Color Classic Mystic (LC575) Upgrade & Benchmarks

[@infinity5750]

Hi James, Wow it's a very detailed video we've never seen before. Even though we are good at modding, we are often not good at clarifying it from the viewer's point of view. But your video is clear to everyone. Well... you and I have dived into the same CC world, so the mods I've all done before are yours. And you will clarify it and turn it into a better commentary. It's almost time to try everything and become a CC KZbin bible.

[@JDW-]

Kayは私のＣＣ先生ですので、コメントをピンしました！今までに詳しい説明をいただき、本当に有り難うね！(And for the English speakers out there, I really do consider Kay my Color Classic Sensei. I've learned much from him and am very thankful!)

[@santospoland]

James, this series is going to be AMAZING! Man you are a talent and a blessing to this community and a true gentleman!

[@geekwithsocialskills]

I did the Mystic upgrade to my Color Classic back in March of this year. It's such an amazing upgrade. I did the logic board modifcation by removing one resistor and adding another to the bottom of my board.

[@JDW-]

It really does make a world of difference, doesn't it? There are the two hardware-change paths to take when it comes to deciding if you want to retain the stock resolution or jump to 640x480. In my video, I don't show that because I wanted to demonstrate that the MB can be swapped and used without any hardware mods (other than the swap). But in another video in this CC series, I intend to show the 640x480 hardware mod, mainly because I would like to run a lot of software that sadly requires 640x480 resolution minimum. That in my opinion will make this CC even more usable than it is right now.

[@geekwithsocialskills]

@@JDW- I have yet to do the 640x480 resolution mod to mine mainly because I was reading it puts more strain on the power supply. Have you heard anything about that? I do have access to a LC 575 analog board, so maybe doing a swap with that could help? I'm looking forward to your follow up video on your Mystic upgraded Color Classic!

[@JDW-]

@@geekwithsocialskills There are two methods of achieving 640x480, and one involves boosting the voltage to 80V, which puts more strain on the power supply. The other method uses 68.4V and does not put a strain on the power supply. Both are described in more detail here: powercc.org/640x480/

[@geekwithsocialskills]

@@JDW- I was actually just looking at that page LOL. I'm thinking the 68.4V method might be the one to do.

[@JDW-]

@@geekwithsocialskills That is the one I intend to do, especially after having discussed the options extensively with Kay Koba here in Japan. He really knows the Color Classic inside and out!

[@helfire23]

Thanks for the shout out! I have my mystic but need to recap it as well. Once your recap video comes out it will likely be the push I need to do mine.

[@JDW-]

Eric, I intend to do a recap with Panasonic OS-CON capacitors, which not only look stock but have very low ESR as well. They are also smaller than the stock capacitors which might make them easier to solder in place. And please don’t worry, my BlueSCSI video is coming too! :-)

[@RikerJoe]

Great video, James. I especially liked your demonstration of booting the Color Classic immediately after swapping in the 575 board. Keep up the great work and looking forward to the future installments.

[@JDW-]

Thank you, Joe!

[@Johnathan_Waters]

I just picked up an LC575 from a friend, and when i pulled the mobo out, I found a gift in the form of a LEAKED BATTERY (yes, i know). The electrolyte had leaked DIRECTLY onto the edge connector at the rear of the board. Anyway, i got to work repairing it by desoldering the plastic connector (an arduous task for sure) and replacing caps etc. Well, I doubted that it could be repaired, but i reinstalled it and it worked on the first try! So, it turns out that these motherboards are actually quite repairable.

[@JDW-]

Very sorry to hear about the battery damage, and I must say I am quite surprised too because I don't often hear of battery damaged LC575 boards like you do with a Mac Classic, SE/30, Mac IIci, II, IIfx, and many other vintage Macs. I had been thinking those square batteries in the LC575 were especially impervious to leakage, but your story has proven that wrong. Well, the upside is your motherboard was resurrected thanks to your determination! Congratulations! Whenever you're ready to take it to the next level, be sure to check out Spicy O'Clock: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKPQq3yZmaeBhbs

[@Johnathan_Waters]

@@JDW- Thanks for the link JDW! It actually was an ex school computer-lab computer, and it had an aftermarket "battery" inside... The kind that had 4 "AA" size batteries inside it's case. Not the cube-shaped "Rayovac"! I've also never seen one of those leak thankfully.

[@JDW-]

@@Johnathan_Waters Aha! Thanks for clarifying your battery wasn't the Rayovac. I was a bit surprised when I read your first comment, but now that I see it was a quad AA battery, the leakage makes sense. Quite unfortunate. But again, I'm really happy to hear you were able to repair your board. It's a lot of fun doing upgrades. You can get a boost from Spicy O'Clock even with the stock 68LC040 CPU (not FPU), but the FPU edition 040 chips can be overclocked higher, assuming you buy 60ns VRAM (which Kay Koba also sell). The stock VRAM is 80ns, which limits your overlock to around 40~42MHz. The rest is explained in detail in my two Spicy videos. Best wishes!

[@lifeafterdev]

Another top quality vid and insanely great show notes. Thx 👏

[@JDW-]

Thank you very much for your kind words!

[@hellion9547]

You deserve waaay many more subscribers dude!

[@jamesserbos6697]

Hi, thanks for all this information. Keep going strong!

[@The_Studioworkshop]

In another 10 years, I suspect these 575s will become really, really rare!

[@JDW-]

Very possibly. However, these are big and heavy machines which make the cost of shipping very expensive, reducing the number of people who seek to buy the entire machine. So what is truly rare is finding the motherboard only for sale, for use in upgrading a Color Classic.

[@ActionRetro]

Have you considered building a "Takky" 575? That Trinitron is such a beautiful display!

[@JDW-]

As a 68K guy, I'm not so enthusiastic about PPC. With a 68040, I can still boot into older versions of System 7 like 7.1, but the PPC boards compatible with the CC require 7.5.x and higher. (The PM6100 could boot into 7.1.x, but that MB won't fit in a CC.) Even so, PPC really needs 7.6.1 or OS 8.1 to get a native performance boost. Takky mods are also a lot more work than the Mystic mods. As such, I think the Mystic mod is really the single best CC upgrade for most people. I would only venture into Takky territory if I had more than one CC, like Kay Koba does. But the 040 is certainly no slouch, especially not the full FPU version, and when overclocked it screams. Those videos are coming after my OS-CON recap video concludes!

[@ActionRetro]

@@JDW- I totally agree about Mystic being the best CC upgrade! I'm talking about sticking a PowerPC board into your motherboard-less LC575 :)

[@JDW-]

I apologize. I completely misunderstood you before. That does make logical sense. But it also assumes that I’m not going to use analog board parts to beef up my color classics and log board! :-) The bigger problem is that I live in Japan and just don’t have the space to store this honking monster! He’s not nearly as cute as the CC either.That’s really it.

[@ActionRetro]

@@JDW- Hah, it certainly is a honking monster!

[@alexinnewwest1860]

Your videos are always very informative :-)

[@JDW-]

Thank you, Alex. Please know that more are coming in this series. I'm actually editing the 3rd installment right now! :-)

[@alexinnewwest1860]

Great! Look forward to them! I just did this mod a while back. If I want to upgrade to 32mb of ram, what exact chip do I look for? Thx

[@JDW-]

@@alexinnewwest1860 This is a closeup photo of the 32MB SIMM (8 chips on both sides) shown in my video: drive.google.com/file/d/1vEFMlwWQCyjiOXKz-arXaCOoVaOrkDu_/view?usp=sharing Chip Marking: Mitsubishi M5M417400CJ (and the "-6" marking means 60ns speed) That will yield 36MB RAM total because 4MB RAM is already on the motherboard. I have been told that 128MB SIMMs will also work in the LC575, but will simply yield longer cold-boot times due to the longer time required for the computer to check RAM. Part number MK16DS3232LPA-50 (for angled sockets) is known to work in a friend's LC575 motherboard, but I was informed that the MK16DS3232LP-50 (for vertical SIMM slots) will also fit and work fine too and is a few dollars cheaper than the Angled version: Angled Ver.: www.ebay.com/itm/164232072387 Flat Ver.: www.ebay.com/itm/184212196201

[@GarthBeagle]

I love my Macintosh Performa 578. Please don't smash your LC575, though I'm sure you were joking. I do like Sean's idea of putting a PPC logic board into the LC575, though I do understand your storage space constraints as these are indeed large systems! I'm hoping this enclosure can find a safe local home.

[@StephenArsenault]

Another great video, I'm looking forward to more in this series! From Yahoo Auction Japan I get the impression that color classics and these LC machines are pretty common and reasonably cheap. Is that really the case?

[@JDW-]

I'll send you a PM at TinkerDifferent with the price I paid for the LC575. You won't believe it!

[@mikewottle8893]

@@JDW- Why can't they be cheap in the US? :) I've been looking and I may have a lead on a cheap, LC550. So improved speed, but I kind of want to hold out for a 575.

[@JDW-]

EBAY has always been a place for the sharks to gather, so outrageous prices there are no surprise. But it’s important to keep in mind that you folks in the US have garage sales and estate sales that we in Japan don’t have. I see people posting in Facebook groups all the time about how they scored an incredibly cheap yet great vintage Mac for an unbelievable price. So I would say there is more to envy on the USA side than there is here in Japan. The biggest benefit to me when it comes to buying from Yahoo auctions is the fact I live in Japan and therefore shipping is cheap. In fact, the seller of the LC575 shipped it to me without any shipping fee at all. I basically got the entire Mac for the price you typically see the bare 575 motherboards sold for, and the Mac I purchased was fully tested too.

[@drmr_music]

So here's a pertinent question for you: In Japanese apartments I have only ever seen grounded outlets in the kitchen (for a stove presumably), in the bathroom (for the washing machine), and next to the inside part of the AC unit close to the ceiling. All the other outlets are ungrounded, two-prong. So where do you attach the other end of your ground strap?

[@JDW-]

Great question. It's a huge problem, actually. The Japanese only ground toilets (due to the electronic toilet seat) and washing machines. Any device near water, they ground. But for some reason, they refuse to consider the important of grounding other electronics! It frustrates me to no end. Pipes that lead directly into the dirt are a find way to ground, if you can wrap wire around them to achieve that AND if they are made of metal (which most Japanese pipes are not). I myself work on all my electronics at the office, after hours, because we spent the money to ensure our building has a lot of 3-prong outlets. At home, I am disadvantages like most everyone else. And I'd prefer not to work on electronics in the toilet room! :-)

[@drmr_music]

@@JDW- Good point, I *did* forget about the toilet. :)

[@AngeloTelesforo]

Same thing here in Brazil, only wash machines are grounded through the pipe. The pipe for the wash machine is the only one which is metal, all others are pvc. We don’t usually have ground on the outlets, although our standard has the 3rd pin if you do want to have your grid grounded. It just sits inside the outlet unplugged.

[@JDW-]

@@AngeloTelesforo That's unfortunate. But it is interesting to hear that Japan isn't the only country that doesn't understand the importance of grounded outlets.

[@MacintoshLibrarian]

I want to buy the 575 Case! Let me know!

[@JDW-]

With the CRT still in it? My main concern of course would be how best to ship it with the CRT it in due to the weight. The plastics are brittle due to age and yellowing. Also, the back panel was removed so that Kay Koba could convert it to a version compatible with the Color Classic, as shown here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jH28q39pmZtmmdE Please let me know your thoughts in light of that. If you want to make the conversation private, simply click the VIEW EMAIL ADDRESS button on this page: kzbin.infoabout

[@RS-kf7wg]

I got to say this guy's channel is great. However, I have to also ask, "Is it worth going through all this trouble switching the guts from one machine to another when you could just use the 575 as a stand alone machine?"

[@JDW-]

No, and here's why. Most LC500-series Macs have very brittle plastics that fall to pieces during shipping. I kid you not. And yet, despite being from about the same era, you never hearing of a Color Classic falling to pieces like that -- not even severely yellowed CCs. Indeed, the LC575 shown in my video appears to look intact, but despite the careful handling during shipping, many pieces were broken off, including on of the tabs on the back panel. The larger size and weight of the CRT doesn't help matters, almost crushing the brittle plastics when bumped even the slightest bit. One of my viewers who lives in Europe recently bought an LC520 from Yahoo Auctions Japan via Buyee (a middle-man service) that let's English speakers outside Japan buy from Japan's top auction site. When Buyee received the machine, despite having been shipped with care, the case arrived broken into pieces. He donated it to my channel after learning that. It arrived in my hands, and I must say I've never seen anything like the destruction of that machine's plastic. It was just incredible. And so, it is indeed worth the trouble (which isn't really much trouble at all), of sliding out the motherboard from and LC575 which has been damaged and isn't repairable, and which may further fall to pieces in the near future. Then when you swap out the CPU with an 040 with full FPU, and then overclock it to 40MHz or higher, you can sit back and say to your, "Oh yes. It really is worthwhile!"

[@95Comics]

great video! im not sure why you would swap the board to color classic, it seems to me like it is a downgrade. you get a smaller screen, no cd rom or even a back io plate. i understand the upgrade if you didnt have the lc 575, or the crt broke and you are afraid to fix but ruining a lc575 doesnt feel right. can you at least put the se30 logic board in the lc?

[@JDW-]

Thank you for your kind words. I shall now proceed to comment on your comments. "Downgrade"? Absolutely not. The Color Classic is much more compact than the behemoth LC575. In fact, the LC575 is designed so badly that the sheer weight of the thing causes the aging plastics to shatter apart unlike most other vintage Macs of the same age. Indeed, it is because so many are destroyed simply by shipping them (even when packed well) that their precious motherboards need to be put to good use in another machine, and what better machine than the cute little Color Classic which has much better weight distribution? Seriously, you don't find Color Classics falling to pieces during shipping like you do their overweight sibling, the LC575. Sure, you can find a few LC575's out there which haven't shattered apart, but I assure you they are the exception, not the rule. The Color Classic represents the ultimate Mac in the "Compact" series, bringing a color screen to that ultra compact form factor which began with the 128K in 1984. The shape is a tad different than the 1984 Mac, but by and large the enclosure of the CC is quite similar. And therein lies the appeal. It is made well, takes up less desk space, and yet can be made to run faster than a Quadra 840AV, thanks to a motherboard from the LC575, which all too often falls to pieces with the lightest handling. So I assure you that no one is "ruining" an LC575 by using its motherboard. I purchased my own LC575 from Yahoo Auctions Japan for less than $100 because they are not valuable machines due to being so fragile. When it arrived, the plastics were already breaking apart, despite the delicate handling by shippers here in Japan. Indeed, the LC575 is ruining itself due to plastics that are not durable enough to support the immense weight inside, especially now many decades after it was released. As to CD-ROM drives, those aren't needed anymore now that we have BlueSCSIv2 and MacSD, both of which feature a CD-ROM "changer" which beats any single CD-ROM drive out there, and there are 3D printed back plates galore for the LC575 motherboard, some of which are featured in my other videos. Not sure why you would want to put an SE/30 logic board in an LC machine, but if that is what you'd like to do, there's no one here to stop you. Even so, out of the entire compact Mac series, the SE/30 reigns as king due to its upgradability and the fact its plastics were designed well, with proper weight distribution on the inside, such that even now decades later, the plastics are very robust. I am not a purist. A purist is somebody who refuses to alter machines in any way outside the way they were modified back in the day. A purist would not use an LC575 motherboard in a Color Classic, for example. But I have no issue with it because it remains a 68K Mac. I would not, however, do a Takky, because that is changing a 68K Mac to a PPC Mac, and I don't think PPC becomes great until you break 1GHz, which is not a clock speed you'd get from a Takky. So while I am not a purist, I do have certain red lines I've drawn for myself which I do not cross. I'm just not someone who thinks ill of using another 68K motherboard from a better Mac in a worse Mac. And believe me, the stock CC motherboard is a horrific crime against humanity, let me tell you. 10MB RAM limit and so painfully slow you want to rip your hair out. The LC575 board makes it a good machine. If you want a vintage 68K Mac with a big screen and a lot of horsepower, I'd recommend an upgraded IIci. Mine can accommodate a 40MHz Daystar Turbo040 or a Radius Rocket (I have both). You can get a good video card that can use any VGA display. If you'd rather have a real Quadra, I think the Q650 offers the most bang for the buck, and I say that as someone who purchased and used the real deal back in the day, when I was still in college. At the end of the day, don't fear change or the desire to tweak and accelerate. I'm not advocating turning valuable old Macs into aquariums. That I would never do. But using parts from broken Macs in creative ways that retain their value and usefulness is a good thing. Take care!

[@95Comics]

@@JDW- I just don’t like to destroy machines so when I can fix one and pass it along to somebody, I always do so. if you have a spare board and a case to put it in why not combine them and give it to somebody and maybe start them on their own Mac experience? I was thinking one of those LC 575s would be cool to put a Mac mini inside of if you can make the CRT run and they would function as a standalone monitor that is. I’m also trying to figure out a way to use a raspberry pie as a combination, co-processor and video card for all the older Mac’s in order to give them the ability to possibly use a modern web browser and even play video. I love taking old machines and making them do what new machines can do. I like your videos though very informative and help me to come up with plans of my own so thank you!

[@JDW-]

@@95Comics But as I said, the LC575 is notorious for its plastics breaking apart due to the sheer weight of the internals pressing against the increasingly brittle plastics. So putting modern internals inside plastics that are already cracked and about to shatter apart isn't that practical a solution. Furthermore, putting modern internals inside vintage Mac plastics that don't shatter apart is actually more controversial than repurposing an LC575 motherboard inside a Color Classic enclosure! That's because many people who do that tend to discard the original circuitry rather than repair it, and some in the community think such to be a waste since the original circuitry (motherboard, etc.) is no longer manufactured. What is perhaps the best recreation work I personally have seen are machines that are recreated on the outside (the plastics) and have modern components which run an emulate to recreate the original OS experience, but also allowing you to run more modern flavors of the OS that the original hardware could not run, also allowing faster performance. In other words, no vintage Macs are touched at all in the process, eliminating all controversy. The single best example of such amazing work has been done by Kevin Noki here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX-coK1qjtGto5Ysi=t6p56qVv5RWx-qun

[@95Comics]

@@JDW- kewl, ill check that out! I don’t plan on mailing mine, so once I pick up the LC 575 that I know of, it’s not going to be shipped again, so plastic breaking won’t be a problem and I don’t really care what other people think about it. if I don’t take this LC 575 someone is gonna throw it in the garbage so I would rather do something cool with it then throw it in the garbage. And my idea with using the raspberry pi would be completely reversible. I’m not going to be soldering it in or anything, but even if I did, it would take something that would essentially be art for a bookshelf and turn it into a usable computer, which is something that I like. there are no programs on an apple two GS that I find interesting but I find the form of the Apple 2gs to be awesome so I have one that I gutted and I put a Hewlett-Packard motherboard in it that could easily be hackintoshed, and now, instead of sitting on a shelf and being played with for 20 minutes every five years, my Apple two GS can be used as a regular every day computer that is running Monterey. But I don’t rip apart machines that are still good. I only do this to machines that are broken and would otherwise end up in a landfill. it’s not like I would go online, order a lisa, gut it and put in an asus mb lol. Ideally, I would have two of every Mac one original and one modified but I had a housefire in which I lost my entire collection and I’m starting over. I went from having over 30 mac’s. To a 2007 iMac and a 2008 Mac mini., along with my 2gs hackintosh. But I will get most of them back again

[@JDW-]

@@95Comics Oh my! A house fire that destroyed a collection of over 30 Macs was a real tragedy indeed! Very sorry to hear about that loss. I can't even imagine how you must have felt at that time.

[@KamiKitsuneVA]

I was literally talking to the screen saying to NOT pull so hard on the drive release tab..............and then it happened, lol

[@JDW-]

Thanks for watching for your comment! It's really quite hard NOT to pull that much on those tabs. I wasn't pulling especially "hard" at all. I was moving them in what I considered a natural way, yet it snapped off. I wasn't surprised though because when I first got that Mac, there were tiny pieces of broken plastic in the box, and more rattling around when I gently removed it. The plastic on these LC575 machines is so brittle, a lot of them get damaged during shipping. I see those photos all the time on FaceBook groups. My friend Kay Koba told me his own stories here in Japan too. And yet, I don't see the same level of brittleness on other vintage Macs of the same era. I think it's the sheer size and weight of the machine, coupled with perhaps an inferior plastic mix at the factory that contributes to it. Even so, I bought that Mac exclusively for gutting, not for practical use, knowing beforehand the plastics would be like that. The motherboard is the most value (I got that entire machine for less than the 575 MB alone normally sells for), and then you have many other useful parts too. The only part that I don't have use for but which still has value is the CRT.

[@KamiKitsuneVA]

Also, I would have honestly used the case for another project, cause I think the LC575 is a beautiful but underpowered machine

[@JDW-]

I still have the LC575 plastic case. Also, I did send my LC575 back panel to Kay Koba in Tokyo for use in another project (changing it to fit the color classic). I should add that, compared to painfully slow stock CC motherboard, the LC575 is a true breath of fresh air in terms of performance, even at the stock 33MHz speed without FPU. Even better is that I purchased a full FPU 040 chip and will be releasing an overclocking video on that using Kay's variable speed overclocker called "Spicy O'Clock."

[@santospoland]

I have the Colour Classic (u in color yup) with a Mystic upgrade. I have a battery like that one in mine - also velcro attached. I should just throw it out the battery. Dead as can be. The RAM in mine just barely makes it in the CC.

[@JDW-]

I will be doing another video on replacement battery solutions, Alex. Stay tuned for that!

[@anotheruser9876]

Mwah-ray Maybe send the gutted Mac to Adrian Black from the KZbin channel 'Adrian's Digital Basement' in Oregon?

[@JDW-]

Maybe I will if he ships me a Quadra 840AV or backlit Macintosh Portable in return! :-) (Those are 2 vintage Macs I've always wanted to own but for one reason or another never was able to acquire.)

[@wishusknight3009]

So does the color classic motherboard work in the 575 chassis?

[@JDW-]

No it does not. But even if it did, due to the larger display, it would be even slower than it is in the stock color classic. And believe me, that’s very slow!

[@wishusknight3009]

@@JDW- It could be for the ultimate mac masochist. lol

[@JDW-]

@@wishusknight3009 Indeed. I have read the feelings of some purist CC owners who feel that any kind of upgrade is sacrilege. They want to keep it stock regardless of speed. That to me is the very definition of sadomasochism (deriving pleasure from pain). :-) I have never been that way, not even back in the day. I purchase a Mac Iivx new in 1993 while still in college. Man was thing that sluggish! I saved my pennies over the next year so as to pay $1,000 for a Quadra 650 logic board to swap out that painful IIvx board. I loved the machine after that, despite the fact the bad on front still said IIvx when in fact it was a Q650 inside. To the purist, that's a sin. To me, it's productivity!

[@wishusknight3009]

@@JDW- I am not particularly a purist. My thoughts are if I want something faster then I just get a faster machine or emulate it. Long gone are the days where I struggle to afford something better. And with so much on the used market one does not need to compromise to any significance. I have my old LCII but I still keep it with its base 4mb ram and mechanical drive just to keep it the same experience. So it can solve arguments for those of us who wear rose glasses of nostalgia (i know i do). I have an LC3 that is juiced up some with flash storage and such. And above that my SE/30 which is still juiced up from back in the day. I kind of think keeping the machine stock is part of the retro experience. However my thoughts on the color classic mystic upgrade are "I wish it had a bigger screen". My SE30 has an external color Pivot for that reason lol. I would probably just make a Color Classic logo for the LC575 and claim I upgraded the screen too. Seems far easier.

[@JDW-]

@@wishusknight3009 Thanks for sharing your thoughts. If I still lived in the US, I would have nearly endless space at my disposal so the situation would be very different. While I did recently purchase an external LCD for use with my SE/30, I don't have a lot of external monitors simply because (a) I don't have any place to store them when not in use and (b) even when it use, finding the desk space is hard!

[@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs]

Do not destroy the case I would save it as is and maybe replace it withA upgraded board it could use A major retro brighting you can 3D print A new back cover The Mac is Worth saving

[@JDW-]

There are a couple problems though. The plastics of this particular case are very brittle and a number of small pieces have broken off. The other problem is I live in Japan and simply don’t have the storage space for it. So that’s why I was asking for ideas in the comments section. I am not inclined to deliberately break things, even old and brittle things, so it currently remains intact, although it is eating up a huge amount of space on the floor of a particular room. I just don’t have any place to put it! All I wanted to buy in the first place was just the LC575 motherboard, but this particular auction of the entire machine was actually the same or lower than the cost of a bare board only, so I bid and won. Pretty amazing.

[@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs]

@@JDW- I see your point due to your lack of space my list is in some tpye of local compuer market place if they have those in Japan

[@JDW-]

@@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs The physical store "computer market place" in Japan is basically Akihabara in Tokyo, which is about a 6-hour highway drive away from me.

[@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs]

@@JDW- Wow that's A drive or A flight

[@JDW-]

@@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs Oh, I could take the bullet train and get there in 2 hours or less, but the price of those is on par with air fare -- expensive. I also dislike Tokyo relative to Nagoya. So many people in such a small space. You feel like a sardine, or a guest at Disneyland during Christmas time!

[@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs]

P.S great video

[@groovinhooves]

IDK seems simpler to just find a ColorClassic II?

[@JDW-]

"Simpler" than finding an LC575? Not sure about that. But even if it was simpler to get a CC II, there's an important difference to ponder. The 33MHz 68030 in the CC II can't hold a candle to the 33Mhz 68040 (even the LC version without FPU) in the LC575 motherboard. And with a color Mac, performance matters. The 040 CPU is socketed, which means you can buy a full FPU version 040 and get greater performance. Not only that, but you can overclock the 040 too, which you cannot do with the 030. See my overclocking videos for details: kzbin.info/aero/PLNZ4qjMn-GHoQp4iqhWwuZFr_E8zyrYmO

[@michaelmullett7327]

Save it, find a board for it or maybe there is an upgrade board for it and get it running again DON’T just give it away, then after that decide what to do with it, you might even keep it!

[@JDW-]

Thank you for your kind advice, Michael. The main issue is that I live in Japan with limited storage space. The enormous thing is just sitting in its shipping box in the middle of the floor right now. I just don't have room for it. It was for that reason I said what I did in the video. I have use for some analog board components, but the CRT is of no use to me, and the plastics are quite brittle -- many small pieces have broken off, above and beyond that one latch which broken off in my video. I am still mulling what to do.

[@michaelmullett7327]

@@JDW- ah ok I understand it’s just with people now making new boards for these and making new cases like MacEffects I just hate to see these old Mac’s one by one destroyed until there are none of them left!