gear. Modern turbo auto awd cars just don't float my boat as they've been ruined by emissions. Weekend drives are for my GT4, Caterham or M3. However for many EV just don't work, but less than most claim.

[@sagalout]

Same - I love my Model Y. Most people that actually drive them think the same. Richard Porter from EVO has just bought one and he was surprised by how well they drive. As a daily, and if you can charge at home, they are unbeatable, but still love my Mustang and bikes for the weekend 👍

[@eastbaystreet1242]

I haven't driven the Teslas, but I bet the are amazing to drive. I got to drive an early proto from another company a few years ago for a week, and the EV aspects were super cool. One of the things we hear a lot now (aside from access to charging points) is that these cars will face very large battery replacement expenses and that they will have almost no resale value. I am not arguing those points, just saying it is something "we hear/read". Are these legit concerns?

[@giovannifacci]

I suggest Neil and Chris to come in Italy and do the Stella Alpina Historic Rally. They have a non-competitive class as well. This year is in September to avoid the massive traffic you have in the mountain passes during summer. It takes place around the Dolomites. The entry fee it's relatively affordable compared to other events (around 1500 euros). They just opened bookings. It's a very laid back race as there is time to eat in the various locations around the course. The places are amazing and most of the time you get access to the pedestrian areas in these small mountain villages. It's beautiful.

[@eastbaystreet1242]

Hi Giovanni - thanks for this interesting comment. What vehicle are they driving? Is the event providing cars? Driving through Italy is wonderful - try doing it with an F1 World Champion as I did (we were guests of Ferrari). I encourage everyone to visit Italy - so beautiful and such a rich culture.

[@giovannifacci]

@@eastbaystreet1242 Hello! Look for Stella Alpina Storica 2024 on google. It’s the 39 edition this year. The categories are: Legend for cars built up to 1955 Celebration up to 1974. There is anything from 1920 Bugattis to 1939 Fiat Balilla , plenty of Porsche 356 for the official Porsche Classics. This year if from 6 to 8 September

[@markscenic8331]

I get what Chris is saying about the latest F1 cars being mighty now and rose tinted spectacles but 20 years ago the cars moved around more in the corner due to less downforce which if comparing I think was more exciting and a greater spectacle. Thinking maggots/becketts.

[@drewwrobel564]

Go even further back, before F1 had wings, then the drivers were real racers. Your balls were the only thing regulating corner speed, not levels of downforce. Wingless F1 for the future.

[@mattosborne2706]

Channeling my inner Chris Cooper this week. I love cheese. And I love my D3S Touring. Happy days!

[@bourker]

I’ve listened to every single collecting addicts podcast, but never actually watched their heads on KZbin. Everyone knows what Mr Harris looks like; and I’m pleased to say everyone else looks pretty much like they sound (although querying Mr Clifford’s headgear). In terms of the battle of the popular vehicles being won by electricity mobiles, I think they should just be in a separate category called “devices”. That sorts everything out so we can focus on cars separately.

[@dflack]

Thanks Manish; my fave F1 driver is Gerhard Berger so it’s good to hear he breaks the ‘don’t meet your heroes’ rule.

[@nikoweindel1198]

1:09:21 Excellent choice, Mr. Cooper. Coming from a sapphire black metallic 204 hp 6 speed M-Sport E46 330d Touring owner 😅

[@ianjones7486]

Butterfly Collector is an inspired choice. Saw From the Jam last week and they delivered a brilliant version of this

[@wellsyandcars]

Finally the mighty Alpina D3 gets a mention for what it is made for. As an Alpina D3 owner I cover the country with pleasure. Yes it is a proper Alpina. 😂😂😂

[@andrewhurstcars]

What mpg do you average out of it?

[@waters1801]

My favorite podcast full stop!

[@davemuttram1352]

Looking forward to a Birthday treat, great podcasts

[@stevecox5012]

"Yeah...I have read it too..." 🤣🤣 Neil Clifford is such a top bloke. In fact, all the Addicts are top blokes. Such a great mix of personalities. Love this podcast. 👏👏👏

[@andrewhurstcars]

They should mention next week that the Alpina B5/D5 is no longer in production, and who knows if BMW will do another. And the BMW 520d is no longer on sale in the U.K. If you look at what Rivian released with the R2 and R3, some old car companies look like they’ve been half-asleep. Musk uses his private jet nearly as much as most people use a car.

[@justinschultz4325]

The R3 is tops on my list. I'm hoping to have one in a few years.

[@keitharneson3223]

Love listening to you gents. As far as Elon goes, I believe most people do want an appliance. I own a GT3 and a Rivian and both deliver quite exciting experiences. You have to love the machine for what it is.

[@ruleninetyone]

I like a simple ’Forest Arch’ a la mk 2 Escort.

[@adogmcdizzle]

Yes Edward, My Favourite Game is an amazing driving song. Your fellow addicts need to see the video.

[@robstevens6590]

Hey Chris H .... The TT is ace but dont forget the Manx GP and Classic TT in August. Same great racing, a bit slower, great bikes and a more relaxed atmosphere.

[@justinschultz4325]

Listening to you guys talk about Formula 1 makes me glad I got back into Nascar this year. Every race has been great so far. Look up the 3 car photo finish in Atlanta. The last race in Las Vegas had an excellent back and forth at the end.

[@RainMakr]

I have to say, I am on the Nascar binge at the moment, certainly some of the older races. F1, I am sorry, cars sound terrible and just doesn't do it for me

[@sagalout]

Same here. Never watched it before but the Netflix series got me into it just in time for the start of the season. Quite enjoying learning the tactics involved, and the caravans immense!

[@Scottlaw52]

Regarding box arches, Disappointed that there was no mention of the E30 M3! A major oversight!

[@weaksignal8009]

Or the 190 Evo-II

[@dwn2634]

I once owned an Imola Z3M Coupe (S50) Cheese & Breadvan, and can confirm its a fantastic vehicle for shifting the Stinking Bishop 🧀

[@TashaN2204]

2024 event is the second visit to Le Mans for us! Given how spicy the WEC opener was, it’s gonna be even better than last year!

[@DarenCheverton]

Idea for 2 car garage, combining themes discussed before. As a man from a certain age that also collected car brochures, worked out how long it would take to buy a 1980's BMW 323i with pocket money when aged about 11 or 12 and an avid collector of the original Top Trumps. Choose a 2 car garage from Top Trumps, first Super Cars and second Sports Cars, no budget, just the cars you lusted after back in the day and pick a song from the year of manufacture of one of them. More cheese vs. service station please.. Keep up the great work really enjoy the podcasts and leads me down countless avenues of cars I might but probably never will buy.

[@Throttlebycable]

Two car garage: You live in the center of a large metropolitan city. You’ve done very well for yourself and are interested in cars but you have one problem: you have only one parking space. Your loft, however, is many, many square feet and can handle many things. You have 350k GBP to purchase two vehicles. One will be your everything, daily runabout. The other will be drained of its fluids and craned into your living area where it will live as an art installation. What do you choose?

[@mikeormond7883]

Best wheel arches “1992 I walked out the front door when my dad was picking me up in his new car” ..an escort cosworth which I didn’t have a clue what it was being so young … but those arches were right in my face as I opened the door 🥰… then as my vision panned out I saw that rear wing 😮😮😮😮

[@user-sg6xv2kb8s]

A couple of tracks for Chris: Victor Ruiz Bloom & 1998 remix. Both epic.

[@edmontontangobar4991]

Best wheels arches - 1998 Lexus GS box-flares and most 1960s American cars.

[@surajchandarana4314]

Agree with Mr Cooper on the AMG Choice

[@TrojanHamster]

It’s about time someone picked the original Gran Turismo song. Great choice Edward 👍

[@andrewlucas6214]

My arch of choice would be the countach but, original lp400…perfection. Please team, do a segment on Valentino Rossi… starting to have a respectable career in four wheel racing.

[@richardmurphy8010]

Great episode

[@leostreat3573]

Good stuff kym , keep up the good work!

[@claytonthomas8013]

What an episode gents…absolutely fantastic….Litres and Kilometres are fantastic @harrismonkey. Thank you gents for each week knocking it out of the park.

[@Rei_n1]

Protectionism is needed if the other side is competing unfairly. Tasla, in its initial life, was also benefitting greatly financially from governemt money, though, to be fair they have been working tirelessly to offer the product as cheaply as possible. Germans and most other automakers have been moving in the premium segment over the last decade or two, obscured by profit margins, low interest rates, and consumers, which in that environmant were willling to pay more and more for fancy extras and premium branding. Now, the reality is kicking in, and many Europeans are starting to find out that in the new economy, they are not that wealthy anymore, and a large part of the economic/industrial capacity has been outsourced to counties far away for a quick short term profits.

[@NewCastleIndiana]

My family had an olds station wagon with a 455 cubic engine.

[@jackiechan8840]

MPG?

[@NewCastleIndiana]

@@jackiechan8840 not really.😄

[@4444aliraza]

Class episode 👌

[@mattylf1]

Like the idea of a podcast at Beaulieu. You could have an audience as well.

[@petergilbert3201]

Morning all from a sunny Berlin

[@VintageWatchAdvisors]

Everything I know about cheese, I learned from the Monty Python Cheese Shop Sketch ("shut that bloody bazuki up!") and all its cheesy comestibles.

[@Littlegreenlightweight]

My 2024 event is going to be watching top fuel dragster at Santa pod in May. 14000hp rearranging my organs and making me deaf for a week! Never seen them before. Bucket list item ticked off.

[@RonJobbins]

Happy that Neil was willing to voice that Elon isn't about "saving humanity."

[@JamesDare-w9l]

A restomod e500 is my ultimate

[@Rocky-hh3yg]

Harris is spot on. Traditional manufacturers have lost the EV race, they will never be able to match Tesla. This is good news for us petrolheads as Chris correctly says the ICE ban will be overturned

[@indiebekonn]

It has been overturned in the EU already, hasn’t it? Small manufacturers and e-fuel powered cars are exempt from that 2035 ban as far as I remember.

[@griponreality9716]

Elderbrook is the best modern EDM out today.

[@opbk88]

I found the EV chat a little stunted - no mention of the importance of carbon credits (fully one third of Tesla’s profits in the US last year). Edward quite right about sports in Australia on a Saturday 😂

[@horatiul117]

2 car garage: You’re a Formula 1 driver smashing the competion at a rate of half a minute per race on your way to your 4th consecutive driver’s title. The only trouble is you’re doing that for a team that can’t provide you with a company car from their own portofolio because they don’t build roadcars. You’re going to be spending your own money on two cars, one would have to be a fast two seater for having a blast on the road and the other one would have to be a family car capable of towing the motorhome in which you have your SIM racer built in. Both cars need to come from brands that have no connection with any of the rivaling F1 teams. Budget is unlimited, of course.

[@HamiltonJamesCars]

SO excited for this

[@RainMakr]

manish, bang on with the rear arch on the countach S

[@Andy_ATB]

I feel sorry for people who only watch F1; there's loads of great series out there that provide far better action/ entertainment than the Liberty soap opera.

[@davidthegolfer]

I greatly appreciate your weekly episodes. Can’t wait for them. But, dare you discuss the heavy handed attitude of (shall we say) Goodwood towards long standing members. My brother has been a member, for decades, I believe and he regularly attends all events. The FOS now no longer gives tickets to members as part of membership. The member suit doesn’t allow members in unless they pay, a lot. And they have increased the fees. Who gets away by reducing their product offer and increases the prices, without respecting loyal customers. I was saddened to hear my brother had cancelled his membership. As a regular breakfast attendee, I.e. every one. He feels SO let down. I don’t even they said thank you and goodbye. So sad. David, Cheshire

[@Petrospect]

Who wouldn't pick the 300SL gullwing and sacrifice everything else and like rent something when you need practicality I can see where you're going with the S65 cab but that feels more like your final car because you're getting older than your only Mercedes for life 😁 Think Harris is on the money here with the 500E

[@MiniEggs1999]

I have always fancied going to Suzuka one year for the GP do the team have any tips? Thanks

[@CarlWoodland1991]

Topic for discussion for next week - ultimate Frankenstein car. If you could mix and match any body, chassis, engine and gearbox combination what would it be?

[@rikkileejacobs]

Where is the love for Volvos the original estate and fast estate car? 850 T5, 850R, V70R. True estate cars capable of carrying a full fridge freezer. And don’t forget the BTCC…

[@Miggy2j]

Nice one gents

[@myvishan]

Thank you guys for the podcast! Chris, you're getting old!

[@CharlieHorsefield]

Mk2 golf Rallye has to be mentioned for best arches!

[@simoncohen19]

Wheel arch, has to be the R5T2

[@harvinmahal]

@41:02 edward so cute 😂😂

[@SprowstonRipper]

Love you guys every week, just think when f1 is so bad it’s not worth wasting time on when there is other great racing elsewhere like WEC, Indycar, BTCC etc

[@muthukumaranc]

Ferrari kept the right driver. If you look at the race pace (Not to mention the best qualifier on the grid right now), especially last year, it's pretty clear Leclerc was faster. In Bahrain, he was dealing with a 100-degree brake temp imbalance. Every time Carlos beats him, It's probably because of an Issue/strategy/penalty in Leclerc's side of the garage. When he gets a fast car, everyone will get to know how fast he is (remember the 2022 first half?). Don't get me wrong Carlos is a fast driver, but not quite on Leclerc's level. And Ferrari aren't stupid, they have the data.

[@Senna-xi1gr]

The red bull plot thickens. It’s not over, every day I am looking at the colour change of Horners hair. It’s red bull that want him out but it’s getting messy & selling newspapers I suppose.

[@georgeplater3941]

2 car garage: you’re in your mid thirties and looking for 2 cars for your garage. One should be a sporty GT car, one that can whisk you on your annual holiday to the alps - but not fall off a mountain when you show it a bend. The other should be suitable for everything from a run to the shops, to camping with the wider family- it would preferably be 4WD as you’ve now moved out of London and into the country. One of the cars must be from a British brand, and your budget is 80k. HOWEVER, since you’re big into supporting anything British, you can unlock an additional 20k if BOTH cars are British.

[@gregidour7315]

Lovett out Coopered Cooper

[@petermurray3198]

LOL sorry again guys, was the Merc days of dominance different?? 2 drivers but the same result?

[@kylem324]

It was different in some respects. As you pointed out. They had two drivers that could win any given weekend. But more significant to this was that other teams did win races. There were also teams with cars that were as fast, or marginally faster, but couldn’t thread the needle over a season due to reliability, strategy mess ups, dubious engineering, and team errors. Merc had a great streak of reliability, and were comparatively faultless in their strategy and team ops. Ferrari in 2017 and 2019. RedBull in 2021. Each had cars that were as fast, or faster. The distinction was that neither could execute over a season to win the WCC.

[@ThaDutchDK1989]

2014-2020 Mercedes where always 1-2 and NO ONE. Could touch them cause they had the fastest engine with 100hp+ more than everyone . Not much to do with reliability.. and now we have only 1 driver who is a class on its own. In 2014-2020 it’s was Mercedes … and the rest . So people need to stop saying it’s the car , it’s Verstappen . Look at 2023 Verstappen had double the points than Perez ..

[@jackiechan8840]

Fair point. Lewis and Merc car wasn't quite as dominant though.

[@ZenotiXe]

S65 black series is my dream merc, maybe a CLK black or clk GTR?

[@jonwilliams6821]

Wheel arches - Opel Manta 400

[@petermurray3198]

First watch on utube love you guys!! But I think we might have had better cars here!! Aussie

[@gordonsimpson3235]

These single stage rallies are a bit micky mouse chaps....barely get out of second gear! I would love to see the two Chris's share a car at le Mans....the hand overs would be hilarious whilst trying to accommodate both frames!

[@chrisrose7675]

Can’t wait to see how the gang navigate evolving RB saga….more inspired song choices please 😂

[@Twinguin]

An AE86 can deliver Tofu, so it should also be good for Cheese!!

[@daveblack1000]

friday again chaps!!

[@elcasho]

I love how quick Chris Cooper is so quick with puns, sarcasm, banter. He'd be a brilliant dinner guest

[@IndaloMan]

Re "Horndog Files", they will be trivial when the Marko "Young Boys" rumours hit the interweb. Those poor, abused junior drivers just have a bit longer to suffer in silence.... 😢

[@jackiechan8840]

Helmut helmet files eh?

[@AhmedNaas]

Wheel Arches, I always loved the Mk1 AM Vantage from 2005 front wheel arches... Just stunning, almost linear with the bonnet

[@wharris123184]

“A thousand hornets” Or just two Horners. 😂

[@boostav]

22:04 Manish discovers the existence of the crossover in the year 2024...

[@HamiltonJamesCars]

hahahahha the finger 🤣

[@4444aliraza]

You guys jinxed poor Sainz!

[@DidierPeroni]

As an outsider, all you Europeans are incredibly shortsighted. You have given us some of the best of motoring best hits, but you also seem to be the first to be in line to kill it.

[@barneyrubble9309]

F1 News for Mr Cooper: Ollie Bearman will replace Carlos Sainz in Saudi GP !!! What an opportunity for the young lad !!

[@petermurray3198]

Clear glass has no place in Australia you will see

[@michaelallgauer5690]

EVO Wagon all the time

[@BRMCaptChaos]

Which brakes faster? A Red bull f1 car or Christian Horner being fronted up by an employment lawyer?

[@paulhancock]

I am by no means an Elon Musk hater, but I had to smile a little at how Chris Cooper has really bought into the Elon Musk cult of personality; Elon has never started a company himself or invented anything. Tesla was losing thousands per car, but were subsidised by the American government because it was decided we HAD to go to electric and so Tesla HAD to be a success. It was not allowed to fail. He's an American Oligarch. The Mars talk and launching cars into space is all PR frill. Space X make tools of war, and recently signed the biggest ever contract with the American military to transport "equipment" around the world. Their 'Blackjack' satellites are currently being used to target Ukrainian missiles and drones on Russian positions... That is their main business. As I say; I'm not a Musk hater (other than his manipulation of the crypto market), the guy is an incredible success and has become a cultural icon. I also respect that he mostly just speaks his mind, against the narrative, at times creating powerful enemies. Good for him, but we do need to see beyond the PR at times.

[@DeanMackenziebelldmb]

And all those rockets ships are really green, carbon free I think 😂

[@SmashGhost]

"Nobody cares about new vehicles, they just want it to work." This is why Japanese cars took over the low end of the market. It's why Nissan sold so may low-quality cars filled with toys. Normal people want 1. cheap, 2. gadgets, 3. fuel economy, 4. reliability, 5. Warranty. Everything else is immaterial.

[@mrcogginsgarage7062]

I claim my bonus point Cheesy comestibles is from Pythons Cheese shop sketch.

[@andyfim]

Bravo!!!!😅😂

[@Gorbyrev]

What use is a Chinese electric car if it is unrepairable. I have a friend with a DS3 which has been off the road more than on and I know from a friend at Direct Line that they will refuse to offer extended warranties for electric MGs. £30K only looks good value if the vehicle lasts and retains value. Manesh is right, ICE cars will continue to be built for the developing world and they will be available here regardless of what European manufacturers choose, or are forced by legistlation, to do.

[@kevincoombs7348]

CH your local track will be refurbed and ready for you , complete with new fencing and the new Bath / Cotswold stone entrance. Always v friendly, Castle Combe will make you very welcome as usual. And you know where all the bumps are ( Camp Corner).