Combat Clarification - Grappler Baki Styles Explained: The History of the 4,000 Years of Kung Fu

[@furrybogard9724]

Baji Quan is an absolute favorite style of mine. I'm so glad you mentioned it(albeit briefly). There's a reason Akira in Virtua Fighter is such a beast in a capable fighter's hands.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Saaaame, Bajiquan is one of my fav styles of Kung Fu and just in general. “I know not what it feels like to strike a man twice” is the most badass quote in history, Akira out here making Baji proud

[@furrybogard9724]

@@RedFoxGrappler What I really enjoyed about his character was he was such a swerve. You see a Japanese fighter, very close Ryu clone, and instantly think he's a karateka. Nope. And his style is SO difficult to master. You actually feel accomplished when you can conquer opponents with him, like you genuinely mastered an artform.

[@hayate_soe260]

i remember being a little kid being so fascinated with martial arts, it all started with kung fu seeing it in martial arts films. Kung fu is one of the coolest looking martial arts imo.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@hayate_soe260 I have to agree, in actual practice for combat, it isn’t much different from most other combat arts, but the choreography scene for Kung Fu is exceptional!

[@thehonoredone2361]

Retsu's face intensifies when some fancy, upstart, new martial arts thinks it's better than over 4,000 years of pure, developed Chinese martial arts. A video about Drunken boxing would be cool, Sam the Seed would agree with me.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Can’t disrespect the OG, not on Retsu’s watch lmao! Drunken Fist? Alright, I’ll add it to the list of requests! That one should be fun

[@fletchkeilman2205]

Red Fox...contact me about drunken fist boxing.....while I'm no historian (officially hahaha), i am privvy to a possible alternate viewpoint and/or origin story of the style. Keep in mind (as I'm sure you already know this), to get an actual, factual origin of almost any martial style from China is a headache all in and of itself. Oh ...and MOST DEFINITELY SUBBED

[@shaalis]

Kenpo Karate also has the single knuckle strike as you showed in both middle and index finger. And it borrows heavily from Chinese boxing methods and kung fu.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

That makes sense! Being that it’s a style of Karate that is influenced by Chinese Boxing methods, it would have Ippon Ken like Katsumi, the karateka, and the Phoenix Eye Fist like Retsu, the Kung Fu master, thank you for sharing this!

[@ThePsychoguy]

One cool point about fa jin and the close-distance strikes is also the fact that high level masters can not only apply this with no wind up, but can also produce the force from ANY PART OF THEIR BODY. So, not just fist but also elbow, shoulder, and even the hips, etc. Or even just a full body shake like motion that can deliver massive force to someone trying to grapple them.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Yeah, just the general ability to chain kinetic energy through your muscles to build up massive amounts of force, like Baji practitioners do with their Iron Mountain Lean technique!

[@caoimhghinocadhla7718]

I really like your content and your research seems good, some things are just very hard/impossible to find/know unless you have been exposed to a high level practitioner of whatever style/technique it is you´re searching for. The 180 degree side kick you´re referring to at 20:23 does exist in one Southern Chinese ( short fist ) boxing style that I know of which is a lineage of Ving Tsun. That version has the toes pointed a bit more to the outside than what you see in Baki. This kick is first taught well past "blackbelt" though and you wont see many people whipping it out as it requires gymnast levels of flex to do with power. The thing about this kick is that once you have the flex and you have it down you unlock the ability to head kick with a torso to torso distance of about 30cm. I had one trainer that was really good at this kick and if you haven´t been exposed to it a lot it can be hard to block/defend because you wont see it coming. I can´t remember what the name of it was but I have a good friend living with me that is a Bagua/ Tai chi/ Dao yin master with over 45 years of experience. I´ll ask him if he knows when he gets back. Best regards.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thank you for letting me know this! I got the feeling that the name was going to be difficult to come across for this very reason, but I definitely see what you mean with the advantage of such a close range kick! It also makes sense that a Southern Style would have this kick since, while it IS a high kick which are not as common in Southern Style, its a great high kick for the exact preferred range of Southern Style. I would be very grateful if you could let me know what your friend says, thank you!

[@mizukarate]

The foot stomping is found in many karate systems. Kata like Gekki-Sai-Dai-Ichi(Destroy #1) uses the stomp.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

I looked through the kata and I see what you mean! It must have been passed down from Kung Fu, always very cool to see things in descendant arts from parent arts!

[@mizukarate]

Well much of the Kata training in Karate has deep Kung Fu roots. It is kind of hard to say if Karate is Kung Fu. I say Karate as a highly influenced "cousin" system to Kung Fu.

[@MrRourk]

Most Mantis Styles use a stomp

[@fletchkeilman2205]

I didn't expect this video to be this good. As a HUGE Kung Fu movie head and martial artist, this is gold, Jim! I'm not an anime dork, but I've noticed that Kung Fu movie dorks are quite similar in our.....nerddom, as some would put it. I shouldn't say I don't like anime, I'm just old school. Can't stand much new stuff. I'm a Golgo 13 kinda guy.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Glad I could surpass the expectations of a Kung Fu Flick aficionado such as yourself lol, thank you for the kind words homie!

[@admiraltraunt6150]

An actual and true respect/thorough rundown of the 4000 years of Chinese martial arts. It is easily one of Bakis greatest feats to deduce Retsus 4000 years of martial arts from sheer moments of witnessing parts of it in fights. The history presented in this video almost 100% applies within the world of Baki since it's what's being directly referenced. I think another video idea could be a deep dive to Chiharuism and that inspiration in Baki derived from today's experience.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thank you, Admiral🫡 Chiharuism is going on the list of requested videos, that’s a fantastic suggestion

[@admiraltraunt6150]

@@RedFoxGrappler WOOOOORD AWESOME

[@Xannyphantom905]

CMA get disrespected if anything in Baki. It's all made up moves by characters that get swatted like flies when the big name characters show up. Every single CMA in anime is weak.

[@Ascension7707]

😂 Retsu,Dorian, and Nomi inspired me to add the horse stance to my work out. What a humbling exercise. If you really want a good foundation and to test and strengthen your fortitude and willpower try it daily.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Same, particularly with Nomi! I also try to do Sumo Shiko as well being that it’s apparently good for the legs and knees!

[@Breno0523]

It’s horsing (stance) time !!!

[@B..B.]

Now add the other 4 stances that are missing and you will see your legs and core evolving to a new level

[@triburst]

The Jamie theme kicking in😮. Im digging this channel

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@triburst you already know, get ready for the trick and flips my man

[@Lovelllydia]

Bro this video is blowing my mind and is really peaking my interest into martial arts so thank you and keep making this stuff. Please 🙏😂

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@Lovelllydia thanks for the kind feedback! I’m glad you enjoyed!

[@Jack-xc2ys]

Great job, good tempo and delivery.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thank you my dude, you have no idea how grateful I am to hear you say that! That’s, like, the number one thing I worry about when making videos: whether or not my delivery is so bad, it makes the video worse overall

[@watcheverything99]

Awesome video! Kung fu is cool and Retsu is my favorite Baki character. So much that I've even been getting his spin off story from Japan. The only thing that would've been cooler was to mention his Tekken counterpart Feng Wei!

[@RedFoxGrappler]

4,000 Years of Great Taste in Anime AND Favorite Character! I used Feng Wei’s theme for some BGM, but I definitely plan to give the man a dedicated video

[@bronstonmahelona7676]

Just finished kickboxing and now driving home while listening to another red fox banger

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Get it brother! Improving the physical AND the mental!

[@ubcroel4022]

I feel like boxing and wrestling are the true first forms of 'fighting', but I assume it was hard to codify that over a hundred thousand years ago.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Yeah, that’s pretty much why I’m always particular in saying “system of codified fighting techniques” or something like that: Boxing and Wrestling are the oldest martial arts technically speaking, but neither style was codified as a system prior to Kung Fu to my knowledge

[@ubcroel4022]

@RedFoxGrappler not to mention the modern styles look nothing like what they would of looked like back then.

[@VikingMale]

Boxing, kicking and wrestling. Oldest forms of fighting. Codified as Pankration. Though versions of this were in hieroglyphs and Sumerian texts.

[@tyreuchiha4672]

Awesome video

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@GenericProtagonist118]

As a suggestion/idea for a future video: Hanayama's natural strong physique/Wakatsuki Takeshi Superman syndrome. The idea of being born physically super strong.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Interesting… I like it!

[@izzymosley1970]

I like the thought you used some panel's from kengan Omega in this video I hope you consider doing one of these videos for kengan ashura and kengan Omega.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Definitely! Niko Style is next and at some point, I’ll be doing a Techniques Explained on Akoya’s Stance of Suppression due to viewer request!

[@izzymosley1970]

@@RedFoxGrappler cool i could see you doing a video on demonsbane alone.

[@ItsJustMarty]

Discovered your channel yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised by all of the new information to be found. Especially the Jujutsu video which was a very happy surprise. Looking forward to more from you, and in the interest of sharing knowledge, here's some things I wanted to comment on: (Apologies in advance for the long comment, I can be a real wind bag.) Minor pronunciation correction, whenever you pronounce a name like Baji Quan, Hou Quan, Zui Quan, etc, The intended pronunciation of Quan is something like "chwun" not "kwon". In pinyin Q makes the CH sound. I have no idea why. This is only the case for Mandarin though, in Cantonese the word is Kune and it's pronounced exactly how you would expect. Language/dialect can also influence what name a martial art is called. So for example, in Cantonese: Tai Jik Kune, in Mandarin: Taiji Quan, in English: Tai Chi. Similarly, the "Zhang" in Ba Gua Zhang is pronounced "zawng" not "zaang". The animal styles can be a bit misleading. Fu Jow Pai is a different martial art from Hung Gar's Tiger form, but I promise you, with 100% confidence that if you ever see "tiger kung fu" in a movie, it was Hung Gar. Probably because that's what's most readily available in Hong Kong where most Kung Fu movies get made, and they know most people will never know the difference anyway. Not helping is the fact that many other styles, like Five Ancestors(which is different from Five Animals, which is a style within Hung Gar) and Xing Yi have their own animal styles. And almost all of them have a "tiger style" specifically. :/ In addition to Iaijutsu and Iaido, there is also Battojutsu and Battodo. Near as I can tell the only difference is that the "Batto" ones are performed standing up, and the "Iai" ones are performed sitting down, and even that doesn't seem to be universally agreed upon. Also Iaido doesn't typically involve test cutting but the other three usually do. Kaioh Ryo's "Chicken Head Strike" looks like a Crane's peck strike from Hung Gar(again) and Fujian White Crane. Although those are both southern styles not northern styles, so make of that what you will. The closest thing to the "Invisible Squash" I've ever seen was a Patrick McCarthy(the western world's most respected Karate historian) seminar where he demonstrated blowing into a person's eyes as a distraction. And there was once a shaolin monk who ran on water like Retsu did, although the method was very different. Also in this and other videos you imply or state that Pankration is a brutal blood sport where the fighters are trying to kill each other. This is actually a myth. The youtube channel AMO Pankration, headed by Athanasios Bonas who has written the only peer reviewed academic articles on Pankration, talks all about this and every other Pankration topic, highly recommended. Pankration was not only not particularly violent or deadly, it was actually tamer and safer than modern MMA. Speaking of Pankration...

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Wow, thank you for the kind words and of course all of the great info! I knew about the Chwan vs Quan, I should’ve been a bit more diligent about my pronunciation, but I’ll admit that I have a hard enough time with just saying the English parts right lmao For the different Animal Styles, I learned from Style Select’s Drunken Fist video that different styles of Kung Fu have their own Animal Styles and Drunken Fist Styles, but interesting to learn about how Hung Gar is like the go-to, I’ve always heard good things about it, so perhaps that’s why its so popular. I’d heard of Battojutsu, but never really figured out how it differed from Iaijutsu if it even was different or just a different name, so that’s news to me! So the Crane Peck is our Ryo Chicken Head Strike, but it’s southern style… maybe that means that, while Bailinquan is a northern style or at least from a northern temple, it has some influence from southern styles? That might be why Retsu has knowledge from the entire gambit of Kung Fu, I always thought he went and learned and studied other styles separate from the Bailinquan curriculum, but maybe it was some kind of guided Kaioh study Ryo! I’ll have to look into this eyebrow blowing thing, it checks out and I’m interested to hear about a potential real life Invisible Squash! If it’s Pankration you want, it’s Pankration you’ll get! I’m adding it to the list!

[@ItsJustMarty]

Okay, so based on the fact that I basically just published a book in your comment section, you probably figured out that I quite enjoyed your video. I knew a lot of this already, but I was surprised by how much I didn't know. One thing that caught me off guard was your very confident claim that Kung Fu is the oldest martial art, which I'm not so sure about. The Xia Dynasty is mythical and it's existence is disputed by historians. The Yellow River Civilization can answer for it well enough that Chinese civilization can correctly be called 4000 years old, but it's harder to prove that Chinese martial arts as old. The Yellow Emperor is a mythical figure who might not ever have existed. I've never found his written treatises on martial arts, and even if I did, I couldn't prove they actually date back that far. I've never heard of Sho Bu(spelling?) or Shau Bo/Shang Bo, let alone how old they are. The earliest references to Chinese martial arts, emphasizing this here for extra clarity THAT I AM AWARE OF is in the Spring and Autumn Annals (5th century BCE), which is the Maiden of Yue that you mentioned. Which would be predated by Pankration, introduced into the ancient Olympics in 648 BC so it must be at least that old, Pankration has on older proven history than Kung Fu so far as I know. The Greek weapon martial art of Hoplomanchie is even older. The Iliad predates the Spring and Autumn Annals by centuries and has very detailed descriptions of blow for blow combat. It was written in the 8th century BCE and details the Trojan War, which itself is theorized to have happened in the 12th or 13th century BCE. Even if we accept the mythical story of the Yellow Emperor and 4000 years, we could place Pankration anywhere between 3800 12,000 years ago with it's legendary/mythical founders, Theseus and Heracles/Hercules. So if your claims are true it would definitely upset what I know about the age of the Chinese martial arts. Could you tell me where exactly in your sea of sources you got the info if you remember? Anyway loved the video. Since I learned so much from you today it didn't feel right to me to just sit on my knowledge on this. And since I asked you for sources I may as well offer some material as a trade: I already offered AMO Pankration's entire channel, the Patrick McCarthy seminar I mentioned is on youtube, here's the title "Aiki Kenpo Jujutsu - The Pathway 101 #5". Wandering Warrior and Randy Brown both have separate videos on late Qing Dynasty martial arts that are very informative about Kung Fu and that I highly recommend. The shaolin monk running on water is on youtube too, all of this is on youtube, it shouldn't be too hard to find. TLDR; your video is good and you are smart. Here's some more info from another martial arts nerd. Thank you and have a good day.

[@ItsJustMarty]

@@RedFoxGrappler I left the info for the eye blowing in my other comment. Hope you found that video, if not I can try sending you a link. I always interpreted Retsu's fighting style as like, "Super Kung Fu" if that makes sense. Like the Bailin temple just teaches every single thing China's ever learned about fighting, and if they can't do it they at least know of it. That's just my take though. Good luck with a Pankration vid btw. I think between Kengan and Baki only one character actually knows it and he's fodder who was only there for a page and a half. Unless they brought him back, I'm a little behind on Kengan Omega. Maybe Silat would be easier? Either way I trust you to do the subject justice.

[@mizukarate]

Fa Jin is no joke in real life. It is a form of kinetic linking like in sports.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

You’re absolutely right! Without Fa Jin, we wouldn’t have the One Inch Punch or really half of the ways current martial arts have to generate such tremendous explosive power!

[@mizukarate]

@@RedFoxGrappler You really have a good understanding of martial arts in general. You could write a book.

[@Breno0523]

My first comment on this channel was about how chad Retsu is. Now we have a video explaining his Style The circle has come full (Also Red, I have watched Garouden, my Tiger King desire has been fulfilled).

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Damn man, you’ve been here for a good time AND a long time, the 4,000 Years of Chinese Martial Arts recognizes your game. (Garouden discussion video coming soon, let us revel in Tiger King together)

[@Breno0523]

@@RedFoxGrapplerI’m here to stay Boss 💪

[@mizukarate]

Very extensive and informative video. As far as "The Art of War" I always had my karate students read it. In fact I considered it mandatory.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thank you! I’m glad you found it informative, and I tried to be as extensive as possible! That’s awesome to hear, even if some things don’t 1:1 apply to modern life, everything in there is quintessential to a martial artist conceptually speaking. The Art of War and The Book of Five Rings are probably two of the most important martial arts texts out there in my opinion

[@mizukarate]

@@RedFoxGrappler I used 3 books as my "Bible" or mandatory books. 1. The Art of War- Sun Tzu 2. The Book of 5 Rings- Musashi 3. The Bubishi- McCarthy Edit

[@VikingMale]

Chicken head strike is a Crain strike. I have seen it in White Crane, and in Tai Chi.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Yeah, someone else told me it was the Crane Peck from Hung Gar, so that sounds right. Good to know it’s in WC and TC since I believe both are northern styles

[@otakunemesis34]

a video on kenjutsu, boxing and muay thai would be cool.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Sure! I’ve gotten a suggestion for Kenjutsu already, but I can add Boxing and Muay Thai to the list!

[@otakunemesis34]

add taekwando and ninjutsu also please.

[@Avalos-Entertainment]

New combat clarification video!

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Yessir!

[@blakumablak6217]

you shoulds do a kenjutsu video. also i love the videos

[@RedFoxGrappler]

I’m glad you loved the video, and I’ll add Kenjutsu to the list of requests!

[@mizukarate]

I saw one character was in a wheel chair. What system does he train in? I have studied a few books on wheel chair martial arts. They mostly emphasized Goju-Ryu Karate.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

That was Kaku Kaioh, he is a Kung Fu fighter that requires the wheelchair for extended mobility due to frailty of age and lack of muscle due to only training technique, but when he fights, he does so standing

[@KuddlesbergTheFirst]

Remember Pickle was so strong he forced Retau to use a 4,001+ ?

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@KuddlesbergTheFirst ye

[@iNightTiger]

Excellent video ! I can tell you actually did your research not like many other videos where they start by saying Kung Fu comes from Shaolin or other nonsense. Another note Sanda is a mix of Kung-fu techniques/styles with modern training methods. Muay Thai is not incorporated in Sanda. A lot of people say it is a mix of boxing/Muay Thai/judo and even Taekwondo. It's not. It's a mix of Northern styles Kung Fu, some southern styles and shuai jiao. As I said the training methods are modern and it was created by the military before becoming a sport. Otherwise you are spot on everything. A lot of people when they talk about the history of Chinese martial art can't even name the oldest ones like Jiaodi, Shoubo or even Jiao li. Loved the video, subscribed, keep them coming !

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thank you my dude, I appreciate your kind words about my research and enthusiasm! I’m bound to get some stuff wrong like the Sanda example, but I generally try to make sure I’m educated and not spreading misinformation lol, used roughly 70 sources of research for this one. Regardless, thank you for correcting me on the Sanda bit, and I hope my future content is just as enjoyable for you as this vid was

[@iNightTiger]

@@RedFoxGrappler Don't worry dude I'm just nitpicking because I have been practicing Chinese martial arts since I was 12 (26 now) ahaha and im just a hardcore fan of it. I loved how you explained everything with a lot of details. Thank YOU for your work and time. You rock 💪

[@Epicthomas1000]

Its funny as shit that technically Jerry Tyson and his fighting style is considered Kung Fu since he practices Xing Yi Quan before developing his "weapon" fighting style.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@Epicthomas1000 it’s true! While a fictional style based on imitating weapons, it IS in essence based on Xing Yi Quan’s Animal Fist styles and follows the same principles of imitation, just of weapons as opposed to animals

[@bocahcebol2815]

Oh, i notice that you read Q letter in "Quan" as K and sound like "Kuan". Fyi. In Chinese, Q letter are sound like Ch (like Chin, Cheese, Chinese, etc). So, "Quan" will be spelled as "Chuan"

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Yeah, I tried to be mindful of it, but it’s difficult to keep track of when recording. Most of the audio sounds well put together enough, but recording this was p tough! It’s like how China is originally Qina from the Qin Dynasty

[@justas423]

GOAT video

[@RedFoxGrappler]

🐐comment, thanks bud

[@jonasneubert6425]

The chicken head is also found in shorin ryu karate, also coukd you PLEASE do a style breakdown on the kaiwan style from kengan? I know it might be similar to the shinshinkai video but there are some definite differences

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thanks for letting me know about the Chicken Head strike, apparently in Kung Fu it’s called the Crane Peck! Also, absolutely I can do a video about Kaiwan Style, thank you for the suggestion!

[@Ash-rc4ns5df4k]

Awesome

[@RedFoxGrappler]

I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@UnknownFeng]

I miss Retsu. That guy was intense

[@RedFoxGrappler]

He may be gone in the main series, but at least he has his spin-off Isekai

[@ainako255]

great video

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thanks pal, I appreciate your comment

[@ainako255]

@@RedFoxGrappler I love breaking down fights and fighting styles, too.

[@edward4817]

Bothidharma is a Indian king who went to china to cure a disease because Indians were well versed in ancient medicine, After curing the disease, Bothidharma taught them martial arts to keep them healthy, it is today's Kung fu. Indians forgot everything they used to know, but Chinese didn't

[@RedFoxGrappler]

That is one possible origin of Kung Fu, though if Huangdi did actually create Jiaodi in 2,698 BC or before, it predates Bodhidharma’s coming to China by an order of magnitudes of years

[@sherlockholmes6332]

Babe wake up, Red fox just dropped a new video ❤

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Heck yeah, time to eat some breakfast while absorbing 4,000 Years of Kung Fu in 36 minutes lmao

[@personalisraelstefen]

Very good vídeo ! I training Wuzuquan ( 5 ancestrais fist) ,Wing Chun and Hung Gar 👍🏻☯️🐉

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thank you! Very cool to hear that you’re training multiple styles of Kung Fu!

[@MrRourk]

Emperor Taizu has entered the chat

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Through Emperor Taizu, China is made whole, extremely based

[@Ash-rc4ns5df4k]

We need video about ninjutsu characters on anime like baki and kengan and video game

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@Ash-rc4ns5df4k it’s been requested and is (eventually) on the way

[@Ash-rc4ns5df4k]

@@RedFoxGrappler cant wait 🥷

[@fletchkeilman2205]

Anyone here dig Jademan Comics? Dragon Tiger Gate (aka Oriental Heroes..aka Long Hu Men)? Drunken Fist? Force of Buddha's Palm?

[@jronyt4058]

Oh I'm not sure but I think you omitted saying Feng and Xiaoyu from tekken.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

They are definitely good reps of Chinese Martial Arts and I even used Feng’s theme as background music for the video, but I was just rattling off a couple examples since the video is mainly about manga, particularly Baki. I plan to do dedicated videos for both Feng and Xiaoyu in the future

[@RevivedTaritsuHanma]

*decree of the sichuan general intensifies*

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Should’ve tried to use that in the video, would’ve be perfect (though of course probably copyrighted lol)

[@BestBoiJugs]

After Niko can you do tennis style or did you already do it?

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Sorry, what’s tennis style?

[@BestBoiJugs]

@@RedFoxGrappler I meant tenma

[@BestBoiJugs]

Mb

[@stefanschleps8758]

Systematic and codified martial arts developed in India at least two thousand years before they did in China. Martial arts were developing all over the world as far back as before the last ice age everywhere that man went. Having said that the prestige belongs to India. Keep practice. Train for life. All the best. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Hi Stefan! According to my research, the oldest codified system of martial arts, so not things like Boxing and Wrestling that were conceptual martial arts until much later in history, is Kung Fu. The oldest Indian system I could find is Kalaripayattu, but Kung Fu predates it by over 1,000 years. Thank you for watching though, I hope you enjoyed!

[@w8ngr]

One question where did bodidarma come from,,, then are you saying things like Kalaripayattu aren’t the oldest and I say that as a Chinese person who has lineage in gong fu

[@RedFoxGrappler]

There are no historically reliable records of the origin of Kung Fu OR Kalaripayattu but if what we have is to be believed, Kalaripayattu is over 3,000 years old, dating back to 200 BC at the earliest, whereas Chinese Martial Arts, as stated in the video, are over 4,000 years old, dating back to 2,698 BC, so Kung Fu is older than Kalaripayattu

[@w8ngr]

@@RedFoxGrappler you prob still think kung fu actually works in self defence too if you believe that 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alexchen730]

wow i never know their where kung fu before the shaolin i need to know more

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Yeah, there were hundreds of styles before Shaolin, which popped up I believe in the 600-700 AD timespan, if you’d like to learn more, all of my sources and some additional information are linked in the description

[@alexchen730]

​@@RedFoxGrappler How come I never heard of it or it was lost

[@dhampirdp3489]

Retsu is bestu waifu and 4000yrs of Kung fu prove it

[@RedFoxGrappler]

That blush at the start was no mere coincidence: Retsu best waifu agenda must be known

[@AdityaChoudhary-t5w]

Kalaripayattu is the oldest bro not khug fu

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Nah, from what my research has shown, I don’t think that’s the case. Kalaripayattu is certainly one of the oldest styles, but it isn’t older than Kung Fu

[@VikingMale]

Codified martial arts styles are listed in the Sumerian texts.

[@Xxpp-y9c]

Whats 4000 years of Chinese to 200 million years of brute strength 😂

[@RedFoxGrappler]

@@Xxpp-y9c alot👁️👁️

[@Sonu-9]

w video

[@RedFoxGrappler]

W comment

[@kristhomas4039]

Great video, but how could you talk about tekken and not mention feng wei who's pretty much copied from retsu ?

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Thanks! As for Feng Wei, while I may not have mentioned him by name, I used his theme as background music for a portion of the video. Besides, he’ll get his own video dedicated entirely to him and his fighting style just like Lee Chaolan and Bob did

[@kristhomas4039]

@@RedFoxGrappler wow ! looking forward to it

[@kaserl2961]

0 views is -1 seconds? bro fell off

[@RedFoxGrappler]

Lmao, the 1 view on the video before release was me, had to make sure it was any good

[@DreX-8810]

This was all nice until the Gracie’s came 🤭

[@RedFoxGrappler]

And what? Rigged a tournament after Gracie Jiujitsu lost to Kimura because it looked bad? Dunno what that has to do with Kung Fu, mate

[@DreX-8810]

@@RedFoxGrappler Rigged? Lol……We talking the EARLY Gracie challenges lil fella on n the 90s. But you know wuts up ! OUS!

[@fletchkeilman2205]

Nothing wrong with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Ok...I'll give you the Gracie's have pulled some...things...back in the day, but BJJ is highly effective

[@pirateslifeforme7158]

First

[@RedFoxGrappler]

That you are, my friend!

[@thecollector6746]

Sumo and the vast majority of Japanese Martial Arts have absolutely no connection worth mentioning to Chinese Martial Arts....and this can be said for other Martial Arts outside of China as well.

[@RedFoxGrappler]

This is just blatantly just 100% not true. Xiangpu, a wrestling contest created in China is quite literally Sumo, Karate is directly descended from Chinese Martial Arts, particularly Fujian White Crane, Wuzu Quan, and Monk Fist Boxing, Japanese Jujutsu is directly descended from Chinese Chin Na and so on and so forth, but go off king, keep spreading misinformation lmao

[@thecollector6746]

@@RedFoxGrappler Except for the fact it is 100% true. There is absolutely no evidence that Chinese Martial Arts had any real influence on Japanese Martial Arts. NONE..nevermind the fact that you literally see it in Japanese Martial Arts and how fundamentally different they are than Chinese Martial Arts.

[@thecollector6746]

@@RedFoxGrappler Also 🤡, The word "Sumo" is Japanese. That alone should have tipped you off.

[@thecollector6746]

@@RedFoxGrappler Karate isn't Japanese 🤡. It's Okinawan. Again, you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

[@thecollector6746]

@@RedFoxGrappler ...and no...Xiangpu isn't Sumo....because Sumo is "Sumo"....also Sumo is older than Xiangpu.

[@scaredmongoose.7027]

I can finally know what this jobber wont stop yapping about 🎉🎉🎉