Colossus - Another Fine CV Addition

[@Flamuu]

12:03 Is really the cherry on top of the turd. Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/

[@acemay3]

amen brother i got chat ban for telling how broken the game is, from a gm. cant chat in game till 5/31/23 yeah me

[@fipsvonfipsenstein6704]

But now we can calm down again, right? It's quite simple ... when a problem arises in the game, WG will surely sell us the solution soon. The same procedure as every time.🤮

[@dodgedaytona7435]

You might need to try the bearn lock down method

[@cat19649]

early access game mechanics

[@adammarcinkowski-ko3el]

@@acemay3 LoL I got banned January 2022 for a year , and in March I got banned for 6 months ... I am recivist on WG forum and I have no intention to change ... oh tho they threat me that one more thing from me and I get perma ban ... I have two other accounts that i have created , played to point i can post ...

[@philippos5547]

WG has a great history of listening to player feedback. The silent majority that demanded submarines does not lie. The only winning move is not to play.

[@Michal_Peterka]

I wanted to return after years. I found that someone stole my account, but it was still linked to my email. So I changed the password and asked WG for changing my nickname back to original. It was the biggest mistake, they blocked my account because of suspicious activity and asked me for info from 12 years ago, that I do not have, to unlock it...

[@Adesterr]

@@Michal_Peterka There was a guy on youtube who discovered that old WoT accounts are used for boting. One can buy matches where one is the only player and everyone else is afk. They think that wargaming is aware of it and probably even benefits from this and even delivers the access to the old accounts. I am pretty sure this also happens in WoWs

[@nazamroth8427]

Well, I have never been particularly good at this game, but I stopped playing many moons ago. Who knew that I have been winning at WoWS for years now!?

[@Silamon2]

Remember when wargaming said submarines just didn't fit in the game? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpWxZGqcj8tjnpY I miss that.

[@Royallblu]

I am pretty sure, that the silent majority kinda wanted submarines; because you know submarines = cool boats... What they did not wanted is what they got: another WG-Shitshow.

[@boscochou9710]

Exclusive 10 CV vs. 10 CV game mode for maximum historical accuracy.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

Technically speaking US subs sank more in carriers then the rest of the navy combined...so 5ss 5cv matches let's goooooo!

[@filippomunari8147]

@@arizona_anime_fan the cvs can literally quit the game and they would still win

[@Arisudev]

They tried with 3v3 CV brawl in the past. Needless to say it was awful and nobody plays it, even the subhuman CV mains...

[@SmokeJam]

@@arizona_anime_fan Well 10 CVs were sunk by subs, 9 were sunk/fatally crippled by Aircrafts. I'd say the difference is minimal^^

[@shonix123]

They should gice us back rts... rts was not so op!!! There were real noflyzone and the long range AA worked well

[@remakerealm]

I no longer play this game but subscribe to Flamu still. It's because of vids like this that help constantly remind me I should not return.

[@Hydra360ci]

same.

[@krycin]

same

[@ToxicPotato85]

Same, but kinda getting tired. Got a Trenlass vid recommended earlier where he says you should be proud of losing a game in which you play really really well, Lmao!

[@jesusthesecond4759]

same

[@darrena2625]

Amen. And why I watch him on Twitch too. The rant against the game is always good to watch.

[@m3an]

This was the nail in the coffin for me. I played against this CV once and decided it's time to leave and not look back.

[@morty8304]

Congrats. Glad you finally found out how terrible WG really is.

[@unclerussman3736]

good choice man, for me it was getting done over badly by a CV every game on SEA server

[@sagetaylor3546]

Yeah, same. Every time I've "rage quite", it was because of a CV focusing me and DESTROYING me and I couldn't do anything about it... I've been playing this game since Beta, it's the worst it's ever been...

[@2639theboss]

How the fuck did it take you this long? And THIS is the breaking point? Not CV rework. Not subs. Not the puerto rico fiasco. Not the rewards slashing. Not the littlemouse crap. Not the lootbox controversy. But this. You deserve every lost dollar. Good lord.

[@armanhadi777]

It was the dastardly subs for me.

[@ludovitbradovka5208]

Had a game in the Tier 6 Nurnberg against Tier 8. They had a Colossus. I was his target. I survived a whopping 1 minute in the game.

[@dodgedaytona7435]

It's funny because in real life plane would avoid light cruisers because they usually had dual purpose main guns. So every gun on the ship was aimed at incoming planes.

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

lol no. Battleships would have more AAA guns. Planes are universal bane of ships.

[@dodgedaytona7435]

@Ivan Monahhov battleship don't have 6 inch AAA guns, light cruisers do. Battleships main battery was useless against planes.

[@IJN_Kaga_CV-3]

@@dodgedaytona7435 every NC class Battleship would disagree with that, please at least bother to looking up actual aa effectiveness reports before lying in the internet

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

@@dodgedaytona7435 6 inch dual purpose guns were too slow to reload and aim until 1950x to be effective. Battleships had quite a few 5 inch dual purpose guns.

[@bartoszboboryko4684]

@@dodgedaytona7435 battleships had like 12,7cm aa guns which shreded through planes.

[@giovybez8061]

"He's really having like the full fucking experience" 😂😂

[@NemoKeine]

I adapted to the game by selecting the "uninstall" option in the launcher

[@wolfbane3579]

lol same

[@cmft9358]

I remember coming back to the game when AP rocket planes were first introduced and the very first game I played I signed up in my Des Moines (strong AA cruiser btw haHAA) and immediately met a CV. I saw his planes come in and angled my nose inwards towards the attack to not give him my flat broadside which of course resulted in me showing broadside to a BB instead who then clapped me for over half of my hp before I got behind an island. The planes then came around for a 2nd swing because why would my AA shoot any of them down and I was too low on speed to angle in again and so he then clapped me down to having like 2k hp left at which point I decided to actually not come back to playing WoWs 👍

[@tyrodin_]

that hipper is the prime example of why the game is increasingly getting more and more passive, if there's a sub or cv on 9 out of 10 games people start to be more afraid of pushing cuz being aggresive in this game and trying to create a crossfire for example = getting spotted/tortured by the carrier or/and tortured by the sub, great game design in my opinion

[@intangible_kant]

There is no "wondering" about why people are leaving the game. WG thinks this game has a finite lifespan, like other games do. They see declining player numbers and assume the end of the game is approaching, so they rush to monetize while they still can. From that standpoint their balancing decisions make good rational sense, it just means they don't give a fuck as long as the premium shop is open for business.

[@teol2950]

They really hate their playerbase, don't they ?

[@krostouin]

Look at the CEO of WG, does he look like he ever turned on a monitor ? Straight from a russian prison to the mafia. All he cares is money, probably for laundering.

[@KondorDCS]

They always did.

[@ludovitbradovka5208]

Just found out? Well, at least they are not as bad as Gaijin, but they are very close to that lvl

[@SmokeJam]

The playerbase fluctuates enough to still have somewhat reasonable numbers. People who leave, just get replaced by the next newcomers. It's more accurate to say they hate their longterm players, because those guys did the grind and don't buy the new gimmick premium as much as new players do. Money is king, they don't care if the quality of gameplay suffers and new players don't know the difference from nowadays to a few years back in the era of RTS CVs.

[@Mr.DalekLK]

I admire the players of WG games that they haven't yet done what the War Thunder players have done. War thunder players practically forced the company to change its policy. Do review bombing them, start boycotting the game and that's it. Either they give in or destroy their game

[@Amin_ktm]

And that game still didn't change and became worse the only thing we have to do is stop playing these games and find our peace all these Russian companies wants is just money

[@gamebrigada2]

Unfortunately wg won't care, because most of the player base is dedicated people who don't play anything else.

[@mjsmith1242]

Don't worry this game isn't anymore in the next 2 years like flamu showed us. Good players are leaving and the rest doesn't stay that long

[@communisticus191]

you are so hopelessly naive if you think gaijin is going to change jack shit, WG is better than them for that, and thats not saying much. they released a PR statement to buy themselves time and to try and calm people down. The most I can see Gaijin doing is minor repair cost tweaks and if theyre feeling exceptionally generous they might reduce diminishing returns. you know, so the economy is only as bad as it was a year ago when everyone was still complaining. even back in 2018 the economy was terrible enough i had to drop out of the squadron i helped get to the number 2 spot on the server because i couldnt afford to keep practicing in all my SRE vehicles (and at the time especially, I was getting well above the average players results)

[@bobhazel2335]

​@Amin-hw7ec we find out if they change on like the 14th of June. Publicly they've agreed to do better but we will see ig

[@le_potate3861]

First animal researcher

[@aikurin3265]

We need the true counter to carriers being sniped, the ability to play HMS Habakkuk. That would be a carrier immune to being sniped :P

[@krycin]

create the problem and then sell the solution hahahah :)

[@terrystrates7089]

I feel as though a Wee Gee employee is gonna see this comment and doom us all to frozen carriers and non existent planes that can dev strike you without even taking off, probably gonna give us bouncing bombs that do 10.2k per citadel hit and every plane has 4, with the size of the attacking flight being 20

[@bertis-pu8km]

Being a 54% WR player with thousands of games played, I haven’t played the game for the last 3 weeks. Really had terrible experiences last time. And after seeing some very nice additions and very needed sub buffs , I’m considering leaving the game for good.

[@cemborembo]

you play games for fun. this game isn't fun anymore, just a really frustrating way to waste time. time to try other stuff.

[@ichasegaming]

"There is no player loss in WoWS, see these unmarked graphs we have. You clearly see that in the multiple years since the start of this graph to present, population is either stable or growing" -WG

[@geng92]

As soon as I see a colossus in the match whether my team or the other I basically give up because I know it'll just be a blow out or I'll just have a terrible time

[@ryankings6755]

That's a braindead attitude. Angle against the rockets and there crap. You only have to worry if your in a paper cruiser with literally no armour. It's definitely no worse than any other carrier, all it does is punish potatoes. Better than the yeeting cvs looking for perm floods or fires for damage which requires no braincells

[@lightbluewaves5526]

So giving your team the disadvantage of having a teammate less isn't a terrible time for your team?

[@flamedphoenix84]

I remember the days where AA actually could kill planes. The DM and Mino were no fly zone for CVs if they went close to them. It was great because when that happen because only experience CV player would know what to do it fight against it. Now, Everyone can kill any CA, CL, DD, BB. But Sub and CV are still difficult to destroy everytime. Even myself who has been playing the game since it came out. I have stopped playing anything mode except Operation if I do play.

[@jijoux9161]

6:48 flamu, you’re wrong. To adapt, you don’t run away to spawn, you quit the game, click on the uninstall button and got to bed to forget about the game

[@ThatOneDude7]

Me and everyone else watching WG do everything humanly possible to destroy their game : 😑

[@TallulahSoie]

Fits right in with the new radar DDs

[@miroslavzhelyazkov1985]

Flamu on a crushing winning streak against newest acts of WG's anti-player base behaviour. :)

[@johnvga6239]

5:54 it's still so crazy how penetrating high explosive shells into a tin can doesn't crack the submarine in half from overpressure alone

[@IJN_Kaga_CV-3]

Remember, those are subs that can go 4x the speed that actually when irl on top of the fact they can eat 3 depth charges and not die yet one irl would die to 1 just in the próx

[@thomasembleton1467]

Royal navy corsairs finally

[@rakanishus]

the 14 people who disliked this video all gambled for this CV

[@trandung824]

maybe they work for wg

[@Iron_Road]

There's a person who insists that having AA module and one or two AA captain skills you'd sufficiently defend against a CV

[@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass]

I know an idiot like that

[@Mithril_Antimarr]

nothing can stop a cv, but if you can take out enough of the Colossus's AP rocket planes the carrier is much less of a problem, however frankly I think CV like Colossus and Kaga should always be sniped as close to the start of games as possible.

[@doctorsmell]

For example it is me. But I don't use AA module, I take AA skill which costs 4 points and a flag. On some ships I have this skill and AA skill which costs 2 points as well. Of course I can't 100 % defend myself against super CVs but against other CVs I feel perfectly fine. But my experience as a CV player helps me to protect myself against other CVs as well.

[@communisticus191]

really depends on the ship, but you really kinda can (wont help for mountain climbing rockets tho). a gouden for example can get over 2.5k continuous damage with 12 flak bursts of 10k damage every 2 seconds, and since you're over the 10 flak burst threshold (the reason the worcester isnt amazing AA) they become effectively impossible to avoid, allowing you to eat even supercarrier squads pretty nicely (granted you need the seasoned commander). dalarna is even better due to the 100% flak accuracy, though of course a supership (halland is also good, but lacks enough flak bursts to be truly scary imo)

[@shonix123]

In tier 10 the matchmaker when you go full AA they made you play without cv but against sub

[@bradleynugent4991]

the one weakness of CV's (no devstrikes) has been remedied good job WG, can you imagine getting devstruck, with 0 counter, 30 seconds into the game

[@sozetsukokai9327]

Railguns on surface ships? Instant fix Railrockets on CV? Working as intended.

[@ericlemaire8524]

I am faaar away ... And will never come back, thx for comforting me in that choice !

[@AnthonyBowman]

Flamu shitting in WG gives me life.

[@tigershark7155]

Today I dropped 9/12 203mm HE shells onto a sub and did 3300 damage. I was able to dodge his first torp salvo. But not his 2nd. Much fun was being had.

[@sinceRENEss]

I´m just glad I don´t have to experience that anymore. RIP Wows

[@pierro9119]

Flammes, that man of science ! Thx, i learned something new again today ! :) Here comes another sniping rocket man ! Here I come ! :D

[@colmcorbec7031]

Exactly what the game needs.

[@gotafarmyet4691]

Nah, it now needs open boarders so ships can run farther. With this you can run away from the enemy for 20 minutes with you maybe seeing carrier air craft only. Yes, I know they will balance it by making subs move at 120 knots under water. They will also make a you have to buy it ship that shoots 200 km 30 inch guns.

[@j4cko56]

Not played for ages, this confirms I will never return!

[@WildwoodSon]

If WG released WOWS Classic - going back to a version where USS Cleveland was an OP tier 6 cruiser that CVs avoided like the plague. I wonder how many folks would play it.

[@shonix123]

It was my favorite game!! I was a cv main there... you will have cvs play themselves for 5 or 7 min to kill ourself or don t let enemy cv kill allies!!! It was a fun game i can controll fighters i can manual drop and yeah deff AA was hell with the fear skill that don t let aim well!! Many games ruined by that skill... it was balanced and cv players were elite players of the game!! Not this actual shit were everyone plays cv

[@sugoi4845]

Hot take on planes in WOWS: they are missiles. Missiles go fast and can be guided, planes go fast and can be guided, check Missiles can sometimes be intercepted by AA fire, planes can sometimes be intercepted by AA fire, check Missiles are usually used beyond visual range, planes are usually used beyond visual range, check Angling against missiles is useless, angling against planes is useless, check

[@olfoureyzguy5148]

Wargaming spreadsheet says all ships are balanced and all games are 100% fun.

[@bradley9856]

Youre witnessing another wargaming success story

[@Taylor86879]

"Everyone is ready to run" - 100% true. That 8km Rocket-Snipes... didnt know this is still possible... WG hello?

[@derimperatorlp8479]

Spreadsheet says we have fun and this is balanced

[@ActionableFreedom]

1. If a cruiser is pushing alone the friendly carrier is supposed to protect it or 2. if the CV is clearly on an other flank you're not supposed to solo push The problem with these rockets seems to be that ricochets are extremely rare. They look like OP Aquilla rockets or something instead of Richthofen ones.

[@pendragooon]

WG listens to player base. that.s the only way to securely design ships players will hate.

[@Leptospirosi]

2 years away, despite having paid WGreed handsomely for 5 years through premium ships, containers and premium time, wondering WHY on earth should I come back...

[@nobodyuknow4911]

[Spiffing Brit] PERFECTLY BALANCED!!! ^_^

[@blackzeuss]

Very balanced CV I was yesterday in a Yamato and the CV(Colossus) started focusing me in less then 3 min I went from full HP to 0. Damaged done only by the CV. And with me was a DeMoins.

[@45sticky]

Are we having fun yet? This is why I quit the game right before submarines became active in the game. I saw were this game was headed. And yes I spent a fair amount of coin playing the game. I love watching Flamu, he is one of my favorite personalities to watch. Sir, I feel your pain!

[@JbZeta]

I love that the only thing that kept sniping rockets from being a MASSIVE exploit this whole time was just AA being shit anyway

[@cookiecola5852]

Iv had my realization with this game once this cv came out

[@matthewblomstrom4190]

I think in one of his Eagle videos, Flambass sniped a ship with the Jet rocket planes

[@genericcitizen6684]

So glad I stopped playing about a month and a half ago. The subs are what did it for me, not sad I missed this CV.....

[@buk1237]

WGs ability to listen to feedback is why I stopped playing in 2020

[@cwjustcw1261]

I quit playing like 2 years or so ago but I still love Flamus vids and the great analysis of WG stupidity.

[@bandofbrothers5860]

7:20 right on point! On SEA Server 90% of the BB players now in the CV line (which is the reason why even more players want hyrbids so they don't have to use the guns) and then they just sit there together with the other BBs already running from the beginning of the match. No matter if it's a Yamato or an Ohio, they straigt run in the first minute with the highest HP class. I've seen a single T8 SS pushing one T10 BB flank and one colussuss pushing the other flank. And the disgusting thing about it is that SEA players don't just adapt by running, no they just keep buying the broken thing right of the shelf and that is how WG makes so much money. When do you ever see average players in a stock ship "having fun"? Same thing happened with Malta. If you go to the SEA server today you will see 90% Malta in T10 MM. I won the collussus I played 4 battles and never thouched it again. I still play the game but I'm boycotting that "I must have the newest broken crap" attitude.

[@aquaminato2010]

good job flamu 👍

[@FaceofDanger]

Legend shit talking by our boy Flamu

[@Loopholez91]

In WoT it's the BZ-176 literally the most broken tank. In WoWS it's a Collosus.

[@AutoriotM]

I took the Hornet out for a sail last night (spotting damage for Dockyard mission, I hate CVs) and the enemy CV was a Colossus. He didn't bother me much because I non-stop spotted him for the first few minutes while waiting for my teammates to kill it, which took them longer than I expected being that we had some t9 and 10 BB's. Anyways, Colossus out of the match early but we still lost of course. Now I see that if I had just been a Colossus I could have dealt with him myself in a fraction of the time and done a lot more to the enemy team.

[@KiziKitty]

"you just need to run .." i did, to different games XD

[@BrianMurphy80]

Imaging being dented enough to still think Wargaming would listen to feedback. They quite literally don't care.

[@Airblade101]

At the Hipper part. It's not even "Did the Hipper have a fun time?" it's "Did the Hipper even have a fucking chance?" He wasn't out of position. He wasn't technically doing anything wrong and he still lost his ship.

[@tiri6379]

Well... the only thing working effectively against everything else at the moment counters themselves. CVs and subs - You can take your sub across the map unspotted and go to shotgun the CV who annoys the rest of your team. The moment you ping the CV or get spotted by him (accidentally) you're basically dead, but so is the CV.

[@FdsJj]

Lloooll!! Almoust all CV can create crossfire!!)))

[@Straswa]

Well said Flamu, you made many good points.

[@rexstuff4655]

Every time I'm considering come back to the game, WG pulls this shit all over again, and I nope back to sanity.

[@Voygliz]

I adapted too. Press uninstall.

[@tahiribnmohammad5410]

IF sea lord mountbttem can devstrike a cruiser, you know you have issues 🤣

[@eikku5725]

"Oh a submarine just kite away" "Oh you should angled away" And all after that you still been dev strike because overmatch is fun in cruisers KEKW

[@armanhadi777]

A mildly competent Colossus dev struck a Serov and killed a Shokaku in 2 mins. Needless to say this developer is intentionally griefing the playerbase.

[@FuckeyDucky]

The Silent Majority has to mean the players that left the game.

[@andreaspedersen3952]

I remember joining the NA-WOWS stream a couple of moths ago, and mentioned the focus on making the low-skill level ships strong and impactful, and the most skill based ships less rewarding. Like light cruisers. I saw a light burn up in Boggzys face, and I saw he agreed a lot. I'm sure he wanted to say much more, but i guess he is limited by his position. Soon after they release a CV that can dev-strike CLs. Seems quite counter productive for a game who already struggles.

[@ericfavre2301]

glad i've stopped sinking time and money in this abusive relationship of a game...

[@MsBunkle]

SO GLAD I LEFT THIS DOG WATER GAME 2 YEARS AGO, I STILL LIKE TO CHECK IN HERE THOUGH, AND LAUGH ABIT :)

[@trololoev]

to be fair, if rockets at longer distance fly FASTER, then they should have better penetration.

[@Careoran]

Pay 2 Win officially introduced now to WoWs

[@ussliberty109]

Where have you been?

[@MrMyers758]

I play CV, and having fought against the colossus multiple times, I've taken my captain and am just running the previous tier CV so I don't have to fight them any more. They immediately go for CVs, and with their triple torpedo capacity and bombers that have a ridiculously long AOE and damage output, it is basically unplayable.

[@FdsJj]

Looolll! Other 2 grups in this CV are almoust shit!! So in totaly he is in balance!!

[@reallyfoobar]

WG should change the direction ships spawn in: turn them 180 degrees, so everyone can start kiting away right from the start. ;-)

[@Nico_Dica]

Imagine they would make a battle mode without CVs and Subs 🙃

[@IrrieldeCZ]

ranked? oh no...

[@wun1gee]

Kind of like how World of Tanks made a game mode without artill--no. No they didn't.

[@Fartblaster]

What i enjoy is these Russian companies (wg, gajin) have great ideas for games and makes them playable and enjoyable. They then do their level best to fuck it up.

[@infty1369]

AP rockets are HEAT rockets ^^

[@vende6137]

Yah, that's bullshit, WG has never ever listened to feedback. I remember back with the cpt rework and the CCs panic about some skills. People began to play it down "It's still like 6 month, WG will balance it" and it went live exactly like it was tested without any work done. It took another 6 months, nearly a year after the first reaction for WG actually doing something about it.

[@opposingcritter]

Feels like wargaming needs the war thunder steam bomb review to make them wake up

[@krautstar8013]

I adapted to the game by watching your vids iso playing the game,

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Flolo's chat certainly has some 'gems' in it ffs.... Heck I miss the streams 😂😂

[@BMPellogia]

Seeing WG's obsession with aircraft on WOWs made me realize something... Almost all skins they made for heavy tanks in WOT have some sort of gigantic anti-aircraft cannon welded to the top of the turret.....they are really mad that world of warplanes failed huh?

[@Todd.P]

But . . . but . . . but how do your GET it? I've searched the Armory, and it's not there!

[@ComeonmenID10T]

Flambass did it too the rocket thing

[@KGAnims]

Flamu saying pure truth here. WoWs matches devolved from skill-based gameplay into a RNG lotttery of "if i'm gonna get devstruck by OP shit today or i survive long enough to make some damage".

[@TR-kk2bh]

German CVs are sobbing in the corner

[@stonii8385]

Just like how Richthofen counters Malta hard, i found out Graf Zeppelin counters Colossus almost as good. You need about 3-5 torp drops to do it. So anyone thats got GZ, do your team a favor.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

I'm so glad I stopped playing this train wreck 2 years ago. I come back now and again to see what state of meltdown Flamu is in but have no desire to actually play the thing again. Which is a shame, I used to love that game!

[@antoniosanastasopoulos176]

Thanks for the replays and explaining how I was deleted from the game within seconds of leaving spawn. I’ve uninstallled the game, I rather play a game that is fair and more worthy of my time.

[@tonychiu1068]

I haven't played in 2 months. Good

[@Bohdisattva326]

As someone who plays all classes. A cv like this is no fun for anyone

[@captainworstpirateiveheard9842]

I've been looking forward to this one. Initial pressions, she was meh. But, i just did a 24k hit on a Balti broadside...., though it doesn't happen a lot. The HE bombs are okay, not as good as Indomitable imo, but they have the same weird landing pattern. I think Kaga is still a better premium T8 CV.

[@klmnts]

Great Success!

[@xhawkeye8717]

WarGambling says "MILLIONS" of players play.