Colt Checks out the Spanish Wondernine: the Star 30PK

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@brucerobert227
@brucerobert227 6 жыл бұрын
one thing very unique to these guns is the power of the hammer. I worked in a gunstore in the late 80's and when bored, we would drop #2 pencils eraser first into the barrel (YES< we made sure the gun was unloaded) , and dry fire. A 1911 would shoot the pencil about 6 feet, but the Star 30 would send the pencil FLYING across the gunstore, 20+ feet easily!
@robertkalinic335
@robertkalinic335 6 жыл бұрын
Lol
@DC2022
@DC2022 6 жыл бұрын
Could this be an issue with destroying primer or even case due to overpressure on this specific part?
@Deadtileyedie
@Deadtileyedie 6 жыл бұрын
Dimitri Chirvêches no, it's actually a good thing, lots of people do this kind of thing on cz's and other guns after market to make them more reliable, but it will make the trigger pull heavy that's about it
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 6 жыл бұрын
@@DC2022 I don't think you would have a problem as it doesn't make the firing pin go any deeper. My department once had problems with Glocks not firing Black Hills 45 ACP ammo, because they had harder primers. Our Colts and Sigs (this was a LONG time ago) would fire them just fine, so I would think having a good primer strike would be beneficial. Then again, I'm not an engineer or anything, so I very well could be wrong.
@waynehindes3396
@waynehindes3396 6 жыл бұрын
My Agency used to do this when we still carried S&W 65's. The instructor would pull the hammer back and stick a pencil down the barrel. If you just lightly tap the trigger enough to drop the sear but not holding it down the internal safety would stop the hammer from going all the way forward and nothing would happen. Hold the trigger and it would stick the pencil in the ceiling. Was just a fun way of showing the new recruits that the revolver did indeed have a safety (other than the one between their ears ) and yes Im old LOL
@Hoplopfheil
@Hoplopfheil 6 жыл бұрын
The 30PK is a great gun, even though they don't have a real decocker. I have one and find it very lightweight and great to shoot. The coolest military feature to my mind is that you can disassemble the slide assembly without any special tools, just using the parts as they come off the gun as tools.
@donaldweber7636
@donaldweber7636 6 жыл бұрын
It's sad that a high capacity 9mm handgun was an easy concept for everybody to come up with, except Colt.
@resurectiondelpantion9268
@resurectiondelpantion9268 6 жыл бұрын
What do you expect from a company that was founded on a snake oil salesman who called himself a doctor and really wasn't a doctor. Colt never really had any original idea since the beginning what would make them start now?
@cgweightlifter
@cgweightlifter 6 жыл бұрын
Lols
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer 6 жыл бұрын
Colt: "What's 9mm? It has to be at _least_ .45 caliber! Remember the M1911, folks!" Beretta, and virtually every other firearms company since the mid-1940s: *Laughs in high-capacity*
@gunner678
@gunner678 6 жыл бұрын
@@GoredonTheDestroyer nothing wrong with 9mm...got me out of some scrapes thats for sure (Browning HP)
@resurectiondelpantion9268
@resurectiondelpantion9268 6 жыл бұрын
@@GoredonTheDestroyer "Colt said you know we're having hard time coming up with any good ideas internally. So why don't we take an idea from star and develop that?" -Ian McCallum
@gltwn
@gltwn 3 жыл бұрын
The influx of at least 40,000 Star BMs into the American market has created a lot of interest here in the Spanish pistol designs. The Spanish pistols have a distinct aesthetic and engineering ethos.
@AndrewStevenson316
@AndrewStevenson316 3 жыл бұрын
I owned one for over 15 years in South Africa. Was my daily carry and I also carried it as a backup firearm when I was on duty in the SAP. I put over 20 000 rounds though during ownership. It ate everything. I changed a couple of magazine springs and a recoil spring. Oh yeah, I cleaned it semi-regularly 😁 I would buy one again in a heartbeat ) haven't seen any for sale in Canada alas)
@ZMOA2006
@ZMOA2006 3 жыл бұрын
I bought my Star 30M here in Canada at Marstar in 2016, but in 15 years it was the first and last one that I had seen here, they are extremely hard to find, model 28 is a bit more common but 30s almost impossible to find
@AndrewStevenson316
@AndrewStevenson316 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZMOA2006 I loved mine. The day I sold it to move to Canada was a sad day (many guns went that day). I would buy another one in a heart beat. Not the most glamorous looking pistol, but man, what a work horse.
@brendonfleetwood6069
@brendonfleetwood6069 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. A South African here. My mom has a STAR mod 30 PK and I never realized its capabilities. Great to know there is a real banger in her possession. As for myself, I have an HK VP70Z that I inherited. Those double-feed magazines are incredible.
@CaptainGrief66
@CaptainGrief66 6 жыл бұрын
Spain is so underrated when it comes to firearms, all the ones I know of all look great, unique and are reliable.
@Snake452006
@Snake452006 6 жыл бұрын
I picked a Star BM in 9mm for concealed carry and it's one of the nicer small pistols I've shot. Doesn't like cheap aluminum cased ammo but other than that it just keeps banging away. Absolutely love it.
@gunner678
@gunner678 6 жыл бұрын
The spanish make great weapons, star particularly, extremely good firearm!
@sorenlilienthal1368
@sorenlilienthal1368 5 жыл бұрын
They suffered from bad workmanship, mainly the material and the heat treating, and the customer support when you needed replacement parts, like firing pins (broke easily) or extractors.
@ASTFRER36
@ASTFRER36 5 жыл бұрын
@@gunner678 Spanish Balck Legend all Spanish is Bad en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend_(Spain)
@Artyom.2033
@Artyom.2033 5 жыл бұрын
The best and known worldwide spanish weapon has to be the CETME rifle model C, known nowadays as the G3 rifle
@jarrodsunda5489
@jarrodsunda5489 Жыл бұрын
my star bm is my favorite shooter. the glock, beretta and revolvers just sit on the table. the star is heavy, smooth has never jammed easy dissassembly. just alot of fun
@victorlledo6812
@victorlledo6812 6 жыл бұрын
Bonifacio Echevarría... Thanks Ian, you proof yourself as a true engineering apreciator, is dificult to find someone as dedicated as you are to foreign weapons designs and makers. It says tons about you. By the way you, I strongly believe you Will end up employed by the Smithsonian some day or become a familiar face In Discovery or History channel ...
@sarjim4381
@sarjim4381 6 жыл бұрын
I bought a Model 30P in 1983 for off-duty carry. At 15+1, it was the highest capacity 9mm carry gun at the time. It was big enough it just barely qualified as a carry gun but it gave me a good feeling knowing I was carrying the equivalent of a mag and a half in any other 9mm carry gun of the time. It was a fine gun, well built and accurate. I traded it for a Llama .45 Colt revolver Model 29 look alike with six inch barrel and $100. I don't regret the trade but I would like to latch on to another Model 30P if I could find one.
@WARtortoise89
@WARtortoise89 6 жыл бұрын
I own a star 30MI, I love it, it's a tough very well made pistol. They are easy to use, easy to shoot, has a very very nice trigger for a military pistol of it's time! Just an all around good gun. If one ever gets a chance to get one do it.
@marzcapone9939
@marzcapone9939 6 жыл бұрын
The 30 MI was my first handgun, still have it. I thought the grip was too thick at first, but I can't accidentally drop the mag. It always ran well and was as accurate as I could shoot. Have not shot it in 5 years or more.
@ZMOA2006
@ZMOA2006 5 жыл бұрын
I also have an Star 30MI and I love it, is my favourite gun, strong and reliable, the gem of the Spanish crown, unfortunately star pistols are really hard to find here in Canada 🇨🇦
@joejoel8962
@joejoel8962 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know how the grip come off?
@samwalker7821
@samwalker7821 2 жыл бұрын
The Star M30 is a very well made handgun and very durable. Back in the late 80's I read about one that was a rental at a gun shop range that reputedly had more than 20,000 rounds thru it with no parts failures. It's a little hefty to handle but feels good in the hand. Built like a tank! I love mine and would never sell it. It's never failed to go bang!
@SolarEmp1re
@SolarEmp1re 6 жыл бұрын
I miss spanish pistols. Everybody who looks through my collection are always drawn to them. The Astra cubs and model 400, star F series 22s and of course the ubiquitous BMs. They look just different enough to catch the eye. Not the sexiest guns but just good fun. I guess I should just be thankful that most people think of them as junk and sell them dirt cheap. Bought 5 BMs at 180 a pop recently, they'll dry up and be gone again before we know it. Edit because I know someone will say it: There have been some stinkers from spain but that can be applied to ANY manufacturer from modern to yesteryear, for instance Colt...
@samwalker7821
@samwalker7821 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. There are many bargains out there!
@richardrix8629
@richardrix8629 6 жыл бұрын
Way back I tried a number of handguns in 9mm when I was in Police Academy. I used a Glock 17 as a duty pistol in Security and the academy. I did purchase a 30M, I found the heavier weight more to better control and accuracy. So much so that I bought the M43 Firestar in 9MM. The only complaint with the Stars was the slide woukd not always lock open, this was the magazine, never had any issues with reliability with them. And at the time the Firestar was one of the smallest 9mm pistols you could buy, approximating the PPK in size, it was a great though heavy gun.
@kennyvancleave2422
@kennyvancleave2422 6 жыл бұрын
That's a cool little history lesson we would probably never know if it wasn't for Forgotten Weapons.
@JohnSmith-wh6zs
@JohnSmith-wh6zs 6 жыл бұрын
I have owned several 28 and 30 over the last few decades and found them to be excellent pistols
@paulstan9828
@paulstan9828 6 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos. How you manage to put together almost one a day is amazing. Thank you for your hard work.
@troy9477
@troy9477 6 жыл бұрын
It always amazes me that from 1949 (original Commander) to the 90's, Colt couldn't come up with a good modern 9mm pistol. In fact, the Commander (alloy frame, 4.25" barrel) was developed for military trials envisioning a switch to the 9mm way back then. But the switch never happened. Since we were used to SA autos, had they switched back then, they should have gotten Sig P210's and called it a day. BHP's would have done fine too. Never knew about the history between Colt and Star. Interesting. I always liked the Firestar, a later compact all steel SA in the 90's. I should have bought one when i worked in a gunshop and they were plentiful and cheap- $300 for blued and $330 for e-nickel (ah, the good old days). The PD's were very nice back in the day. Several friends have them. So was the BM, very much like a Commander 9mm, now on the surplus market. Too bad Star went kaput. I would like to see what else they would have come up with. Great video as always. Thank you
@kenhelmers2603
@kenhelmers2603 6 жыл бұрын
I enjoy seeing these auction videos, thanks Ian.
@thingthingsss
@thingthingsss 6 жыл бұрын
Damn, I have one of these and was considering asking if you wanted to look at it, but never got around to it. Glad to see my favorite Wondernine coming up here though! I have the 30MI which was imported by Interarms instead though. EDIT: I'm shocked you didn't mention that STAR went under in 1997, or that this pistol can be entirely taken down to parts without a single tool.
@douglasmcneil8413
@douglasmcneil8413 6 жыл бұрын
My first Simi-auto was a Star PD in .45acp back in the early 80's. That was a great little gun. Surprisingly comfortable to shoot, for its size. That ones gone now, but I still have a Star, Fire Star in .40 s&w. Folks always grumble about the weight. But, I think with a .40 that size, the heft make it easier to shoot. It's a real shame that the Star company isn't around any more.
@CeltKnight
@CeltKnight 6 жыл бұрын
While I freely admit that I enjoy carrying light weight pistols, you are very right about weight being important for managing heavier kicking rounds. I have two small Kahr .40s (the .40 S&W always seemed to have more and snappier push back than the .45 acp, at least to me). One is all steel (K-40 covert), the other is polymer (PM40). The K-40 Covert feels like it weighs as much as my 1911, but really is not unpleasant at all to shoot. The PM40, however, which is the one I most often carry, is SO light that it'll make you add an extra "Please" into the "Please don't make me shoot you" request. ;) I used to have to qualify with it on a 25 round backup/off-duty course of fire. After 25 rounds my arthritic hands were pretty much done shooting for the week. Also, I also agree that it's a shame Star folded. I always thought their pistols were pretty darn decent. I'd love to see what they could come up with now days.
@peterconnan5631
@peterconnan5631 4 жыл бұрын
My dad had a PD. It's because of that that I bought a 30PK as soon as I became legally old enough. I often wish I had bought a PD instead, but the 30 has served me very well for 2 1/2 decades. It really is a comfortable gun to shoot!
@Mongo63a
@Mongo63a 6 жыл бұрын
And Colt is still without any original designs worth a damn.
@simonmaguire5250
@simonmaguire5250 6 жыл бұрын
Python?
@simonmaguire5250
@simonmaguire5250 6 жыл бұрын
@@graeme3023 By that judgement there has not been a original new designs in guns or cars for over 100 years.
@jic1
@jic1 6 жыл бұрын
@@simonmaguire5250 The stoner gas system was pretty innovative, and that's only about 60 years old. The G11 and AN-94 date back to the '80s and '90s respectively, and were both very innovative (if not entirely practical, nor economical).
@KC-bg1th
@KC-bg1th 6 жыл бұрын
Simon Maguire Yeah, nothing original about horizontal and helical mags.
@jic1
@jic1 6 жыл бұрын
@@graeme3023 I believe they largely fixed the cook-off problem by re-formulating the propellant, but the major issue was that the rifle was too expensive and complex to be practical as a general-issue military rifle.
@charlesadams1721
@charlesadams1721 6 жыл бұрын
Star (and some other firearm manufacturers) might have done better in firearms testing had the figured out that it might go better to build multi-million dollar factories in certain powerful US senator states and insure several senators in a certain small US state had really healthy campaign contributions for several decades.
@aritakalo8011
@aritakalo8011 6 жыл бұрын
Most treat USA as lost cause for foreigners. Everyone knows at most one can usually get only a licensing deal or possibly get the contract should they promise the production to be in USA. As big as USA military and LE market is many companies count it isn't worth their while to setup USA operation, if they have healthy enough demand and markets other places. Also companies often submit items to trials, knowing they have no way to get the deal or it is an unicorn chance. Just being in trials and getting that feed back is valuable. As noted here based on Star changing things based on trials feed back. It is essentially additional cheap QA. Just handout the guns and maybe ammunition for it. The military handles the statistics, man power and testing. You just ask that in exchange for the firearms and munitions, you get back their feed back on improvements and the test statistics. Heck just having good statistics from military trials is valuable marketing. "This gun fired X rounds in military Y trials without fault." It being outside trial and test gives much more credence to the results than "in internal company testing this gun has amazing reliability record." Case in point, not from firearms, but ice breakers of all things. Being a Finn there has beeen talk of the up coming USCG ice breaker fleet expansion. What with us having been the biggest builder of said ships for decades (thanks to the never ending soviet(/ now Russian federation) demand for arctic icebreakers plus our own Baltic fleet). From get go all the companies went 'In the end they will never buy them from our shipyards. Instead we are looking into some specialist parts supply and design deals for the planning work. It is abundantly clear the ships will be built on USA shipyards, because Americans buy only American. However we hoped it's 'designed in Helsinki, built in Newport (apparently my first though, Brooklyn is closed by now).' Even that is doubtful since the next biggest competition is Canada. So most likely it is designed in Canada, built in USA.
@rymic72
@rymic72 6 жыл бұрын
Ari Takalo Excellent, well considered, and objective points!
@charlesadams1721
@charlesadams1721 6 жыл бұрын
Ari Takalo; it was a foregone conclusion for political reasons that during the decision phase, the new service weapon would be a foreign designed handgun in 9mm to be in alignment with NATO. The decision of which firearm would unfortunately come down to how big and expensive factory would be built where, preferably to be constructed in the state of influential politicians, which at that time were all machine Democrats (as they had controlled Congress for years and had all the committee Chairmanships, and could steer monies to their districts. Re: Robert Byrd in West Virginia for MANY plumb projects. Anyway, American manufacturers cried loudly, but in that political party, firearms have long been out of favor. There have been similar situations of foreign manufacturers favored over domestic in more recent years, example FN over Colt, etc.
@charlesadams1721
@charlesadams1721 6 жыл бұрын
Joel McBain; not since the mid-nineties has it been a requirement. There was a Presidential decision to product all sorts of defense articles off-Shore. This was a significant part of the “off-shoring” movement and spread the military spending around.
@aritakalo8011
@aritakalo8011 6 жыл бұрын
@Joel McBain Oh yeah. Actual read the Congress research paper on the Coast Guard program (the nerd that I'm). That flatout indicates, that USCG falls under armed services regulation on it. Not to mention CG has specific separate law restating this. Only way major hull parts are built outside USA is by Presidential exception order, that is to be notified to Congress and only on grounds of national security needs. I assume meaning "war is coming, we can't ourselves built it in time, Canada can built it in time due to specific reason X." So whoever gets the design order, it will be built by USA major yard. Heavy Icebreakers not being exactly small ships. Thing is the ice breaking hull is not a run off the mill bulk job. It has to be planned and built correctly. Otherwise it is the ship breaking and not the ice. So probably one of the military supplying yards in USA, who know what it means "to this strength, in this specific design and no less, no cutting corners". Not to mention the design. Which currently general form is result of decades and decades of refinement and practical experience. That design has to come from hand full of design companies around the world. Should one want it properly done. Most of those being Canadians, Nordic or Russian. Or it is some other company, who hires bunch of expert at high price from the existing specialists. However the biggest problem is, apparently Congress is planning to yank the USCG funding for the program. Which I would say is about the most idiotic thing I have heard. USA has single Heavy breaker Polar Star, which is 42 years old on 30 year planned life. Ice breakers unlike strategic bombers, don't age well. The breaking is attrition heavy job and Star is constantly breaking down, whenever it is deployed out. It is running out of spares also, since nobody makes the 1970s parts anymore. With Arctic opening and Russia on other side of Bering straight having more ice breakers probably just on the local harbour.... (Federation governmental fleet is 44 breakers, private mining and oil companies breakers on top of it.) USA needs 2 heavy breakers about 5 years ago.
@dylanrutan100
@dylanrutan100 6 жыл бұрын
Ian, my man! I’m thankful for you, and your extensive knowledge which we are blessed to have you share with us 🤙
@FishHeadly1
@FishHeadly1 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 1979 Star BM. Looks like a small 1911, low price but very reliable
@fredboat
@fredboat 6 жыл бұрын
I have a Star 30 MI and it shoots just fine, I bought my first one in the 1980s, Enjoyed the video.
@lysanderxiii2335
@lysanderxiii2335 6 жыл бұрын
The Colt information on the frame is the ATF required importer information, as Colt bought them directly from Star.
@OutnBacker
@OutnBacker 2 жыл бұрын
Got the chance to shoot a Star 30m. Put enough rounds down range to convince me they are a great gun. Accurate, reliable with several different loadings, and very controllable. Construction is top notch. No, my friend would not sell it to me.
@wickedcoolname399
@wickedcoolname399 6 жыл бұрын
I have a Star BKM in .9mm,p and a PD in .45 acp. Other than getting some better buffers the guns have run fine.
@ronmartin3755
@ronmartin3755 Жыл бұрын
O own a Model 30 MI all in steel. It has the least re-coil of any 9mm I have ever shot and is more accurate than all the rest. I do not use it as carry as it weighs a ton! But I love the pistol.
@m4rkm4n
@m4rkm4n 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a used Star 30MI which is very similar to the PK, only longer. Does anyone know where the Spanish proof marks are? Every Spanish gun is supposed to have a proof mark showing a medieval-style helmet on top of a "square" (for lack of a better word), but I can't find it.
@tangero3462
@tangero3462 6 жыл бұрын
It's remarkable how P210 the desight is compared to most derivatives of the design using more CZ features. The captive recoil spring is truly a fantastic feature. Honestly if you had the Model 31 re-released today, it could do fairly well, especially since it could appeal to both the cocked-and-locked crowd and the DA/SA crowd.
@vominator
@vominator 5 жыл бұрын
I have a 30M. Super light DA, SOLID gun... but janky ass build. The safety levers had a ton of play and there was some little "dowel" that didn't seem to do anything fell out of the back where you could remove the plate where the hammer strikes the firing pin. I kept shooting it anyway... All that being said, it was a VERY accurate gun. Still have it, haven't fired it in years, got it for $260 w/ 1 mag back in 1993 or so
@jayzenitram9621
@jayzenitram9621 6 жыл бұрын
Before Ian mentioned it, the thought was rattling in my head that this gun looked like my Sig P226 had had carnal knowledge of my CZP01.
@Hawk1966
@Hawk1966 4 жыл бұрын
Weird the way the disassembly pin sticks way the hell out. That must catch on everything. Kinda reminded me of the small Colt Commander model from the 90s.
@minuteman4199
@minuteman4199 6 жыл бұрын
"The double stack high capacity 9mm service arm was coming into vogue." The model of Browning 9mm I was issued originally went into service in 1935, and the one I had was manufactured in WW2.
@jayzenitram9621
@jayzenitram9621 6 жыл бұрын
Which doesn't mean they were prevalent and I believe that is what Ian meant. Ian would be one dude with whom I wouldn't want to argue about firearms history.
@jic1
@jic1 6 жыл бұрын
"Coming into vogue" doesn't mean 'were just invented'.
@Deadtileyedie
@Deadtileyedie 6 жыл бұрын
he's obviously knows that, he's referring to the craze here in the u.s, like said before me I wouldn't argue with Ian about firearm history lol
@TheHigherVoltage
@TheHigherVoltage 6 жыл бұрын
Hey you keep that information to yourself. This is America, where the Colt .45 was the most popular pistol in WW2 and the only pistol the allies used...except for captured Lugers. MERIKA!
@TheHigherVoltage
@TheHigherVoltage 6 жыл бұрын
@@3eightiesopinion524 China used a lot of Browning Hipowers and the Canadian Ingles clones in WW2 as well.
@danielwatters1203
@danielwatters1203 6 жыл бұрын
FWIW: It would not have been the first time that Colt had rebadged a Spanish pistol. Note that Colt Junior was an Astra Cub. The ill-fated 1970s Colt Pony was a Star DK. (Colt likely bailed out due to the spectre of anti-gun legislation targeting compact handguns.) It has long struck me that the Star 28 was not only inspired by the CZ75, but the Colt SSP as well.
@Ni999
@Ni999 4 жыл бұрын
I looked up what you said and found out that my FI Model D had the same heritage - pretty cool, I did not know that. I also had a Firestar M43 9mm, great pistol. _Star Firearms : D-Series Pistols_ star-firearms.com/firearms/guns/d/
@grayeaglej
@grayeaglej 5 жыл бұрын
Best 9mil I ever owned was a little Star M43. Think I payed like 90 bucks for it back in 1998. Had 2 double stack mags, 13+1 if I remember right, and I could hit any target I could see even with that short little barrel. Wish I hadn't had to have sold it. :(
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 6 жыл бұрын
"after taking the time to look at these guns in-house and assess them and do some engineering work, presumably, Colt came to the conclusion that no, they weren't actually interested in further developing" a functional gun, and that people would have drooled over the Double Eagle instead.
@joseelempecinao89
@joseelempecinao89 6 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry Ian but I can swear that by the 80's the 9mm "largo" was a curiosity of the past in Spain. It was a kind of floating around with the 9mm "corto", but not in official use at all.
@alexvogel610
@alexvogel610 6 жыл бұрын
So, it was potentially Colt's equivalent of Springfield's XD pistols? "Hey, let's copy THAT and slap our name on it!"
@GustheGunGuy
@GustheGunGuy 3 жыл бұрын
You're giving too much credit to Springfield. They don't manufacture any of the XDs, they're all made in Croatia with Springfield's name on them.
@BFVgnr
@BFVgnr 6 жыл бұрын
Colt tried to import/brand a couple of different Euro pistol designs. It's a shame they couldn't capitalize on it like Springfield Armory did.
@Deadtileyedie
@Deadtileyedie 6 жыл бұрын
star makes good guns, I've had quite a few stars and all we're very reliable
@damiangrouse4564
@damiangrouse4564 6 жыл бұрын
Blocky pistols don’t make it in the US? I think the star 30 is “perfection”...
@jayzenitram9621
@jayzenitram9621 6 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there ...
@damiangrouse4564
@damiangrouse4564 6 жыл бұрын
Jay Zenitram 🤫
@tafino
@tafino 6 жыл бұрын
Regardless of the Glock parallel... I agree. I LOVE the 30s
@loganjones5766
@loganjones5766 6 жыл бұрын
This might have been before the "perfection" fad caught on. This is definitely the best comment I've read this week.
@ke6ziu
@ke6ziu 6 жыл бұрын
I used to own a 30M... very reliable pistol!
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 6 жыл бұрын
The Star 30PK was the spanish cops (Cuerpo Nacionál de Policía) pistol (now it's the H&K USPC), a lighter (but still heavy) and shorter (like 15mm) version of the Star 30M all steel duty pistol for the military and Guardia Civíl (aka Benemérita or pikoletos, in slang) that substituded the Star Super B; it's a sturdy, realiable and uggly (to me) pistol. I'd shooted it a couple of times and... you had to aim much higher than with the Star Super B, almost to the point where the three dots sights are not better than the tiny Star Super B WWII M1911 like sights, it'd preffered the Super B, better handling.
@jasondoe2596
@jasondoe2596 6 жыл бұрын
This is... unexpectedly beautiful!
@tafino
@tafino 6 жыл бұрын
Jason Doe ain’t that the truth?
@Ixiul
@Ixiul 6 жыл бұрын
It's a great gun. Not much accurate, but never fail. One interesting thing, the model 30 has a completely seprabale trigger grup, you can use one in simple action for tarjet shoting, and replace with another in combat stile whit heavy doble action
@TheBulap
@TheBulap 6 жыл бұрын
It seems a little bit peculiar that they bothered to add Colt markings to them when they were solely intended for internal evaluation. I wouldn't have thought they would bother.
@user-py5qq4ht8l
@user-py5qq4ht8l 6 жыл бұрын
I think allot of the star pistols do look very good
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 5 жыл бұрын
I'll like to hear what Ian have to say about the Llama M82, that still in use one the spanish Marine Infantry and the Guardia Civíl.
@wambolt1212
@wambolt1212 6 жыл бұрын
i really like the look of this pistol
@carljansevanrensburg2440
@carljansevanrensburg2440 6 жыл бұрын
Had a later model 30M, came with a decock. Great firearm.
@josemarmolejo9462
@josemarmolejo9462 2 жыл бұрын
I had a Star 30M for a few years, it was a safe reliable and fairly accurate weapon, it was very heavy looking, not that heavy though
@exploatores
@exploatores 6 жыл бұрын
when I hear about spanish pistol, I think of the more or less good copies they did. when they didn´t have to bother with copyright laws if a firearm was made in another country and the company didn´t have any factories in spaine.
@slimsammyone
@slimsammyone 6 жыл бұрын
As always, a great video.
@red9man2130
@red9man2130 6 жыл бұрын
Ian I believe the smith and Wesson model 59 magazines will work in the Star 28/30 series.
@adammorris8392
@adammorris8392 6 жыл бұрын
A Spanish gun in honor of Alonso's last race today
@daisho13
@daisho13 6 жыл бұрын
He's retired? Crap. Stopped following f1 a few years ago thanks to TV coverage changes but I always liked him and thought he deserved better cars.
@Deadtileyedie
@Deadtileyedie 6 жыл бұрын
I actually want one of these, I love anything sig 210/cz inspired
@enricofesta1161
@enricofesta1161 6 жыл бұрын
The B. in the pistol’s markings stands for BONIFACIO and not for BENICIO.
@zenger74
@zenger74 6 жыл бұрын
I used to own a 30M great pistol
@justinrobert2770
@justinrobert2770 6 жыл бұрын
So if I go on the Colt factory tour will that increase my value as well? Seriously though you don't see these 80's/90's Star pistols much anymore...how unusual is the Firestar Model in .45 ACP?
@ketchman8299
@ketchman8299 4 жыл бұрын
The Firestar in .45 is a great pistol, shoots well, realiable but, as with most of the Star pistols of the era, a bit heavy. Basically a beefed up 9mm Firestar to handle the larger .45 cartrdge. Buy one if you can find one because those of us who own them typically do not sell them, if that say's anything about the quality and realiability.
@glennwagstaff8667
@glennwagstaff8667 6 жыл бұрын
I bought a 30M in 1991 for $230, about 1/3 the cost of a Beretta 92 at that time. I can't say the Star was just as good as the Beretta, but considering the cost, it has been a great gun. I put about 3,000 rounds through it with only one malfunction (failure to feed), and that was using reloaded ammo. The trigger is smooth, and accuracy is much better than I expected. My only complaint is that the finish on the back strap wore off after a short time; I had it nickel plated to prevent corrosion. I do think Colt made the right call though; if they put the Colt name on it, the cost would have doubled and the gun would not have been a good deal. With Star long out of business, and parts getting hard to find, these guns today are really not a good buy. That said, I have no plans to part with my lil' Spanish friend.
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ian.
@andrewdabbs3650
@andrewdabbs3650 6 жыл бұрын
The Rhodesians and South Africans used Star pistols in addition to BHP's (Rhodesia) and the beretta/Z88.
@cosplaygirls
@cosplaygirls 6 жыл бұрын
About the mag... I have a 31M that not only looks like a Smith 59 but also uses SW59 mags
@cosplaygirls
@cosplaygirls 6 жыл бұрын
Ps. The slide doesnt hold open on the last shot with the Smith Mags.
@UnderHisHand
@UnderHisHand Жыл бұрын
Do you know if the 31p takes these mags, as well?
@LawkzBro
@LawkzBro 6 жыл бұрын
5:22 "star did actually sponsor a ??? team in the 80s" i think i can't understand because i'm not familiar with the term, but auto-generated subtitles say it's IPSec team, i looked up what IPsec is and it seems to mean Internet Protocol Security, so i don't think that has anything to do with what he said. Anyone knows? E16? IP6 team?
@WeDontTalkAboutJosh
@WeDontTalkAboutJosh 6 жыл бұрын
IPSC - International Practical Shooting Confederation
@jackbauer7742
@jackbauer7742 6 жыл бұрын
I think it's IPSC.
@Gray13475
@Gray13475 6 жыл бұрын
International Practical Shooting Confederation.
@cptreech
@cptreech 6 жыл бұрын
www.ipsc.org/
@LawkzBro
@LawkzBro 6 жыл бұрын
thanks
@devinmounce1838
@devinmounce1838 5 жыл бұрын
That’s a pretty good looking gun. It’s reminiscent of a lot of guns.
@devinmounce1838
@devinmounce1838 5 жыл бұрын
Well now I know what guns it reminded me of!
@inspireonex
@inspireonex 6 жыл бұрын
Star did get a little love in the US with Pulp Fiction.
@ben41281
@ben41281 6 жыл бұрын
Star made some pretty good guns. To bad Colt didn't choose to copy it, instead they came up with the terrible American pistol! Good job Colt pass on a good design, build the terrible one!
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 6 жыл бұрын
They also came up with the "Double Eagle." Another bad design.
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 6 жыл бұрын
@@sinisterthoughts2896 I also bought one of those. The first factory-produced truly small .45 if I remember correctly. I ended up with one of the Detonics MKV Combat Masters. It is a really great shooter, but weighs almost as much as a full size.
@Davidautofull
@Davidautofull 6 жыл бұрын
I read quite a few comments but found nobody else that sees this is Colts model 59. id bet that's a 59 mag too. I have the 659, just before the wrap around grip model, 5906 or 6906 in stainless?
@TheRevoltingMan
@TheRevoltingMan 6 жыл бұрын
My Dad had one of these when I was a teenager. The quality didn't seem good and the accuracy was bad but I was in my teens so I wasn't a really good judge of these things.
@springbloom5940
@springbloom5940 6 жыл бұрын
Have a Star M40 and I love it
@logansorenssen
@logansorenssen 6 жыл бұрын
Huh. Almost reminds me of what you'd get from a Sig/CZ collaboration.
@josephbolz4550
@josephbolz4550 4 жыл бұрын
You need to do a video on the Megastar 10mm
@cgweightlifter
@cgweightlifter 6 жыл бұрын
I like the star 30s 31s smooth guns
@replicators
@replicators 6 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the Colt markings be the required import marks?
@charlesarlen644
@charlesarlen644 6 жыл бұрын
I sent you something to "put in your pocket for walking around." I hope it arrived okay. Keep on making the good videos!!
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
I did - thank you!
@williamf9992
@williamf9992 4 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty damn looking gun
@BP-je5fj
@BP-je5fj Жыл бұрын
Please send a link on how to remove the grip panels on the Starfire MOD 30 M1. Thanks.
@StrangerOman
@StrangerOman 6 жыл бұрын
I find this pistol pretty. :)
@keeperofthecheese
@keeperofthecheese 5 жыл бұрын
It looks like a SIG and a Beretta had a baby.
@fogogin
@fogogin 6 жыл бұрын
That's a lot they're asking for a gun without a magazine.
@radiradi6643
@radiradi6643 5 жыл бұрын
Full assembly please
@randywatson8347
@randywatson8347 6 жыл бұрын
I know it's offtopic, but still waiting for a vid on the Walther P88 😊
@RalphReagan
@RalphReagan 6 жыл бұрын
great video
@ArloFSE
@ArloFSE 6 жыл бұрын
It has a old Smith and Wesson auto-loader look to it.
@ronschramm9163
@ronschramm9163 6 жыл бұрын
It looks a little like the Ruger P89 series.
@jenmfw
@jenmfw 5 жыл бұрын
Check out the free website star-firearms.com for tons of information. The factory closed in 1997. “Handgun of the Year” in 1993.
@kupel00
@kupel00 5 жыл бұрын
To me, it looks very sexy, I don’t understand, why’s many people thinking it is ugly, maybe makes me strange taste man🤔 Also, it’s very familiar contours of Sig P210
@crominion6045
@crominion6045 6 жыл бұрын
Yep, Star never seemed to make it big here in America, although I do recall the PD .45 having some popularity back in the '80s. Too bad. I always thought they had some interesting guns.
@darkspire91
@darkspire91 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like a Tokarev and a SIG P226 had a child.
@milybanily
@milybanily 6 жыл бұрын
Factory pistol had mag safety. I have this parts at home anywhere, they left there after I returned pistol to Government after 25 years.
4 жыл бұрын
mix of a beretta 92 with colt 1911 style
@qg786
@qg786 6 жыл бұрын
it looks like a S&W Model 39.
@stoneblue1795
@stoneblue1795 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly. But a 39 is prettier.
@WS-bo8sd
@WS-bo8sd 4 жыл бұрын
Mine got stolen I folded and didn’t have the serial number to report it
@lidijabacic8348
@lidijabacic8348 11 ай бұрын
star is not spanish its basque. that is why it is quality. big difference. spanish and even iranians are more related than spanish and basque.
@newdefsys
@newdefsys 6 жыл бұрын
1450% markup because Colt touched it !
@kylosalvesen
@kylosalvesen 6 жыл бұрын
All hail Gun Jesus
@joejoel8962
@joejoel8962 3 жыл бұрын
I have the 30M. Do you know how the grip is removed?
@cade8986
@cade8986 4 жыл бұрын
I have a star 28
@jonwayne1276
@jonwayne1276 6 жыл бұрын
Looks a bit like a s and w model 59
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