College Football Week 12 Top 10 & Interesting Playoff Scenario Discussion

[@AceMan-20]

"Indiana, Penn State, teams who don't have any ranked wins" - Nerd Dan. You know who else doesn't have any ranked wins? The "Mighty" texas longhorns.

[@TheElsMan]

Wow why is no one talking about this

[@JayTide]

They have the easiest schedule by far in the SEC and Oklahoma got a much harder one for sure. With realignment the schedules between teams have huge disparities within conferences. They need to do divisions to make it work. The difference of difficulty in schedules between Texas and Florida, Vanderbilt, and Oklahoma is huge. Missouri is another team that got a cupcake schedule.

[@DanielIsaacs]

@@TheElsMan Too busy reading star QB's DMs.

[@drewc771]

These guys are huge on power rankings. When they talk about ranked wins, I think that's what they're actually referring to. They don't really have an SEC bias, imo. They just strongly believe in power ratings, as do many of the more analytically based "experts". It just happens that the power rankings like the SEC a lot, so it comes across as "SEC Bias".

[@cmac8]

@@drewc771 this, 100%

[@avi7278]

Texas at 2 is ridiculous and y'all know it.

[@eackerma100]

They sec homers It's fine if it was last year Texas wouldn't even be in top 10 after Georgia boat raced then.

[@PureGeauxld]

​@@eackerma100Fake news. They track the performance of teams vs their respective schedules. The fact is that the SEC just has better teams.

[@drewc771]

@@eackerma100 Nah. What they really are is analytics/power ratings "homers". Power ratings like Texas a lot.

[@Lelouch98]

Texas got handled by the only decent team they played and we are starting to find out that Georgia isn’t even that good so why are they 2nd? Please explain

[@JayTide]

I have to agree with you on Texas being ranked too high. They've only had 1 game against a top tier team and lost pretty badly at home.

[@austintacius]

Don't think the schedule card plays for other teams if you have Texas at #2 over OSU. Lower SOS, and SOR, best win is 3 points at Vandy. Seems like they're getting credit for beating helmets not teams (OU, Michigan). There's not much difference between Texas and Penn State (resumes) - both got dumped, at home, in the only equal talent game they've played. I love y'alls content, but this channel has always espoused "how you beat teams matters", and if Indiana plays a respectable game against OSU, and gets left out at 11-1, then "how you beat your schedule" doesn't matter, because they beat it like it stole something.

[@TheElsMan]

Preach

[@cementexec]

I love these analysis video however sometimes when I listen to you guys I detect a SEC Bias

[@knothyselfknotruth]

Very easy to detect! Thankfully the world is starting to recognize ESECPN and the rest of media outlets shilling for that Conf

[@JayTide]

They go back facts and data. They didn't say one thing that's not accurate.

[@PureGeauxld]

They track teams performances vs their respective schedules. The fact is that there are better teams in the SEC than elsewhere.

[@bradonelkins687]

Texas over osu is a terrible take

[@jordannichols8338]

Agreed. It makes no sense and they avoided explaining it.

[@bradonelkins687]

@ literally Ohio state has the better win the better loss Texas has no quality wins the one team they played they got destroyed

[@jordannichols8338]

@@bradonelkins687 Yep. they had Ohio State ranked over Texas last week so I am wondering what changed?

[@mbd501]

You guys are complaining that there are 5 spots reserved for conference champions, and that a 5th or 6th SEC team will get left out in favor of some of them. I disagree. This is a national playoff, not just an SEC/Big Ten playoff.

[@TheKingandTheDawg]

11 or 12 of the 12 best teams in the country are in the SEC and B10. SMU/Miami, Boise State, & BYU/Colorado aren’t top 12 teams in a power ranking. (Maybe BYU or Boise sneak in) so yes it is a national tournament but your trying to avoid blowout which would lower TV viewer count which is all the NCAA & ESPN care about

[@SurferRC]

@@TheKingandTheDawglol they certainly are not 😂🤡🤦🏼‍♂️man people are blind

[@mbd501]

@@TheKingandTheDawg As a fan not from the SEC, I'd rather see a national tournament. A team like Boise (which only lost to Oregon by 3) deserves a shot.

[@JayTide]

​@@mbd501they will get a shot if they win out.

[@dmdubb3129]

Not sure why you’re so confident that Wisconsin couldn’t beat LSU, when a 6 loss USC team already beat them. But I guess when you already have a pre bias in your head about the SEC, you tend to think that

[@SurferRC]

Exactly

[@PureGeauxld]

Did you watch the LSU vs USC game? LSU forced 4 fumbles but the random bounce of the ball let USC recover all 4... They lucked into a win over a LSU team that beat a top 5 Ole Miss team (power ratings).

[@drewc771]

USC beat Wisconsin by 17. They were a bounce or 2 from beating top 5 Penn St. USC is better than a 6 loss team. Especially earlier in the year. Idk exactly what they said, so if they literally said "can't" beat them, I would disagree. It's CFB, anything can happen any given day. But on a neutral field, LSU would definitely be favored over Wisconsin by 7-10 points.

[@dmdubb3129]

@ yes I watch the game. And USC outgained them 447 to 421 and averaged more points per play than them. Lsu also only had 1 turnover, and that was an INT. So that wasn’t just some fluky win that you’re trying to make it seem. USC went in there and beat them. And mind you, this is a 5 loss team now

[@dmdubb3129]

@@drewc771 the transitive property doesn’t work. You’re bringing up that they barely lost to Penn st but ignoring that they loss to a terrible Maryland team, a bad Michigan team, a mid Washington team, and a Mid Minnesota team. All those teams have at least 4 losses. It’s not like they’re a 4-5 team that loss to actual good teams. So you can try to make USC look better all you want. It’s not gonna work. The reality is, outside of the Ole Miss game, LSU hasn’t looked impressive. It was a one score game in the 4th with a bad UCLA team

[@PatrickKyleMoseley]

Man this was the type of topical conversation that I love. Y'all perfectly stated the imbalance between conferences and the current bad rules of the CFP.

[@andrewjohnson8919]

Georgia wouldn't be left out if Carson Beck would stop throwing the ball to the opp

[@TyThePatriot]

Just wanted to say I appreciate the effort you guys put into these videos. I like many of us here love college football. We are in a transformative time in the sport and these analytics provide perspective. Also still praying for Josh's family.. sending good vibes from Columbus.. GO BUCKS!!!

[@jsmiles17]

The flaws in this argument is always giving the benefit of doubt to the sec teams. This conference is still the only conference that plays 8 league games. If it's the only conference that matter then play each other all day every day. Have their own SEC Playoffs. Until then, don't discredit another teams achievement because they don't play in the SEC. This is an argument every year, and it's pretty exhausting. Army is no good because they don't play in the sec. Indiana is no good because they don't play an sec schedule. BYU is no good because they don't play an sec schedule. This is coming from a Ohio State fan who saw an undefeated Florida State team grind out a 12-0, beat 2 sec teams in 1 season and still got dumped. This is bad for national college football. It's a bad precedent. Now this year, we're arguing 2 loss sec teams are better than undefeated teams.

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@jsmiles17 SEC went 14-4 in the 4 team playoff against other conferences and 8-1 in BCS championships. That’s 20 years of dominance with only a handful of losses and 1 blowout loss. The Big 10 went 1-2 in BCS championships and 5-7 in the 4 team playoffs. The benefit of the doubt comes from 20 years of consistent performance that other conferences have not come close to matching

[@jsmiles17]

@nicholaskling2425 it's irresponsible to blanket conference affiliation to the success of few. Alabama,UGA,LSU had success. That shouldn't authorize the entire conference to nothing. Every season is it's own season and should not reflect benefits from a previous season. There are 134 fbs programs. To blanket 16 teams as consistently better would assume that LSU should have beaten USC or TAMU should have beat ND. You gotta play the games then let the chips lay. But to exclude others success because they aren't in the 16 team league of the sec is stupid. The one thing I agree is the sec should just have there own season and playoffs and don't play any other team because the passive excuse for failure being covered by a conference success in previous years is irresponsible. I live in Ohio and I love football but the sec is not the only programs that play the sport. Remember 134 programs in the fbs. This current system is flawed only benefit a few and rewards failure.

[@SurferRC]

@@nicholaskling2425because they were gifted spots in the format

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@jsmiles17 it’s irresponsible to ignore 20 years of history every single season. Nobody is saying that every SEC team is better than every B1G team. I’m saying that history strongly suggests that, year in, year out, the SEC is the strongest conference. Would you say that it’s irresponsible to say the Big 10 is better than the Big 12 or ACC? Would you say that it’s irresponsible to say that the ACC is better than MAC? No, because history and recruiting strongly correlate that they are.

[@nicholaskling2425]

@ the SEC had 12 appearances in the playoffs and went 14-4 against other conferences. The B1G had 10 appearances and went 5-7. Are you going to argue that the B1G was gifted appearances despite consistently losing? Or are only winning teams “gifted” appearances?

[@TheRenaissanceGamer]

I feel like your logic being applied to Penn State falls apart when you have Texas @ 2. It’s the same situation except Texas lost worse to a team ranked lower.

[@KeepChoppin]

It's true. Texas has a pathetic resume. SEC though.

[@BrianGlaze]

If I generalize it in a way that is a very simple, what CFB will have to figure out is: are we trying to fill playoff slots based purely on conference representation (forget schedule difficulty), or are we trying to get the 12 best teams in (requires a bit more interpretation...which I'm fine with).

[@charlesepler3581]

I really enjoy this kind of content. Please do more.

[@ethanmarshall8681]

Every team should play 12 games. 9 conference games, and 1 opponent from each of the other 3 Power 4 Conferences every year. Get rid of FCS/G5 play entirely.

[@chrisjernagan3324]

Had to laugh when the one guy said the bottom half of the B1G is so bad. And not actually wondering why that is. The reason why is because the B1G play 9 more conference games. Simple math tells you half the conference will have one more loss hence making the lower half look worse. The SEC does not do this. That is why they have a problem with so many 2 loss teams in the conference. It's so frustrating all these youtube channels just look past this aspect of the SEC.

[@PureGeauxld]

​@@chrisjernagan3324Did you listen to them? They do not believe that a loss means you are bad. They look at data and performance on the field.

[@nicholaskling2425]

Just to put some numbers to the Indiana-Alabama schedule: Alabama’s schedule as a whole has gone 31-22 against the P4, with their worst P4 opponent going 3-4 (Wisconsin) Indiana’s schedule as a whole has gone 18-39 against the P4 with their BEST P4 opponent going 3-4 (Nebraska)

[@knothyselfknotruth]

Alabama lost to Vandy. Dnt talk to me about schedule when Bama ONLY plays 8 conf games and can't beat Vandy. Get out of here

[@nicholaskling2425]

@ Alabama had a let down game after beating Georgia. Every team on Indiana’s schedule to date is worse than Vandy

[@JayTide]

​@@knothyselfknotruthonly plays 8 conference games against teams that would win the Big 12 or ACC. The Big 12 and ACC are junior football leagues and so is the Big 10 outside of 4 teams.

[@BloodDjimon614]

​@@nicholaskling2425 that wasn't a "let-down game" that's just who Alabama is this year. I'm not advocating against Alabama getting in over an Indiana, but to say the Vandy game was a fluke is a vast exaggeration of who Alabama is as a team this year.

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@BloodDjimon614 they went from beating Georgia with a last second interception to playing a team that they expected to be an easy out. That is the definition of a let down game. They’ve won their past 2 games, top 30 teams at worst, 76-13. They had an entirely new coaching staff and system. They are a team that is getting better and dominating in the final stretch against good competition. Indiana has played absolutely no one and struggled to beat a bad Michigan team (Vandy is 4-3 against the P4, Michigan is 3-6).

[@RobertCampbell-js1gk]

Watching the southern boys play in the snow will be comical. Same with their fans in attendance.

[@tonirivers12345]

Texas has zero good wins. Not ONE ranked win. They are definitely overrated. Id have them 10th or so until they can beat A&M or out if they don’t.

[@mbd501]

I think Texas could be out of the playoff completely if they lose to A&M.

[@JayTide]

​@@mbd501probably with their SOS.

[@Glue_Stick98]

I agree with everything you're saying, but isn't there a side of this where Georgia should've just played better? They wouldn't have made the 4 team playoff, so not making 12 is just tough luck. And wasn't this whole conference expansion fiasco kicked off by the SEC? Kirby needs to yell at Greg Sanky for this and not the CFP committee. It would be sweet for the SEC to miss out on a playoff spot to BYU because of conference expansion. That Big12 spot would've normally just gone to Texas or Oklahoma, and we wouldn't have all this intra-conference siloing. The chaos of college football is alive and well

[@JustN0pe3]

I thought Colorado going to the Big12 kind of started the whole realignment. I could just remember wrong.

[@Glue_Stick98]

@@JustN0pe3 Reports of Texas and OU joining the SEC broke in summer 2021, UCLA and USC in summer 2022, and Colorado in spring 2023. At least that's what the Wikipedia says

[@liamtucker96]

This is fair, but there aren’t going to be undefeated teams left out this year (including Army, most likely). If 10-2 Georgia is left out for 11-1 Indiana then Georgia could have just played better, but Indiana could have, too.

[@JayTide]

Only way BYU gets in is if the win their conference, that's it.

[@stevegirard-voiceaudiopodcasts]

Guys, it’s really no longer the ‘they beat them and this other team lost to them by 20’ comparison model. I know you use a kind of hybrid - using both the system above and your stats-based info to make judgments. It’s more of a ‘how does X match up with Y THIS WEEK’ thing. Parity is growing, making the differences between these teams smaller each season, and making the reasons one team may beat another more intricate and hard to determine upfront.

[@happynotredamefan3736]

Josh you criticize Penn state for not beating anybody who did Texas beat? End of year best win will be 6-6 if they lose to A&M

[@CollegeFootballNerds]

This is a very fair point, but the issue is Texas has been utterly dominant outside of the Georgia loss.

[@happynotredamefan3736]

@@CollegeFootballNerds Texas won by 3 against Vandy And I don’t think they dominated MS State it was 14-6 with less than a minute left in the 4th quarter. I will say they dominated more teams then Penn state as of right now but Penn State had a one possession game against OSU and Texas got destroyed by Georgia

[@adamfuller5640]

@@happynotredamefan3736they meant to say “Texas was really good last year, they returned a lot of guys and we can’t admit they aren’t performing at the same level this year because we’re shameless SEC homers”

[@TheEpicSimplicity]

Georgia not getting a chance last year was tragic. This year if they don’t get in that’s just too damn bad. I don’t feel bad for teams that don’t crack the top 10. Teams ranked 5-8 in the 4 team playoff because of one good loss was bad.

[@KeepChoppin]

It's hard to even put Texas in the top 10 if we are being serious about all of this.

[@andrewjohnson8919]

"You can only play who is on your schedule, we care about how you look" If I'm not mistaken that's you guys saying that, so why SOS matter now

[@okrajoe]

Kind of like NFL, the SEC and Big10 will have to create tiers of teams (based on a team's previous 1-2 season performance), and each team must play at least 2 conference games against top tier teams, 2 conference games against middle tier, etc. Too much random variation among conference schedules.

[@Clemsnman]

The expanded playoff makes superconferences a stupid thing. Go back to multiple smaller conferences then we really know who the best in each conference is.

[@adamfuller5640]

Exactly! Every conference should have 10 teams and play 9 conference games. Round Robin for everyone!

[@dominicclark5342]

I think SMU wins the ACC. I think it's possible we have both SMU and BYU in the 3 and 4 spot. And you should know there's plenty of deep pockets in Highland Park. You shouldn't expect this SMU thing to go away. You can say there's no parity and keep looking for evidence to support that argument, but Nil isnt operating in a vacuum. Its operating in the midst of conference realignment and playoff restructuring. Josh you arent completely wrong but you aren't right either. Just look at Cam Ward and Miami. You should fully expect random "portalcentric" teams to rise up annually. Theres no other explanation for the FSU phenomenon. Some of these portal acquisition teams will pan out and some won't. There's an extension of that concept to. We can also have schools pay kids not to enter the draft. Georgia appears to be suffering from that choice. Talent evaluation and acquisition for players that have experience at the college level is going to become the edge and that really can't be argued against. There's just no way you can say that Cam Ward didn't substantially increase Miami's edge to the brink of ACC champ. Same goes for Walter Nolen for the Rebs and Caleb Downs for OSU. There's always going to be individual players at the college level that have the ability to take a game over. Nil dilutes their concentration throughout the landscape. You must admit there's a certain irony to the SEC and B1G raiding the most popular brands of the big12 and pac10 and then calling a foul when SMU and BYU become the benefactors. Someone had to fill the vacuum. You aren't shocked are you? I mean it took zero foresight to see that the big12 champ would be inferior to the entire top half of the SEC. And guess what? The SEC made it so. Lol 3 religious private schools in the playoffs and 2 with a first round bye. Who knew?

[@SurferRC]

And when they win they will stay say it some how didnt count or wasnt deserved 😂😂

[@jordannichols8338]

Why did Texas Jump Ohio State? 😂

[@MRBUCKNUTZ2]

Exactly 😂

[@PureGeauxld]

Because of their performance vs their schedule.

[@MRBUCKNUTZ2]

@PureGeauxld explain that there only ranked team they played they got smoked Georgia who dosent look all that great and struggled with Vanderbilt!!! OSU lost 1pt game to the top team in the country Oregon on the road then went to Penn st ranked 3 at the time and beat them Penn st is still in the top 10 again make it make sense..

[@PureGeauxld]

@@MRBUCKNUTZ2 Rankings don't matter when trying to determine a Strength of Schedule. You should do some research... Just because a team has a loss, does not mean they are worse than a team with no losses...

[@MRBUCKNUTZ2]

@PureGeauxld can you understand English I was comparing Ohio state & Texas and that no way texas has shown that there the number 2 team in the country but nvm you don't sound to bright.

[@frostymug3123]

LSU lost to bottom feeder USC and UCLA played a close game till half time

[@jordannichols8338]

Why rank Texas over Ohio State? Could someone explain?

[@adamfuller5640]

They like the SEC too much to admit that the best team there would only be the third best team in the conference if Oregon and Ohio State joined

[@jordannichols8338]

@ it’s really odd that they would change the placements From last week without a single explanation

[@Chris_x_2]

I don’t understand people who want 5/6 SEC teams in the playoffs. If you only enjoy watching SEC football, watch the conference games and your championship games and then checkout. The playoffs are so you can see the matchups we don’t normally get.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

If you genuinely feel that way, you're unfortunately missing the point of the playoffs. Its meant to put the best teams in first, and create unusual and exciting matchups second. By most metrics the SEC has the biggest collective of talent and good-to-great teams, so the desire to have 4+ in the playoff is expecting the playoff to pull from each conference the highest collective level of play.

[@SurferRC]

@@EulogyfortheAngelsbut we dont know #4 sec is better than # 2 b12 thats pure speculation and usually wrong based on game data and history

[@adamfuller5640]

@@EulogyfortheAngelsit should NOT be the best teams. That’s a terrible point of the playoffs. It should be the teams that have looked the best. If it’s just the best teams, which is decided by your potential, then coaching staff and recruiting rankings deterministically predict that and then it doesn’t matter if Georgia loses five freak games, they should be in because they’re a top 12 recruiting and coaching program. Putting the Best in at any cost is STUPID.

[@carterschell3792]

Great video, we appreciate the work y’all do to put this out for us

[@robertfredericks3139]

Just started but I'm excited to see how they predict 5 SEC teams make the playoff while explaining that only one (or neither) of IU/PSU deserve to make it. Edit: They start justifying leaving those teams out for three-loss Bama around 15:50.

[@evanrussell4211]

A good chunk of the ACC play the SEC. So I’d love to see more cross conference requirement.

[@mitchellwinters4429]

Always been a big fan of these videos. Love the object, data driven insight regarding college football. Showing support !

[@GoBuckeyes216]

Man if im UGA and Clemson wins the ACC and Gets that automatic bid I am beyond livid. Not only will UGA be left out but now they’re playing in some random ass bowl since all the NY6 are playoff games.

[@mattschwartz7583]

Wouldn't that be hilarious after Clemson got the doors blown off by the team that got booted for them. Fitting for how this cfb year has gone so far

[@greenearth975]

Leaving out confrence champions to put in more SEC teams is a stupid idea. Yeah sure some of the time you can guess they are a worse team but in the mean time you are making the confrence schedules mean even less for the big teams and damaging the national relevance of CFB since the overwhelming majority of the country will never even get a chance to play on a national stage.

[@JayTide]

It's time the Big 10 and SEC join together and make their own league. The teams in the Big 12 and ACC aren't on the same level. They could also form their own leagues and have their own playoff system.

[@adamfuller5640]

@@JayTideis that what you really want to see? Is that a “better” college football in your opinion?

[@JayTide]

@adamfuller5640 absolutely. There's no point in trying to pretend the conferences are equal, they aren't. What's the point of watching BYU, SMU or whoever comes out of those conferences get housed in the playoffs. I think it would benefit everyone overall anyway. College football as we knew it before is already dead. It could be something like the NFL playoffs. Have the 4 best teams from the Big 10 and SEC have their own playoff bracket and have the winners play each other in a college version of the Super Bowl. There'd be some movement of a few teams beforehand like Clemson, Notre Dame, Miami and a few others but it could work.

[@JM-wf2to]

A big issue i had hoped would have recitified itself: THE SEC preseason rankings allowing them to all be average and lose games but " thats a good loss". Is it though? Guess well all find out in the playoffs but jesus, its absurd.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

A bit of a contradiction exclaiming "allowing them to all be average" leading to the overall point of your statement of "who knows". What is 'average' if we don't know relative strength? Is average SEC play better than average G5 play?

[@SurferRC]

@@EulogyfortheAngelsyes but not better than average p4 play

[@ev2155]

Let’s tune in to hear this SEC bias bloviating!

[@danielmiller9012]

4 of the last 5!

[@SandyFlamingo]

Also love these videos. It’s the most well thought out and interesting Cfb content that exists. Keep gping

[@russellrogers3260]

I think the OSU vs Indiana game will be interesting and have big effects on the playoffs. If Indiana wins or loses close they are probably in. If they get beaten badly i doubt they do. Who did OSU piss off, there is 4 teams that at this point look above average in the big 10 and OSU is the only one playing them all .

[@eackerma100]

Exactly hardest schedule in the country other than Georgia. And Georgia has shown they are not elite

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

@@eackerma100 Ohio State's is #26 according to FPI. #4 strength of record though. That makes sense, they play 3 top 10 teams and the rest are out of the top 40. Indiana is almost certainly out of the playoff if they lose. Their SoS is so absurdly bad that they can't afford to lose a single game to anyone.

[@SurferRC]

@@EulogyfortheAngelsthey need to disclose how sos and sor are measures

[@kanosig]

​@@EulogyfortheAngelsthree top 5 teams you mean

[@parkerseymour6046]

Commenting bc i absolutely love it when you guys do these freeform back and forth chats

[@hollinsd]

Texas over OSU now why? They beat a BAD UF team who was running out their 3-4 string QB. And Texas played this game at home. OSU had a bye... but nothing changed from last week for both these teams.

[@jamessanders2785]

USC is 3rd from the bottom in the Big10, but beat LSU a team who beat Ole Miss who beat the breaks off of Georgia. With things like this happening Im not sure how much Alabama beating Wisconsin matters. Also there should be no rankings until games are played, lets look at Florida State. Lastly is a ranked win a win over a currently ranked team, or when they played?

[@drewc771]

The transitive property never works in college football. The disparity in league schedules makes the standings a very deceptive measure of how good teams actually are. USC is clearly not the 3rd worst team in the Big 10, especially earlier in the year. Remember they almost beat Penn st, too. LSU is also not one of the 5 or 6 best teams in the SEC. The media rankings don't mean anything. It's all just content.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

A&M is ranked, but lost to a Notre Dame that lost to 5-4 NIU. Colorado is ranked, but was blown out by Nebraska who was blown out by Indiana. Arkansas beat top 10 Tennessee but was blown out by LSU who was blown out by Bama who was beat by Tennessee. Please transitive property responsibly.

[@dariuswilliams3206]

I don’t think removing preseason rankings changes anything. At this stage, what team is benefiting from their preseason rankings?

[@knothyselfknotruth]

Some1 do me a favor and tell me What's the SEC's best Non Conference Win?? So because they circle jerk beating each other we are suppose to believe they're good? LSU got manhandled by BIG10 USC yet we r acting like that Bama win was impressive 😂😂

[@drewc771]

You post the same exact tired BS every day. Already answered you and went through what was very wrong about this yesterday, as did many others. Certainly not going to waste the time again.

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@knothyselfknotruth LSU lost by 7. SEC went 10-6 against the P4 (and Notre Dame) with an average margin of victory of 11.7. B1G went 5-8 against the P4 with an average margin of “victory” of -7.1.

[@SurferRC]

Its true the sec is only good at beating themselves 😂

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@SurferRC SEC winning 12 of the last 17 national championships says otherwise

[@adamfuller5640]

@@nicholaskling2425good at the top does not mean good across the board . SEC’s bowl record is barely above .500 during that same timespan

[@CrimsonHaze29]

So much good conversation in these videos. Do these more often!

[@gaminglime240]

You guys are a joke lmao. Texas over osu?? Who is the best team they beat? Vandy?? They got embarrassed in their only big game of the year.

[@williamsheppard2532]

Lots of chicken little “sky is falling” takes today. If SEC gets 4 teams in but a 5th is left out for an undefeated Army (which would have beaten a quality ND team) CFB will still be fine, and the playoff will be better for it. We haven’t even had 1 iteration of this new format yet, calm down….

[@mikemike7688]

SEC homers. 😂😂😂😂 Vandy is trash. They win one game and all you hear is how great Vandy is. Everyone in the SEC is beating each other doesn’t mean they are all great. The top end of the SEC has dropped significantly. GA, BAMA, LSU are all down. So the SEC media act like a bunch of Democrat homers have to change the narrative. They are so desperate that Vandy is now elite. The rest of the country isn’t any better. I am not defending anyone. But the same points that make some team look bad, are completely not applied to the SEC and Vandy.

[@knothyselfknotruth]

Same Vandy who lost to Georgia State. These SEC fans r delusional

[@drewc771]

No politics, please. Just football.

[@drewc771]

"The top end of the SEC has dropped significantly. GA, BAMA, LSU are all down" Based on what? If you look at almost any power ratings which are all data-based, you'll see 5 SEC teams in the Top 10...UGA, Bama, Tennessee, Texas, Ole Miss. How is that down? Considering UGA and Bama's recent history, being slightly down is still extremely good and the other 3 teams are all "up", particularly Ole Miss and Texas. "They win one game and all you hear is how great Vandy is" They've won several games, not just one. Nobody is claiming they're elite, but they're a pretty decent team, much better than they usually are.

[@SurferRC]

@@drewc771its bias not fact, rankings are not fact, wins and losses and yards and points are…

[@drewc771]

@@SurferRC Look at any computer model power ranking system out there. They just crunch data, don't care about the names or the conferences. They track wins, losses, points, yards, who you play, everything you can imagine. You are going to see SEC teams all over the top 10 of every one of them.

[@glennsmith8373]

Texas best win is Vandy and they got handled by a good Georgia team and they're #2 hahaha ok......

[@KeepChoppin]

This year should really change the narrative on the SEC. The SEC teams are all very mid. That will show itself in the CFP. Playing Maine and Mercer won't change the facts.

[@JayTide]

Big 12 and ACC championship will be one and very done. What will you say then?

[@brettk9316]

Exactly

[@PureGeauxld]

The NFL draft doesn't back that up...

[@drewc771]

@@PureGeauxld nothing backs that up. Some of these folks are completely delusional.

[@aminas644]

who has texas beaten 🤣

[@tylerg8863]

Enjoyed the discussion and all of your content.

[@chrisburke3806]

Love the video gentleman. A couple thoughts: - I agree the system is broken, however, this would have been such a bigger mess if it were still a 4 team playoff system. So I believe we are trending in the right direction. But maybe we have to do one more expansion to 16 teams and no byes for anyone. Can keep the 5 automatic qualifiers but they don’t get top spots. - I get the points and harping on Indiana, however, can’t we celebrate the beauty of having a perennial Big Ten bottom dweller rise and have the ability to fight for a national championship? Imo this does more for college football if they get the nod over a Georgia or hell even Penn state because it gives the rest of the teams like them something to point to and fight for. Just my opinion tho

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

That's part of the problem though. Indiana might only be slightly above average and appear to be a Cinderella because they play the worst schedule out of all P4 teams. Florida is potentially undefeated with that schedule. Vandy is likely undefeated with it.

[@SurferRC]

@@EulogyfortheAngelsand so are many acc and b12 schools! 😂

[@A_Fool]

Good to see you guys back!!

[@Dawg-Bone]

Here’s what I think the too 12 should look like if the season ended today: Big 10: Oregon SEC: Tennessee Big 12: BYU ACC: SMU Ohio State Alabama Penn State Indiana Notre Dame Texas A&M Miami GO5: Boise State

[@TheKingandTheDawg]

Miami out ole Miss in A&M out Texas in (If it ended today)

[@BrianGlaze]

Daniel, your point around 2:40 is why talking about rankings is my least favorite thing to do on the internet 😂

[@committed2thecore]

If we need to do a Patreon to keep this going I’m down. This is one of my favorite shows!!

[@oregonlonghorn]

Absolutely love the in depth discussion

[@dylanhughes6175]

Making a top 10/12 ranking is so hard to do especially in a chaotic year like this. Thanks for putting this out, here’s my top 12: 1. Oregon 2. Ohio state 3. Texas 4. Tennessee 5. Penn state 6. Indiana 7. Alabama 8. Ole miss 9. Georgia 10. Notre Dame 11. Miami 12. BYU

[@stephenlight647]

SEC/BigTen to CFP Committee: “Nice playoff you have there. Shame if something happened to it!”

[@adamfuller5640]

We are going to dismantle the conferences

[@AliceClimbers]

This has made me realize we really aren't far off a reality that a top 4 seed in the playoffs is a team that got blown out by Nebraska

[@horatiocarrillo2176]

I cannot imagine a scenario in any recent season in which the SEC would NOT have 4 teams in, without any real issue. 5 and obviously 6 is where you start running into a numbers game.

[@bradyhoeper7929]

Ohio state has a better win and a better loss than Texas. No logic here whatsoever

[@josephmoya5098]

The issue is definitely that there is no Elite team this year, in any conference anywhere. It makes it fun that any one in about the top 15 could win a National Championship. But I don't think any top 12 will actually make sense at a quick glance. It is just too messy. I totally agree with you on that.

[@josephmoya5098]

I also totally agree with you that it is really silly that Georgia might end up bieng left out of the playoff for Penn State or BYU, and that this will help people see the issue with the playoff system as it is set up. But the real problem is the super conferences. The SEC shouldn't have this many teams. If we want a massive and fair playoff system, then we need to spread the big schools around the conferences. Texas and OU should be in the Big 12. USC and Oregon should have remained in the PAC 12. Clemson and FSU (lol) need to remain in the ACC. And conferences need to be smaller so that more teams actually play each other. This would fix some of the messiness in the SEC. This is how you make an expanded playoff work in College Football. The regular season has to be an initial playoff with only the best teams from each conference likely getting in, and then the rest of the top 10 getting in as well, ranked by play, not automaticallly. But then again, I was okay with the 4 team playoff, which would also solve a lot of this mess.

[@dariuswilliams3206]

@@josephmoya5098the point of clumping these teams into one conference was so that we could have these teams play each other more often. For example, say Michigan vs Oregon, normally that would just be a season opener or a rose bowl, once every leap year. Now that type of matchup is week in and week out, more eyes more money.

[@josephmoya5098]

@@dariuswilliams3206 That might happen occasionally, but year to year, you have too many "good" teams that don't have to play each other I mean, Indiana has played no one because their conference is so big that they could end up with a schedule without any good teams till OSU.

[@dariuswilliams3206]

@@josephmoya5098 it made sense for the other conference, Texas vs Georgia ooo, Oklahoma vs Bama(preseason) aahhh. BIG 10 moves are just in response to SEC. Adding USC and UCLA was supposed to be their Texas and Oklahoma, and Washington and Oregon came because the house burning but before that it was just OSU, MU, PSU and others.

[@kodachrometimes]

Great video, really enjoyed it - thanks!

[@BilgusO]

Yeah the SEC bias is pretty blatant in this one. I get being frustrated at auto bids but arguing for 6 SEC teams over one loss teams in the B1G is ridiculous

[@jonathanlewis6168]

This is the worst video you guys have done in awhile. Feels low energy and really biased

[@KeepChoppin]

A lot of these SEC channels have a similar tone. They know the SEC is looking terrible. The B1G has 4 teams in the top 5. The lone SEC team has a narrow signature win over Vandy, and got dog walked at home by a Georgia without a QB. It's rough times in SEC country.

[@24haseo]

I had no idea Bama has that big of an edge in terms of wins over ranked opponents. A battle tested and healthy Bama should scare everyone. Roll ride!

[@simonhitt5791]

There is no rule that the top 4 seeds have to go to a power conference champion. There is a path for Boise to get a first round bye or host a game if let's say the ACC champ has 2 losses or the Big 12 champ has 2 losses and Boise crushes their remaining schedule they will move up into the top 10. We'll see if Saturday was a fluke or if the wheels are coming off this Saturday.

[@ryanbenz4352]

I agree with almost everything you guys said minus the fact that Boise has the best loss out of any team (Oregon by 3 on the road) and they blew out 18th ranked Washington State

[@TxLonghornsFan]

Great points. Georgia has had a gauntlet of a schedule this year. No way Indiana and BYU are unbeaten if they had Georgia’s schedule. In fact, Georgia could beat both Indiana and BYU but they could be left out due to scheduling as you discussed.

[@JayTide]

Exactly right, flip the schedules and Indiana, BYU, SMU, and Miami would all have 3 or 4 losses. Likely Penn State too. They will definitely get in with one loss but Indiana shouldn't with that schedule.

[@MH-0101]

@@JayTide I don't know about that one chief. Indiana, SMU and Miami have substantially better offenses than Georgia.

[@JayTide]

@@MH-0101 you're tripping chief. Those are G5 teams talent wise. Miami can't even stop ACC offenses.

[@MH-0101]

@@JayTide You’re a fool if you think Miami and Indiana are like G5 teams talent wise. Miami has 9 future draft picks starting on offense and 7 on defense. Coaching is the issue at Miami, not talent. Indiana has an NFL QB, NFL running back, 3 NFL wide receivers and an NFL Tackle. Defensively they have three future pros on the defensive line, two at linebacker and a handful more in the secondary. These two teams are top 10 in the country in terms of talent. Understand that Indiana imported like 12 NFL caliber players through the portal. That’s why they are so good. It’s not a fluke.

[@JayTide]

@MH-0101 you're nuts if you think Miami has that many draft picks. If their entire team basically was future NFL players they would be able to play defense and not get struggle wins every week against subpar ACC competition.

[@Chris-ld5vk]

I love these videos!

[@docweidner]

It's definitely the kind of video I like to see. Sorry to hear these don't do as well.

[@pestyoverlord]

Bring back the computer. BCS ai edition when 🤖

[@A_Fool]

I hear you guys, but this mess was made BY the conferences. 1. They wanted an emphasis on conference champions for a decade, and then they got it. 2. Nobody MADE anyone form super conferences, but teams in conferences that were not the SEC and the Big10 got sick of the bias those leagues get (and I'm not saying how big that bias is or not, but I think we can all agree it's there). So those teams got sick of their wins/losses being undervalued, so they joined the conferences that get respect. 3. So everyone got what they wanted, conference champions are a big deal, a lot of teams moved to the popular conferences, and the CFP did as told, guaranteed conference champions slots 1-4, everyone else can just deal with it... and now we all have to deal with it. Last year Michigan had a CAKE schedule, they were ranked high and given respect all year. Georgia too, didn't play a quality team at all until November (nobody cared, ranked top all year). So when you get mad at teams this year for winning with an easy schedule, well... we have to be fair, regardless of if we get what we want. Conclusions: You cannot say "some" programs can play an easy schedule and should get in because "we just know those programs are good, despite their schedule" and other teams who are less famous cannot get in on an easy schedule. You cannot bang the drum that conference champions are a big deal, but then say some conference champions should NOT be as big a deal. If wins and losses don't matter, just how a team looks (the dreaded eye test), then the sport becomes a beauty contest, and wins and losses don't matter. It also gets problematic to say "fluke losses" shouldn't count as much. That gets subjective real quick, and we want politics out of college football as much as possible. Whatever system we go with, what happens ON THE FIELD has to be the main factor. Not we we think should have happened on the field, not what would probably happen on the field, not what vegas thinks might happen if some teams played, not what the model thinks... let the athletes play the damn game, and get the conferences and pollsters and all the BS politically angling OUT of everything.

[@chrisbiasotti5771]

Great video! We need more of this content!

[@azbuckeyegirl9523]

Great vid! Thank you so much!

[@jordannichols8338]

Georgia lost BAD to Ole Miss, loss to Bama and had an awful showing against Kentucky. Why are you guys glazing Georgia?

[@stephenlight647]

Thanks for the review! I’ll just note that with today’s rules, Penn State would have been in the 2016 CFP. 👀 Just like God intended… 😂

[@bradonelkins687]

Georgia also had the what 103rd schedule last year it happens beat the teams you are supposed to beat same with Michigans schedule last year

[@TheKingandTheDawg]

And Georgia was left from the playoffs because of that weak schedule. Idk what your trying to say other than somehow bringing Michigan into this

[@bradonelkins687]

@ my guy I’m not a scum fan 😂 all I’m saying is beat who you are supposed to beat

[@stephenlight647]

Ok, last one to Daniel’s point. Penn State finally got smart and decided to schedule cupcakes out of conference.

[@knothyselfknotruth]

A home & home versus a BIG12 rival ain't a cupcake. When's the last time Kirby played a True Road game vs a P5 team in Non Conf???

[@dariuswilliams3206]

@@knothyselfknotruthND ain’t P5 but…

[@knothyselfknotruth]

@@dariuswilliams3206 so in other words 7 yrs ago!? Pathetic

[@yorkqueer]

what is the rest of cfb doesnt play ball with the SEC's and B1G's demands?

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@yorkqueer then they have their own tournament that way less people watch

[@knothyselfknotruth]

If they think SEC & BIG10 can punk the rest of 🇺🇸 they are in for a rude awakening . The leverage they think they have doesn't exist

[@Jacobhand33]

Daniel said that Alabama has as many top 25 wins as the top 6 combined… Alabama has 3 top 25 wins. The top 6 has 7 top 25 wins: Oregon 1 (OSU) OSU 1 (PSU) Texas 2 (Michigan & Vandy) PSU 1 (Illinois) Indiana 0 Tennessee 2 (Oklahoma & Bama)

[@JayTide]

He was talking wins against current top 25 teams.

[@Jacobhand33]

@ okay so if Missouri or LSU or both get knocked out of the top 25, those won’t count as top 25 wins? Then it will just be 1 top 25 win for Bama?

[@Jacobhand33]

@@JayTide also just realized that even if he’s talking about currently ranked teams, he’s still wrong because Oregon has 2 then (BSU & OSU), OSU has 1 (PSU) and Tennessee has 1 (Bama) and that make 4 while he claimed it was 3.

[@mattschwartz7583]

And those are 4 top 10 teams only byu and bama out of the top 5 and Bama has no top 10 wins, only a top 10 loss. I don't get the comparison.

[@gk8334]

The Fightin' Heather Diniches back with another installment.

[@KetchupinOhio]

As an Ohio State fan, just wanted to say that, so you can take that as it is. But I am wondering about the SEC Championship game, looking at the standings, it seems (with no "upsets") the winner of Texas and Texas A&M is in and then if Tennessee beats Georgia then they are in. But for fun if Texas wins and Georgia wins, it looks like Ole Miss would be in 2nd place as the best of the 2 loss teams. As they have not lost to the other 2 loss teams and have a win against Georgia. In summary, no matter who wins the Texas and Texas A&M, only the winner gets in, and then it would be Tennessee if they win and Ole Miss if they lose. In the big ten in the top 4 right now for the 0 and 1 loss teams, only OSU plays all 3 (2 on the road), where as the others only play 1 and only Indiana plays on the road, so Penn State and Oregon only play OSU and play at home.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Someone made a model based on the SEC's requirements that predicts all the tiebreaker scenarios. I think it showed that if no upsets occur, the SEC title would likely be Alabama vs Texas. A&M and Mizzou would have 2 SEC losses, but basically no relevant tiebreakers. Tennessee losing to UGA would create a 3-way tie between those 2 and Bama. Tenn has the head-to-head over Bama, but the other 5 tiebreaker criteria would favor Bama's harder schedule + better relative wins. The tie fight between UGA and Bama would be close. Bama has the head-to-head but UGA might win it if they clear some of the other 5 criteria. Ole Miss has the tiebreaker over UGA, but no other relevant wins and a middling SEC SoS.

[@Stoneador]

The point of the expanded playoff should be to allow more undefeated and 1 loss teams a chance to compete for a national title. Georgia’s schedule is very tough, but going 3/6 against top 30 teams isn’t necessarily more impressive than an Indiana team only losing to the 2nd best team in the country if that’s what it comes down to. No team should be guaranteed a spot with 2 losses and 3 loss teams should only make it if they win the conference or if there’s enough chaos throughout the rest of the sport.

[@Jacob-jj8gi]

I’ll admit, the argument that the playoffs might not work out fairly because of strength of schedule doesn’t sway me much. Take Penn State as an example, most years a schedule featuring WVU, USC, Washington, OSU, and Wisconsin, with 3 of those on the road, is daunting but it just so happens that most of those teams are in down years. The schedules are set so far in advance that all a program can do is speculate on how good their opponents will be and it’s hard for me to punish them when it’s out of their control. Indiana has Washington, Michigan, and OSU on their schedule; most years that’s a respectable schedule. The only thing teams can control is beating who is on their schedule and if they’re playing good programs in down years, so be it. There’s a lot of luck in sports but it only matters if you’re prepared to take advantage of it.

[@chrissholes5471]

You guys are great. What a mess that CFL has designed such a poor playoff system. Thanks for the insight.

[@davidgibson8484]

Either have a 20 team playoff where 13-20 have a play in game or cut to 11 games have a 28 team playoff with 4 byes or a 32 tram playoff.

[@danielc5171]

I don’t understand wanting to tear down the system and start over to give 4 auto bids to SEC/B10 when that would just give the same result as what’s happening this year.

[@TomP1553]

It seems like Josh and Daniel very much take the same approach as the committee of 'eye test' and just rank by who they think is best and not by actual results. Makes me wonder what the point of the regular seasons games even are anymore if merit is given so little consideration.

[@TomP1553]

In addition, I don't think I've heard either of them speak to the massive benefit the SEC teams get from poll inertia, where so many start ranked in preseason polls and then even if they lose they drop minimally compared to teams from any other conferences and on the other side of the coin get credit for a bunch of 'ranked wins' when other teams have no 'ranked wins' as Daniel highlighted, because the teams they beat plummet out of the rankings.

[@drewc771]

Dude, agree with them or not...they talk about and show metrics and data constantly, which are entirely based on results. That's literally the opposite of eye test.

[@drewc771]

@@TomP1553 The media polls are meaningless. That stuff used to matter, but has no affect any more.

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@drewc771 no, data is the eye test! Only looking at the loss column is how you really judge teams! (Sarcasm)

[@tyrelllee8096]

SEC take note Penn state might get a playoff home game, without beating a ranked team on its schedule

[@larryizpr0]

So what. They have #28 schedule according to CFP. Teams may not be ranked but let's not act like it's a terrible schedule. They actually scheduled a road P4 conference game and dominated in week 1 which week 1 games are extremely hard for anyone. How many of those sec teams scheduled a p4 opponent in a non neutral site? Bama, tennessee, and idk who else 🤷. Your issue should be with Indiana not PSU who would beat most of the SEC and would be in a pick em game with the top 3.

[@Maverick_682]

And then get the 🥾 in the first round when they face real talent.

[@knothyselfknotruth]

The teams they beat are no longer ranked because they beat them genius.

[@jacobtherobertson]

@@larryizpr0 WV isnt good. Without a doubt GA plays a harder schedule, which is the team in question of being left out. No argument.

[@JayTide]

​@larryizpr0 so full of it. Penn State does have an easy schedule and they never beat top 10 teams, ever.

[@zachmueller2650]

I agree with your logic on the conference champion auto bids and the resulting hypothetical where a Tennessee or Georgia is left out for a nobody. Not sure why the SEC and Big10 agreed to this in the first place.

[@evanrussell4211]

They accepted it kicking and screaming. They had a lot of talk making their own playoff system outside the rest of college football.

[@adamfuller5640]

@@evanrussell4211they are the problem. Superconferences see stupid not everyone gets to play each other. Dissolve the conferences!

[@jonwalter6317]

I was against the automatic qualifiers from the start, but everyone I know wanted it.

[@larryizpr0]

It's quite comical as a PSU fan that people are now worried about games actually mattering. Where was this energy for PSU who beat OSU and then went on destroyed everyone to a B1G championship and got left out in favor of the team they beat? Now we want to cry about it. Also I don't care where tennessee or Bama is cause PSU gonna get a home game in HV and beat whoever anyway. CFP has them #6 for me that's all that matters. Psu will be top 7 to 5 at the end of season as long as they win out. Yes I think PSU can beat bama and tennessee they're all pretty much dead even. I dont care if so and so beat this team. I'm confident they'd be pick em on a neutral field. Last time I checked bama and tennessee aren't named OSU which PSU has issues with. WeAre

[@stephenlight647]

That 2016 CFP appearance would have changed our trajectory…oh well..Fight On! #WeAre

[@larryizpr0]

​@stephenlight647 absolutely 💯 now games matter 🙄

[@dariuswilliams3206]

@@stephenlight647no, no it wouldn’t. It didn’t change the trajectory for TCU, Michigan st, Cincinnati, Washington twice.

[@dariuswilliams3206]

PSU doesn’t have an OSU problem. They have an anyone with a pulse problem.

[@larryizpr0]

Thats a lie ​@@dariuswilliams3206

[@Suowooo]

Love the videos. Want to see more

[@Blaze_nDownHur]

While I get the “We (B1G/SEC) need to have 4 slots” argument no one forced these conferences to expand, just saying.

[@jamessanders2785]

Make ncaa football like European soccer and add relegation.