Collecting Addicts Episode 40: Are SUVs anti-social & is Bentley Cooler than Rolls Royce?

[@TheXeroid]

I'd love to watch a film of the Bentley Boys, Manish. Please get it made.

[@andrewhurstcars]

The late Queen chose Bentley over Rolls. To answer Chris’s question on McDonald’s screens vs counters - they worked out that people order more food ordering on their own at a screen, rather than ordering from a person over the counter thinking they were being ‘judged’ on their quantities of food choices.

[@ScottZ370]

Same reason I imagine they McDonald’s drive thrus push the use of the app so much. Pre order the mountain of food then just say the number on your phone.

[@sevencs186]

Great how you transition from the wastefulness of SUVs to gushing over the majesty of Bentleys. 😂 Love the show.

[@stotheh]

Not many Bentleys around, so can afford to be more wasteful! SUVs are ubiquitous!

[@muthukumaranc]

The best part of my Friday. Please never stop. It's an absolutely terrific podcast. And it's the only Podcast I listen to.

[@chrisdethridge2725]

This is, without question, the best excuse not to do any work, for an hour or so, on a Friday. Harris, Clifford, Pandy, Lovett and Cooper, you are to be applauded and will forever be held in the highest esteem. I have a similar experience most Thursday evenings with mountain biking friends, after approximately 10 miles, at a mutually local pub, where we talk complete and utter bollocks for between 3 and 5 pints. Keep up the good work.

[@timwilks666]

Right, I'm calling it. Forget all this car bollocks, we want a 3-hour podcast just about snacks. All of you had a glint in your eye as you provided eloquent detailed analysis of your choices, and it's the best thing you've done yet. Incidentally, M&S "Fruit Gums" are really Wine Gums but much better, especially if you can find one of their Red & Black Only bags.

[@VonBlade]

41:30 Salt and Vinegar crisps and extra sour sweets? Mr Lovett is a man after my own heart.

[@tonehurst]

This is my favorite podcast by miles. i only ever play these in the car. It is the only place to play them. Keep up the great work and topics guys.

[@jthescruff]

Interesting points made about SUV's and I note that you use their unsuitability in urban environment as the crux of your problems with them, but as someone who lives on the edge of the Lake District, an area where you might argue they are fit for purpose, people seem to forget that the countryside is full of tight, windy b-roads. The last thing you want to meet on a tight b-road with grass up the middle is some clown in a bloody Audi Q7 who is so scared of pulling in to the hedge, in case they scratch it, because they're financed up the wahzoo to a value they can't really afford.

[@stran-air-jordan]

As an American, hearing them describe all of those English snacks was like hearing someone speak a foreign language that you barely understand. But I had a good time searching up images of what they were talking about, it all looks like food from an alternate universe

[@js00065]

Welcome to our universe 👍

[@JimBuffington]

Love these guys they are very detailed in their snack foods and drinks, I do not understand anything they are talking about but it is very entertaining.

[@jameswilsher73]

Great episode. My mates & I still refer to the original Lucozade as the Orange Ambulance. Very helpful in vanquishing a hangover

[@dejanzelko8361]

The best podcast outhere. And the best thing is that they record it in video too

[@Olly-c6t]

Percy pig tails are literally the most sour sweet I’ve ever had. Edward Lovett take notes. Great pod! 👍

[@matthewbourne75]

Chris's book should be on everyone's Christmas lists... It's certainly on mine! I'd also buy everyone else's if they wrote them as i think they would be fascinating and very entertaining (and geeky and niche!)

[@MrAjjm65]

Favourite button - the bronzed start/stop button on an F. type. It not only illuminates bright red but also pulsates like a heartbeat! Class.

[@TomH440i]

This is such a great podcast, one of the highlights of the week! Car geekery at its best 👍

[@Richard_Turner]

The vw sausage is the most common part number used within vw. Good pub quiz question 👍

[@Rlee571]

Another terrific and enjoyable episode. Thanks Gents 👍

[@Miggy2j]

I just put on Mwaki and it's brilliant! I've also ordered a signed copy of Chris's book to be sent down here to Australia, I can't wait.

[@chrisfilmsstuff4666]

Chris Harris - Don't you own a Land Cruiser? That's pretty damn big! Yes you can tow your boat but, so could an estate?

[@smcdetailing7921]

Fun fact re SUV on the school run.... The C8 RS6 avant has the same footprint as a 2023 Range Rover Sport. So the argument about parking and general unnecessary size is flawed.

[@StoilStoychev]

That's my new favorite weekly entertainment! I can pretty imagine you four in a studio, doing the re-invented Top Gear! I think the chemistry is there.

[@jep1912]

Another line-up of fine cobblers to be aired. Friday certainly is the best day of the week.

[@craigrobertson3440]

Favourite button - water spray for intercooler on Subaru STi. The definition of cool!😂

[@gordonsimpson3235]

Car buttons.....The panel you refer to Chris H, is called the Check Control Panel. You were so right, it was the coolest thing. E30 for example, had it in the roof for maximum passenger impressing effect....some models more hidden ( a private fetish) down near your right knee.

[@kevincoombs7348]

Favourite button was the one in my last company car, a Saab, which extinguished all dash light except the speedo unless an emergency occurred. Now I have to go into menu, lights etcetera and keep that open to adjust from city to v country lanes and back again.

[@patrickclambert]

Just drove London to Bristol and this was the PERFECT company in the car. Found myself checking the buttons out and I am with Edward the click of the volume knob (or more importantly the annoyance when a car doesn’t have that) should make the list! Thanks gents this is easily my favourite podcast I have not missed one yet.

[@Phil88664422]

Chris Cooper is on point with the m5 power button

[@matheusazevedo2535]

Two Car Garage: You’re Doc Brown in a reboot of Back to the Future franchise. 2023 is your present and you’re traveling / going back to 1973. Choose your 2023 brand new car for being the “time machine” and a 1973 (or pre-1973) car for Marty McFly to drive around / car chase in Hill Valley. PS: Chris Cooper is the funniest guy alive, even without trying to be. Edward’s smoking laughter is the funniest ever. Neil’s passion for cars is so contagious. Chris Harris, your book is spectacular. Manish, where’s the 456M manual?! Love your music taste. Cheers from a Brazilian fan. Matheus

[@TheVaultIsMine]

Of all the previous episodes, this one was particularly nerdy, love it!

[@4444aliraza]

Topic: discussion around Car Journo clichés - why they do it, how they got there, what would you use as alternatives. The bolt action rifles and fingertips on the tarmac all apply!

[@skygod1067]

I’ve had a Range Rover as one of my cars for the last twenty odd years and absolutely love them. Chris your laptop is capable of a hundred times what you use it for.

[@mikerayner5938]

Chris Cooper. You picked my best road by far. Apart from, we went down to Southend on the tip of that west coast road. Being Essex, I thought we should see the other Southend. 👍

[@StuR32]

"Chris Cooper I have a timer on you. You have 10 minutes and then you have to stop" Chris Cooper: "Hold my beer" 😆😂

[@reflekttors]

VVT book is coming to book stores in Latvia as well. Have reserved one already. Cheers!

[@fentuz]

@collectingcars nothing to do with this 40th podpost… got Chris ‘book yesterday, finished it an hour ago! Superb especially the hommage to his mother! Well done, well written

[@Littlegreenlightweight]

Spot on about SUV's. I've just bought a Hyundai Bayon and it probably fulfills 90% of anybodies needs. It doesn't do fast or offroad/towing very well but for everything else I can't see you need anything more.

[@nigelpullen2727]

My hard copy of VVT arrived yesterday afternoon, intended as a Xmas present to me from my young granddaughters. I fear that I will finish reading it before the elves get chance to wrap it up and put it under the Xmas tree! The words flow easily and have brought back early memories for me.....learning basic steering skills as 5-6 year old sitting on my Father's lap at Finmere airfield near Buckingham, Scalextrix had to wait unto the birth of our son and his 3rd birthday as my late Father was more of a Hornby OO train man but we got to enjoy the Le Mans era with Porsche, Mercedes & Jaguar. Been fortunate to have owned and enjoyed some very nice bikes and cars over the years and glad to say that, at 67, the passion for ICE's does not diminish. The only downside is the number of cars now on our roads in such a small country; the near continent happily provides access to better driving opportunities. Wishing you every success with the book, Chris, both in literary and financial terms.

[@marcinbartosik3554]

Topic idea: You should talk more about books on cars ( Motorsport or cars in general). After today I’m online ordering booked about Bentley. PS. Advertised book just arrived 💪🏻

[@CodyKelly-]

Thanks for the fix boys

[@claytonthomas8013]

The things that #Manish knows about car manufacturers is unbloody believable! I like love this podcast….keep it coming lads!

[@rhysowen9566]

It has become a bit of a bore the discussion against SUV's, they all say "just get the wagon instead!" Totally agree with Neil, clearly the market thinks differently, but it never seems to be accepted within car media as to why. Assuming footprint is roughly the same (but generally wagons are longer than SUV's, eg; Cayenne vs Panamera, so the claim they're harder to park is wrong), day to day life in a metropolitan area with an SUV is easier than a wagon - easier height to load items into the boot, easier to get in and out of, easier to see further down the road due to ride height, generally a more upright seating position and generally a bit of a softer ride. Much higher demand so easier to sell is another positive for SUV's.

[@mattylf1]

I don't think we've ever seen Ed go into so much detail as he did about the Motorway Snacks !!! Agree with the original Lucozade. Sweets I'd have Fruit Pastilles given that I can't get Rowntrees Fruit Gums any more.

[@ScottZ370]

It was like he'd waited his whole life got that question 🤣 was brilliant. Can't help but imagine him squinting from the sour Tangfastics cherry and washing it down promptly with Evian water.

[@richhawksley9416]

Brilliant and beautiful as always.

[@classicraceruk1337]

I have an SUV, in fact I have had 3 of them. They are perfect for me and would never change. I am far from guilty.

[@simons4474]

Good on you. I think Harris is trying to please the bbc audience.

[@professorcalculus5315]

Good effort 😆

[@R03333]

​@@simons4474the BBC audience lives in range rovers

[@R03333]

The only argument I can see is if you need the ground clearance on occasion over a hatchback

[@classicraceruk1337]

@@R03333 Why is that the only argument? For a start I am over 70 with dodgy knees and a bad back. Getting into anything else is horrendous. As for size going on about huge RR’s and Bentleys and complaining about all SUV is obtuse. There are other reasons as a short arse being able to around easily is another blessing. Your short sightedness is clearly obvious even to you.

[@_que]

Favorite button, on not so older BMWs that are just RWD with skid tires button, held for 3 seconds to fully disable TCS and ESC. Just turn and some add throttle for a smile.

[@paulclark4426]

Here's my idea for a two car garage with an Aussie twist to it. You and a mate are heading to the Bathurst 12 hr race weekend from Melbourne; a good couple of days drive through some very nice roads. Even though it is the 12 hr race, so no Ford vs Holden rivalry, you feel some nostalgia therefore decide one Ford and one Holden to be driven up. The cars should have some type of storage because you've spent all your money on tickets and cars, so you'll be camping on the top of Mt Panorama and of course you need room to smuggle in some bravery gravy.. Your budget is $100k AUD for both.

[@986am]

Button - Very unexpected …. but the damping on a Honda Integra Type R DC2 hazard light button … absolutely perfect - try one!

[@bcsmith5]

Fruit polos for a short time, very sticky. Neil upgrade to a Monster, white one, zero sugar. Doesn’t taste of regret like red bull which provides an unwelcome flashback of Jägerbombs. Great podcast as usual, thanks

[@Olly-c6t]

Great pod. Please talk about Lotus. Thanks

[@S18DMW]

Motorway snack defaults. If a caffeine hit is needed then an Aussie Lemindae Monster, if not then Cherry Coke/Dr pepper. And always a bag of Flamin' Hot Monster Munch

[@NewCastleIndiana]

I loved hearing the particularly English and older male perspective on crisps, snacks.

[@TheProco2020]

I think Lando Norris is winning the F1 car game. Video of him in Monaco driving Lamborghini Muira in purple with orange interior. Looks mega

[@erikventa7807]

Love Monkey, that aside has he forgotten about his 4x4 Toyota?

[@Brundlesim]

TWO CAR GARAGE: You are a gentleman driver. Your day job is a CEO of a HGV company who has hit the big time by securing a contract to recover the fortunes of Evri (who we all know is Hermes). With your contract bonus you have moved over £200.000 to spend on any race car in any series for your weekend races. However, you must include a trailer and a daily tractor to pull it to the local tracks within the £200.000.

[@vokstar]

What I will say about SUV's is if you are of a certain age, getting into a normal car car isn't easy. Mum in her early 80's has a jazz, that is very much grandmother spec as she is, but it is not easy for her to drop into one of those, where as to step into a SUV would be easier. But.. SUV's are anti-social because if you choose to have a normal car you can't see the traffic as easily ahead so it makes driving more of a guessing game.

[@ekim4926]

Or you can have an MPV, a bit taller than normal hatch or estate but much less offensive than an SUV

[@JamesAnderson-fv3yo]

All the talk of aviation themed buttons, but no mention of Saab's Night Panel button, shame.

[@williamdrijver4141]

All traditional Rolls Royces and Bentleys from the 1920 and 1930s have SUV dimensions. Height, length and ground clearance. Only they were less wide.

[@daveblackMTB]

Friday again lads. Enjoy! thanks again.

[@tantive4]

If you ever find yourself in Gloucester services, go for the sausage rolls. You'll need to let them cool down because they serve them hotter than the sun, but by gum they've got the meat/pastry ratio right

[@christianwestling2019]

Living in a snowy country with a family; love the SUV.

[@Twinguin]

On the buttons: what about the hazard light button on the 1st gen Twingo - they looked like a big emergency switch mounted on top of the dash. Talking about French cars: They did build some quirky and some real bold cars. What would your two car garage from France be , one being a "practical" daily-driver and one for the fun at the weekends. The quirkier the better. (My choice: Renault Avantime V6 and a Renault Sport Spider).

[@gordonsimpson3235]

Chris H, you need to clean your camera lens....I was scratching at my screen, until I realised that it was only showing on your screen, and not the other team members 🤣

[@nelmur]

This has been said numerous times already but, regarding trucks and SUVs, it is important to note that they are not naturally occurring objects. Arguments like Neil’s that rely on the argument, “You can’t argue with the market” suggest that consumers are just naturally gravitating toward the tastiest berries they can forage. But auto companies are very strategically making the highest margin objects they can, and in the case of the U.S. we now know that as passenger vehicle regulations changed (with the help of lobbying efforts), more of these huge, high margin vehicles were built and marketing to the public as safe, adventure-ready haulers. No wonder they are popular - they play into desires for power, capability, and notions of independence.

[@Simon-du7yx]

Neil had come as the “Brilliant” lad from the Fast Show

[@bcm7779]

The 275 is the car, would love to own one. I think the 612 has shades of it now! Agree with Chris on the power button. Always remember Clarkson showcasing this on TopGear.

[@robiulahmed]

Complaining about the excess of SUVs whilst wearing Rolex dive watches 😂

[@williamgechtman9287]

It may be as bad or worse, I've never seen it calculated, but I find it difficult to believe that wearing a Rolex watch, or even a Patek Philippe, causes as much global warming as a large heavy, SUV, other air pollution, more wear and tear on the roads, greater injury to pedestrians or damage to other vehicles hit, and problems with traffic and parking in urban areas. If you are aware of any data indicating watch wearing, including or exclusive to expensive watches, exacerbates any or all of the above, could you please link to it? Thanks!

[@robiulahmed]

@williamgechtman9287 First of all, look at the f**king cars these people drive, and then get back to me on that one. I'll give you one example - Monkey Harris. Among his quite prolific car collection, he has had, get this, an AMG G-wagen and a Toyota Landcruiser! Congratulations bro, you made yourself look like a dimwit.

[@hotblackdesiato3451]

If BMW's power button was to appear in a Bentley or a Bristol it would be labelled 'reheat' in a nod to Concorde's afterburners. Imagine announcing to your passengers, 'Engaging reheat...now!'

[@lochlainn74]

Lilt and strawberry opal fruits :D lads you have the best podcast on the internet; every time I watch ye I feel like I'm chatting with my mates about cars and random shite. For the 2 car garage you should do a Scandinavian garage; you live in northern Norway and you need one car for the kids and the cats/dogs and something fun for the mountain roads; no budget but no Koenigseggs, only cars made in the Nordics (fyi quite a few Porsches and Mercs and other interesting stuff made in Finland so it's not all Saabs and Volvos).

[@davidr3561]

I always remember Travel Sweets, the ones that came in a gold tin and were packed in icing sugar.

[@GazMoby]

Very enjoyable as always 👍

[@grahamholland7894]

SEGMENT SUGGESTION: What is the coolest bolt-on modification/addition you can make to a performance car? Some answers are very brand-specific, such as Alpina wheels on a powerful BMW, but this is to any and all performance cars. HINT: You can keep your Bilstein shocks and Akrapovic exhausts, the correct answer is a roof box.

[@davidlees2431]

Chris must have fun using his sat nav avoiding all the urban areas in his Land Cruiser.

[@albertperks3476]

Just want to give a mention for Lions Confectionery - best source of Midget Gems; Sports Mixture; Fruit Salad and they also do Wine Gums.

[@jakepocock1616]

I have a potential question for you all. You've recently moved house and have found yourself with extra space outside, and on the fringes of some wonderful driving roads, which is a perfect opportunity for fulfilling your long-standing desire to separate your fun car from your daily. Whilst despite your insatiable desire for a Porsche GT product (other brands are available) you cannot yet afford the premiums such a car commands. The fun car will mainly be used on the glorious roads around you, as well as trips to circuits, both domestic, and continental a couple of times a year. Therefore, with a little left over from the house sale, and the sale of your existing car, you have a total of £50,000 to put towards a fun car, and a soothing daily driver to eat up the miles travelling around the country. Where would you put your hard earned money?

[@jjohnbowie]

Buttons on the e60 r goated ❤❤

[@Andy_Holbrook332]

Great chat guys. I don’t think F1 has come up in the last couple of weeks? The Brazil GP was a good race - Alonso’s battle for second was brilliant

[@HughGriffiths-v8g]

Bit late to the comments on this one, but it hit few thoughts. I’m about to do my biennial run from Perth to Sydney. So I can comment on the 4wd thing and the food thing. I will be driving my LC100 Sahara ( 300k kms owned from new and next car a 300 GR sport) for roughly 12k Km s over December January. No other car I have ever owned will eat up the distance Ike this one, day one will be Perth Hyden. Pie for breakfast at the hyden bakery. There is nothing like a proper country bakery pie. I know you guys are talking about services but we don’t have that here outside the main population centres. Then we will do the truck road to Norseman where we will make a sandwich from the centre console fridge after fueling up, to make our first day destination of Madura.

[@Brundlesim]

I spent an hour cleaning my phone screen…..then released it was on Chris’s camera…

[@drippincolors]

My personal 2 car garage choice would be: - Koenigsegg Gemera and outsteps myself and 3 supermodels all clinging onto my arms along with my hot Bovril from its heated cup holders. - Ferrari Monza SP1 and driving around Cortina D’amprezzo in the Dolomites on a warm summer evening

[@fransb8543]

I really enjoy the finely turned aluminium volume knob in my car

[@andresandify]

That first second literally destroys my ears the second week in a row (your new intro). Love the podcast, but please quieten that first beat 😀

[@aaronhussain3873]

Re service statiln chat, I will always make a beeline for coffee and cake from Costa or Starbucks on a long trip. I just don't do fizzy drinks for some reason.

[@wolmarans1]

Chris, 20 seconds after your shameless book plug, I found it on Audible and bought 😂. Looking forward to the listening in the traffic

[@Milkydrummer]

Chris Cooper always starts a sentence, then diverts to start another sentence, then interrupts himself to start a third sentence, then a 4th, then a 5th, ALL before finishing the first sentence!! What are you doing Mr. Cooper!? 😂😂😂

[@robstaples6649]

Love that Chris mentions the Third Reich in the same breathe as the Ford Escort Mk4. Bravo Sir. 😂

[@mikesw87]

Manish is spot on, eating in the car is not right!

[@RichardWeaver-s5j]

Two car garage suggestion chaps.....your garage must feature two cars from British television history....firing up the Quattro alongside Del Boys 'daily driver'? You get the picture. Go well.

[@italsounds001]

On buttons, I had an x100 XKR that had a hidden button (add on) under the steering wheel, not visible, the dealer I got it from didn’t know about it, so the first time it was pressed by me was by accident, I didn’t know I had pressed it, but a persons voice came out of the speakers “hello, how can I help you?” .. er what! Turned out it was an old Sat Nav/assistance system, which was paid on a per-press basis, when I had subscribed, for about 20-30p I could press the button and have an operator say hello, in whatever way I wanted, so for me it was “hello Mr Steel, this is your PA (name) what can I do for you today?” And I would press it every time I had a passenger for a laugh. You could ask them for directions, petrol station, a type of shop etc. and they would send directions to the system, which was then voice only directions, but very accurate and precise, also though, it would have birthday/ occasion reminders, you could order flowers.. it was bloody brilliant.

[@townsjim]

Chris, Lilt hasn't disappeared, it's been rebranded as Fanta Pineapple and Grapefruit flavour.

[@nickk7689]

Need to do a best autoroute etc services on the continent. Switzerland has some good ones.

[@bibnakladnistvo]

Speaking of buttons.. Renault Avantime, IIRC, had a button that would, with a single press, drop all windows, and open the glass roof. Having no B pillars, that shitbox would all of a sudden feel like a Riva powerboat.. :D

[@wharris123184]

Neil (Emma) Clizzle with the drip today!

[@PSUK997]

The Porsche Turbo GT is an absolute masterpiece! I've put a few miles on one and it is absolutely outrageous. Truly a GT3 on stilts and entirely different from the Urus. I would consider the Urus driving experience to be what you would expect from Porsche, it's actually quite full and Germanic. The Turbo GT is flamboyant, childishly wild even at low speed and rides beautifully. One of the most surprising cars I have ever driven.

[@_que]

If they just made a GT3 with rear seats perhaps, for kids or small people, as they do matter...

[@PSUK997]

@@_que but then you have space requirements. Larger crash structure etc. In a world of dozens of variants of 911 the Turbo GT offers something totally unique. It's not just a 'fast cayenne'

[@PazLeBon]

Nothing worse then behind an SUV in my mx5. Can't see the traffic at all. The fact that they are so ugly to look at makes it worse

[@Solent_Ben]

Don't give into the beard pressure Chris. Stay Strong 💪

[@29speedman]

Can of coke (full fat) bag of bacon wheat crunchies and a Boost duo bar please. Maybe an M&S pork pie if I'm peckish!

[@steffandavies1332]

It’s surprising to me how the SWB 4x4 market has died. Possessing the positive attributes of the LWB versions in a package of a similar footprint to an Audi A3 seems a very appealing proposition. Apart from the very attractive current Defender 90 and Jimny models, I can’t think of many…it’s maybe why the old Shogun and Landcruiser SWBs to me now look so appealing and why they retain such strong values

[@williamdrijver4141]

In the USA you can still buy a Bronco and Wrangler 3 door, but such models world wide are indeed scarce.

[@jameswhitehorn6432]

I have to say, I agree with Chris H’s point about engineer led vs consumer led, but I also agree with Neil; much as I loathe most urban SUV’s, you can’t save your disgust for them purely. Take the 911 as an example; the 993 base model had about 260hp, was targeted towards drivers, was compact and somewhat impractical. The new 992 entry level has about 450hp - why? Because a) we’re obsessed with the 0-60 time over driving sensation, but b) the car has become so bloated because we now expect a 911 to fit a family of 4 and their luggage, be comfortable on a 750 mile drive, and also give you a hard on while giving it full beans on a B road. If Porsche had spent the last 30 years keeping the 911 small, increasing the power to 300-350bhp and making sure it does 35-40mpg and emits