Dice Control Craps Strategy

[@fernandosolano1571]

Disappointed that I can't see the extended version unless I'm in the color up club. It reminds me a comment on another video saying that the colorup club is going to hurt got main channel. They were right

[@ColorUp]

Are you suggesting I not post anything on KZbin so you are not disappointed you don't get to see extended versions? Its a bonus. Join for the bonus or not, you are still getting quality content for free here on KZbin. Posted video was fully edited and 15min. Disappointed that free content is not longer or free enough is a new concept for me...hmmm

[@Wrekt330]

Fernando Solano 100%. I already pay something like $15 for premium KZbin, fat chance any content creator is getting any more from me. It’s not the creators fault though, I understand that KZbin just isn’t as lucrative as it used to be, but I’m not sure putting content behind a paywall is the solution.

[@ColorUp]

@@Wrekt330 Its bonus content. Enjoy as much as you want here on youtube for free. Thanks for watching.

[@bluenoteone]

@@ColorUp I've watched a ton of your vids and I'm ready to color up because of them. Cant wait! If I can double my meager bank roll I'll probs join. I'm saving up for the day, bro! Thank's

[@bluenoteone]

@@ColorUp ...and, oh! Dont sweat the small stuff

[@tage202]

You should call this strategy “Living in a van by the River”...

[@yomamaso100]

What's wrong with that? Very economical now days

[@DrKnowCraps]

Its actually pretty smart

[@vince7189]

lol.

[@rong2393]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 u funny as shit

[@994TCV]

a rental van..... cant aford to buy

[@akira3871]

Whether you believe in dice control or not is irrelevant, the issues here is he broke his own rule and strayed from his strategy. He spent weeks/months/years at home with a cool head developing what he felt was the best way to win, but he let himself get frazzled and make a bad decision by straying from that strategy when he started feeling the pressure to perform for the camera. Don't make unnecessary decisions in the heat of the moment. You walked up to the table with 6 chances to win, don't cut your chances in half because you made a mistake. Take a breath, relax, and stick to the plan!

[@ColorUp]

Good advice!

[@jamalgurley3474]

Akira 38 Facts and honestly I had a great strategy one time used it and when I got on a bad streak I went from what I was doing and everything went bad so definitely right can’t have emotions while gambling sometimes licks not on your side even with a amazing strategy got to stick to the plan and be able to accept the loses.

[@Shooter11B]

He was clearly tilted and was rushing his throws. Brothers, it can happen to all of us! Been there done that. I would love to see the redemptions throws though. Let's have him back with a full-on good roll to see the potential of the system.

[@AndrewHacking]

@@Shooter11B nah, no second chances required. If the premise of DI is that you can bet confidently on your influence over the dice, this adds to the body of evidence that you cannot do it reliably beyond what is expected from random chance, if at all. He lost his bankroll in very short order through high risk wagering and changing his game plan to chase losses with no demonstrated influence over the dice outcome. Lesson learned on what not to do.

[@Shooter11B]

@@AndrewHacking From his own words it sounded like he was not warmed up. Throwing cold is as good as throwing random most times. Do pitchers warm-up before they throw in a game? Do golfers hit the driving range before they play? OF COURSE! Same thing here. Random throwers don't need to warm up, they rely on dumb luck. ALSO, who says this guy is even any good? I never heard of him, but I am definitely willing to give him another chance because one and one forever is not a thing. I suppose you have always done everything perfectly in your life with no requirement for a do-over?? What really interests me here is the seemingly visceral hatred on Dice Control by some people. What do you care? Don't DC if you can do better random. Simple.

[@Madman420]

I like how he said "Hold on, dude! Let's let it roll..." like he ain't warmed up yet but getting thrown out the table. I like watching dudes who can't accept defeat. Very entertaining indeed. Color up, never stop making videos this real.

[@ColorUp]

Not many are brave to put themselves out there like this. Kudos to king dice

[@Madman420]

I salute people who are resilient. Yes, kudos to KD

[@alexandramcgraw3227]

I knew any out come cu would post the truth ty cu

[@ColorUp]

@@alexandramcgraw3227 i do my best

[@LanceOBleness]

Dice controller loses 3k in 10 minutes. Great video and awesome strategy. Can't wait to try it this weekend.

[@rcojrpc2085]

YOUR COMMENT WAS NOT RIGHT NOR WAS IT RESPECTFUL.

[@crickerson8066]

I've been watching this guy since you did the first sit down with him. Today verified that the only sell is on himself. The mask, the pixelating, the camera angles, just done to prevent self embarrassment. Just my own humble opinion.

[@Greenday.colorupclub]

My favourite is @2.41 this is how you make money. 💣

[@jonathanappling9248]

*this is how you make money* then loses over half his bank roll in less than 5 mins of play

[@AndrewHacking]

We call these kinds of people "wankers" where I live.

[@Greenday.colorupclub]

@@AndrewHacking no need for that. Keep it clean.

[@DrKnowCraps]

@@AndrewHacking - Wankers? Really? Glad I dont live near you

[@compro16]

Not really doing a whole lot to sell me on dice control lol

[@ColorUp]

Nope

[@SteveHandlebar]

Why would you drop the dice in the corner? You can see he practices that from the board :-/

[@barkman1739]

KD: *trying to save face by extending the video.* Color Up: “Nope, we’re done here.” 😂😂😂

[@usoolive1]

This was tough to watch - a crazy strategy that I wouldn’t feel comfortable with myself. But, kudos to King for putting himself out there. And thanks again Color for another banger. Always great content.

[@ColorUp]

King is a brave guy and a good sport

[@rayhjr72]

Its easy to do with fake money you know!

[@Falmouth03]

Sure he may have had a 20+ roll later, but he busted his bankroll, broke away from his strategy and proved to be like the rest of us. I do believe the only way dice controllers make $$$ is by charging others to learn their system

[@g3tv735]

Using an effective 10 count full press strategy is way too risky regardless of your initial bankroll. Reduce it to a 3 count + out and lower your maximum exposure. The short game will always prevail long term.

[@rcojrpc2085]

GREAT IDEA. I LIKE YOUR THINKING.

[@martinleithe8251]

Wow, this guy is really a good example of how not to approach this game. He have no tilt control at alt. He had a strategy, did not even manage to stick to it for 5minutes before just running it all in. Wow this was surprising after watching that interview. I started believing in that shooter, his rolls were really far off consintent too.. I'm just kindoff shocked right now :D

[@ColorUp]

Thanks for watching.

[@brizzlex1919]

You were taken aback? 🤣

[@frankiefc3]

This is actually a great strategy I'd like to try out. The only thing I'd change is the size of the bets/bankroll to something I can afford to lose because losing 2k just wouldn't sit well with me, especially in a matter of minutes. If you ever lost a big amount of money in a casino then you'd know the feeling of a different kind of sick. Bravo to CU and KD for posting this video. The honesty is much appreciated. It's easy to practice in the comfort of your own home. The pressure is real when the camera turns on, or you're in the casino playing with real money with all eyes on you. Then it becomes easy to choke.

[@rayhjr72]

13 rolls total with 3 sevens...Math probability don't lie...1 out 4.3 rolls. Thanks for the tutorial. you shot perfectly!

[@edarmstrong5955]

While pretending to be able to control the dice doesn't hurt anyone, if they want to play like that, good for them. What I do have a problem with is when they expect everyone to buy into this nonsense. Frankly, I find it insulting to be lied to to my face, like some on KZbin that pretend to have control enough to hit inside or outside or whatever numbers. I do appreciate you showing these different aspects of the game. Good Job Color Up!

[@marcusnow8152]

El oh El. Its plausible that he's won a lot of money, and setting dice may have helped him. At the end of the day it just boils down to being lucky

[@tyronepowers76]

11:40 Did I almost hear “10, 10 the big one on the end” Nice video. Good to see you keeping it real with a single live roll.

[@ColorUp]

I may have almost said that ha!

[@tage202]

My favorite crap strategy is 6/8 hedge. It’s not going to make me rich but I don’t lose a ton of money like this dude. It keeps me in the game until there’s a hot shooter and make it more enjoyable to play.

[@DegenCash]

His guts in it as if it were real money “Signature betting strategy “ “Hold on let me do something real quick” “Dude hold on” 😆 Damn I’ve heard them all! Too relatable

[@jonathanappling9248]

Jonathan X even color up, had to say,,hold on,,wait a sec, this wasnt part of the strategy, dice king is like yea, this is what I do, I lose my money then I lose my focus and start betting willy nilly hoping I get lucky. Then I walk out of the casino pissed and pull double the bank roll out of my bank and come back tomorrow and do the same thing except im going $1280 across “cause thats how you make money” 🤣🤣

[@ScottWatsonKorgano]

This looks to me like it has potential. You'll notice the only times he got the 7 was when his shot wasn't controlled. One die went squirrely. The times when his shots were controlled, hit the back wall, and died right away, he was hitting numbers. There's potential here, but it looks like he simply made some mistakes.

[@alexandramcgraw3227]

Scott Watson I think any thing is possible I also think with practice you can influence the dice but he can’t control them in a house game with no stress how can you bet that kinda money at a casino with al the real pressure

[@jcjr5563]

I think your right, I have watched his videos and a lot of times his dice stop together and land softly inches from wall. I have praised him for that. Issue is I have yet to see any training device that gives you feedback if your dice hit squarely on the table. That would definitely hurt the casinos.

[@jcjr5563]

That was brutal and way too aggressive. If you are truly a dice controller/influencer then there is no need to be that aggressive. Get your initial investment out, turn off your bet or even cash out half of them and on your next attempt your "are playing with casino money" (as they say) and then go for it. I've seen King Dice throw and I can tell the pressure was on. That is the difference with practicing at home and playing for real at the casino. I see this with a lot of youtubers who show videos and then hit the casino and crap out. I do believe in influencing the dice at a very small percentage but under pressure very few are able to do it. I saw a live video of a dice setter rolling for over 40 minutes and hitting the same landing over and over winning thousands of dollars just to find out that he was down to his last $100 before that last roll.(If he was a true influencer, why was he down to his last $100.) I believe in the grind of regression (lowering your bets to you get your initial investment, about 3 hits) and then press and take. More conservative but a little win is better than big losses until waiting for the big roll.

[@Fanghurst]

Well said.

[@MisterMechanicV]

And it doesn't even have to be a small win when you play the short game. It's all scalable with your bankroll, if you can double a 100$ bankroll, you can double a 1000$ bankroll with the exact same rolls and strategy, just multiply your bets by 10. The silly part about this strategy he used, is that he is claiming to be making an advantage play due to his skilled throw. But an advantage player doesn't bet like a degenerate gambler trying to strike it rich.

[@garciajomg1]

Belief in influencing in a small percent . People think you believe in dice controll and think you gonna call the shot. Influence them 10-14%

[@Micololo2013]

Question : Why the walls of a crap table are full of diamonds? And why it's an obligation to shoot the dices on them. From this so simple answer I made my opinion about dice control. If you could explain to me how to control the rebounds of the 2 dices when they touch these diamonds maybe after that I will believe then it's possible to control the dices. Until now I still only believe luck you need to win

[@edarmstrong5955]

Exactly! If you watch the dice in slow-motion, there is no way to convince a rational person it isn't random.

[@rdwright505]

I feel DKs pain in this video. It happens to me too often that I get to the point where the chips will start paying and I hit that damn 7. And if I make any attempt to chase losses it always comes within 2 or 3 rolls. Whether I am throwing random or using a dice set with some attempt to land on target. Your head messes with you when you get to a certain point and bam, big red when any doubt or nerves sets in. Thanks for keeping it all real!

[@ChristopherBowen-zg9co]

I've been thinking about this but I turn off on 4 rolls worked better for me..🎉❤

[@pettis14]

King was STEAMING. Need to have tip top discipline

[@fmann7545]

That was an honest assessment of how craps works , I appreciate the video I know you didn't have to post it, but there were lessons learned. Im only a novice, but I thought the bankroll was to light for the bet size , I guess that comes from confidence, but it seemed light. The second was , you went on tilt a little bit and doubled down instead of reducing your bet . pretty normal , but dangerous. I liked your strategy, Ill try it at home. thanks .

[@TheVegasParadise]

This one isn't for me. I'll stick to the Iron Cross, especially because with this you're hitting the point and not collecting, when you could be collecting the field bet, pass line bet, AND odds from the pass line.

[@seanjones3551]

If your point is 10, bring down the place, and then lay the 10 ...assuming you are playing across...never let the 4 or 10 hit twice

[@ColorUp]

Can’t control whether the 4 or 10 rolls again. your suggestion would be great if 7 rolls first, not great idea if the number rolls again.

[@tonystevens6981]

Hey Color Up, King Dice appear to be a student of the Golden Touch school. Of which I am also. You can tell by the grip and throw. So please do not think that his throws are represententive of dice contorllers or influencers. If you really want to film someone that can produce in front of a camera, I would say go to The Dominator or his buddy Frank Scoblete. They will show you rolls you only hear about. Keep up the good work on the videos.

[@ColorUp]

Would love to, trick is for them to accept invite to go on camera.

[@tonystevens6981]

@@ColorUp I know, that's always the hard part. But try a strategy that I use when I go to the casino. I have a 12k bankroll. Took about 8 months to save. Anyway, I place 600 on the 5 6 8 and 9 each, and 300 in the field. A version of the Iron Cross. So I say I want to win at least 300 on every roll. Now once I make 1k I take everything down wait for the 7. If he makes his point I still will not bet on him unless he hit a 7 like on the comeout. Otherwise on to the next player. I set for myself how much i want to make before I walk. useually 2 - 3k. Been doing this for about 6 yrs.

[@cjenterprize]

Dice Influence can be profitable IF you are willing to practice, practice, and practice some more. It takes several months at least to become proficient. The only problem is if your shooting arm gets injured... Game over until you recover fully. I prefer a strong betting strategy because it involves using your brain. In this case you can still play if you hurt your shooting arm. Furthermore, you can become a craps betting master FASTER than a dice influencer master. Just my humble opinion.

[@nickboretz1774]

How about two rolls and regress to 180 across? or less. You would have been nicely ahead even with your poor shooting. You shouldn't rock before your shot. Shoot from the deck and focus on your LZ and height of shot.

[@ColorUp]

You can regress after 2. He was confident he could roll 5...it didn’t work out

[@greatsdeals3014]

This is a common mistake I see all the time at the casino. A guy keeps max pressing then a guy goes out and he loses everything. You should press after you hit the once, so the 5 hits you take the money the 5 hits again then you press. Always make the number pay you first before you press. That way you never lose your initial money you started with

[@CSLintheCASINO]

I’ll stop trolling your “dice control” videos now. Do your thing Color Up. You’re a smarter businessman than I am. Dice Controlers & those interested in it are probably the largest demographic of all craps video watchers.

[@ColorUp]

They are indeed. While I’m highly skeptical, I am interested in their opinions. It is certainly good for the game if craps. And if people enjoy it, why not. I certainly won’t be telling people it’s possible anytime soon. And if I find the magic ticket, I’ll be playing not making videos ;) your comments are always welcome!

[@alexandramcgraw3227]

Yeahh buddy

[@slicer316]

​@@ColorUp I think that one of the most difficult issues in the question of whether or not dice control is real or not is that you would need an insanely large sample size in order to prove it one way or the other. Variance in dice throwing is extremely high and as most dice controllers will say their goal isn't to be able to tell you exactly what number comes up every time, it's to extend their roll by a couple. You would need literally hundreds of thousands of rolls in order to see if the average was raised by dice control and to account for variance. Is it technically possible to aid yourself through dice control based on physics alone? I suppose it is possible but it would be insanely difficult to be able to control the rotation to that degree and to hit the exact same spot with the dice every time from 12 feet away (and I mean exact same spot, we're not talking about 5 inches being an okay difference). The throw would need to be literally exact every time. I know there are examples of robots being able to be programmed to accomplish this, but a human? I'm skeptical. Based on physics is it possible? Yes, even including the back wall. Once you take humanity into the equation? I don't think so.

[@slicer316]

@555 Oh I'm not disagreeing with you. I mean, what you're describing is literally what I was saying. That's why I said millions of throws to prove or disprove.

[@gbbrvern]

is this your new table?

[@garciajomg1]

What's your opinion on this strategy? I like it . Maybe a lower starting across . Maybe a 5 press, then a 4 .

[@exceedinghomes]

This shows that the game is a lot of chance and I really appreciate you showing the pitfalls of the strategy as well. I think we all have either been, or been next to the people that roll this bad, and then turn around once you have had enough and go on to roll 20+ times! Love the video - but for those of us without the humongous bankroll, it would be great to see this played out scaled down to much smaller increments. Keep up the great work! Hope to see you at the casino sometime!

[@chroniccrypto5621]

So question. If you have your bets working on the comeout roll can they not be lost? I'm confused on that.

[@ColorUp]

If they are working on the come out, they can win or lose all to the 7.

[@ThePandaMike]

Love this Jeremy! KD was livid! Can't wait to watch the extended!

[@Jagr00nage]

I watched the video on the dudes channel, I gotta say, your camera angle and lighting is great. It really makes the table look a lot nicer than I was expecting. Strategy wise this one is way too crazy for me lol. I don't necessarily believe in dice control, but if you have the advantage of getting extra rolls, I understand why you would do a strategy like this. Only thing I would say is you should have a lot more than $2000 in your bankroll to run this strategy at $355 a shooter.

[@ColorUp]

His table is beautiful. As far as bigger bankroll...if you can control dice you don’t really need it...

[@Jagr00nage]

@@ColorUp I mean your goal is to get a slight edge over the house enough to make it profitable over the long run. At least that's how card counting in blackjack works. Dice influence shouldn't eliminate the 7 it should delay it enough to give you some advantage. Only thing is in craps it's harder to calculate what edge you get from dice influence.

[@ColorUp]

@@Jagr00nage I agree with you. I just meant if you are confident you can roll 5 times, which is less than probability dictates, then you shouldn't need a bigger bankroll, and this should work...It obviously did not here

[@chenryrex]

Just a note. I noticed that he's setting the dice but the landing is where his dice are losing their axis. The dice should hit the table before they hit the wall, to lose some of their power, so they don't randomize as much. Not trying to be a "know it all" because I don't know all but, I think it would help if he hit the table before the wall.

[@ColorUp]

his landing zone is before the wall...when hitting the wall first it was a missed shot

[@chenryrex]

What I'm seeing, when he's not hitting the wall first, he is throwing into the mixing bowl, randomizing the dice.. The idea behind controlled shooting is the expend most of the force of the dice by making them hit the table and bounce, gently, against the flat of the wall. There is one man I saw at Gold Strike casino Tunica, MS who, when he threw the dice, it was so gentle that when it hit the table, it barely made any sound and many of hit shots barely hit the wall and several landed right at the edge of where the table meets the wall. It was incredible. That is the throw I aspire to.

[@rcojrpc2085]

YOU ARE SO CORRECT. HE MAY HAVE BEEN NERVOUS. EVERYONE ON THIS COMMENT PAGE IS BADGERING HIM.

[@chenryrex]

@@rcojrpc2085 I really don't understand people who don't believe dice control is possible. If you don't think it can be done, just ignore it. It's like people who don't believe in God. If you don't believe, just keep scrolling, when you get to a comment about God.

[@lesbolstad]

Dice setting, haha! Watch the dice when they hit the wall. There's is not a chance in hell a shooter has any control over the outcome. All rolls are completely random.

[@stevenmurata4392]

Why are the intial bets so high? (I know, we can scale down but easier to scale up, too much division, lol.)

[@ColorUp]

Just showing what he likes to do. Higher amounts because of his confidence.

[@MrJzM]

Is that a field with 2 AND 12 paying triple???

[@ColorUp]

Yes, it would be a zero house edge

[@baileypawsplays1047]

I like these collaborative videos.

[@ColorUp]

Good, I hope to do more

[@baileypawsplays1047]

@@ColorUp at the end of the day. It's open right?. You are not closing your mind off to something... so extra props beside the immediate thumbs downs. Some people just don't get it. All Good. It takes a lot of guts to be a neutral party.

[@ColorUp]

@@baileypawsplays1047 no reason to close mind until I see thousands of rolls as "evidence"

[@born2rolldice]

Good video, he goes 20 plus on extended video so he proved it is highly probable you can influence the roll , just not as consistent as he would like.

[@elrey3723]

Doesn’t the 3-V usually get 7’s or 11? I usually do the 3-V on the come out roll

[@jonathangerac2820]

The strategy itself isn’t too bad, frankly a lot of ppl use some variation of it anyways (3 hits and down, etc.) He just shot poorly and didn’t even meet the status all average let alone the toted 9 or 10 pitch count. This outcome wasn’t surprising to anyone, but ColorUp I’m glad you showed it and kept an open mind about it.

[@The_hungry_uso]

Starting out small, $320 across please... can't wait till Vegas is up and running on all cylinders. Let's win

[@MrJenten10]

Why continue to press , why not just pound it in to start ? and then run?, i was at Foxwoods on sunday and a guy was betting the 6 and 8 ONLY 600 each, he clobbered it and left......

[@paulandrews1356]

From the first video, I was left thinking that the King is a great sales person so my guard was up. His rolls were splattering all over the place! After seeing some of his other play, do you feel dice control is a sham? Sure, a good sport for putting himself out there but can you make any excuses on his behalf? Love this channel!!

[@ColorUp]

I just show results. People can make their own opinions. No need to make excuses for him, he a big boy ha. I can say , we had fun and he a super nice guy.

[@christheimortal]

Oh man, dice setting works!!!

[@jetskivan]

Great perspective on the strategy. Do you have different dice sets for different strategies? Do you ever change your dice set depending on how you are throwing?

[@ThePepperfly]

Two rounds of five rolls and then down ? I'm nervous by the time I get to roll #4, and by then I'm surely expecting big red. Not putting negative energy out by focusing on that. I just think 4 is a safe "pitch count" for a random roller, which, of course, I toss. I might set my dice on my fave pips for superstition, but I'm no dice influencer. I played my own hybrid "Field Hopper's DC" strategy (for lack of a better title). It's kind of a hybrid dark side strategy, betting to hit on a couple place numbers with field hits paying for DC bets, hopping sevens as a hedge when I parlay some craps numbers on the DC or until I take my place bets down. I used your same rolls starting with a measly $400 bankroll on a $25 table (I assumed that was the table min in this vid). Typically I try to get three DCs up and wait for the 7, but obviously not with these rolls. Nonetheless, these rolls made me $165 richer, which I'm happy to walk away with (and go back to a $5 or $10 table). 🎲😉

[@jameshenderson8020]

I get principle of the system however seems like some collection is needed during the process.

[@Greenday.colorupclub]

Dice control? Couldn't even match the mathematical average. First rule of craps cover your outlay as quickly as possible once your on house money go crazy and see what happens.

[@yomamaso100]

Amen!!!! Mine as well Its their money Just dont go below what you bought in with

[@huntermarkham8504]

If you bet $5 don’t pass bet and than after a point is made place a $5 bet on what ever the point is wouldn’t you have no risk. Even in the long run you would be making more money than you would lose on the come out roll right?

[@ColorUp]

You would have no risk of losing money as you describe. Depending on the point, if place bet wins you would profit, $1-4, if 7 rolls you break even. this will not make money in the long run as the don’t pass loses to a 7 and 11 on the come out losing $5. With the 7 being the most common number.

[@tracy125]

no call bets does that mean you can't do odds?

[@ColorUp]

means you can't call or yell out your bet to the dealer. You have to hand the dealer your money and the bet has to be booked before the dice roll. In past people used call bets and would cheat the system. ie. "place the 6" while the dice where in the air, and when it lands on a 7, they would say "No i said lay the 6 not place it" things like that

[@jcjr5563]

No, you can place odds. The "No Call Bet" is a rule/policy were you can not call a bet without sufficient funds. When there is no mention of this you can simply call out a bet without placing your chips as long as the dealer sees your chips on the rack and knows you can pay. Never seen it done but it is plausible. Sometimes the game is fast and you are distracted and can't place your chips fast enough or you do not want to throw your chips when the dice are out you can simply call the bet.

[@txkevin3467]

I play this strategy.....where you keep putting money on the table and never collect........A LOT. I thought I was just a terrible player. Wait.....I got to #7 finally. Makes more sense now.

[@AndrewHacking]

Great video on what not to do. Thanks for sharing. It confirms yet again that the only real influence in DI is influencing people to believe that the laws of physics can be bent to your will if only you practice, practice, practice. Honestly I couldn't tell the difference between my own or other shooters random throws and those "influenced" throws. 😋

[@ColorUp]

While I’m very skeptical, to be fair, one small throw sample doesn’t confirm one way or other.

[@AndrewHacking]

@@ColorUp I understand what you're saying, too little data to make a conclusion. Proving better than random is practically impossible due to the number of throws and the physical fatigue attempting such a feat. For me your video demonstrates the importance of bankroll mangement, bet sizing and risk and sticking to your plan. It showed that you can't reliably bet on dice influence whether real or imagined without getting the other parts right.

[@Brantoc]

Things get real for the best... Even Tiger woods has double bogies..

[@ryanvanderheyden3324]

Great video again. Shows u can hit or lose. I like that there is no question about it being real. I would love to try this strategy

[@ColorUp]

I like the concept, I may try it, at $32 across ha

[@only1wayJC]

This betting strategy causes stomach ache and heart burn.

[@ColorUp]

Sorry

[@only1wayJC]

@@ColorUp Not for me, I dont have to explain that to my wife.

[@only1wayJC]

@@ColorUp Thats keeping it real, Thanks. Thats how fast a casino will take your money. His act of desperation in the end. When your losing it just gets worse. Better would have been to show us how to grind your way back up.

[@Joniisan]

Great video! I really appreciate the editing for this one! I tried watching the live session vid from King Dice, but it was too difficult to follow. Thanks for the organic video on dice control, would be interested in seeing you trying a betting system with a dice controller's 30 rolls vs random roller.

[@logicreversed18t]

So only the cool kids at the club get to see the good stuff? Guess I'll be skipping ads from here on out. Seems a fair trade.

[@jcjr5563]

Love this Dice Influence ( DI) and collaboration video. I built a craps table and I practice DI to get an advantage in this game. What I have learned so far (4,000 tracked rolls) is that I am more consistent with DI than when I shoot random (I track both for comparison and betting strategy for other rollers) Funny thing is my top 5 longest rolls are random (40+ vs highest dice setting 38) but I have so many point 7's shooting random 2.5x than DI. I can see why Dice King believes in the 5 and out. I consistently shoot 6.8 times on average which is higher than the 6 rolls expected. Is that influence? I don't think so, but the numbers say I am better off.

[@chromeframecovers9430]

JC, thanks for the comment. I didn't think DI works. But based on your research, it might give me a very slight edge. Even if it's just mental. Gonna start practicing today.

[@neilrichey1998]

9:35 You got it right, it's the bankroll that is important, not some fallacy that someone can shoot less 7's, Who only bring enough bank roll for 1.5x shooters with his 'signature betting strategy' . For a so called DI, he shot a 7 1:5 rolls twice in a row, where probability is 6:36, or 1:6, worse than a so called 'random shooter'

[@DrKnowCraps]

I actually tried this same technique last weekend in Indiana The box lady made the dealers take down my bets after 5 roles of being off - frustrating I did this for 3 rolls on random shooters

[@thefirstspackel]

I am a dice setter and I will do 32 across, working on the come out roll. Turn bets off after 3 rolls. The last time I went to Vegas I played for 6 hours. My objective was to never lose my 32 across and hit the ATS. After a few hours learning the table (each table is different) I was always 1 away from rolling a small or tall but my roll count was in the 20's and 30's. Walked away from the table with the same $100 I started with but I always tipped the dealers. This guy let his mind beat him.

[@emoe40]

I wouldnt bet on this dude he was sweating bullets. Can you say "Snake oil salesman"

[@ScottWatsonKorgano]

I noticed that too. He was nervous. You could tell by watching his hands. I bet that had a lot to do with the result.

[@ColorUp]

He was under a lot of pressure...knowing 10k plus people will watch and criticize you for everything is not easy. He would be roasted even if he did well.

[@emoe40]

@@ColorUp He has over 2k followers. This happens to all of us that play this game. You on the other hand, take this side of the game with humility understanding of this game.

[@crickerson8066]

@@ColorUp I think if it was his bank roll, it would make him more nervous than 10K viewers, so that shouldn't have been an issue. And if he's been practicing for 1-1/2 yr. then muscle memory should have controlled the throw. I'm a big believer in dice control and I practice it on every throw, but this guy is no Dominator or Frank Scoblete. I enjoy all of your videos but this guy isn't helping your credibility. Nice guy or not. I win more than 60% and I have casino invites often with free table monies and overnight stays, so I guess I'm doing okay. (they're wanting their money back). And I'm a 5$ strategy player. Granted I usually have $75 to $100 dollars on the table, but most of that is casino money as I don't falter from my strategy when up or down. I hope you keep up the good work, but don't falter from your success. Peace out!

[@cashierscage]

@@crickerson8066 mnk

[@bobcrane2720]

I do something similar, I bet 1% of my bankroll inside until I hit 1 number; then I regress to what I just won. Every time I increase my initial bet by $22, I increase the number of units by 10% (so if I bet $110 I need $11,000 and if I want to increase my initial bet to $132, I need $14520 in my bankroll.) I collect, press, power press; depending on my unit size and if I'm up for the session (my initial bet can be as large as 1/3 of my session wins if I have been winning consistently.) At 15 total rolls, I regress to $22 and then press 100% until I either hit table max, feel like the roll will end soon or I actually 7 out. I suspect, with dice control; you'll get 1 number or more 80% of the time (as opposed to expectation of 75%.) The last year I did this often, I won 12 out of 13 sessions; but it was 1/6th of the potential win if I can get a team of 6 people with my skill level (no empty tables in my region.)

[@blt1]

Hey ColorUp! I've been watching your youtube channel for a while now. You have a great banter on camera and I like your style and personality! I've noticed that with your exploration of different strategies you make what looks like a random toss but it isn't from a part of the table a real shooter would. Any chance you could maybe do a couple of things for us? One: Have a series of 'random' shooter approaches from what would be 'stick left one' on your table. Two: Demonstrate each of the strategies with a dice control/dice set approach? I really like your channel but would love to see how you can approach the strategies with a deliberate dice set and deliberate throw with an exact rotation and landing spot explained. I think your recent connection with KD might just be a great segue to this! Roll on! - Peace!

[@ColorUp]

I throw short just for the sake of the camera setup, but trust me, 3ft vs 6ft is not going to make the dice results any more random. As far as controlled throw, I cannot control the dice, so I leave that to others to try. I will continue to try and get guests on the channel that do practice dice control.

[@blt1]

@@ColorUp ok, thanks. I get that and I very much appreciate your reply! Since you said that you will try to link up with other craps players, how about Bone Thrower? m.kzbin.info/door/_c1rMnuJuqg4dEM04pTbRw I'm pretty sure he's not in your part of the country, so you might try to get in touch with him by email or something. I think you guys would likely get along pretty well. You might just turn into the Johnny Carson of craps channels by interviewing others. Who woulda thunk it? Peace! Roll on!

[@bryonpatrick4982]

It would be great to get videos on setting dice and seeing the mechanics and performance

[@ColorUp]

Lots of youtube channels cover that topic. Im not the expert for that.

[@luckyjigglywiggles5454]

that was amazing!!!!! i wish i could make money like that!!!

[@DrSurf-fx4gf]

Back in the day of this gentleman was playing in my pit I would have to inform him that he was slowing down the game, just pick up the dice and throw them. In order to keep management happy a dice influencer should be able to set, grip and toss in under 5 seconds. I have watched some pro's do it in under 3 seconds and hit their aim point every time. Just Saying.

[@robertmckay5839]

I have seen some people take their sweet time setting and rolling the dice. It may just depend on the casino.

[@rossgosla33]

Performance anxiety…KD not use to being in front of camera. Kudos to both ColorUp and KingDice for showing a high stakes/ risky proposition…love the content. BUT - the dice never lie

[@williamjohnson5877]

I believe a slight modification might help with this strategy. You want to protect your bankroll particularly early on, so that you can weather the losing streaks. I would therefore turn bets off after 3 numbers rolled for the first six attempts. So three rolls and off, another 3 rolls, then take bets down. Repeat that 2 more times for total of 6 three rolls and off, and taking bets down 3 times. Then, advance to 5 rolls and off. By then, you will have some profit added to your bank roll, and have longer staying power. I probably would not chase a series of losses with a triple up bet. Losing streaks always last longer than you anticipate.

[@36FullPressCraps]

Thanks J . Excellent explanation. Glad your showing how to bet with a good shooter.

[@yo-levenedbread5354]

I don't see how this strategy has anything to do with dice control. If the goal is 5 and out, then you're playing the probability of a seven, control or not. I'm a believer in dice control, but I'd like to see this strategy with a random throw. And maybe scaled down a little for the average player's bankroll.

[@Shooter11B]

Personally, I see the potential of this system. EVERYONE has bad days. But I would say he is most likely FAR AHEAD in winnings over ANY random roller career-wise. Random rolling is for chumps unless they have unnatural luck. Dice control is real, but I am more in the Bone Thrower camp where he calls it controlled random because the goal is to LIMIT the 7's not eliminate them. We all know that that is not possible. I know for a FACT that if I was following his system most days I COULD clean up. I base that statement on personal experience with my own practice throwing on my own practice setup at home. I am transitioning to a casino table in the next few weeks to see if what I have been practicing for the last 6 months will work there as well. I believe it will, and will let you all know. This system WILL work if you can do what is required. I know I can as a controlled shooter, but I guarantee that NO random roller could.

[@MrDogfish83]

Ok it's been a year, how did it work out for ya

[@Shooter11B]

@@MrDogfish83 Covid happened at that pretty much put an end to all this. But I am getting back to it now. I need to review this again to make sure I have the correct information. Thanks for asking though!

[@winfieldjenkins1328]

Some times you win and sometimes you lose. It's the game of craps. I have had good visits to the casino and some bad one's. I feel your pain

[@CrapsJourney]

Good editing as usual. Lots of learnings in this video. Both good and not so good. Aaron

[@kenttyler1243]

4 & 10...."Free Buy"....I've never seen this before, does this mean when you place a 4 or 10 you get it as a buy 4 or 10? in essence a free "true odds bet"?

[@ColorUp]

Correct, some casinos run it as a promotion. Albuquerque was famous for it.

[@kenttyler1243]

@@ColorUp Wow, how cool is that? Thanks

[@ColorUp]

@@kenttyler1243 Yeah, I'm not sure of anywhere that currently offers it. his table came from an Indian casino.

[@kenttyler1243]

@@ColorUp It's pretty nice, wish I had a table like that. I live close to an Indian casino in CA but unfortunately, there is no craps there, or maybe fortunately for me. I have to travel to Vegas or Reno to play, but really, it's the only casino game I ever really liked.

[@Twinsen764]

Can't even do his strategy here in Colorado.

[@ColorUp]

true $500 limits

[@Twinsen764]

100 limits actually that's state law

[@ColorUp]

@@Twinsen764 oh yes, 100 not 500

[@prfitnesscamp9020]

When you stray from your strategy it's the worst feeling in the world. I've done this before. ALWAYS remain calm in these situations. If you walk in with a game plan of "6 attempts" don't change it. If you lose, then you lose, but don't fuck yourself over

[@dollarhyme]

I remember watching this live on his channel. And seeing it now, I have a similar impression - how did you guys not go over this strategy and make sure you could explain it before starting filming? Not the rolling, which I always appreciate you showing everything, but the explaining, which took up a ridiculous amount of time and still didn't seem like you guys understood each other. P.s. definitely believe in dice control after trying out some of the techniques and I definitely feel like I could make some serious cash if I could go to a ln empty craps table and play this strategy.

[@ColorUp]

Thank you for your advice on improving the explanation of the strategy

[@shaolo6006]

To be fair to dice controllers, there was not much control on display here. When the distance between the dice is measured in feet vs inches its pretty random. And that last shot, hitting the wall before the table. He was obviously on tilt at that point.

[@ColorUp]

He had a rough go of it. Was under a lot of pressure to perform. Not everyday do you throw in front of 10k or more critical eyes.

[@shaolo6006]

@@ColorUp No doubt. Big props for doing it live!

[@willayc1]

Colorup have you ever practiced to see if you can make dice control work yourself? And if so, what were your findings?

[@ColorUp]

I have found I can’t beat probability. Seems more I roll the more in line with math it gets 🤷‍♂️

[@chadaitken5476]

If ur going to play this game of craps, having a strategy is better than winging it. If you roll the dice, having a routine (putting a golf ball) is better than a random roll. Min roll strategy and out like the 5 out is better than looking for the long roll. The only mistake for KD was going on tilt and increasing his bet. Use KD’s 5 and out as a core script and alter it for yourself. Example: if you 7 out on the 5th roll, make it a 4 and out on the next cession. Insight: the reason for the higher starting amount is that it makes the break even easier (325.00) if KD rolled 5 times. Lower amounts (32.00 across, is alittle harder break even).

[@deancarver6899]

Most all casinos here in Washington will only allow you bets to sit "off" for 3 rolls then they automatically take them down for you

[@ColorUp]

Thats reasonable i think, if you are going to sit there with them off, forever, just get them returned.

[@nutty786]

From this video, it looks like king dice's dice control method didn't work. What are your thoughts on that? However, later in your video, you commented that there were 20 dice rolls for your color up club. Did that make you re-evaluate your perspective?

[@ColorUp]

The extended version shows a winning roll. It would take, I don’t know, 10,000 rolls to confirm my perspective one way or the other.

[@albo9584]

Avg 5 rolls hmmm never been such a fam of dice king

[@justinmatsu291]

I'd like to see you make more videos of people other than you, trying their systems, this puts things into reality. With your commentating and control of the video production and putting systems to the test makes for "reality craps." Love your videos, keep doing what you do

[@andrew_popp]

This is the most asinine strategy. Turning your bets off and waiting for the 7 for you just to turn them back on is nuts. Really isn't convincing anyone of dice control. Dominic Loriggio "The Dominator" would be embarrassed watching this

[@kenttyler1243]

I wish I had my own table so I could practice controlled rolls. The dominator said he had to practice every day for months and months, all the time, for hours and hours.

[@jcjr5563]

I think this would make Dominator very happy on a lot of levels. Takes some heat off of him, casinos not worried about dice setters and banning the practice and it will drum up business for him as he is proven and it is a very refined skill.

[@BullToTheShit]

"The Dominator", just another con artist.

[@teebull9552]

Take 3 hits instead. Even random rollers have at least 3 numbers in them.

[@ColorUp]

Sometimes

[@teebull9552]

@@ColorUp I feel the "heavens ladder" and "6/8 stretch" might be the best way to go. You can always start with alot more for 1,2 hits and reduce down. Besides, who enjoys playing by themselves?

[@ColorUp]

I guess depends on your goal, mine is to have fun and enjoy the action so a full table for me

[@teebull9552]

@@ColorUp agreed...would love to see those 2 strategies played by a controlled shooter.

[@STUIPEDCHICKEN]

working on the come out? dudes is definitely going to roll out with no profits

[@gbbrvern]

empty tables are hard to come by

[@emoe40]

Color up ... dude... if you don't buy the rights to this guys life/ story, and sell it to HBO as a tragic comedy you will be missing out on a hit of the year.

[@buddyc859]

Loved this

[@jesussaeta8383]

Wow King just watching this cause I’m in Vegas, OMG I’ll have a pizza but you …….’nk

[@mikejames5484]

Turns out just repeating the phrase "Let's say we hit the 10 again" over and over while Color Up tries to remind you there are 27 other dice combinations that aren't 7 doesn't count as dice control.