Avoid Early 7's Craps Strategy

[@Kensingtonlane]

I've been playing this way for about 25 years. I figured it out myself and it tends to work without odds until you are up by 50%. If you have 200 bucks and are on a 10.00 table you can play for hours as others just come and go. You are literally treading water and waiting for a hot roll on "the right side". The don't pass is just insurance. I do 2 come bets and wait for 3 straight passes to move to the pass line.

[@ProCraps]

Thanks for riding the horseman, Jeremy! Had a blast in Reno can’t wait to go and play again. This strategy is a ton of fun as you start to feel it and wander away from the 4 unit base. I love that it gives you the options to do things your own way but also gives some good stability

[@ProCraps]

@PJ Strong LOL. I never intend for anyone to play it straight 4 bets. That’s just base. And yes you’ll grind all night on it. Try it with a lay on the DP. Or by ore-setting $44 inside and let the come bets knock those down. It’s a great springboard. This works best if you are creative after roll 4 or if you pound the don’t early The name came about because I used to hedge the come out 7 with a lay 4. But that’s a bad recipe. So I killed the hedge, and thus the name.

[@slloyd9892]

So I used this strategy this weekend at Atlantis. 6 dollar big red and 5 dollar eleven hedge on come out. The come out 11's alone put me way ahead surprisingly. Big red just softened the blow if 7 came out only a 4 dollar loss. Point 7's made me giddy. The only scares are when knocked off point and have 75 dollars sitting there working on come out. Would go back on DP bet 30 on big red (rather lose 30 than 100) if 7 hit I'd lose 100 (DP and working come bets) but win 120 on big red. I'd then sit the rest of that shooters round out. I've never played 25 dollars before but figured I'd do it since that's how the strategy was presented. In multiple sessions I actually walked away coloring up. Since this strategy is very similar to the "growth" strategy I was weary on trying it. Glad I did though. Pretty much my favorite strategy now.

[@rugger1009]

@@slloyd9892 Try the pass line with at least double odds. Then making two come bets ( which will offer some protection from the early 7). I like to have 3 numbers working 4 if you feel a hot table. This does leave you out there but when the numbers start hitting it’s great fun hearing the dealer say “off and on”.

[@slloyd9892]

Actually used this with a twist this weekend (lol I live to close to Reno) Still 25 don't pass , but instead of 25 come I used 10 come and added 15 odds or 16 if it was 5 or 9. Still risking same amount but if a number repeats bigger payouts (4 and 10= $40, 5 and 9 = $35 and 6 and 8= $28 ) but if point 7 hits its only $35 vs $50. The best part is if you get on 3 numbers and shooter hits his point, if he 7's on come out you lose 30 instead of 75 and get your odds back.

[@ProCraps]

@@slloyd9892 I like it ... I'll roll that out in the coming weeks. One thing off the bat that we need to figure out is when to place the odds. As the come bets come through, they provide 7 wins along the way. If you add the odds as you go, then after the first come bet is set, you no longer have that win on the short roll. It might be to get them all set, then add the odds. You run the risk of an early repeat without odds, but that's the lesser of the 2 evils, I think?

[@RichieMain]

Really like this. My "follow the trend" in your example hand would be to take odds on the don't bet. Break even on 7 and get paid on 3 other numbers. I like this position.

[@toowiseforyou]

Yes, but I pull those odds as I hit numbers & profit. (as the table 'heats up' lol)

[@golfer4713]

Interesting way to go - might try out building the Come bets from $5 up and put odds on the Don't to offset and let bets come down as they hit until the patterns emerge

[@williammedve1061]

Great video and strategy quick and to the point. Other videos explain that a 6 or 8 pays 7 for 6 or 5 0r 9 pays 7 for 5 99.9 % of people watching dice videos know that. Good work. First video I saw that doesn't explain.the basics. Beautiful .

[@ColorUp]

Well I certainly repeat the basics in many of my videos as so many viewers are new to game. Glad you liked this one

[@Kenknowsgambling]

My buddy John at Peo Craps is indeed a great guy. Great video Jeremy. I may have to roll that over here.

[@samblue5741]

id like to see you do a video of 2 players deploying 2 of your favorite simple strategies, 1 pass and 1 dont. im always playing with at least one buddy. be fun to see a few 2 person strategies.

[@Aarona-lj6wp]

There was a video similar to this a few years ago, and I have adopted that strategy. 1 unit on don’t pass, then 1 unit on a come bet. If the shooter is still going I put 1 unit on odds for the come and don’t pass. Then 2 units on come, up to 3 come bets with increasing units. Once you have 3 come bets going, and the shooter hits their point, then rolls 7 on the come out, that really hurts, but hit a few come bets with odds and your chip stack stays level and could grow

[@waltersuttle2159]

Used the system on a 15 dollar table, worked very well, kept me even. I hedged the come out and every come get, so didn’t win much, sure didn’t lose

[@tylerdurden639]

I bet against the dice. Seven, line away is my favorite phrase when I am at the craps table. I first reduce the house odds on the first roll, then I lay odds and have the advantage for the rest of the roll. Seven is the highest probability die roll. Nothing short of cheating or sorcery will change that. So I use it to my benefit.

[@ColorUp]

Don’t bet is great. Problem is the come out roll that decides the game 33% of the time, the dont is a huge 8:3 underdog. After point set, yep, the dont is always favored to win.

[@tylerdurden639]

@@ColorUp That's why I bet pass/don't pass or come/don't come. Some casinos have no offsetting bets, but if that happens, I take my money to their competitors!

[@maxkelter3561]

I really do like using the come bet now in my strategies. Before I always avoided it when playing craps. Thanks for explaining.

[@wferguson05]

Based it off of the 4 horseman and the headless horseman! Great video!

[@ferr614]

Jeremy, as a quick aside obviously you are doing a few things at the same time so you missed this opportunity. When the point was established as 4, you were playing the don't pass line with one come bet in play. Should you have laid max odds to back up your don't pass bet? The next roll was a 7.This was at the 13:40 point of the video. Thanks for the great content.

[@mike000395]

A lot like the "Growth" strategy. Another favorite.

[@pokerluckbox2063]

Tried this at the casino on the craps machine this morning. Won a small amount. Thanks for the idea!

[@Richiehd]

Thanks, heading to Vegas on Mar 29

[@2muchtime26]

Instead of 3 come bets you should make a place bet and a come bet after the point is made then follow with one last come bet. This makes at least one of your bets pay better than even money and you have the ability to take it down when you get in a sticky situation.

[@BlinDefender]

What I don't like about come bets is if the point is made, the come bets are working on the next come out. I've been wiped out so many times this way-it' sucks. Also there's the whole having to roll twice to get paid to consider as well. I guess the reason to make them is to get odds, but if you're not betting odds, place bets seem better.

[@MidAtlanticCraps]

Another great video Jeremy! John does a great job, as do you. I've watched almost everyone of your videos. I've rolled this out for John with a twist.... Love your content! Hopefully one day we can meet.

[@BoldlyDoug]

This seems like it would a fun strategy for a longer play. Will give it a shot soon.

[@rodlrfilmmakercreator1460]

Very good video. Question, Can I put one $10 bet on don't come and another $10 on a pass line, just to protection if the 7 come bebore the point? Then if the 7 not come for the first time , I can still playing the point with my pass line bet. Let me know if the casino let me do that and is that smart move. Thanks

[@dmoneydynomite]

It's a good strategy cause I see point in and out. Recently attended a table that had alot of horns or 7 then point in and 7 ouch on second roll.

[@dmoneydynomite]

I know your close to the table but you got a nice roll.

[@jimeronimo]

Yo Jeremy. Thanks for laying this out. Agreed, John is a "thinking man" for sure. He really analyzes strategies and simulations to no end.. this is definitely a good strategy to balance some things out for those short rolls.

[@RenaissanceM]

You live in Reno? That’s crazy, I just moved to Reno! Maybe I’ll see you at the Casinos one of these days. I used one of one of your strategies and managed to turn $300 into $1500. Talk about Coloring Up. 😊👍

[@ColorUp]

Yep, in Reno now :)

[@RenaissanceM]

@@ColorUp that’s awesome! You have a favorite Casino here? I won that $1500 over at the Peppermill this past Saturday.

[@ColorUp]

Peppermill is nicest, not sure of fav

[@82ndABNRNGR]

For the 4 dollars would it be worth hedging with a horn bet ? A

[@dcbrown5875]

Add a sacrificial 5 dollar any seven on first roll

[@jdorffer]

I did see a trend, on a table 2 players hit point 9 made point 7 out so I had pass line 25$ my wife rolls a 9, I place 10x max odds and after a long roll my wife hit the 9 and we made bank

[@albatrossin2]

The hard 6 @ 8:20 the puck was was off so it should of not been payed correct?

[@JoeFerber]

Not a bad strategy, interesting!

[@tylerdurden639]

My betting strategy is not allowed in some casinos. If they do not allow "Offsetting bets". Bet multiples of $30 on pass & don't pass. Then lay odds on the don't pass. Then just keep betting $30 on come/don't come and lay odds on the don't. Bet every roll. We want to see as many different numbers as we can before the 7 shows up, but don't care when it shows, just that it happens regularly as the odds say it should. Advantages of this system is that the offsetting bets gets you past the initial house advantage on the first roll of a shooter when 7/11 are winners. Once the points are set, we have the statistical advantage on every bet. The best part is that when points are made, you only lose one bet, but when the 7 shows, we win all our bets at once. I love leaving the table on a big win instead of a loss.

[@ColorUp]

called the "doey don't" It doesn't remove the house advantage for come out roll. The darn 12...Here is a video about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKqygnieacedh5I

[@tylerdurden639]

@@ColorUp Full agreement on the fact that it doesn't eliminate the house edge. Whatever number is barred (2,3 or 12) will lose the pass and push on the don't. Since I am laying odds against, reducing the initial roll odds (8 vs 4 to lose down to just 1 or 2 chances to lose half the base bet)is worth it to me. What this does in my estimation is to turn the game into much closer of a true odds game. Even money on pass/don't pass is not that great, and the casinos that allow sky high odds bets allows you to get true odds on a higher spread of bets. I haven't seen many casinos that cap the odds bets if the base bet is still under the table limit, but I suppose some do exist. Nice to see that you have a video talking about the system I use even if it is saying it's a bad way to bet, although it has one glaring error in it. When you have a bet on the don't and the barred number is rolled, the bet is a push, not a loss. Unless there are casinos that call that a loss. I would never play in those casinos though.

[@mcchacho1]

@@ColorUp Would'nt just a single dollar on Boxcars on the come out solve the issue? Don't stays up, (bar 12) lose pass line ($30) but win $30 for the $1 Midnight bet.

[@ColorUp]

$1 on 12 solves issue of losing line bet with doey dont. But now you have a bet with a 14% house edge. So long term not good idea, but certainly good when that 12 rolls

[@Flapergee]

I was rolling 7 out within 2-3 rolls. Just played dont pass and doubled my money

[@stewea57]

I played for the first time this weekend in AC after watching your videos. I appreciate what you do. What is the best strategy for a newbie when they only have $15 and $25 tables open?I I’m not a high bankroll player so I played the pass line, sometimes with odds and placed the 6 and 8 a few times it was hard to get anything going, lasted about an hour on the table was glad for the experience. Thanks

[@skilldeadly8888]

What I do on a 15 table is to put money on the pass. Once the point is established, put 18 on 6 and 8. 4 and 10 I put 1 times odds, 5 and 9 2 times, 6 and 8 3 times. If the point is 6 or 8, pull down your chips. Max bets are 50 to 58 per shooter. 3 hits on the 6 or 8 gets you money back. Depending on the rolls, you can make some good cash. As long as you don't start out with super short rolls, you should be making some cash.

[@homeemailacct.2]

You might as well stay at home if you wish to play this strategy. This strategy can be a loser for 3-4 rolls and you give up money on come bets placed on 4,10 because you aren't getting 2:1. Scared money makes no money.

[@bruceskiles4234]

Just curious, on the come out roll, why not make a $6 any seven bet and a $2 eleven bet to hedge against the 7, not a huge expense ($8) to protect the $25 don't pass bet ??? thank you for your response !!

[@ColorUp]

if every 4 times you make these hedge bets, you lose $24, you will lose more hedging than just losing to the 7/11 which will happen 1 in every 4.5 rolls. but it is certainly nice to have bet when it happens, up to you

[@John-qb8vd]

Any consideration of placing $3.00 on any craps while you are placing the $25.00 come bet? It would at least cover any crap number.

[@ColorUp]

At the $25 level it’s worth considering for sure

[@dennisristow2102]

Not a bad strategy. I'll have to try this one next time I'm at a table ;)

[@wb5mgr]

The deal with trends at the table is that most shooters are looking at a small sample size. The casino does not care about trends because over the large sample size they win.

[@roadrunner381]

Your right the casino doesn't care, they win anyway, but as a craps player, you should recognize a trend as quickly as possible, take advantage of it, then recognize its over, and stop betting it!

[@centauri8820]

Nice felt, where do you get something like that? Thanks.

[@ColorUp]

I got from either casino4you or casinosupply website, don’t remember which one

[@adamcregg2520]

You cannot replace come bets with place bets, come bets are a contract bet once established on a number, unless you're just referring to not using a come bet at all and placing bets once a point is established.

[@ProCraps]

After they get hit. They come down and then get replaced

[@christheimortal]

Just tried this at Winstar in Oklahoma at a Roll To Win table. $5 bets ended up with +$51. Would've been more if I didn't have to deal with a $.50 ante in Oklahoma.

[@ColorUp]

Ante at craps… boooo

[@christheimortal]

@@ColorUp Yeah, it sucks. But it's the closest one to me until the start allowing casinos in Texas.

[@ColorUp]

@@christheimortal I hope Texas opens up one day

[@gitsum]

Play one of the two the bubble craps machines there to avoid that .50 cent ante on the full tables. I was up there 2 weeks ago, playing a different system.

[@christheimortal]

@@gitsum Those are fun, but I like to throw the dice myself.

[@greg00623]

Until you roll craps on your second and third roll and lose 2 come bets and hit the point on your fourth roll and lose your don't pass bet.

[@JoeSappTCG]

Thanks. Really enjoyed this one. Can you elaborate on your favorite spots in Reno? Thank you!

[@ColorUp]

Once we get a good feel for them all, I’ll do a Reno review video

[@SilverChief]

Save a bundle use the Captains FIVE COUNT.. saves 46% of your bankroll on random shooters. Plus you still get table time on the house comp Card.. Buy in with $500 .. with the intention of only playing $100. Bigger buy in money builds up comp card $$ multiplied with the comp card time..

[@ColorUp]

I don't think many casinos calculate comps like that anymore. But I hope it works for you.

[@SilverChief]

@@ColorUp good to know.. as I never give the casino any of my info. I dont use comp cards.

[@ColorUp]

Yeah, most don’t care about buy in anymore, or overall time without bets. They take avg. bet amount and multiply by their expected rolls per hour. They are looking for a players expected loss amount and base the comp amount on that. less 🥩 meals and rooms for the players under corporate ownerships.

[@theclaybeartravels3596]

so I had a question about 2x, 3x and 4x odds. Ok I get that the odds behind the pass line has to follow the rule of 2x, 3x or 4x set by the table. However, I'm confused when it comes to betting the max amount in the come or place bets. I seen your video where you bet $96 in all the place bets (4- $15, 5-$15, 6-$18, 8-$18, 9-$15 , 10-$15). What was the $96 based on? (pass line bet? or something else? what was the multiplier?

[@ColorUp]

So the odds bet is 3x4x5x not 2x3x4x. As far as place bets they are based off of a table minumum. Which could range anywhere from $5 to $25. the example you mentioned, the video must of been based off a table that requires a minimum bet of $15. So every bet has to be at least $15. The 6 and 8 though should always be bet in multiples of 6 though as they payout is 7:6 so that why those should be bet, $6 on a $5 table, $12 on a $10 table, $18 on a $15 table and $30 on a $25 table.

[@theclaybeartravels3596]

@@ColorUp in this video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/npbKZ3WNaLWAfs0, you said $96 is the minimum bet, does that mean that all the place bets combined can only be less than the minimum bet? Say if I was on a $5000 table, I could have all my place bets added together can only be 5000 or less, or can I place 5000 on each place bet?

[@jimklemens5018]

The 3x, 4x, 5x rule only applies to the Odds bet. It has nothing to do with the maximum bet for Place bets or Come bets. The plaque on the inside of the table will show the maximum bet allowed. On a $15 or $25 minimum bet table, the maximum bet will typically be $2,000. If the table's maximum bet is $2,000 you could make a $2,000 Come bet before every roll. If the table's maximum bet is $2,000 you could make $2,000 Place bets on the 4, 5, 9, and 10. They would typically allow $2,400 Place bets on the 6 and 8 to keep them proper.

[@jimklemens5018]

@@theclaybeartravels3596 If the table's maximum bet is $5,000 you can make a $5,000 Place bet on the 4, 5, 9, and 10. They would typically allow a $5,400 Place bet on the 6 and 8 to keep them proper.

[@jimklemens5018]

@@theclaybeartravels3596 On that video, if you want to make an "across" Place bet on a $15 minimum bet table, you would need to Place bet $15 on the 4, $15 on the 5, $18 on the 6, $18 on the 8, $15 on the 9, and $15 on the 10. Total is $96.

[@PCL73314]

Is there an app you recommend to be test out these strategies?

[@ColorUp]

Sadly no, nothing I’d recommend. Many are clunky, I think some are not random but programmed to win so people leave good feedback/rating

[@thomastokarz817]

Turn come bets to place bets

[@miker6402]

One thing I can't stand more than a quick PSO is all these people who get combative with you or have to find a way to say something negative!

[@ColorUp]

Ha, it’s ok. They are watching and taking time to comment = secret fans 😉

[@miker6402]

@@ColorUp Absolutely! Better to be known and commented on (whether good or bad) than not to be commented on at all... or even worse, to be overlooked or forgotton! Great vids. They are always appreciated!

[@Mknight30355]

Each roll of the dice is an independent event.

[@ColorUp]

That is correct

[@angusblack9900]

I seen this play, but the fourth coin went to the dc.

[@andreashley6084]

9:39 if I touch the chips too long I clear my hands too; old habits die hard lol

[@danilocastillo7326]

Sounds more like Ichabod Crane of the Headless Horseman

[@jima611]

You would’ve made $50 dollars had you stuck to the strategy. You had 3 come bets, decided not to go on the dont pass. A 3 hit, which would’ve paid,, then the 7 came shortly after.

[@neilrichey1998]

"He is a thinking man"..."He likes to watch the table, and follow the trends." LOL!!!

[@ColorUp]

Check him out or don’t.

[@thomastokarz817]

You doing it good but the thing is you messed up a little bit she's going to combat wins and play specs that's how you make your money if you watch the KZbin channel that's the only way John Paul cops is a challenge to watch and explains it a lot better

[@jowbloe4700]

ROLL ON WITH A 7

[@dilippatel3268]

lot of wasted time for a loss of 25 bucks

[@mclyker]

I wish you'd stick with the system. When you do random stuff like guessing a number for odds or not playing the Dont on a come out its hard to accurately assess the winnings/losings.

[@ColorUp]

The system is random after the come bets are up. The created left it up to player. Do as you like.

[@mclyker]

@@ColorUp If the system is random.... It's not a system.

[@ColorUp]

Ok

[@ESFRESNO1]

Whats the darkside?

[@ColorUp]

Betting with the 7 instead of against

[@texdevildog9174]

I don't like the second guessing in the middle of the strategy. You should know what to do always and stick with the strategy.

[@ColorUp]

Sure, pick what you want to do in step 2 and go for it

[@jowbloe4700]

DON'T PASS

[@jowbloe4700]

EASY STREET WITH 9

[@misterchubbikins]

Otherwise know as "Jeremy is the shooter" strategy.

[@ColorUp]

Rude haha

[@misterchubbikins]

@@ColorUp 😆 just joshin' brah. You know we love you, guy

[@fortunatusnine2012]

🤔

[@emmanuelvacakis4463]

Unfortunately no betting strategy can overcome a house advantage. In won’t even dent it. Of course you can’t even lose at a greater rate than whatever the house advantage is. The trends that you mention are just variance. But once you get into the long run, variance no longer can be a determining factor. But if you want to play and if using a betting strategy is fun for you, by all means use it. If you are a control shooter, you are alternating the house percentage and if you are good enough at it, that percentage can swing to the players advantage. So then a betting strategy that reduces the total money you risk on random shooters and increases the total money risked on yourself will be beneficial to you.

[@ColorUp]

You have mentioned all things that are true. I have never encountered a controlled shooter that wins at game long term, but that would be the only way.

[@emmanuelvacakis4463]

@@ColorUp dice contact is possible, but you have to make the lowest house advantage bets possible. They are the Pass Line with maximum odds all the time, or the Don’t Pass laying maximum odds all the time. Betting the Pass Line, the idea is to reduce the chances for the Seven to show. Of course you want to reduce the Seven on Come Out rolls betting the Don’t Pass, but after a point has been established then you use the all Sevens dice set to roll the Seven. You use the hard way set to avoid the Seven. You should always have maximum odds working on Come Out rolls. You never want to get paid on numbers without odds. So if the flat bet is working, then the odds must work as well. The house will not allow you to have Come bets off on Come Out rolls like place bets. Perhaps they should allow the Come Bets to be off on Come Out rolls, and still keep them as contract bets that can’t be removed. That wouldn’t alter their advantage mathematically since they can’t be removed, unlike place bets that can be removed at any time. The 6 and 8 could be placed, but that’s still not a good idea because the house advantage is 3 times higher than the Pass Line with maximum odds. All other bets should never be made.

[@ColorUp]

@@emmanuelvacakis4463 not to get into big debate but if players could play with positive EV with dice control, the casino would ban just as they do card counting black jack players :)

[@emmanuelvacakis4463]

@@ColorUp absolutely

[@emmanuelvacakis4463]

@@ColorUp in fact I know someone who got banned from playing Craps. First the casino skied him to throw the dice with his other hand, then they shut the game down and took him to the back room to take his picture and put him in a data book that is distributed among many other casinos. He was still allowed in the casinos, but had to register with them upon entry, giving the casino the chance to either give him permission to play or not ahead of time. He had won $5000 from a downtown Reno casino.

[@CGDaprince836]

Waste

[@landogaming5324]

First?

[@ColorUp]

Looks like. Thanks

[@landogaming5324]

I love your videos lol

[@victropolis]

Using the word trend is not correct. It's not a trend.

[@saltmedia8071]

He has no idea how to use the word trends. Really needs to stop until he takes a basic stat class.

[@ColorUp]

Thanks for watching. I took statistics in college :)

[@saltmedia8071]

@@ColorUp Sorry. Retake a basic stats class. That better? You said rolls don't happen in probability, but trends happen. That's incredibly contradictive. Overall, it's dangerous for people that actually come to your channel for strategy. I've definitely heard you verbally explain your understanding of people taking your click bait as more serious than you intended. Being that you said that over a year ago, I'm going to expect more from you now. Thanks for responding so people can see the back and forth. 🤗

[@ColorUp]

Trends absolutely do happen. They do not roll according to probability in the short term. That’s how gambling works. Don’t really need to go back to school to understand that. Thanks for comments.

[@ColorUp]

It’s just variance. No I do not believe you can predict a trend as each roll is independent. But you can look back and define a string of rolls as a trend.