Combat optic review- Eotech vs Acog vs Elcan vs Vortex Razor 1-10

[@nookied3735]

You're like the millennial version of Paul Harrel. Very informative and professional.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Haha that’s great! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@apeshitcrazyman]

Lol! That's exactly right! Great opinions and info, thanks.

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[@chizorama]

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[@michaelarcangel3694]

Great comparison video! All are good choices for a true battle rifle in my opinion...you just gotta get what you can afford and train like heck with it. My choice for what my carbine was built for would be the Eotech EXPS3-0.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You know this might be the most accurate comment on this video yet! All of these optics are cool, but the most effective choice is what you're confident in using! Certainly budget is the limiting factor for all of us so choose something you like and run it! Thanks for watching!

[@sodajones2576]

Dude this is a great vid - thanks for taking the time to put this together

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate it! I had a blast putting this one together. Thanks for watching!

[@jasonwatkin5545]

Brother, your down to earth and humble style of covering a topic in a practical and technical way, while also engaging us in an entertaining manner, is a gift. You are a great teacher and cover what I want to know. Cheers to you.

[@alexanderharris539]

I've run everything, but the Elcan extensively. Taken all three into combat. I personally prefer the Razor Gen III above the ACOG and Eotech (I did not have a 5x magnifier on my M4) I ended up putting the Razor with Badger mount on my EBR as a DMR. The optic is wonderful in that capacity as he mentioned. I now have it on my 14.5 with a DPP 6MOA @ 45⁰. Yes it's on the heavy side but I'm somewhat of a larger guy so the extra weight is negligible. I absolutely love the set up. It's also far lighter than the EBR so again, I'm not concerned. Where I live I'll be engaging anywhere from 0 to 500 meters and this setup can run the full gambit.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Love the real world commentary! I really like the sounds of the 1-10 with an offset red dot, if you can manage a little extra weight I think this would offer a great package to engage targets up close and then push out to distance as you mentioned. I've ran the 1-10 on a couple of my rifles in other videos and made hits fairly easily on steel out to 1000ish yards. Really liked how the 1-10 fit on a DMR type rifle, the mil style reticle lends itself really well to that type shooting. Thanks for watching!

[@tylertapp131]

Good shit, also thank you for your service.

[@alllopez63]

i really like seeing the honest/real world grouping of that rifle

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You know a lot of folks have mentioned how poorly the rifle groups at 100 yds. Ultimately though it is what it is, M855 is not match ammo and as shown in the video, consistent 3moa performance is plenty capable of making consistent hits on a reduced man size torso at 300 yds. Just out here trying to provide a look at what realistic performance is out of this package. Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@davidb9323]

It could be grouping “poorly” because you stated you shot thousands of rounds through it already. We also don’t know your ability as a shooter. This is a great video either way because it shows an average person and what they can expect.

[@Lifechanging99999]

@@davidb9323exactly! I’m sure those groups would have been closer to 2” when the rifle was new.

[@davidb9323]

@@Lifechanging99999 probably, M855 is a barrel burner !

[@RanchoFiascoMike]

Excellent info. Nice to have someone explore the optic choices without needing to purchase them to compare. Nice that you gave logical reasoning for the practical use of these 4 different types of optical choices. Enjoying the information learned from your videos.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really appreciate the support! Certainly my goal is always to create entertaining content but I want to make sure each video has something of value for the viewer. Shooting each of these side by side really allowed me to get a feel for the pros/cons of each of these so hopefully that experience was conveyed clearly. Stay tuned for more content like this!

[@Isaacbway]

Great video, I have the eotech AA single dot and g45.. 200 yard zero and it’s fun to plink steel without the magnifier for sure, and with the magnifier you can definitely tighten up the groups. I Was looking at some of the other optics to mess around with but I think I was just ill with want, I’ll keep the eotech combo. Great content thanks for the effort in making solid informative videos on these topics.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You know I was very pleasantly surprised with the eotech/ magnifier setup. I fully expected this to be my least favorite option out of each of these options but after filming this video I'm looking for an excuse to buy an eotech with magnifier. While I agree your setup sounds solid, sometimes it's fun to see what other options are available. Thanks for watching!

[@minilogoguy18]

The window size and zero parallax just can't be beat when speed is necesarry at close to medium ranges. Eotech's are so great, paired with the magnifier to help out some past 200 its just so much better than an lpvo.

[@landocallbackesian3884]

Always liked the idea of LPVOs, have a few even, but have never tried the other options in your lineup, excited to give maybe the EO or elcan a try.

[@jasonschmidt157]

Another great video. Only thing I’d like to see different is you use the 3.5X ACOG which has better eye relief and is calibrated for M193 ammo. Keep up the great work brother!! Always enjoy how you do your videos!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Touche, the 3.5x acogs "fix" some of the drawbacks I mentioned in this video. I actually love the TA31F 4x acog and have ran it for years so I'm very comfortable with it. I'm actually planning to feature it in more content very soon so stay tuned! Thanks for watching!

[@jasonschmidt157]

@@MountainsMulletsMerica Looking forward to more great videos. If you ever come to northern Colorado let me know. I’ll supply all the ammo and hold the camera for ya 😝

[@jentrizle]

I don’t know if it’s the eye relief but the glass in 3.5 always looks better through my eyes.

[@austinallen1108]

Really good comparison, I've been wanting a elcan ever since seeing it on all the rangers block 2's and mk18's, they're just expensive. I got a 11.5 BCM rifle and a palmetto AK. I feel like putting a primary arms 1-6 on the AK and keep it a cheap hunting/battle rifle. Then I could put a elcan on the 11.5, or buy a FSP block 2 upper for the elcan and have the eotech that's on the 11.5 as a spare optic. I just like having a etched reticle instead of relying on batteries or irons for a fighting rifle.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Yeah the biggest downside to the elcan is cost. If you can get past that barrier though it really is an epic optic. Beautiful glass, awesome capability with integrated 1x and 4x and like you say the etched and very clean reticle is a huge pro. Plus I'm not sure it gets cooler than an Elcan on a 14.5" block II FSP upper haha. Thanks for watching!

[@00Mchenry]

I am impressed with the info in your videos. Your videos are much better than the big name "hype" channels. Keep up the good work.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really appreciate the compliments! I’m just a regular guy out here trying to make entertaining shooting content and so far it’s been really well received. Hope you’ll stay tuned as I’ve got a ton of new content in the works and make sure to share with your buddies!

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[@wefyb2]

As much as we can't have these kinds of rifles here in Australia, it's really interesting to see how the optics stack up against each other. pump action 5.56 rifles with LPVOs are the go-to in competition shooting in Aus, mostly due to the stage design. With defense being not the point of anyone's gear choice, it's always going to be down to competitive shooting to make the choice. Great video!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Very interesting! I didn't realize pump action 5.56 rifles were the go to choice in your neck of the woods. While this video was geared toward a "fighting rifle" or defensive type rifle I believe the concepts discussed with each optic are still valid for the competition world. In fact I've run the elcan, the acog and an older 1-6 LPVO in many carbine and 2 gun matches through the years and each of these are very effective for that type shooting as well. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@wefyb2]

@@MountainsMulletsMerica with no semi-autos allowed for 99.9% of people, and pump action rifles being available for everyone, it is really the obvious choice of action type. They are popular enough that Australia has a few domestic manufacturers of pump 223 and 308 rifles that have really great reputations. Compatible with AR/ stanag mags, so it is as close to a semi-auto as we can get. Thanks for all the awesome content, I've been watching since those first few uploads so I'm keen to keep seeing the channel evolving! I'm going to be moving to the rainforest mountains of Victoria soon, and you've inspired me to get myself a precision rifle and do some long range shooting!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

@@wefyb2 Very cool! I'd have to think with a bit of practice a semi auto rifle fed by ar mags would be very fast and super effective. 100% you'll love getting in to long range shooting. After you get those first couple hits at distance you'll be hooked! It'll be frustrating at first so don't give up! Appreciate the continued support! The channel has seen a ton of growth so far which has been super fun. Lots of exciting content planned in 2023 so stay tuned!

[@jamesshaw89]

This is a very cool comparison thanks for putting all the time and money into making this.

[@Xennial-en6kb]

Great review of the capabilities of each of these battle proven optics. I own and run all four of these and agree with everything you said. I prefer the Elcan Specter 1,4 and run it on a 14.5” SR-15 as my go-to rifle. Enjoy shooting it more than my TA31 and TA11 ACOGs. I really like the Eotech EXPS3 for night vision work and shotguns. The 60 moa ring matches a shot spread pretty well.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Good stuff, glad to know I’m not the only elcan fan in the house haha. I actually liked the eotech so much that I decided to buy this one from my buddy. Stay tuned as I plan to have more eotech content coming soon. Thanks for watching!

[@andrewhofmann7308]

Thanks for this! Been juggling all of these in my head for the past few weeks & going crazy

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Ultimately they are all great scopes and as you see in the video they are all very capable. Just comes down to what your ultimate goal is. For me I was really impressed with how flexible the eotech with magnifier setup felt. Thanks for watching!

[@cccalifornia7206]

Thank you for all your information and your pursuit of the best fighting optical!!👋 We appreciate your knowledge and expertise to us!!👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🤝

[@seanomeirs8362]

Thanks for the video. I just bought an LPVO yesterday. I haven't mounted it to a rifle yet, and I only bought it to have a representative for students to consider. I'm 60+, and my father is 80+, so optics have become a primary focus (pun not intended), nearly as much as reasonable accuracy.

[@bthemedia]

Fantastic review, very much appreciated. Considering the EXPS3-2 or EXPS3-4 among the EXPS3 series and debating G45 or stuck with 3x magnifiers… that I already have.

[@LovesM855A1]

Man you are a true American badazz! I love everything about your videos and you speak clear and with purpose so its refreshing! Thank you for the content Im going to get everyone I know to sub because this channel needs a few million subs along with views.

[@chrisjet10001]

I like this content! I run an Eotech with 3x mag on 11.5" fighter. was considering going with the Elcan and ditching the red dot. This video was exactly what I needed to see.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Awesome, appreciate you taking the time to watch! That's a tough choice, I believe either setup would be extremely capable but I really like how flexible the eotech with the magnifier feels. Thanks for watching!

[@reeceorrick6748]

Another reason I like the elcan that wasnt mentioned was that its a mechanical zero. Also, the reason why I like running the Vortex UH1 gen 2 huey!

[@chrisjet10001]

The Elcan seems bombproof, I'd need to play around with one before committing $2k. Good point on the mechanical zero

[@reeceorrick6748]

@@chrisjet10001 Perfect excuse to make some new buddies! I know I've spent tons of money buying new stuff only to realize I hate it womp womp

[@chrisjet10001]

@@reeceorrick6748 yeah I feel ya, I know the pain! I try and stick to brands I trust. I just switched to the Sig Spear LT 556 coming from DD. I took the gamble and I'm glad I did, but that could have been a bad move.

[@chuckdriver8269]

Excellent content & I hope to see your channel grow. Just subbed. I never considered EoTech as a viable option because of their shady practices with our military and I’ve always been an Aimpoint guy. Looks like an EoTech/magnifier might be beneficial for what I want to accomplish with my AR-15. 🇺🇸

[@Jason32Bourne]

Been running a red dot/Eotech with a 3x magnifier for about two years. Finally got to shoot to 500 yards today. Got about a seven inch group (3 within two inches) with 75gr Hornady frontier otm out of a budget DB-15 1-8 16inch. Very surprised and pleased with this set up. Very versatile. That Elcan has always caught my eye though. Perfect for a GPR. When I get a 6.5 Grendel upper, I'll be considering it. Thanks for the vid.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Man a 7” group at 500 yds using an eotech with magnifier is awesome shooting! Curious if you were using one of the eotechs with the bdc built into the reticle or just the standard eotech circle and dot?

[@Jason32Bourne]

@@MountainsMulletsMerica Thanks. I was using a standard one dot. I measured my target ( a full sized spray-painted silhouette ) before hand and used my dope. I also used a Hiperfire edt marksman trigger which I believe was a advantage. I would love to try a Geissele one day and see how I would do. Hear nothing but great things about them.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

@@Jason32Bourne epic shooting! It’s amazing how much easier it is to shoot to distance with a nice trigger. Anymore, swapping the trigger to a nice match 2 stage is the first thing I do in a new AR!

[@Jason32Bourne]

@@MountainsMulletsMerica Thanks. Happy shootin!

[@34TCO]

Exactly the kind of video I was looking for. Great content, sir!

[@colbydugger]

Great video man, you picked a good choice of optics to compare.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Trying to compare the main optics that come up during fighting rifle conversations. My opinion all of these are great choices!

[@tommcfarland5368]

Thx for the work put into this video!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@JoseChung21]

Really appreciate this video - perhaps the EXPS3-4 with a 5X magnifier would edge out the capabilities of the Elcan more definitively? There's your BDC and the option to use under nods is way more practical. I think that's what sells it for me.

[@Grayday117]

*“Now, let’s take a look, at the paper.”* Love this guy 😂❤

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Haha glad you enjoy it! Lots more content just like this in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!

[@joefennell7535]

I learn something new from every video. Thanks man.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Awesome! Glad to hear you are finding value in watching. Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you'll stay tuned!

[@wadesafool]

I’d like to see a video on a 3x magnifier vs 5x magnifier and what capabilities you get from each

[@elbino413]

My friend has been letting me use his Holosun 3x magnifier behind my eotech to see if I liked the magnifier option and I love it. Might be time to drop the money on the 5x

[@tylertapp131]

Good stuff. I personally run a dot paired with an eotech magnifier in unity mounts, have been for years now. I've always liked the idea of other options but never made the leap. I've gotten so used to it I cant get away from it, and its served me well over the years. Glad to see it do so well for you aswell, I too have the same opinion on the setup, it's nice to have the extra magnification when needed but also nice to be able to strip some weight when not needed. I've always liked the idea and looks of the elcan but have no time behind one or ever even seen one in person lol mabey some day.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Pretty crazy man…. Prior to shooting this video I wasn’t a fan of a red dot/ magnifier setup but admittedly I’d never really given the setup a fair shot. After running each of these setups side by side and approaching with an open mind I was shocked at how well I liked the red dot/ magnifier setup. Liked it so much I ended up buying both the eotech and the G45 from my buddy haha. Hoping to push the setup to distance at some point so we can see how well the eotech bdc reticle matches up with really world performance at distance.

[@tylertapp131]

@@MountainsMulletsMerica lol that's awesome man, it's good stuff. look forward to seein what you come up with next!

[@g.wo.t9366]

Very easy to follow and loaded with information, thank you.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@sauceidize6389]

Loved the video and the format, appreciate ya

[@jerrygoldfuss466]

Great video! I love watching comparison videos!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch. Stay tuned for more content like this!

[@philliplopez1501]

If you are interested in "fighting" rifles, then begin by looking at the US Army standard issue M4 (14.5 with an aimpoint red dot). During this time frame, you will see 14.5 an 20 inch rifles outfitted with the ACOG. More recently, the Marines have opted for 16 inch M4s with 1x6 LPVOs. And my favorite, the Rangers, running M4s (14.5 with Eotechs). These are just some of the setups having been run during real-world fighting. Hope that helps you develop what works best for you. Best of luck, Phil

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Yep, hard to argue with real world data! Lots of Elcans out there and most recently the trijicon 1-8 as well. Pretty interesting seeing how gear preferences have changed in fairly recent times. Thanks for watching!

[@mac7977]

Great content & info, I've been trying to decide on an optic for my 18in MK12 clone. I used a Criterion barrel instead of a Douglas barrel. Been using a Steiner PX4i 1-4, but want a little more capability. Keep bringing awesome content.👍🏽

[@ReticentIndignation]

Thank you for producing this awesome video!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

No problem, I had a blast putting it together! 100% changed my opinion on eotechs after running this one side by side with the other optics.

[@ianbantjes3785]

Great video. Love your insight into this topic.

[@mathewthatcher6274]

I run an elcan on my 12.5". Its awesome I played around with the eotech and g33 first. Then i broke the vortex viper pst on my Mk12. Bought the elcan 1/3/9 as a bombproof replacement. Loved it so i bought the spectre 1/4 for my 12.5". No regrets

[@chocadile007]

Awesome and informative vid. Thanks for putting this out!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! I had a blast putting this one together and learned a tons. Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@christurner8255]

Great review bro. I got an EoTech XPS2-0 and I'm saving up for the magnifier. The reticle is fuzzy but I think the magnifier will clean it up. I'm getting an ACOG later. For my LPVO I didn't want to spend the money for a razor so I just got a Sig Tango MSR 1-8. It's been good enough for me. Top end LPVOs are so expensive.

[@tmay1975]

The G33 magnifier makes it just about crystal clear.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

No joke, the high end LPVOs feel crazy expensive for what they are. That said, I bet you'll be really happy with a magnifier behind the Eotech you're got. LPVOs are awesome but I really enjoyed the flexibility offered by the eotech with the magnifier and as shown in the video I felt like this setup gave up very little if anything to any of the other optics.

[@2amichaelj]

Don't cheap out the magnifier. I have an EXPS2-2 and it's crystal clear with the G33. It still looks good with my Holosun HMX3T and Vortex Micro 3 but it's noticeable and you'll seriously want that clearer glass at higher magnification. If you like that set up, next time it'll save you some cash to buy both a EXPS and G33 together. I found the combo for $830 shipped this year and been really pleased with it. LPVOs are tricky because again, you'll want and benefit from clearer glass at higher magnification. I recommended a Trijicon Credo HX 1-6, Delta Stryker HD, Steiner PX4I, Trijicon TR25, Vortex Viper PST Gen 2 for decent sub $1,000 LPVOs that I consider mid range-ish if you're ever looking to get out of that budget LPVO tier with the Primary Arms SLX, Swampfox Arrowhead, Sig Tango MSR tiers. A sleeper LPVO is the Burris RT6 imo which is sub $400.

[@seanwhite304]

Eotech EXPS3 with Magnifier or ELCAN would be my choice .. Absolutely phenomenal video

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Love it! After running each of these optics side by side I really feel like either of these optics would be perfect on a fighting AR. I went into this video expecting the eotech and magnifier would be my least favorite but after some time with the setup that quickly changed haha. Thanks for watching!

[@seanwhite304]

​@@MountainsMulletsMerica I shoot 2Gun COMPETITIONs monthly. 75% of the time I use my go too 13.9 with EXPS3 and Micro 3x MAGNIFIER. When we are shooting 300 Yards and in I use this combo . When ever we shoot at PNTC I use my Recce 14.5 Upper with 1-10 because we shoot out to 600M at that range . I have absolutely 0 issues hitting Reduced C zone at 320 Yards . I have hit 8" plate at 320 yards with EXPS3 and Triplier. I did not get it in the first shot . I got it on the third shot . If the Elcan wasnt so expensive I'd for sure own one lol. I'm also a sucker for Trijicon Accupoint and ACOG . I freaking love TA45 and TA31 . TA45 is probably my all around favorite for 100Y and in . If someone said ACOG with MRDS was the absolute best setup . I would not argue with them . I can see why they think that . Red Dot / HWS with Micro Triplier to me just makes the most sense . It's kind of a no brainer . Especially now with UNITY FTC Triplier mounts .

[@Schaz42]

Have you ever done a side by of the Trijicon ECOS and the Elcan? I’ve had both at separate times but never got to compare and contrast the two together. The ECOS to me does everything except the 1x of the Elcan, which I never used anyway, but weighed a whole lot less. They both even had the same Docter II sight for close in CQB.

[@-Zevin-]

Curious how the Acog would stack up in this comparison if run with a offset or piggyback micro red dot. It should only add a couple of oz. Do you think it would rank up there with the Eotech or Elcan if so? Another idea for a video that could be interesting is barrel length for a fighting rifle outdoors. If it's not something you are going to use in indoor CQC, is going from a 18/16inch to a 10 or 14.5 providing any tangible benefit over the longer options, or are you better off with the longer barrel and greater velocity? The short AR are all the rage these days, and are great for home defense or urban combat, however for us in rural America are they really relevant?

[@Jrh-rp7np]

Great info …I bet this took some time to film,,, not to mention the cost in ammo… thank you for posting this video

[@commonsenseproductions5893]

For the average citizen, the 3x acog is still king for simplicity, ruggedness, and weight.

[@huntmatthewd]

Yes. ☝ And might I suggest the Primary Arms 3X micro prism as well. Cuts cost, weight, has a usable reticle, shake and wake battery tech, etc.

[@commonsenseproductions5893]

@@huntmatthewd love all the PA prisms as well

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Totally agree with you here. I've run this 4x TA31F for years but there are so many acog options out there now it's really easy for a person to find exactly what fits their intended application best. After shooting this video I'm thinking I'll add a red dot to my acog equipped rifle so step that short range game up. May play with some of the lower magnification acogs down the road though as I love how light and robust they are. Thanks for watching!

[@russcastello75]

Great video. Just the content I was looking for. Currently I run a delta point pro red dot on my house ar and a PA 1x prism with a 3x Juliet on another one.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Awesome, appreciate you taking the time to watch! Funny you mention the 1x prism sight, I've had several comments on this video regarding prism optics. I'm thinking I might try to pick one up to try out in future content. Hard to beat a 1x with magnifier in my opinion.

[@Bmxmoose14]

cardboard on the acog made me laugh, props on the videos man your channel is next up!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Oh man you gotta do what you gotta do haha. I literally couldn’t see to shoot the acog with the sun in my face so I had to come up with some kind of sunshade. Thanks for watching!

[@americapride]

Got my subs, bro. I had Eotech+3x magnifier on all my rifles (16”) for my own practical uses/purposes

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Awesome! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Tell you what, I went into this video fully expecting to like the eotech and magnifier the least of all.... turns out I liked it so much I bought this eotech and G45 setup off my buddy haha. Great choice for all around use.

[@beardly0121]

Nice video and as usual you did some good shooting. With that said I fundamentally disagree with your conclusion. I believe the ACOG is the best option and yes, it is superior when paired with an RMR. That said, you will not find a lighter or more durable optic that offers the capability of an ACOG+RMR combo. Yes, on a 10.3" MK18 personally I'd run an eotech or other RDS. BUT, for the average person a 10.3" rifle is not an ideal fighting rifle. Something in the 11.5-14.5" range would be better and really, I'd say 11.5" only if using it suppressed as you are. Otherwise the average person should be running a 12.5-14.5" barrel with a magnified optic. You can definitely engage faster with a red dot sight at close range. But combat isn't just about engaging, it's about gathering information so that you know when to engage and how best to do so. I really dig your channel bro but I had to offer my 2 cents. Another guy whom I also recently found and subscribed to has an excellent video where he really lays down the logic behind the ACOG and ACOG+RMR. I really suggest watching it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIGymqdserKrpKs

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Solid video from preparedairmen and I appreciate you sharing! Looks like he's got a solid channel with a lot of cool content. Ultimately I agree with both your and prepared airmen's comments, a magnified optic is a much have on fighting type AR. The acog is an awesome optic, extremely robust with a great glass a huge field of view an easy to use reticle. If I were putting together a rifle where weight was at the top of the list I would for sure choose an acog with red dot. If weight isn't the most critical concern I believe there are other options that I would prefer. I believe a fair mix of capability and weight is the red dot with the magnifier setup. Run the magnifier on the rifle when you need the ability to magnify and see/ shoot at distance, then if you find yourself shooting primarily close range or working with NV remove the magnifer and run the red dot by itself. Ultimately though each of these optics have a place on a fighting rifle as they all have their own pros and cons. For me, I prefer my acog on my 14.5" block II upper. I'm actually planning a video with this setup shortly so stay tuned! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@NaterTaterOutdoors]

Solid vido buddy. I was fully expecting you to like the LPVO for shooting because that’s what I like the most but I just bought an eco-tech for an SBR that I have so I’m glad to hear your opinion on the topic. I’m about to take a heavy rifle and pistol class, but I’m gonna see if my opinions match up to yours. Keep the great content coming.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Would love to hear what you think after running each of those side by side. Ultimately I love LPVOs but for the purposes outlined in this video I preferred the other optics. My opinion is an LPVO is a great fit on something like a 14.5-16" rifle or something along the lines of a DMR that you're looking to push out to distance. This 1-10 in particular was a lot of scope for a 10.3" SBR where max engagement distance is 200-300ish yards. Thanks for watching!

[@dennishines9996]

great video man, wish you much success

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel!

[@DownRange556]

Really great video and very professional. I’m subscribing for more!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Really appreciate the support. Lots more content like this on the way in 2023 so stay tuned!

[@manuelruhland9184]

I have a Elcan Specter 1,5-6 on my H&K 308. I like this combination a lot! Perform great together

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You know the 1.5-6 elcan is something I want to try. Can’t decide how the 1.5x would perform vs something more along the lines of a true 1x. Thanks for watching!

[@samdavidson6483]

Great video man 🔥

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos and support the channel!

[@bluetidesexperience]

I like your methods. Very thoughtful.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! My hope was to come up with a fair way to compare optics that would represent how most folks would be using them. Certainly not perfect but i learned a ton doing this. Thanks for watching!

[@adamg574]

Great video man, easily deserved new sub here.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Really appreciate the support. Planning lots more content like this in 2023 so stay tuned!

[@noneyabidness196]

I am waiting on a elcan SU-230 myself for a MK18. I am thinking I’ll prefer it over an eotech because of battery life and ability to pick it up and shoot.

[@jerryseinfeld4513]

Awesome vid as always, lets push that mustache to the limit in future vids.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You have my 100% commitment to make this happen haha. Thanks for watching!

[@darrellgalletta5066]

Bro your channel is 🔥 keep it up

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really appreciate it! I've got a lot planned for 2023 so stay tuned!

[@DZ4295DBW]

The only LPVO that ive truly enjoyed has been the Vortex Razor 1-6 or the March Shorty DR-TR1. The latter for past 300m. But on my 16in Centurion ive got a TA110 and will be used a piggyback Romeo7s until my T2 shows up.

[@devonsk8s4]

Another fantastic video!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you!

[@MrKingArthurhk]

So, did you place in the mullet contest?

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You know I wish I could say I have a trophy mullet but that just isn’t the case haha

[@jeffguy3868]

Great video’s keep up the great content and work

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate it! I've got a ton of content just like this planned for 2023 so stay tuned!

[@Mikey5-O]

Love your videos! Thank you. Subbed!!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Really appreciate the support! Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!

[@MF-Rell]

Great video, as always, thanks.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate it!

[@tomszrodak]

Once again, very good content 👍

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Big plans for 2023 so stay tuned!

[@FRANZ3311]

Great video with valuable info!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@blacklight3330]

It is to be expected from a ten 1/2 inch barrel. I think longer barrel would help stabilize the bullet before it exit the muzzle.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Yeah I wish 100yd accuracy was better but ultimately it is what it is and as shown in the video 3-4 moa is very much "combat accurate" out to 300 yds. I am confident had I been shooting 77gr ammo groups would have been much more impressive but I'm not sure that's truly representative of how most fighting rifles are setup. Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@patrickmeyer4408]

Nice

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you!

[@stephenlopez5497]

Great video. Looking forward to more videos

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Awesome! I've got a lot planned for 2023 so stay tuned!

[@Bisley1]

Grow channel, grow! Great videos, thank you

[@jesse5167]

You should get a shot timer so we can quantify the speed difference on the optics! Great video!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You know this thought crossed my mind. I don’t have one at the moment but I’ve been thinking about getting one. Would be great to use in quantifying some of the differences between these optics. Thing is I’m just an average guy out plinking so I don’t expect any kind of lightening quick speeds haha. Thanks for watching!

[@michaelblankenship7278]

Way better video than the one Brass Facts did!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate it! Just out here trying to create entertaining and informative content. Stay tuned for more!

[@REMYSCH]

Great video

[@georgekirby3361]

Excellent as always.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate it! Thank you for the continued support of the channel!

[@PubliusRutiliusLupus]

I think you should have run a red dot on the ACOG. The setup would still be cheaper and lighter than an ELCAN. It would be lighter but about the same cost as the EOTECH with magnifier.

[@madmachine5949]

great vid bud

[@lancelink70]

Really like your content and presentation.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch. Lots of content planned for 2023 so stay tuned!

[@Senator-Wary]

Pick one and stick with it, and you'll be fine with whatever. Just have a good one in that category

[@morfeo434389]

Great work brother, thank you

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@MP-xw5um]

Well put together video. My middle name is budget, so I like my Sparc II red dot, for the house gun. A Cabelas 1-4 LPVO for another and a Vortex 1-6 for My 18" hunting gun. Thanks for the good content...

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@FlamingRobzilla]

Looks to me like the hotter the barrel got the more open the groups got. Then again, I don't know how much time he took between switching optics so maybe it's a fair comparison.

[@coldborevideos5438]

You should run track man, you're blazing fast!

[@RADIOACTIVEBUNY]

I just couldn't deal with the 1-10's tight eye relief so I sprung for an ATACR 1-8. Mind you I paid 2300 for it instead of the usual 2800. The Vortex's ability to just disappear in your field of view is really unparalleled. That said, the tight eyebox on that optic is just, well, tight. Exit pupil makes it worthless at high mag when it's not a clear bright day but you can always dial back to a lower one. The 1-10 I would say is exclusively for a DMR type rifle. The ATACR is much more forgiving, but it takes up a lot in your field of view and has a tight FOV itself. You don't miss it too much with both eyes open but it's there. That said, the more forgiving eyebox is very much noticed. Exit pupil is simple math, same constraints as the 1-10 at equal mags. I'd say the ATACR can live on an AR, but is still happiest on a DMR type rifle. Following the 1x per 100 yards rule, 1-6 is fine for an AR-15. 8 can't hurt though (usually). I'll have to use the ATACR more, and mess with the diopter some more for an ideal image, as obviously with LPVOs it's all a compromises. Just some barely related thoughts on the optic in the video and its competitor. Obviously you CAN run the 1-10 more than fine, as seen in this video (and my experience) but your margin for error in head placement is much, much higher on a 1-8, 1-6, and 1-4 (in ascending order). never much messed with red dot and mag but I can see it as a great way to get a little longer range capability on a close-in focused rifle. Elcan is an elcan. Ancient, but in 1000 years they'll still work. ACOG with an RMR is a weird one. I use one now. Takes getting used to, that's for damn sure.

[@kasualkenny8797]

The vortex eye box on 8 is the same as the eye box on the ATACR 🙄

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Love this summary and I am very much in agreement. I just cannot get into the Acog with RMR so I'll leave that one alone haha. The elcan obviously I'm a huge fan of as you can see in this video. When it comes to LPVOs, I love the razor 1-10 but after spending a fair amount of time with one I don't see myself buying one. There's just something about the optic at higher magnification that I don't like. Part of it might be the eye box, but the bigger part is something about the image just doesn't look right to me. Hard to explain other than I always feel like the image is a little bit blurry even though I don't think it is. My guess is this feeling comes from the fixed 100ish yd parallax. I owned an atacr 1-8 years ago but sold it because I didn't like the old style reticle. Now that they've released a much improved reticle I could see purchasing an atacr 1-8 to use on something like a 14.5" upper or on a 16" dmr type setup. After running each of these optics side by side in a "fighting rifle" type application, I really feel like the eotech with the magnifier or the elcan would be my preference. Both are very fast and easy to use without a lot of extra expense or weight. Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

[@user-uq1kk4mh2n]

Channel is booming

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Yeah the past month has been wild! Really excited about the growth and I've got a lot more planned for 2023. Stay tuned, it should be a fun time!

[@cheeto4240]

I loved my eotech but it begun to delaminate after only a year of owning it. Eotech fixed it under warranty but I couldn't trust it after that and ended up selling it.

[@fro-yo-momma7082]

My first scope is gonna most likely be a eotech just cause they are iconic

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Can’t argue with you there! The eotech is super iconic! Plus it’s also a really great performer so you won’t go wrong going the eotech route.

[@Beltfedshooters]

I've tried them all and have settled on the ATACR DMx 1-8x for now.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

If I decide to be another LPVO this is what I'll go with. I had an ATACR 1-8 several years ago with the old style reticle. Ultimately sold it because of how much I disliked that reticle, now that they've really improved the reticle it's back on my list of optics to buy. Unfortunately after spending a fair amount of time on the razor 1-10 I don't see myself purchasing one of these. Great optic overall but just some things about it that would make me hesitant to buy. Thanks for watching!

[@The_John_Galt]

This is going to be good!

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Hope you enjoy it! I had a blast putting it together.

[@SaltNBattery]

An EOTech and "Budget Option"? Primary Arms and Vortex are usually what you'll hear but EOTech, not so much.

[@southeastbeast253]

Came for the great content. Commenting for the algo. Stayed for the mullet.

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

Love it! You are a modern day hero haha. Thanks for watching!

[@Theloss52]

I'm here to argue the need for a red dot over irons at all. Considering most people still keep iron sights, its just added weight .. If you shoot competitions it puts you in two different groups , some of us just learn to shoot with irons

[@mcantu197]

Awesome video. Did you notice how the shots you took with hand guard directly on the barricade were getting pushed up? When you went prone or kneeling, the shots were much closer to your point of aim with the gun off the barricade. Could be the barrel harmonics being affected by resting on a hard surface. On the 36/300 zero: this is the USMC zero used on 20" A2/A4 rifles with iron sights. The 36 part is just a 'preliminary' zero to get you on paper and close to zero. You HAVE to confirm at 300. The USMC marksmanship manual even says not to use the gun in combat with only a preliminary 36yd zero. It can be used on shorter barrels but the numbers won't match as much. The 36yd part doesn't really matter as the final zero is confirmed at 300 and that's the one that matters. On ACOGs the zero is done at 100, but i think you know that

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

You know I can’t say I noticed my impacts pushing high when shooting off the barricade vs off the bipod. I really just chalked those shots up to the fact that I was trying to shoot somewhat rapidly off of a rather unsteady position. Now you’ve got me thinking I should rewatch the video and maybe do a little more range time testing to see if there’s more to what you’re noticing. On the 36yd zero thing….. this was me confirming performance at distance out of this rifle haha. Thankfully things were close enough to work for the video. Stay tuned for more content like this!

[@Ohkayechill]

Serious question, I want to buy the Eotech Exps3-4 with a g45 magnifier when I take it out the box and mount it what do I need to do to make it accurately hit or is it ready to shoot after mounting from box? Another quick question how do you feel about xps version since it is absolute co witness whats the advantages from exps 1/3 and xps true? What you think would be best for daniel defence ddm4v7

[@andrewmckinley6571]

Thank you