There was a Columbo episode where the killer used a 22 conversion kit on an M1911 to commit the crime, then converted his pistol back to 45 cal. to throw off the police. The pistol was in a display case in the criminal's office. He hid the conversion kit--also in his office.
@donjones4719Ай бұрын
If he'd tossed the conversion kit he wouldn't have been caught - but the writers had to make him do something stupid or they'd have had to toss the script. I've wondered about a story plot like that myself. The character would buy a spare barrel at a gun show, use it for the crime, then replace the original barrel and toss the other one. He'd also need an extra firing pin? And extractor? Saw in some other crime show that they make distinctive marks on the brass. Don't worry, I'm not the violent type, don't even own a gun. But I find the engineering fascinating.
@M8MilitaryАй бұрын
@@donjones4719basically if you are going to use a pistol for a crime, you have to replace the entire slide afterwards. The breach face creates an impression on the brass, not just the barrel
@vyacheslavgrinko9993Ай бұрын
@@M8Militaryby brass you mean casings? If so - maybe it's best not to leave traces on-site? Unless you mean bullet jackets, but unless I'm wrong they're not made from brass.
@donjones4719Ай бұрын
@@M8Military Thanks for the info.
@bills6093Ай бұрын
@@donjones4719 The plot is actually better than that. Columbo does not suspect that a caliber conversion kit was used, nor does Columbo find the kit. Columbo just suspects that this guy is hiding something, probably a gun. Columbo uses the suspect's own film technique of subliminal cuts to modify the suspect's own promotional film, to plant the idea in his head of his office being searched by Columbo. The suspect himself rushes back to his office, because of the subliminal suggestions in the promotional film, and reveals what he has hidden there, the caliber conversion kit.
@karlbrundage7472Ай бұрын
Went through US Navy Basic Training in 1983 and these were the pistols we used for "familiarization" with the M1911A1.
@TheIrishAmishАй бұрын
Was going to post this same info, only 1978.
@davidradich9342Ай бұрын
Same in 1989
@gordonsandine4261Ай бұрын
'85 in Orlando for me; everyone got to shoot five rounds of .22, and the top five scores got to shoot five rounds of .45. As I recall, we were never told what we actually scored. It seemed the idea was to get everyone to cap off their five rounds & get on to the next evolution. It wasn't until we got back to barracks that me & two other guys were informed that we missed out on a marksmanship ribbon by a few points. Dunno if that was actually true, but it cheesed me off a bit that no one thought to give us a heads up that we coulda' been shooting for score.
@davidradich9342Ай бұрын
@@gordonsandine4261 I ended up qualifying on my own. Had an accident where I got my hand crushed in a rope in deck. During my recovery, Doctor recommended target shooting. Police range right next to NAVHOSP Long Beach, and on doctor orders I went shooting there almost daily after work, while on Limdu. There was a Reservest GMG, running the range and I ended up buying a revolver and qualified with that. Got my Expert pistol medal. I think I must have been one of the last to qual with a .38. I used a Smith and Wesson 686.
@joegoetz8884Ай бұрын
Dad was in a pre-war Cavalry unit that was half horse, half armored car. They went on to fight in France with M8 armored cars. He knew all about the Service Ace (and Browning machine guns !).
@jaimesan2609Ай бұрын
How in the world did they get a horse to breed with a armored car?
@610jrodАй бұрын
@@jaimesan2609Operation Stapler
@Kneon_KnightАй бұрын
@@jaimesan2609 Lot's of whiskey and Nat King Cole records.
@AshleyPomeroyАй бұрын
So ELP's Tarkus wasn't all that far-fetched.
@jimlasswell4491Ай бұрын
My Dad ended up over there too just before 'the bulge'. Armored cars, halftracks and jeeps. He made no mention of the motorcycles being where he was. Have to wonder if our fathers knew each other.
@mikemoore4033Ай бұрын
US military prior to World War Two; uses .22 calibre training gun to save a few bucks. US military today; loses track of trillions of dollars.
@renzo_kookin4208Ай бұрын
"loses"
@StevarooniАй бұрын
[The Great Depression] People were more thrifty in the thirties, for some reason.
@mikemoore4033Ай бұрын
@@renzo_kookin4208You’re right, I should have said allegedly “loses” trillions.
@mpetersen6Ай бұрын
@@Stevarooni Curiously though. People still were building houses, buying cars etc. Not everybody was broke.
@Alan.livingstonАй бұрын
@@mpetersen6there is always a slice of the population that does very well from poor economic times. Normally people who carry substantial wealth into the decline and can exploit other people’s hard luck. It’s surprising easy to buy a house when the bank is foreclosing on all your neighbours.
@mpetersen6Ай бұрын
When my brother was in the reserves he said they practiced tank main gun firing at the Army Reserve facility in Milwaukee. Indoor facility with a .22 mounted in the breech of an M60 turret.
@Tunkkis25 күн бұрын
When we Finns still used the 55 S 55 recoilless gun there was a training round that consisted of a 7,62×39 tracer bullet in a 7,65 Parabellum case.
@shaider1982Ай бұрын
i remember that in the novel, "without remorse", John Clark used a silenced m1911 comverted to fire 0.22 cal.
@99dsm1Ай бұрын
A fairly well written story about how alot of people owned those in the day as well
@JosephDawson1986Ай бұрын
I could have sworn that he used a Browning Hi-Power in .22lr. I could be mistaken since I havent read Without Remorse in nearly 20 years
@99dsm1Ай бұрын
@@JosephDawson1986 Nope, ace conversion on a 1911
@JosephDawson1986Ай бұрын
@@99dsm1 it Has been 20 years so the fact I even remembered it was a .22 amazes me
@johnnymnemonic69Ай бұрын
Very clever 😏 and bad ass too
@WALTERBROADDUSАй бұрын
US Navy was still using those things when I went through recruit training in 1989.
@pctottyАй бұрын
Yup, same here, in 1988.
@jamesjustus6568Ай бұрын
Oh yeah. 1984 for me.
@cases2939Ай бұрын
Now they use the nintendo "duck hunt" light-gun.
@mpetersen6Ай бұрын
@@cases2939 The duck hunt "gun" was actually a crude tv camera
@davidroot6146Ай бұрын
That's what they used at Great Lakes in 19889
@samueltucker8473Ай бұрын
Great little trainer. . . Beautiful practical tool. . . well preserved, cataloged and documented
@samueltucker8473Ай бұрын
'Dispatcher'
@samueltucker8473Ай бұрын
Artistic liberties not at all uncommon. . .
@shlong142Ай бұрын
I hope your channel hasn't been effected by YT recent monetization changes. anyone reading the comments look into it. PLEASE! some really good firearms channels that are super informative and apolitical have been effected. I've always appreciated your attention to detail and historical accuracy.
@brownro214Ай бұрын
Firearms channels with millions of subscribers are being demonitized and videos with embedded sponsors advertising firearms and components are being deleted from the platform. KZbin is going all out on its anti-2A crusade.
@todglenn2707Ай бұрын
I have a late model Colt ACE (late 1970s production). They are very nicely made, but need a lot of cleaning. Mine starts to have issues after about 100 rounds until cleaned. Accuracy is fair and magazines are hard to find and expensive. Even the late guns bring a premium. I can only Imagine what an early gun like that would fetch today. Great info, as always.
@coopandcarterАй бұрын
I bought an Ace made in 1937, it is in immaculate condition. I hate to admit it, but it was $ 8400.00. Crazy, I know.
@DonDyarprecisionАй бұрын
@@coopandcarter A work of art! One can spend that much for a painted jug in an art store.
@GlocktologistАй бұрын
I would imagine that having a dead end like that in the pressurized system would cause carbon and other gunk to build up.
@iskandartaibАй бұрын
VERY interesting, thanks. Amazing that that small amount of movement was enough to cycle the slide.
@falloutpc196411 күн бұрын
I never knew those details about Carbine Williams. I watched that movie with my dad many times when i was a kid. He loved the M1 Garand and Carbine which were still being used when he was in the army in the early 60s.
@DevilbyMoonlightАй бұрын
I remember being told my my grand father who was a WW1 vet that they used to drape a wet blanket over a washing line as a backstop for the 1911
@robinblackmoor873218 күн бұрын
Here we go again. I don't need one, but after Ian does a video, I want one.
@mOOOp42Ай бұрын
Did you just say a 22LR conversion of a 1919 machine gun??? I need to see that
@benn454Ай бұрын
American 180 on steroids
@ayyyyph2797Ай бұрын
Well Tippmann's did make a 22LR chambered downscale of a M1919 so it's not impossible
@allanlarrett6015Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ROBERTNABORNEYАй бұрын
1) The last US mounted cavalry charge was by the 26th Cavalry (Philippine Scouts) using their M1911A1's 2) Many National Guard Armories had 22 caliber ranges in the basement. In the ROTC unit where I was a cadet, we had an indoor range next to the drill hall.
@petebeatministerАй бұрын
When was that 1) ?
@ROBERTNABORNEYАй бұрын
@@petebeatminister "The 26th Cavalry Regiment, consisting mostly of Philippine Scouts, was the last U.S. cavalry regiment to engage in horse-mounted warfare. When Troop G encountered Japanese forces at the village of Morong on 16 January 1942, Lieutenant Edwin P. Ramsey ordered the last cavalry charge in American history"
@petebeatministerАй бұрын
@@ROBERTNABORNEY Against the Japanese in WW2? That didn't end well, I assume.
@user-kr7yh8vw9mАй бұрын
Thanks for showing this beauty of a conversion unit Ian, the Colt Ace is a pretty nice training pistol despite some of its setbacks and hefty price tag. It would make a very nice collection piece.
@Dstev98141Ай бұрын
I find the floating barrel insert interesting, I have two versions of the CMMG 22 cal conversion kits for the ar, I see a resemblance in how they are made and used! Very cool, thanks Ian!
@mannywilliams6409Ай бұрын
The one gun I truly regret selling!
@SteamCraneАй бұрын
Ouch!
@TheSunnyvaleTrailerParkАй бұрын
Informative, educational and fun. Ian you got a talent for producing videos, just don't change your format and the world will always be enjoying your work. ✌️
@ScuggishАй бұрын
Hey it's the video that was posted by accident for like 5 minutes!
@harryspeakup8452Ай бұрын
Yep! Saw it then, glad to see it back now
@zacharyailes1678Ай бұрын
The Winchester G31 rifle video was suggested for me yesterday- the beginning of Ian’s treatment of Carbine Williams’ story 🤓
@williestyle35Ай бұрын
A fun and fascinating story it is! One of those "only in America" type things.
@edlane4301Ай бұрын
Thanks Ian really enjoy your content...especially the obscure and French arms!
@michaelmclaughlin7328Ай бұрын
I had a Colt .22 conversion for my .45 ACP and the floating chamber really worked, it gave the same recoil effect as the .45.
@brandonobaza8610Ай бұрын
So, it's basically one-inch-punch operated? 😁
@233kostaАй бұрын
Impulse is impulse 😉 Same as short-stroke gas systems.
@scott2836Ай бұрын
When Ian mentioned that there as less need for cavalry to be shooting one-handed from the saddle, I was thinking of the famous John Wayne as Rooster Cogburn scene where he delivers the “fill your hands, you son of a bitch” line, puts the reins between his teeth, and is firing with a gun in either hand.. Classic…
@jimlasswell4491Ай бұрын
My Dad's National Guard unit was called up in 1941 before Pearl Harbor and he headed to Texas, he was cavalry. The Army was still converting from revolvers to automatics and the ammunition supply was out of whack. More auto rounds than revolver rounds, thus the half moon clips. Dad told me the automatic was generally hated, no one could hit anything with it. He never mentioned a .22 variant.
@Nukle0nАй бұрын
The one-handed shooting technique at the time probably wasn't favorable to that big moving slide.
@jimlasswell4491Ай бұрын
Indeed but the notion that recoil throws the round off its intended path didn't help anything either.
@99dsm1Ай бұрын
Those guns using moon clips were designed to use 45 acp with moon clips, there were no "revolver" rounds for the m1917 revolver
@jimlasswell4491Ай бұрын
@@99dsm1 Yes, but I wasn't referring to the M 1917, I was referring to the M 1909 in .45 long colt. Everybody didn't get the new stuff. In the Marine Corps I was using a Remington 1911 manufactured in 1940.
@allangibson8494Ай бұрын
The half moon clips date from 1917 - the revolver cylinders were modified to take them (usually as a factory mod but sometimes as a third party alteration or armory rebuild).
@AnthonySanborn-g8m7 күн бұрын
I just wanted to thank you for these videos they are very nice and informational it will help me in my future of buying different types of weapons
@americangangster1911Ай бұрын
Yesterday I saw Hickok 45 put out a video where he talked about receiving a strike for having a gun related sponsor. Apparently KZbin made up some new rules recently.
@tenofprimeАй бұрын
We are approaching election cycle, the already insane rules on YT always get even more crazy around now.
@Zoey_KLАй бұрын
jfc do you live under a rock? that situation has been resolved for almost a week. Get your head out your ass
@xrysorybaАй бұрын
Remington also used the floating chamber on a couple of their .22 autoloading rifles so they could use shorts, longs and long rifles interchangeably.
@carpetbagger652003Ай бұрын
This is the gun I was trained on in the Navy in 1987.
@jamesdouglas8760Ай бұрын
Another excellent 360 history presentation. I am curious about his secret making moonshine, must have been very good.
@clintstephens7287Ай бұрын
I have an original Colt conversion kit new in the box never installed. My dad bought it in 50's or 60's.
@bruceabbott3941Ай бұрын
Remington made an autoloader rifle, the Model 550, that used the same floating chamber, and would digest shorts, longs, and long rifles interchangeably from its tube magazine. I grew up with one, a 550-1, that my half-brother, a sub-mariner in the Navy, purchased for our father in a PX in Morocco in the early 1950's. I don't recall it ever jamming, but it was a bear to tear down and clean...
@williestyle35Ай бұрын
I can't say why I am Al so interested in things made specifically for the U S Calvary, but this is nifty no matter where it was used. Thank you Ian for explaining another Forgotten Weapons
@austinpatkos7563Ай бұрын
These conversions are always so cool. It almost seems more difficult to convert an existing firearm into something completely different but sort of keeping it the same externally, rather than just building something from the ground up.
@eldoradocanyonroАй бұрын
Take a look at the rock island 22mag pistol. It's kind of a crossover....at first glance it looks like a 1911, but a little different. It's not a conversion, but it's not something entirely new either. Definitely a hybrid, if you will.
@SharpForceTraumaАй бұрын
This is gonna get demonetized/taken down immediately. KZbin is cracking down on sponsorships from anything in the firearms industry.
@cooperludwig3842Ай бұрын
yeah prob
@bigbelixАй бұрын
Bro where have u been they started doing that like 5 years ago at this point lmao
@sethrogers8473Ай бұрын
@@bigbelix Yes, but it's at the point where they are threatening to take down channels not videos. Hickok45 put out a PSA on it. Basically old videos sponsored by the gun industry risk losing money or having videos taken down while new videos could cost you your entire channel
@WALTERBROADDUSАй бұрын
@@SharpForceTrauma you heard about that. Bad news for KZbin gun fans.
@WALTERBROADDUSАй бұрын
@@bigbelix there was a major change in terms of service in June.
@judelarkin2883Ай бұрын
For another pre-WWII US military cost savings measure, check out the US’s M1937 blue denim uniform. It was basically a Canadian tuxedo for the battlefield.
@GunsmithSidАй бұрын
I’ve known tens of the floating chamber Ace guns - never knew there was a straight blowback version!
@DevinMoorheadАй бұрын
Frickin early gang checking in
@jonathan_60503Ай бұрын
That's mechanically elegant
@PalKrammerАй бұрын
What a fascinating story and a very cool gun.
@LongPeterАй бұрын
Huh. I independently thought of that floating chamber idea ages ago and wondered if it had ever been tried. Actually, assumed it must have been tried by people smarter than me and found not to work. Nice to know it does actually serve a purpose :)
@patrickshannon485414 күн бұрын
Just watched an episode of Dracinifel on Admiral Nimitz. There is a photo (@14:43) showing Admiral Nimitz Bullseye style shooting a Service Ace.
@korblborpАй бұрын
in b4 this gets you a strike because of the sponsorship...
@Meyer-gp7nqАй бұрын
Yt gay fr
@ScandibillyАй бұрын
Yt gets a streetshidder for a CEO. Streetshidder immediately starts shidding all over yt.
@ChoochificationalАй бұрын
go home with that racist garbage, the ceo is bad sure, but thats completely unrelated to his ethnicity
@shawnr771Ай бұрын
Very cool pistol
@bthatguy1181Ай бұрын
Hollywood misled us?! No way!
@luisantolafrancis519Ай бұрын
just yesterday i was looking at hickok 45 video covering the new google / youtube politics in regards guns related chanells and they suck bigtime , Regardless this is a great video ,i happen to have the argentine version of the colt Ace ,the Ballester Molina in 22lr and works exactly the same but has a frame that is prepared for 22lr ejection so it does not need the ejector mounted inbetween the barrel and the slide as separate piece , it has the floating chamber an works great . in Argentina were produced some convertions over the original 45 acp ballester molinas that were produced by the Barcatti factory that had this feature of floating chamber , modified ejector ,floating chamber and 22lr magazines inserted into the original 45acp mags.
@charlesmckinley29Ай бұрын
Thanks Ian
@Gunners_Mate_GunsАй бұрын
At least as late as 1987, the navy was still using the Colt Ace for giving the "bootcamps" at RTC Great Lakes, IL familiarization practice training. Sadly, for some reason that I have forgotten, my company when I was there didn't get to shoot at all.
@Rrgr5Ай бұрын
That floating chamber system is interesting, I wonder if it wasn't used in other types of small arms, probably the patent limited the application, considering how the M1 Carbine was made by winchester and that patent was sold to Colt, would be interesting to see how the carbine would work with that system instead of the one we all know.
@armoredmanАй бұрын
I got to fire five rounds through a Colt Ace in Navy Boot camp in 1986. That was it. No checking the target, either,.
@RebelFlag61Ай бұрын
The frame still has a 45 extractor but it’s there to support the 22 extractor. Slick.
@ronmoore6598Ай бұрын
As always, very cool!
@MrBigboy3178Ай бұрын
Very cool, Ian. could you highlight the similarities and differences between a floating chamber like this and a hesitation lock like in the Remington R51.
@4catsnowАй бұрын
In 1974 I purchased Mark IV Series 70 in .45....$150.....a month later bought the Conversion Kit for $118. Went right on the gun, no problem..pretty accurate...not a tack driver, but reasonable...One caveat...it doesn't like 18 pound recoil springs..
@WorldofGuns-s5oАй бұрын
Content is very good.
@stanleyronblake1646Ай бұрын
Hugh Fairfax: I GOT AN IDEA...
@herberarАй бұрын
I have an argentinian H.A.F.D.A.S.A. ( Ballester Molina) . It shoots really well but it has a different ejector.
@bretsubotnik1777Ай бұрын
Gotta be new sights, great video, I have a kimber upper, have problems
@araxonUKАй бұрын
Antreg produced very high quality CZ75 style pistol on same principle call Orion.
@subterfusion4005Ай бұрын
I often wonder about the narrative of Carbine Williams being a grumpy sort. Ill bet it depends on whose doing the telling. It couldnt have been much fun being an ex con tossed in with a bunch of ivy league engineers in New Haven. Thats just asking for trouble lol. At the North Carolina History Museum in Raleigh, they have his entire workshop inside lock, stock, and barrel. They have several of his prototype weapons there including i believe a blow forward carbine as well as a floating chamber conversion of a long recoil model 8 Remington. The famous Winchester model 59 fiberglass barreled shotgun also features the Williams floating chamber.
@ggsay1687Ай бұрын
Cavalry armed with Colt .45 and charging against Panzer IV, that's surreal to imagine.
@nightwolf4838Ай бұрын
Would love to see a Argentine Sistema 1927 video
@petesheppard1709Ай бұрын
Very interesting; thanks! Somewhat off topic, I have recently seen the tappet system referred to as a short-stroke piston system. It took me aback for a moment, but on reflection I see the reasoning. To me, though, it will always be a tappet system.
@cloudpumper6399Ай бұрын
I remember navy boot camp. This was the basic firearm for training. 1989
@joemontgomery6658Ай бұрын
Have you considered going to the North Carolina history museum in Raleigh? There’s a decent display of prototype firearms from Carbine Williams
@SM-hp8fyАй бұрын
Good one
@johnmadow5331Ай бұрын
I have a rebuild Ace M-1911that I brought long time ago. This one was reserialized with colt slide.
@GlocktologistАй бұрын
It’s relatively easy to design complex machines. To make something happen with fewer parts takes a genius. I would imagine that carbon buildup is an issue with a ”dead end” like that with little clearance. But since it comes apart so easily and is not a gunfight gun, it’s not a huge drawback.
@VegasCyclingFreakАй бұрын
Very interesting system!
@brass427Ай бұрын
Another very interesting video.
@ralphcurran8147Ай бұрын
Great info!!
@paulstuhrenberg9165Ай бұрын
HK used Marshals floating chamber design in their P7 .22LR K3 pistol
@latinojackson9694Ай бұрын
"Limited budget"..... nowadays the military has no problem spending all of the taxpayer dollars
@beerdrinker6452Ай бұрын
Nice video.
@brianfoster4434Ай бұрын
When I went to US Navy bootcamp in 1987, we shot a .22 LR version of the 1911. Seven rounds and.... I was qualified. LOL!
@jamesellsworth9673Ай бұрын
Interesting, as usual!
@commandZeeАй бұрын
Ooh... Please tell me more about the actual cavalry horseback .22 1911 training.
@Yupppi29 күн бұрын
Imagine having to ever say "the US amry's very limited budget".
@mrsmith8436Ай бұрын
So explain how this pistol has more recoil than a standard blowback version?🤔
@OwnerusInnovationsАй бұрын
Ownerus I prototyped and patented a conversion similar to this except it used the standard 1911 and only changed the barrel and magazine. No modifications to the gun and all function like last shot hold open worked. Surprisingly (to me anyway) I couldn't generate any interest from anyone with the resources to bring it to production. So not such a great idea after all I guess. But I proved it could be done. With that and $4 I can get a bad cup of coffee😂
@kennkrizsanitz7820Ай бұрын
Was wondering how long ago this was filmed, went to there site shows out of stock.
@foreverjim5240Ай бұрын
YO!! is that a black PHANTOM on the wall behind you???? Do a video on that. THAT'S AWESOME!! I wish ian still read his comments. Somebody please tell him!
@user-od3cl9om3jАй бұрын
Was there a minimum fps cartridge that could be used to cycle the gun, or did the floating chamber take care of that problem? Enjoy your show, Thanks Ian!
@user-dd4zg2ls5yАй бұрын
Wow, no closed captioning on advertising! You tube has jumped the shark.
@b.griffin317Ай бұрын
I'm assuming this wouldn't work on a full power rifle cartridge as the acceleration of the "chamber" into the bolt would be too great leading to HK-like problems. But would it work for centerfire pistol cartridges?
@alexanderf8451Ай бұрын
Wouldn't the difference in recoil and external ballistics make this of really limited use as a trainer?
@Jesses001Ай бұрын
The chamber is also the piston. Actually cleaver idea.
@WillyKlingАй бұрын
Is the color difference in bluing on the slide stop notch also due to heat treatment?.
@WillyKlingАй бұрын
@TeIe-me.ForgotenWeapons Don't pretend to be the owner of this channel, it is cringe.
@TheCosmicGuy0111Ай бұрын
Wowza
@davidradich9342Ай бұрын
In 1989 at Great Lakes this was the only firearms training I got. And only 10 rounds. Very lame.
@clothar23Ай бұрын
A ten round mag for a trainer. When the original only holds seven..huh that makes total sense.
@brownro214Ай бұрын
You don’t have to load 10.
@treintaceroseis3081Ай бұрын
Esto ya lo vi en una conversión de Ballester Molina.
@monotech20.14Ай бұрын
Why can't KZbinrs just put the ad or the sponsorship at the start of the video. I'd bet dollars to donuts more people would actually watch it. Instead of the ad coming on mid sentence.
@66smithraАй бұрын
Sponsors pay more for embedded ads that can't simply be skipped at the start of the video, obviously.
@oso9809Ай бұрын
Cool
@Davivd2Ай бұрын
A .22 caliber BAR you say? That sounds horrible enough to make me want to see you make a video about one.