College Football Top 12 Rankings - Week 13 - Ohio State #1?

[@KeepChoppin]

Huge credit to these guys. This is the first SEC channel that will discuss the Texas schedule.

[@JustN0pe3]

Texas is Texas not SEC. The Big12 can have that trash back. I'm sure they bought that schedule, seeing what happened to OK's schedule

[@drew7155]

Anit-texas hate is obvious. I doubt your team could beat Michigan, Florida Arkansas and Vandy on the road.

[@drewc771]

I watch a lot of these types of podcast. Too many, lol. But enough to know this isn't true. Lots of people talk about Texas's schedule, SEC, non-SEC, etc.

[@ericmontoya8223]

@@drewc771 I agree. Everyone is talking about it, which is fair.

[@KeepChoppin]

@drewc771 I guess my KZbin algorithm is different than yours 😁

[@BrianGlaze]

To address the IU situation, I'll share what I said elsewhere: The solution is for all teams to play the weakest schedule possible so that everyone has the best opportunity to go 12-0 in the regular season. That's the logical conclusion of only determining ranking by who's record is cleaner.

[@Nberente5]

Yeah just like Texas

[@iggyignorant]

@@Nberente5 have you tried thinking before sharing

[@Nberente5]

@@iggyignorant username checks out. Stats and record are proof, no thinking necessary. Thinking is why they’re over ranked in the playoff race

[@nickkyg]

@@Nberente5 the pot calling the kettle black. both Indiana and Texas are over ranked. you can have your flowers when you are undefeated (or in Texas' case, sitting on top of the SEC because you drew one team in the top half so far), but with those weak schedules, if you drop another, or in Indianas case, the only team that keeps your SoS from bottom 10, your resume wont stack up against the top 4 in the SEC.

[@Nberente5]

@ I’m a Buckeye fan chief

[@dmdubb3129]

Ohio state literally almost lost to Nebraska who is 5-5 AT HOME, the team who Indiana blew out 56-7, what do you mean they don’t have a similar struggle game to Oregons?

[@AB-im4vs]

Oregon’s game at Wisconsin was also the last of an 8 game stretch with no bye, the longest in the country. I’d chalk it up to fatigue more than anything.

[@dandawson1982]

lol nobody was EVER worried about Nebraska, even though the score looked close.

[@nicholaskling2425]

@@dandawson1982Nebraska was leading in the 4th quarter

[@Chrismatica]

@@AB-im4vsplease stop with this narrative lmao. Oregon has played virtually no road game of any consequence.

[@dmdubb3129]

@ you saying “wE wErEnT wOrRiEd aBouT neBrAsKa” isn’t gonna change the fact that The score was close and the game was close. Ohio st was down in that forth Q and Nebraska had the ball and had an opportunity to win the game on the last drive. So idc what YOU think, I’m going off of how the game went. They had a struggle game with a bad Nebraska team AT HOME, and that is literally comparable, and worst actually than Oregon struggling on the road

[@silentchaos4427]

Will you guys do a SEC championship contenders analysis?

[@KeepChoppin]

The B1G should be punished because the good teams beat the bad teams. The SEC should be rewarded because the bad teams beat the good teams.

[@jacksonklark6119]

@@KeepChoppin exactly bro

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

Ok SEC hater. Your conference is inferior cope harder. Top to bottom the SEC has good teams. It’s mathematically proven too. Getting penalized for playing a tougher more entertaining schedule is not how it should be.

[@nateakins]

@@Aaron-wq3jz vandy is good even tho they lost to georgia state what conf are they in?

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

@ vandy is a bowl eligible team. Which half of the big 10 can not claim today

[@Atown7614]

@@Aaron-wq3jzsure but you should be rewarded for losing?

[@matta9316]

OSU has some serious line injuries - worth watching moving forward

[@LivinTheDream-z1s]

OSU has been rotating 8 o-lineman all year with injuries. The starter at center last year is a solid replacement. I’m getting the sense that this injury and the Indy Cinderella story are getting OSU Very focused on this game. Some people actually think Indy can win🤷‍♂️. Anything can happen, but after watching a D-line for Michigan just man handle the Hoosiers o-line in the second half…Jim Knowles is going to bring the noise early and often. 34-17 Buckeyes…

[@Mar88cus]

@@LivinTheDream-z1sI agree osu will beat IU but their sights are set beyond that. It will be very difficult to beat elite teams with that line. Also, I expect IU to be aggressive. They have something to prove. They lead the big ten in sacks and I imagine they’ll try to get a few more on Saturday

[@dmdubb3129]

It’s also convient that you give Vanderbilt credit instead of dinging Alabama for losing that game, but completely ignore that, that same team lost to Georgia state. Let that have been any non sec team that did that, you would knock them for losing to a team with Vanderbilt status

[@JayTide]

Vanderbilt would probably make the championship game in the Big 12 or ACC. They've been horrible historically but this year they've got 3 SEC wins and a win against a power 4 noncon opponent, Virginia Tech. They're a 3 point OT loss to Missouri, another top 25 team, from being 7-3.

[@dmdubb3129]

@ and this is the delusion that I talk about with SEC fans. You just spewed all of that, but conviently left out that they lost to GEORGIA ST. And need I remind you, Georgia st is currently 2-8. Besides Alabama, they haven’t beaten a p5 team with a winning record. You sec fans swear top teams would come to the SEC and lose 4 games, but Texas A&M, who was average in the B12 came in the conference, first year went 11-2 and had a heisman winner. Mizzou went to back to back Sec championship games their first 3 years, and Texas is otw to the SEC championship most likely. Every time a team comes into that conference, they instantly have success. So stop thinking that these mid tier SEC teams are gonna dominate and other conferences. It’s a myth that you lunatics like to run with.

[@jacksonklark6119]

@@dmdubb3129 Thanks for pointing this out the sec is overrated.

[@PHUnkel66]

@@dmdubb3129 Who do you have winning the NC? a friend wants to know.

[@dmdubb3129]

@ I honestly don’t know. I feel like anyone in the top 10 has a shot, I don’t feel like it’s a team that’s overtly better than the rest of the field like years prior

[@Sean-bu1kc]

Josh, you nailed it with the Texas analysis. As a Penn State fan, I always agreed with what you said about our schedule. The only thing I wanted to see was the same attention be paid to Texas’s schedule. Love you nerds, best college football page on KZbin by far

[@MrJerzeydevil]

Texas schedule is def better than PSU, but their wins are about the same. PSU played OSU, that’s all. Texas played Michigan, Georgia and Texas A&M…plus a possible sec chip game. Big difference imo

[@drew7155]

​@@MrJerzeydeviland Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Florida on the road. No way PSU getting through that without catching a couple Ls. Oh... and lets go ahead and take a look at A&M schedule. Nobody seems to wMt to do that.

[@MrJerzeydevil]

@@drew7155 A&M actually played someone this year. They played ND and will play Texas. And they played SC and LSU. Teams with an actual pulse lol

[@nateakins]

@@drew7155 all 3 teams u just mentioned are garbage they would def not beat psu get over urself... why is everyone thinking vandy is good bc they beat a mediocre alabama team. georgia state is 2-8 right now

[@7even4orce]

@@MrJerzeydevil Penn State's schedule is objectively better than Texas's schedule.

[@stephenHablinski]

Texas fan here. Just wanted to say that your analysis is totally fair and spot on

[@tjb319]

These are the best rankings - they actually make sense.

[@josiel.delgadillo]

As a PSU fan who’s biased and is trying to pay attention to the entire bracket, your rankings and arguments have improved week to week guys. Awesome work, I was critical at first but this is much better and improved. My only gripe is how high Texas is but no bracket will be perfect and I can live with it. Also how the seeding is unfair is exceptionally true.

[@Jacob-jj8gi]

Im not in favor of making structural changes to how the rankings work, especially for the SEC ranked lower than B1G argument, because I think the situation with the B1G is a temporary issue. Penn State is often used as an example of this schedule disparity but in most years, a schedule that features @WVU, @USC, @Wisconsin, OSU, Washington is a darn tough schedule. There are a lot of years where the SEC is top heavy like the B1G is this year and I would caution people against making big changes because these things are cyclical.

[@7even4orce]

This is one of the best takes I've read on this situation.

[@dariuswilliams3206]

I agree, if I had to make a suggestion, opponents record should play a part in this.

[@kevinchandler179]

This dude is frickin crying about the reason 😭 there is no dominant team in the SEC!!!! WE ARE, enough said

[@JustN0pe3]

Penn Dame!

[@JL_27]

I would be really interested in learning how to make a model like you guys do. I love the way you use a conglomerate of different models to build your arguments and get a more complete picture of the teams

[@kylesanborn8161]

Oregon played 8 games in a row between bye’s, (only team to do that in CFB, I’m pretty sure), with the last two games coming against two teams coming off of byes, on the road at night in November, without their leading receiver, best pass rusher/edge setter, and starting guard. Like if you wanna talk context that’s cool but talk context if you are going to compare these Wisconsin games

[@CoastalSpark23]

Yep, only team to do that. I’ve give Oregon credit considering how long they played without a bye and they played their C- game at best against Wisconsin.

[@kevinchandler179]

Well, Oregon fan, you make good points, but as a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, it's hilarious because they said when we went to Camp Randall night 🌙 game, we are on upset alert, and close game in the first half, and we lost our starting quarterback and, Beau came in, and we pulled away, and defense dominated, and the score didn't indicate how we controlled that game!!! My point is, my Nittany Lions 🦁 and Oregon are very good, but any given Saturday you can be beat, and both teams won in Camp Randall night game!!! WE ARE, would love to meet up with Oregon eventually in the playoffs!!!! Thanks, good night everyone

[@MrCow-ir4gw]

My top 12: 1) Oregon, Don’t do the same thing everyone did to Washington last year when they barely beat Oregon. They beat Wisconsin on 8 consecutive weeks with no rest in one of the toughest night environments. 2) Ohio st, they’re good, let them earn their ranking over Oregon should they play again in the championship game. This is where it gets tough… 3) Georgia, they’ve got a head to head against Texas, and a better resume than Alabama, and they’re all about equal in my mind. 4) Alabama, If Texas loses I’ll put them over Georgia. 5) Texas, the only reason they’re above Indiana is the Michigan game. They deserve credit for a blowout win there. Thank you for pointing out their schedule. I feel like everyone loves to point at Indiana when there’s many teams that have an equal or worse resume with a loss. 6) Indiana, They will be number 2 next week if they win…if they lose though I don’t know. 7) Penn st, if Ohio st loses they should be in trouble…they won’t be but they should be. 8) Ole Miss, I don’t like their schedule either but they beat Georgia so here we are. 9) Notre Dame, They can’t lose again. 10) Tennessee, idk what to make of them at this point. 11) Boise State, Who else are you gonna put up here, Miami? Don’t make me laugh 12) SMU, idk who else to put here man.

[@JayTide]

That's a reasonable list IMO.

[@Chrismatica]

We retroactively making excuses for oregon playing close to wisconsin and almost losing? They arent good. And have played no road games this year.

[@MrCow-ir4gw]

@@Chrismatica every team has warts this year, and they have the head to head against the number 2 team. Who would you put over them?

[@MrCow-ir4gw]

@@JayTide Thanks man, this is my first year trying to post a ranking every week and it’s been a good learning experience.

[@lukekrell5665]

1. Oregon 2. Indiana 3. Ohio State 4. Texas 5. Penn State 6. Ole Miss. 7. Alabama 8. Notre Dame 9.Georgia 10. Miami 11. Tennessee 12. Boise

[@mikemike7688]

Here is an idea. Rank the entire game college landscape from unbeaten to no wins. Rank them by losses. Then everyone with the same won-loss. Rank them by eye test and SOS. 50%_50% on those ratings. Do this for two years. Everyone will schedule pancake games. This will force everyone back out of super conferences. All the big teams will want their old hat back.

[@TravelinOn-tb9hy]

This was a great video, best I've seen on the discussion of playoff rankings. The only caveat perhaps can't be avoided, which is that both Tennessee and South Carolina are probably better than Penn State, Indiana and Miami. Reminds me of Georgia high school football where some regions are loaded and the 4th seed is better than another region's first seed, and some pretty solid teams get left out, etc.

[@ericdulyon4601]

Great show fellas

[@Texinga]

It really bugs me that you guys believe losing to bad teams is easier to dismiss than losing to good teams.

[@KeepChoppin]

It is odd. Losing to a crap team should have more weight than beating a "good" team that also lost to a crap team. The SEC is just a round robin of not very good teams this year. Nobody wants to acknowledge the truth.

[@PurpleHazeVanNederlands]

Those teams also actually beat good teams which is something Franklin is incapable of

[@JustN0pe3]

​@@KeepChoppinOhio St lost to a bad team.

[@7even4orce]

Guys, sound analysis regarding Penn State, Texas, and Indiana. One correction for you guys, as Penn State fan, Illinois is ranked, so please stop saying they only played one ranked team.

[@MrJerzeydevil]

That’s because their schedule is weak lol

[@7even4orce]

@ bro that’s a casual take. Check their strength of schedule per FPI, then get back to me.

[@MrJerzeydevil]

@@7even4orce Yall have double digit losses to the only 2 ranked teams Yall played. Gave up 49 to Purdue. Started the year off playing county college football teams and finish the year off against NW. Only scored 21 on a .500 Michigan team that has zero offense. What exactly is casual about my take. I have you pure facts. No emo

[@JustN0pe3]

@@7even4orce You're hanging your massive victory on 7-3 Illinois who just got ranked because other teams lost? Desperate much?

[@7even4orce]

@@MrJerzeydevil bro we’re not even having the same conversation. I’m talking about Penn State’s strength of schedule, what are you talking about?

[@okrajoe]

I'm a Bama fan... and I'm here for that Tide ranking! I hope you are both right.

[@KosisochiIfediba]

Also I think we are underrated. But there’s still more I’ve gotta see from the offense and defense before I see top 3-4 rankings! RTR!

[@JustN0pe3]

Just lost to Okiedookie. See you next week

[@joshnaddor7401]

I have no idea how to effectively rank anyone. I just hope the conference champions getting byes ceases to exist when they rework the playoffs. Miami, BYU, Boise, Colorado, SMU, and Arizona State are NOT deserving of a bye.

[@tarzn_worx]

That is the plan w the 16 team Playoff

[@mbd501]

However, another purpose of the bye is to reward them for having already played and won a 13th game. At-large teams wouldn't have done that. So it evens out the total number of games played.

[@johnbochenek5526]

Good discussion guys. The next two weeks are going to be great.

[@JM-wf2to]

Boise should absolutely be the 4 seed ahead of Colorado in that scenario. Colorado has two losses, got handled by a bad nebraska team and boise st has a 3 point loss to the number one team in the nation and a top 25 win over washington st i believe as well.

[@Dayz671]

2:36 To be fair to Oregon and if we are playing what if they got a pick on OSU first drive of the game but wasn't called as such which would have taken 7 points off the board.

[@yoshimua8318]

Anyone who mentions OSU’s game against Nebraska as any indicator doesn’t know ball. It was clear that OSU was trying to test out some concepts and roles with the new O-Line in the game. If you watch the game, OSU was not even playing 100%, they were clearly testing out the new O-Line.

[@TravelinOn-tb9hy]

As a Dawgs fan, I can't argue with that. Kirby does that a lot, and people wonder this or that game wasn't a blowout, etc.

[@felixcharles9773]

They’re gonna have a new line again this Saturday with their center out, only IU is much better than Nebraska

[@yoshimua8318]

@@felixcharles9773 yes they have a new O-Line and yes Indiana is better, but OSU won’t need to test out new players mid game because they have practice this week so it won’t be an in-game change or test.

[@yoshimua8318]

@@TravelinOn-tb9hy yes exactly - there are very few teams that have a deep blue chip roster who can afford to test new concepts mid-game. You see this often with teams who have high blue chip rosters like OSU, Georgia and others.

[@austintacius]

Stetson Bennett the 10th complained that Lexington was too cold in November and used it as an excuse for barely beating UK... UGA or (especially) Miami at Penn State mid December would be great TV.. even the ABC crew was dragging Tennessee for needing the sideline heaters at 51 degrees.

[@chasejackson7248]

This is big boy football no one cares about the cold.

[@Talizzell913]

What a waste of time watching this madness. Everybody knows better than the true experts. 🤦🏾‍♂️ Penn state at 7 😂😂😂

[@TravelinOn-tb9hy]

First off, both these polls are far more accurate than the debacle produced by the committee. I agree with Daniel on the slight difference between the two, but hats off to both. Now I'll watch the rest of the video.

[@RB-.-]

Something has to be done to centralize scheduling and make sure everybody a.) plays at least some semblance of a fair share & b.) has enough big time games to make sure we don't go into week 13 still searching for data points like Indiana, Miami, Penn State and Texas.

[@Soopology]

*Everything doesn't need to be looked at because it doesn't fall beautifully within that year. Next year, it'll be a different issue. You'll never have it completely fair with any postseason system in college football. Indiana may host a home game this year, and thats okay. Go beat them if you're better than them.*

[@dedratrs]

We have to go back to divisions in the SEC and Big10. I could see a situation where we end up with 20 teams in each conference, and then having four divisions with five teams each. The inequality of the schedules under the current format is not sustainable long term. You will get a couple of teams in the SEC/Big10 every single year that play a full conference schedule against the bottom half if something is not changed.

[@ericmontoya8223]

The criticism of Texas is fair, but having Bama ranked in the top 5 is crazy. They are going to lose in Norman on Sat.

[@CollegeFootballNerds]

Why is it crazy

[@ericmontoya8223]

@@CollegeFootballNerds It's true that Alabama has some good wins but they have two loses. One to a mediocre team and one to a team that is mediocre on offense, so it's a mixed bag. While I understand the SOS schedule argument, there is nothing definitive about it. Just because a team hasn't beat a good team doesn't mean they are incapable. Some teams haven't had the chance to have a mixed bag season like Alabama. So, imo, I think deferring to conference and record is warranted until the end of the season when everything has played out. The last part was just a troll. haha

[@JustN0pe3]

Good call

[@mwrobins11]

Appreciate the consistency. Everyone wants to bury Indiana, but the same critiques can be applied to Psu and Texas. I hope Indiana can be competitive with Osu and get their chance in the playoff.

[@tarzn_worx]

But people can, fairly or not, view both UT and PSU and see a pattern from previous years and anticipate who they are. So you can see a pattern with them, then IU shows up in scene with a new staff and tons of new players blowing out teams. But their SoS of around 100th, meaning they COULD be a paper tiger. And IU has the most losses of any FBS team in the history of college football, so maybe show up and fight against tOSU. I want to see a great game! And I would rather enjoy an IU win! 😂

[@larryizpr0]

How do you guys give credit to Bama going to Wisconsin during the day and in a game where Wisconsin lost their Starting QB a good win but PSU doesnt get credit for it when they won with a back up QB , OT, and DE who didnt play the second half and won by 2 scores in a night game. Why does penn state never get credit 😂. You guys do this routinely with SEC teams. Everyone and their mom can play the same team but you guys will go through mental gymnastics to make it seem like SEC did it so much better and that the other teams struggled or looked bad until you look at the context of how the game played out. As a PSU fan I expect nothing less. I want nothing more but for PSU to win out and get a home game. Just to see people cry about it. I look at what youre saying like this. If PSU or any big 10 team had Vandy, SC, LSU ( who lost to USC), kentucky, Arkansas. And they lost to anyone of them. You would not be making excuses for losing to those teams. You'd be absolutely punishing them. SEC teams for years have been propped up by the media and they always get these rankings yet most years they cant beat anyone out of conference bowl game wise or preseason. None of those teams are locks to beat IND. PSU. ND. Etc. Especially when fanduap has the matchup as pickems.

[@TakeNotesUS]

Honestly Penn State is always the go-to "punching bag" for CFB media and talking heads. Notre Dame is usually a close second that people love to sh*t on. I believe it's because everyone resorts to saying Penn State "loses to OSU and Michigan every year and beat everyone else" since it's said be literally everyone and an easy way to summarize the season for casuals. Historically the national media has screwed Penn State out of many National Titles back in the day so it goes a long ways back.

[@JustN0pe3]

​@@TakeNotesUSThey get treated the same because they are treated the same. Both tend to lose the games that matter and beat up a bunch of nobodies. Yet both always get ranked high for some reason. Think there's some similarities between them.

[@TimothyJohnson-lx4ct]

Break each power 4 conference in half and create divisions that can be rotated yearly. The big ten has 18 teams so that's two divisions of 9 teams. The teams in the division would play each other once, plus play one team from the other division. That's 9 games. They can still have their tune up games or rivalry games with 3 games remaining available. Get rid of the conference championship games and reward the division winners automatic bids. That's 8 guaranteed spots for the power 4. Expand the playoffs to 24 and play the first 16 the same weekend as conference championships. The group or 5 will have 3 guaranteed spots in the tournament if they finish the season ranked. If they finish ranked inside the top 24 they are almost guaranteed to make the 24 team playoff anyways. If the playoffs were set up like this right now, there would be 4 group of five teams in the playoffs. The college football committee would select who gets a first round bye. First round byes are reserved for division champions. They would also select all the remaining teams to make the field and their matchups. They could do a huge segment on TV just like college basketball. If they eliminated the conference championships and added 24 teams, it would make the season at most 17 games. I see no issue with this considering the NCAA will be paying players starting in 2026. If Boise State ends up going 11-1 they would have technically won their division in the way I have it set up. They could still get a bye in the 24 team playoff. Play the first round in the same stadiums the conference championships would have been held. Reward the bye teams with a home playoff game in the second round. The remaining games would all be natural fields just like the first round. The conferences that receive automatic bids all have what I call final four rights. All of these conferences have made the traditional 4 team playoff. The PAC 12 would still have final four rights once they have at least 8 teams in the conference. They can gain a second automatic bid when they reach 16 teams. This will encourage more expansion and growth throughout the final four rights conferences. I wouldn't have more than 20 per conference. The group of five can earn final four rights if a team from their conference reaches the final four. That will grant the conference a automatic bid or two automatic bids if they have 16 or more teams. That would encourage more teams to transfer to a new conference with final four rights. It would control and help direct realignment

[@TomP1553]

Notable Penn State hater Josh says Illinois is not a good team and then goes on to try to use Missouri as a reason why 'Bama has a strong schedule. Can't make this stuff up.

[@chrisburd9751]

post games - you were right. Ohio State should be number 1.

[@NateFennelly]

I’m writing an article about this but I’ll shorthand it just to see your take. If you aren’t explicitly a fan of the SEC the concept of fairness isn’t really something that people really should consider. The sport is inherently unfair to begin with and is built for the SEC teams to succeed before the season even begins. SEC has recruiting hotbeds, warmer weather for recruits, historical ties to programs, in some cases absurd amounts of money and donor bases. This results in a completely disproportionate dispersion in talent that is impossible to reconcile except for a few various teams in other conferences that have some of these equivalencies. So the point is if we were playing monopoly and the SEC gets to start with a hotel on board walk and 10x the amount of money. You think non-fans actually care if one of the players gets a few lucky rolls and gets some nice chance cards? Like why do I care if Indiana got an easier schedule this year by chance? They can’t really help that they play both teams in the title game from last year and both those teams regressed. I think CFB is significantly more fun when teams get lucky every once in awhile. If we actually want to care about fairness maybe the SEC should hand over a few 5 stars. Because at this point the game is already rigged before the season starts and it isn’t really ever going to change.

[@NateFennelly]

And not only are they built to succeed they only have to play 11 games because in week 10 they can just choose to play st marys school for the blind. It’s really hard for myself as a fan of the sport in its entirety and not explicitly the SEC to really care at all if something doesn’t go the SECs way.

[@Aaron-wq3jz]

Don’t be mad because ur best athletes play different sports

[@NateFennelly]

@ what does this response even mean?

[@JustN0pe3]

Indiana has more in control of their schedule than the SEC has control of their location and weather. If Indiana wanted to be taken more seriously, schedule better OFC teams. They 100% have control of that part of their schedule. Fairness is an AD from the B1G properly ranking teams and not placing all the B1G teams in a spot where they get home playoff games. Fairness is properly scheduling teams so they aren't given a free path to the playoffs cough "Penn St" cough cough "TX' cough. Get off your soft horse and stop looking for hand outs. This sport is so broken right now with autobids and nobody knowing how to make a schedule or properly rank teams. "Luck" isn't the answer. Just ask TCU with all their last min luck wins in their regular season and their lucky calls against Michigan... Then they played Georgia in the most god awful Championship game of any type I've ever seen. Just give me the 8 best teams, no auto bids and have them fight it out.

[@NateFennelly]

@@JustN0pe3 I’m not sure you understood my position. I’m saying this sport is very much designed to benefit the SEC inherently. I don’t actually have a problem with it because CFB is great I just don’t pretend that fairness is part of this sport in any way. That was my point where if one conference (including the top part of the big ten) starts with a hotel on boardwalk I just don’t really care if something happens to them unfairly. If that makes sense.

[@Hadaboo1996]

These guys will literally sit here and champion and use their model as a reference point, that has Georgia at 14th. I can’t with these dudes

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

To be fair, they frequently say their model is a just an interesting reference and not something to take hyper serious. They use it in their matchup comparisons and even chuckle with some of the scores it projects. They’re open about its quirks. 🤷🏻

[@JayTide]

They used advanced statistics. What they say is data driven. If you just want to hear what you want to hear about your team these aren't your guys.

[@MichaelBarker1]

Id love to see an ole miss Florida breakdown since the model doesn't account for Lagway

[@iykykyle]

Buckeye fans gonna love this...Me, I'm buckeyes fan

[@travissullivan6575]

If you flip the road v home for Oregon v tOSU, it would be a big noon kickoff, and tOSU would lose any home advantage. It would essentially be neutral field, which I would still give to tOSU, but still.

[@caseyschoenleber1760]

Every point josh made here was 🎯

[@jefferyward7026]

Insane that we judge Texas but isn’t their strength of schedule better than 6 other teams in the playoff contention?

[@robertfredericks3139]

I think the tOSU v Nebraska game is pretty similiar to the UO v Wiscy game honestly. I agree that tOSU likely is better, but I think Texas, UGA, and Tennessee are all on that level with tOSU and UO. I'd also love to hear if you think Tulane deserves consideration over Boise State.

[@kev614]

i agree but i’d take Tennessee out that conversation. they haven’t looked like a championship contender at any point this season

[@ethanpinafitness]

I would understand the Penn state hate more if they didn’t almost beat Ohio state. They lost by a score, but didn’t score twice on like the 2 yd line. If you think Ohio state is elite and top 2 team, then Penn state is near them. They’ve handled their business which other teams have not.

[@JM-wf2to]

The auto bid feature is the root of all of this vitriol towards teams being left out. If they didnt have to add a conf champs then theyd be free to pick best teams then seed based on rank, not conr championships

[@drewc771]

Daniel said Ohio St doesn't have a game like Oregon's game against Wisconsin. Yes, they do. Nebraska. For a power ranking, I'm completely with Ohio St over Oregon. But for the CFP ranking, Oregon needs to stay #1, imho.

[@MyNamesNotOlaph]

I tried to put this into words but it was way too long. A huge issue this year is the top two conferences have a good amount of teams with 8-9 P4 games which makes comparison harder and also for the top levels teams makes going 1-2 losses easy. 10 P4 games should be a requirement. I respect the hell out of LSU, USC, UGA, Penn State actually reaching that number even if it made life worse for all of them.

[@lukekrell5665]

I think its inexcusable to have Ole Miss below Georgia the way they handled them the last time Ole Miss was on the field.

[@hinglemccringleberry8478]

Let ‘em rematch without 15 injured Georgia players n see what happens

[@davida730]

You can't only look at head-to-head. UGA beat Tennessee. Tennessee beat Bama. Bama beat UGA. Ole Miss beat UGA but lost to currently unranked LSU and Kentucky.

[@davidgibson8484]

GA beat 2 top 10 teams 1 on the road. Their 2 losses are to top 10 teams on the road. Ole Miss beat 1 top 10 team at home. Their losses are to 4 loss LSU and 6 loss KY. Both have beaten a top 20 team. There are other factors, I can see it either way. But don't believe the committee when they say strength of schedule matters.

[@hinglemccringleberry8478]

@ Kiffin is praying he doesn’t have a rematch

[@hinglemccringleberry8478]

@@davida730 ole miss would have 3-4 losses with Georgias schedule

[@robertfredericks3139]

Okay, well it isn't really fair to ding IU on conference SoS. 1, they don't set it, 2, in August it looked like a murderers row, both teams that played for the natty the year before, plus tOSU. Sometimes weird things happen and teams fall off, but at least they are winning their games.

[@JustN0pe3]

They schedule their OFC games

[@davidsalinas8023]

Take away the conference logos and compare: Conference teams in FPI top 50 - Conf A: 66% Conf B: 62%. Teams with top 15 blue chip ratio- conf A:5, conf B:7, Teams at .500 or above- conf A:13, conf B:12. Top 20 coaches: conf A:6, conf B:8. Like it is not that the SEC is much or any better, but they are not 4:1 teams in the top 5 worse.

[@quakerdevil08]

I would put Oregon above OSU due to the fact that OSU just lost their best olineman for the season to injury after all the others they've already suffered. Going to be near impossible to overcome.

[@MarthaBennett-t8u]

It seems like the Buckeyes are playing in another "Game of the year.". How many does it take to be #1?😮

[@Number3boyz]

Ohio state is legit and you want to know why? #1 defense/ red zone defense is crazy also. #2 there offense red zone is number 1.

[@mwrobins11]

Also, why do you guys have Uga over Ole Miss???

[@bradonelkins687]

Fan duel already dropped the point spread for those hypothetical games and every single opening game other than osu that was a “-21” point spread I think against byu was the sec teams “-1.5” so they aren’t going to be favored by 10 … just wanna see the almighty sec teams come up to play in the cold 😂

[@toddwebb7521]

tOSU lost to Oregon head to head, so definitely no way they are ahead of them.

[@TakeNotesUS]

25:45 Penn State has only finished 9-3 ONCE in the Franklin Era (past 10 seasons + this one). Now finishing 10-2 a bunch? Yes. 9-3? No.

[@LeeSilver-u7g]

Whatcha gonna say if Indiana beats Ohio State by two touchdowns? Just asking.

[@JustN0pe3]

Guess we'll never know

[@SRV89Fender]

Thoughts on Bama now?

[@KeepChoppin]

They will still have them in the top 5. Oklahoma is a "quality loss."

[@SRV89Fender]

@ exactly.

[@stephenlight647]

Oh boy… you stuck a stick in the SEC hornets nest! May the good Lord preserve you!! And yes, Boise State is the better team.

[@robertfredericks3139]

To Colorado getting left out of the bye... I think they would earn the bye, because they are getting hot at the right time, and if they win out they will have some good wins along the way. Sorry for the double comment but I had to react specifically to you asking for a comment on the Colorado thing.

[@draycon530]

Just completely ignoring the OSU/Nebraska game which OSU had a very, very real chance of losing. This right after Nebraska got destroyed by Indiana.

[@Chrismatica]

Granted that was after the offensive line shuffle for OSU. It looked much better the following weeks.

[@greenearth975]

​@Chrismatica Only big brands get the credit for this kind of context. I guarantee you if SMU lost the ACC Championship people won't be talking about their injuries.

[@A_Fool]

guys... you just can't rank an undefeated Oregon that beat Ohio state under Ohio state just because "you think" Ohio State is better. By that logic, last year's national champion is Miami of Ohio. I know they didn't beat anyone good, but regardless of what happened on the field, all season, sorry I just THINK they were the best, so they are national champions now.

[@Aaron-qm4fl]

1 Oregon - self explanatory 2 Ohio State - again self explanatory 3 Ole Miss - this is gonna be controversial and that’s okay, they’re playing probably the best ball in America out of the bye, they just dog walked Georgia by 3 scores (and it could’ve been much MUCH worse) so the fact that you 2 and a large majority of people around the country have Georgia over them is ludicrous. 4. Indiana - idk if they’re better than the next 2 teams but they have similarly weak schedules, just no loss, will reevaluate next week 5. Notre dame - the loss, yes I know, horrible. But these cats are playing some unreal football right now and I don’t envision that stopping, playoff lock at this point 6. Penn State - winning a lot of games but lost to the best team they played, their loss is better than Texas IMO 7. Texas - winning a lot of games but bad schedule and lost to the only good team they’ve played 8. Georgia - head to head with Tennessee and honestly I know Bama won but Georgia was on the cusp, and honestly I just think Georgia is better 9. Tennessee - head to head with Bama and I don’t think last weeks game is a true definition of who this team is 10. Alabama - WAY too much stock getting placed in the LSU game, they’re figuring some stuff out but I don’t agree with the masses thinking this team is the best in the SEC 11. South Carolina - I know this will be rustling some jimmies and so will the next one but…. No one in the country wants to see South Carolina on a football field, they’ve had 1 objectively bad performance against Ole Miss and could’ve easily won the Bama and lsu games with a couple changes in the way the ball bounced. This team is great. 12. SMU - playing good ball, honestly more tempted to put like a Colorado or an A&M here but gotta respect that they’ve only lost 1 game to a solid team on the road

[@Sean-bu1kc]

Love the nerds. So done with these rankings though (not just them, from everywhere). Everything will work itself out, 4 sec teams and 4 big 10 teams will make it. Everyone breathe, the best team will win the national championship. Just enjoy people

[@zacharywoodman6445]

"OSU does not have a game like Oregon had this weekend" uhhh, nebraska?

[@iggyignorant]

Agree with Daniel's take on OSU over Oregon but his biggest justification being Oregon had a bad game vs Wisconsin when OSU had just as ugly of a game against an arguably worse Nebraska. Oregon only being up 17-14 very late against Idaho is bigger stain to me tbh

[@mbd501]

These seem more like power rankings than regular rankings. E.g., putting Alabama 3rd and 4th. I could see them that high in a power ranking, but in a regular ranking, with 2 losses they don't belong that high IMO. Also, putting Ohio State over Oregon would be understandable in a power ranking, but not in a regular ranking. Oregon won the game. Results matter.

[@DrewALine33]

How convenient that Texas beats every team that upset all these other SEC “juggernauts” and they get absolutely no credit for it. All of a sudden the SEC grind is extinct because Texas is making it look easy haha

[@keithmitchell1800]

Anyone with half a brain should have seen this coming. I told everyone, instead of one or 2 teams saying they should be in, it will be 10 teams left out complaining. Conference title games have to be the play in. We do not need committees. 4 conference champs are in, 2 highest ranked non big conference champ in. 4 highest ranked teams not in a title game play on championship weekend, 2 winners are in. easy 8 teams. Which if you think about it, its a 16 team playoff without adding a game.

[@cixzejy]

The B1G has to do something to improve the terrible teams.

[@jordannichols8338]

What did Ole Miss do to deserve having Georgia jumping them so much?

[@jdtheguitartist]

Not to discredit the inexcusable losses by Ga, but mathematically, how much more credit should they get for literally three of the best wins in the nation ? All dominant wins

[@nateakins]

none the losses out weigh the wins in every scenario

[@JustN0pe3]

​@@nateakinsSo it's better to play nobodies all season? Can't wait to watch the cupcake season, where everyone just schedules easy wins. College football is going to become so insanely boring with this mindset.

[@AceMan-20]

A&M being left off Josh's "big teams in the SEC" list. Thanks for nothin LSU and Mizzou, we have no quality wins now :( Whats extra screwy is - Texas A&M has a very real path to the SECCG and ergo, the playoff. A&M just has to finish 2-0 against Auburn on the road and texas at home. Both of those games are very winnable, Auburn is Auburn and the horns dont look immortal. Their away games have been noon games at Vandy and Arky, neither come even close to Kyle Field at night. There were over 105k fans for A&M vs NMSU, which would be the largest crowd *ever* at the longhorns stadium. Theres gonna be 110k at Kyle and the energy after a 12 year hiatus will be unmatched, not writing that game off to the horns for a second. Do i fault yall for not talking about A&M at all this video? Not one bit, we are a flawed football team. We dont play natty contending, barely even conference championship contending football. Despite the better record, i think Ole Miss would beat us by 14. We benefited from a convenient schedule and cuz of it, have a shot at a place we probably shouldn't and its only *year 1* of a coaching regime.

[@MrCow-ir4gw]

I would be careful to put the SEC on a pedestal just yet. Here’s their non conference resume. Georgia killed Clemson, great win Texas killed Michigan, good win but it’s Michigan. If they beat OSU my some miracle I’ll give them more credit. LSU lost to USC and squeaked by UCLA, but we’re giving SEC teams credit for beating a team that can’t handle the middle of the Big Ten A&M lost to Notre Dame…who decided to lose to Northern Illinois…and they could still win the SEC Vandy lost to Georgia Southern, and beat Bama Arkansas Lost to Oklahoma state and is still considered a quality win for SEC teams. I’m not claiming SEC bias, I posted my top 12 and I have Georgia, Alabama and Texas over Indiana and Penn st. But you guys have complained about the Big Ten bubble rightfully so every week and the SEC is in almost as bad a bubble. All this to say if Tennessee the 5th SEC team gets left out for a single big 12 champ because they didn’t handle business I think that’s fine.

[@JustN0pe3]

You left out some P4 OFC games where the SEC won. Just saying, if you're going to make a list to prove a point, do it right and list them all.

[@MrCow-ir4gw]

@ you’re right I missed: Alabama killing a mid Wisconsin team, good win Tennessee killing a bad NC state team Miami killing a Florida team that just beat LSU Mississippi state losing badly to Arizona State, (and Toledo) Auburn Losing to Cal yet still being called a tough out Oklahoma beat a bad Houston team but did beat a good Tulane team Missouri Barely beat a still not yet bowl eligible Boston College at home. Ole Miss killed wake forest…good for them. Let me know if I missed one. My point was not to cherry pick, as I think all these games prove is the SEC is leagues better than the ACC…which we already know. My point was to show that outside of recruiting rankings, we have very little data to show that the sec is so much better than everyone else that we should be complaining that a 5TH SEC team doesn’t get in over a P4 conference champion.

[@JustN0pe3]

​@@MrCow-ir4gwUm... really, all this shows is week 1-2 games. Do you think a team from week 1 doesn't change. This really shows....um nothing. What has the B1G done to prove they are so great? Beat a bunch of G5 teams and a mid SEC team?

[@smiley3554]

Dude with the beard contradicts his first segment with his second. Also says Oregon struggled with wisconsin and Alabama didnt but also says you have to look at the whole season but discounts Bama had Wisconsin in the beginning of year fresh while oregon got them at the end of the year off its 8th straight conference game and its 3rd opponent in 3 weeks coming off a bye week. And still beat them at night in camp randall. Pretends ohio state didnt legitimately come close to losing to Nebraska and also tries to pretend that Ohio State didnt OPI in that Oregon Game when he clearly extends his arms to create separation. If the big 10 home field doesnt matter in winter why cry about the SEC might have to go to Indiana Penn State or Ohio State if they are so much better anyway?

[@dariuswilliams3206]

I wouldn’t say Alabama was “fresh” coming into Randall but, your point still stands.

[@CollegeFootballNerds]

There's absolutely no way Alabama barely beats a middle of the road SEC team in November who got murdered at home by Oregon and you don't think it's relevant.

[@smiley3554]

@CollegeFootballNerds oh good I don't have to debate anymore Alabama couldn't score more than 3 against Oklahoma. Ole miss Sucks still vandy can't beat LSU and Auburn beat A&m. Same Auburn who lost to Cal. Lol will more than 3 SEC teams even make the playoffs? winning is hard i guess. Good thing Oregon knows how to win its clunkers

[@JustN0pe3]

If this tells you anything. Now that both Indiana and Oregon have Ohio St, your SOS is the same. Basically you've played 1 team all season

[@smiley3554]

@JustN0pe3 Oregon has played and beat 3 currently ranked top 25 teams including 2 currently projected to make the playoffs. We are undefeated. I don't care what anyone says about our schedule

[@doubleoneal1804]

Well off the top the AP and committee has Boise at 12 .

[@pestyoverlord]

Do y'all even look at how Texas ends all of the games it wins? Sark controls the ball the for majority of the 4th quarter and kneels at the goal line. If people want to cry about scores it's whatever. 🤷 Also saying Texas is like Indiana is so lazy. The rankings here are fine...mostly.

[@JustN0pe3]

Ewers getting another MRI. Isn't that how they end games?

[@dmdubb3129]

Sec Fans : “There are no easy games in the SEC, even the mid teams would dominate the other conferences” Texas goes joins and goes 9-1, Also SEC fans “That’s because they played a easy schedule” 🤨🤨🤨🤨 Can’t make this up

[@redatlanta3100]

Texas got blown out by the only ranked team on their schedule 😂

[@JustN0pe3]

You just copy and paste this everywhere? There's a difference between playing competition (see Georgia, Bama, Florida) and what TX got. Dodging TN, Bama, Ole Miss, hell even USCe. Does the SEC have bad teams? Yes. Did TX get mostly all the bad teams? Yes. Does that mean the bad teams are awful? Well I guess a 3 point win at Vandy answers that question.

[@dmdubb3129]

@ that’s irrelevant. Because you SEC fans will sit here and say that every game in the SEC is tough, and the bad teams will dominate other conferences, but when Texas beat those bad teams, that’s when you SEC fans finally acknowledge they’re bad. Playing both sides of the fence. I actually don’t have a problem with saying Texas played no one, im not the one that said Florida would go 11-2 in the B10. YOU ppl were the one that said that. The reality is, everytime someone joined the conference, they had instant success. Texas A&M was a mid b12 team, and went 11-2 the first year, and had a Heisman winner. Missouri went to back to back SEC championships their first 3 years, and Texas is on the way to the SEC championship after trying to convince ppl that they would lose 4 games in the SEC. So stop this “every SEC game is a gauntlet” myth.

[@dmdubb3129]

@@JustN0pe3 who cares, refute what I said. If they’re bad teams, then acknowledge that they’re bad from the start. Dont wait until Texas gets into the conference and go 9-1 to finally admit that they’re bad. I’m not the one who said that Florida would go dominate the B10. I’m not the one that said “every SEC game is a gauntlet”. That’s you delusional SEC fans that said that.

[@redatlanta3100]

@@dmdubb3129 where did I say Florida would go 11-2 in the B10? I said Texas doesn’t have any quality wins. Neither does Indiana and neither does PSU. All 3 are overrated because they got to feast on the bottom half of their conferences.

[@rydernicholson4978]

Ohio state at 1 makes no sense at all. You can use your own argument for them at 1 against them.

[@bumpskillers]

Indiana has the weakest schedule in the big ten by design. If I’m not mistaken when the new teams came in they decided the protected rivals and then they took into account the historical performance of the teams to build schedules that would be more fair and level across the league. Indiana had been trapped with Michigan, ohio state, penn state, and Michigan state for the longest. They’ve arguably been the best 5 teams over the last 10-15 years while Purdue got to be in the big ten west. Indiana has been the worst team in the big ten for awhile so they got the easiest schedule.

[@autoscopy]

Ohio State struggled with a Nebraska team at home. They could have easily lost that game so the Oregon logic is flawed.

[@McSNIFFERY]

I just dont understand how you can speak in definites about how Tennessee would beat Boise by 3 scores. They lost to a pretty horrible Arkansas team. Sure Tennessee would be favorite but if this season has showed us anything its that being a favorite means nothing.

[@JustN0pe3]

Boise struggled badly to a really bad Wyoming... I don't think Boise is who you think they are

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[@kevinchandler179]

How is screwy as you say, if Ole Miss comes to Happy Valley in December and gets skull dragged, which is what would happen!!!!! WE ARE

[@chasejackson7248]

Penn state isn't good.

[@JustN0pe3]

Penn Dame! I meant Notre St!!! Who cares, you stole your coach from Vandy and flop in any game that actually matters

[@ethanmarshall8681]

SOS is a weak metric. Good for what a team is up against, but bad at showing how good a team is. Once the games are played SOR is better. For example Mizzou has a high SOS, but has gotten blown out in every game they played that made their SOS so high.

[@JustN0pe3]

SOS works when you compare it to a teams record. By itself, just tells you if a team had a hard season or not. SOR take it or leave it, I never really look at. Most of the time if you're a bad team in a good conference (Mississippi St) you could have a really high SOS (St ranked 3) and a really low SOR (St ranked 102). None of these systems are meant to be used by themselves.

[@Aaron-qm4fl]

Do the games just not matter at all????

[@MrChocolateGiddyup]

Ohio State being #1 is egregious. They lose to Indiana this week, by 3...7 if youre nasty

[@CollegeFootballNerds]

Miss Jackson if you're nasty, actually.

[@kevinchandler179]

Have any of you SEC lovers ever thought about this?????? The reason a bunch of you have 2 losses, isn't because of your delusional idea of past years, its because you guys don't have a dominant team this year, and the big ten is winning the whole damn thing, Oregon, Buckeyes or my Nittany Lions!@! WE ARE

[@chasejackson7248]

Penn state isn't going to go past the first game.

[@JustN0pe3]

MID St!

[@jacksonklark6119]

Osu played bad and the game was closer than it should've been oregon couldve won by 14+

[@BShedd]

They turned into a joke huh? That’s sad.

[@drewp.weiner2473]

1 Oregon 2 Indiana 3 Ohio State 4 Penn state 5 Georgia 6 Alabama 7 Ole miss 8 Texas 9 SMU 10 Miami 11 Tennessee 12 Notre dame

[@kevinchandler179]

My Nittany Lions 🦁 players and coaches don't make the schedule, we are dealt the schedule we are dealt!!!! Tired of hearing this bullshit, especially since SEC teams are dropping like flies and their excuse is they are all so damn elite blah blah blah!!!! No, truth is, the SEC is still great, but no dominant team this year!!! And, the big ten is winning the whole damn thing this year, Oregon, Buckeyes, or my Nittany Lions 🦁!!! 🦁

[@tomwaits4205]

Texas ahould be 8-10 at best. They ha e played nobody and got house by Georgia in Austin.

[@artsheart]

Nick Saban said last Saturday, Texas has the best defense in the SEC. By Far according to the stats. This will play out in the next two weeks. KY at Texas, then Texas at A&M. Then the conference championship. If I had to pick today, Oregon and Ole Miss are the best two teams. So Texas after Georgia, at 5 or 6 is fine. Its still all fluid. Thanks guys! 🤘🤘