Combustor Cans 2 - Turbine Engines : A Closer look

A comparison of shiny, reworked jet parts with the crusty, dirty things we started with.

[@tedomir8388]

AgentJayZ you are a legend for creating this channel. Nothing helps my aviation studies more than your vids. Since my university is full of crap, at least I can see what i'm learning about on your vids. Hopefully one day I'll be able to touch, not just see.

[@darshitdalal3273]

this video was pretty amazing. It helps out engineering students a lot, thanks for creating this video.

[@GhostRiderEvo]

I'm a spanish student doing my last year project in university. It is the design of a small turbojet engine (about 70N of thrust). I have to thank you and your videos for showing me how real things in a TJ engine looks like. Thank you for let us see things that otherwise we couldn't ever have seen. I wish i could have time to subtitle your videos so that more people could learn about this world. Once again thanks for your time!

[@Aluminata]

Same technique I use to clean my coffee cup - in compliance with the thousand hour maintenance schedule.

[@brabhamfreaman166]

aVe?

[@mrgreyman3358]

Thank you for these videos, they are both fascinating and educational.

[@clintonbarr2443]

Thank you for taking the time and making all these great lectures!

[@DeathrashWhiplash]

currently learning about gas turbines in my power engineering course, your video helped thanks

[@sionekulu7912]

Hi Jay thanks for showing us a lots about the combustor in details through this video I watched a tutor video about how the combustor working in animated video but now , when I watched your video , everything in my imaginations becoming very clear , now I can see very clearly add up to my knowledge thank you appreciated , its very clear and understandable that no one cant missed your explanations , beautiful I love it , thanks mate cheers

[@SUPERCHARGE7]

Your explanation is superb, thanks for all the effort. You are better than our "professors" in college.

[@muzzaball]

Thanks Jay, very interesting. It's all about the detail !

[@mavatokaroongah6035]

great video,helped me understood how these can combustors works

[@dietergrollmu1191]

Sehr schön erklärt. Jetzt weiß ich wie eine Brennkammer eines Jet Triebwerkes aussieht. 👍 ✅

[@noeortiz6128]

Thank you so much Jay not only are your videos very instrumental in my path to getting my A & P license I get to actually see the internal parts at a much more in depth visual. Thanks again....

[@zapfanzapfan]

Much better than anything on Discovery! Thank you!

[@jfchengyt]

very useful to learn about How to overhaul a combuster can. Thank your video.

[@bartel6647]

Thanks very Much

[@AgentJayZ]

Some blasting, some power tools, some elbow grease, and occasionally some chemical rust remover, so yes to all of the above!

[@hamburgerfa]

Thanks for the detailed explenation. very impressive.

[@AgentJayZ]

The main shop is filled to overflowing with several jobs, including the Orenda. A gap in the test schedule allowed me to paint these big pieces in the unused test cell. But the window has closed, and I'm moving them out now. Good thing I'm finished!

[@AgentJayZ]

The material shows cracks easily on visual inspection. The OEM procedures are for visual inspection of this part. Other parts are required to be inspected with either magnaflux or dye penetrant.

[@HarpreetSingh-fo7tk]

You are amazing! I love your videos which are very helpful to know all about jet engines! 💕

[@AgentJayZ]

They are fixed vanes, intended to produce a small vortex of slower moving air surrounding the tip of the fuel nozzle.

[@asria5654]

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[@AArcticAA]

Very good video... I didn't realize jet engine work was so glamorous .... lol Good job agent

[@AgentJayZ]

Have a look at Your Questions 3... and then you may also enjoy the whole series.

[@AgentJayZ]

There's only one huge liner in a modern turbofan. It is inspected at every overhaul, and repaired if neccessary. It will probably be replaced after several thousand hours of service. That would be a couple years in a working airliner. Not a limited lifetime component with a specific number of cycles or hours before replacement. It depends on its condition whether it will be repaired or replaced.

[@Finwingman]

Thanks for the video. Also great to see some real damages what to look for. I just had to watch the Star Trek movie once again. I saw some parts that looked like jet engine parts in about 1h 25min.

[@just1ofgod]

wow i dont know what else to say other than thank you everytime i watch your videos i feel like i sould be paying for this soo much awesome info wonderful!!!

[@VulcanSimulator]

Nice video, I worked at Rolls Royce until recently but never really got a chance to see the engines. I'm going to go over your vids to see what I can learn ;-) cheers

[@Aluminata]

Those flame tubes are a contradiction in terms - they are actually pretty cool!

[@AgentJayZ]

We do use fluorescent dye penetrant inspection procedures

[@paralleler]

As always, another wonderful video. Many Thanks!

[@AgentJayZ]

Excellent!

[@AgentJayZ]

Since it is usually a question of what needs to be done and how long it will take, it's usually dependent on the amount of labor invovled. Several hundred to several thousand man-hours. Plus whatever parts are required.

[@Bloodcurling]

If its not too rough on the metal, I'd recommend a brush or wire attachment on that pneumatic line instead of hand brush cleaning

[@motormouser]

Lightning reflexes with the torch there Trekie! Great video as always keep 'em coming!

[@AgentJayZ]

That's the scene. You can see all those pieces in various videos I have made.

[@C-M-E]

I've compiled a ton of parts for The Project =) and have now moved on to the initial stages of fabrication. I'm watching all of these combustor videos looking for pertinent information as the first order is fabbing up a combustor cover. My first thought was a scuba tank as the base but they're quite pricey, even in 'junk' condition, so now I'm looking at fire extinguisher tanks. Think they'll hold up to the pressure? For reference, I'm using a JT12 combustor liner for primary containment duty.

[@wi11y1960]

Some of the items are in the work area Of Commander Scott's workshop (camera pans through combustors, and flame ring on the floor near rear of shuttle). Then on Enterprise Kirk searches for Scotty by talking to the casing.

[@clockman47]

Thanks my friend, LIVE LONG AND PROSPER, Your friend in adairsville ga.

[@grangerboo718]

AgentJayZ, thank you so much for these wonderful, easy to understand videos! If you don't mind, I have a question that perhaps you, or one of your followers could answer. What prevents the combusting air/fuel mixture from blowing back out of the compressed air intake path? Thanks again, and keep up the good work!

[@58Tripacer]

So out of curiosity....what do you do with combustors and or liners if they don't pass the test? Is there a chance you might have several unserviceable ones laying around? Your videos have inspired an idea....! Love watching these videos by the way...

[@HIGGI6]

Great video - once again ;-) These Orenad 14 combustor cans are quite big compared to the ones in a J-79 - aren`t they? I have seen some cut open J-79 and J-47 along with Rolls Royce and some Russian type engines in a museum last weekend - which was nice to have kind of a compare in how they are designed. Just love this stuff :-)

[@johnm400uk]

Jay, your a legend! I love these hands on videos and cant thank you enough for taking the time and effort to make them for us. One question, if this was a modern turbofan engine that was under going a major overhaul would the procedure be the same or would they just scrap the liners and replace with new? Also approximately how long in service before this sort of strip down and inspection would be required? Thanks in advance. John

[@tomhappyster]

好感謝你堤供噴射引擎知識的教學 非常感謝

[@AgentJayZ]

We do use both procedures.

[@KickPunchKick]

Looking at the "before" and "after" I think I'm correct to say that OCD is a virtue in you line of work

[@dogguyful]

Awesome 👍👍👌👌🙏🙏

[@iknowsstuff]

you sir need a co2 dry ice blaster.to clean stuff as always an absolutely fascinating video thanks

[@MysticalDork]

Whoo! not first (probably) but close! Hooray for jet engines!

[@justincase3880]

I thought they used inconel for the combustor liners .. the mini/nano turbojets I use for RC jet model airplanes use inconel combustion chambers .. originally they used furnace stainless, but it had too short of a service life .. they would lose density (sort of delaminate) and corrode away like a BBQ grill burner …

[@AgentJayZ]

A well designed combustor liner is never touched by the flame. Stainless steel is more than adequate if the liner does its job of directing cooling air. One of the reasons I don't pay attention to RC Turbine model engines.

[@TeemarkConvair]

now the MAD dash to the video banks!! thanks jay

[@zhongsun6406]

wo，Really unbelievable, in China you won't see this, but I like these things, because he is very interesting

[@satyawanduhan7248]

Great... sir ,,,

[@zeltau]

This is the video I'm looking for

[@ve3dvy]

I have a question not so much related to this video but its mentioned in other videos could you explain the cause, effect and what is a compressor stall. I think I understand it a little from a reply made in the comments somewhere but want to understand it better. Im about two thirds the way through your videos very interesting stuff makes me wish I had taken a career path in turbine engine service. not in electronics although I enjoy that too. by the way why in this video do you give home work! now I have to watch star Trek again. oh the pain. interesting what they used as props many ham radio operators recognized the antennas on the bridge one just like the one on the roof of my car,

[@VWGTI2013]

I`m going back to school for aviation maintenance. This is pretty cool! Are you self employed?

[@joanborger702]

Enjoyed, thank you!

[@Fierobsessed]

Having recently acquired a sandblasting cabinet, Like any good mechanic I'm finding a bajillon things in my garage that need sandblasting. In many of your videos, I noticed that you tend to do quite a lot of manual scrubbing. I'm curious as to what types of things get which treatment, and why. I've seen you blast compressor blades, but scrub stators.

[@DScottDuncan]

Wow! If S&S charges $100 (for example) per man-hour, that would be $300,000 for labor! Correct? Plus that $20,000 thrust bearing (for example) you showed way back in a video about them... plus whatever else! So, you could actually have a 400~500 K + bill when done? Amazing! I give respect & thanks to people & businesses that fund this kind of work, especially the antique stuff, which is usually for the love of it! Darren

[@johnm400uk]

Thanks for the speedy reply. When you say modern turbofan engines use one huge liner do you mean like the LM2500 anular liner?

[@Finwingman]

Also in Star Trek Enterprise season 4 episode 3 in T'Pols home in Vulcan have these "lanterns" that look a awfully lot like a combustor can liners. Hmm maybe those would work as a lanterns too...

[@the1thatgotirwin]

"So, the Enterprise has had its maiden voyage, has it? She is one well-endowed lady. I'd like to get my hands on her "ample nacelles," if you pardon the engineering parlance." - 17:40

[@RobertoOliveira-yu8zq]

Great video! I was wondering if you deal with any reverse flow combustion chambers? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how an annular reverse flow combustor would look like

[@AgentJayZ]

Have a look at a diagram for a PT6. There's lots out there. I even made a video about the flow of air in that engine. It's in one of my Questions Answered vids. Probably best to watch em all.

[@abhinavgirish1609]

@@AgentJayZ Do the Garret TFE731 have reverse flow combustion chambers too?

[@Nighthawke70]

Would using MagnaFlux testing help spot the flaws in the cans? Or is that just adding to the work?

[@shaithesm0ck]

nice star trek pointer :)

[@DScottDuncan]

Jay, It looks like you turned the test cell into a work shop! Must be a light schedule of engine runs. : < ( Interesting anyhow; thanks for another! Darren

[@DepakoteMeister]

Is there a reason you don't blast the combuster liners with a light abrasive medium instead of using a wire brush to clean them?

[@thejeshwarrchandrakaanthan7220]

great video sir , how much would it cost making these 1 can cc

[@AgentJayZ]

What do you mean 1 can cc?

[@nickrubin6884]

Great video! Could you recommend any heat resistant paint or enamel to protect the inside of the liner? Thank YOU

[@AgentJayZ]

+Nick Rubin The liners are not painted. Newer engines use ceramic thermal barrier coatings on the inside of the liners.

[@mytmousemalibu]

Im not Jay but, yes. Just about everything is now an annular design. Prolly safe to say that the "can" design is not beeing used anymore in new designs. Some are quite small. The annular combustor in a PT6A is no larger than say, a medium sized pizza.

[@johnmelling9950]

Jay, a p&w engine on a 737 caught fire at Mancgester Airport UK in the 80s killing many on board due to smoke inhalation. Its was found tha a crack in the combustor can had been repaired by welding and was to blame. Would it of been the liner or the casing? I dont understand how a crack in the liner could cause the engine to catch fire as surely the casing would contain it?

[@AgentJayZ]

The JT8-D engines have a can-annular design, but that does not matter. There is no way for combustion gases to enter the cabin, except for a fire in the nacelle severe enough to destroy the engine, and cause a break-up of the fuselage. Methinks some of your details of the scenario may be a wee bit off.

[@johnmelling9950]

@@AgentJayZ Sorry i didnt explain properly, it was late when i was replying. The AAIB report said the no 9 combustor can ruptured and ejected a piece of material which blew a hole in the fuel tank. I dont understand how this can happen?

[@johnmelling9950]

You can see the AAIB report here assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5422efe840f0b61342000277/8-1988_G-BGJL.pdf

[@chiranjividahal1187]

Thanks :) Very helpful

[@dayanandshirke7333]

Superb. What is material of flametube?

[@AgentJayZ]

Hi temp stainless steel.

[@hwknowshu1]

Star trek rules!

[@MysticalDork]

well then, it's a good thing that I didn't actually yell "FIRST!" I saw the video in my sub box, I watched the video, I commented on the video.

[@Martee234]

I have question: is there any flame stabilizers in combustion chamber or just like swirlers? Im sure that flame stabilizers are used afterburners. Please help

[@HeadinTheClouts]

I have searched through your videos and have not found the answer to this one: Do these big canisters from the Orenda engines provide any structural strength and/or rigidity to the engine or do they just sort of sit in place and let the central shaft do that job?

[@AgentJayZ]

+Jim “ThatsMrBuckaroo” they are there to contain and direct the airflow through the engine. The main shaft is there to transmit torque to the compressor. The strength and integrity of the engine is provided by the large tree-trunk like casing that the shaft passes through. Orinda calls it the backbone.

[@mefeyz]

Hey Jay Im enjoying your videos. Can you help me out to learn about DLN-2 combustors used in 6FA, 7FA and 9FA gas turbines of GE?

[@AgentJayZ]

+M.Ebrahim Feyz Never seen any of those, so no.

[@mahmoudalieldein8213]

hey Ebrahim are you Arabia i men what is your country can i help you i from Egypt

[@richwaight]

Super interesting J thanks! :)

[@66windar]

why wouldn't you sandblast in preparation for new high temp paint?

[@Fierobsessed]

Haha, I see I wasn't the first in these comments to ask this question. Should've read ahead!

[@artabest]

Do you use a NDT inspection to find the damages? or just visual check?

[@hwknowshu1]

No rigid at tacement thats nice

[@HoaNguyen-ro8tk]

i really like your video and hope i can creat this engine

[@seq165432]

OK so - you can tell I'm going way back trying to find my answer - but havent found it... Combustors - How many is enough? How many is not? I figure since you can't have a single combustor that goes all the way around - you put them about the axis. Redundancy? I guess some, huh? WHICH engine you know of has the fewest combustors on one engine??

[@kirkpennock2997]

Always wondered why jets run at all. Why does the fire not push back, what makes it push on turbine more than compressor?

[@AgentJayZ]

In my series Jet Engine Diagrams, we go over the pressures at various points through the engine.

[@henry2008kim]

I've sometimes wondered this several times.. which part of a turbojet engine receives the reaction thrust that propels the aircraft attached to it? It can't be the combustor liner because as you said it is attached in such a manner to expand and contract freely. Could it be the combustor casing that (in part) takes thrust and transmits to the rest of the engine structure? Thanks again)

[@RadioChief52]

That is an excellent question. I wish you had received the answer because that got me thinking as well. I'm no jet engine expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once. My first thought is that the load, or reaction would be shared by each of the compressor and turbine fans. If you think of each fan being independent, like a plain old floor fan, the exhaust pressure would go one way, and the reaction force would go the other way. Maybe I'm all wrong but that's what I'd say. Each and every blade of compressor and turbine would be sharing the forward push of the engine.

[@chakflying1]

Take a look at his video on Lube System might give you some insight, I believe three main ball-bearings hold the entire compressor-turbine assembly, which will transmit the force to the casing.

[@silencerstudent9381]

THRUST IS CREATED BY THE GASSES EXPANDING, THE EXHAUST GAS DOESNT REALY RELEASE ALL ITS BUILT UP ENGERGY TILL ITS LEAVING THROUGH THE TURBINES AND OUT INTO THE EXHAUST NOZZLE WHERE IT HAS A CHANCE TO FULLY EXPAND AND APPLY THRUST TO THE ENTIRE CASE OF THE ENGINE

[@William_Baxter]

They don't look strong enough, why don't they blow apart with all the pressure?

[@AgentJayZ]

The pressure differential between the inside and the outside of the combustor liner is very small. Air does move, but I would estimate the Delta P as about 10 psi or so.

[@krishnakanth3004]

why doesnt the flame travel outwards through the holes and hit the outer casing

[@AgentJayZ]

The pressure outside the liner is greater then inside. *** This is important *** The burning of fuel with the air does not increase its pressure. The volume expands greatly, and the gases rush out the essentially open path through the turbine. *** these are not piston engines ***

[@krishnakanth3004]

AgentJayZ Thank you so much for your swift reply sir !

[@clydecessna737]

Do you x-ray or eddy current parts to check for hidden imperfections?

[@AgentJayZ]

When the procedure is called for in the overhaul manual, we use it.

[@Nanotick1]

Inside this can is where 20 gal per min of fuel get burned?

[@AgentJayZ]

There are six combustors in the Orenda. So at max power, each can would be consuming 1/6 of 20 gpm. So about 3 1/3...

[@Nanotick1]

Got it. That's still is a fair amount of fuel. Thanks for clearing that up. I really enjoy these videos. Thank you Sir

[@tashfeenuk]

This cannular combustor is from which engine?

[@AgentJayZ]

There are no cannular combustors in this video. these can-type combustor liners are from the Orenda 14 turbojet.

[@sadikhodroge2125]

how much pressure combustion chamber can withstand

[@AgentJayZ]

The burning of the fuel-air mixture does not increase its pressure.

[@sadikhodroge2125]

@@AgentJayZ so what makes engine run if there is no increasing pressure

[@AgentJayZ]

Explained in hundreds of videos right here. Seen any of them? Most important thing to remember: these are not piston engines.

[@РоманПлетнев-г3э]

how the hell did you notice that crack? :D

[@hosseinhossein5827]

why is that your videos does not include subtitles

[@abdelkaderhemaizia6063]

good can you give me the dimension of this combustor plz

[@AgentJayZ]

The dimension? There are thousands. A blueprint? No.

[@mrbat0003]

You will make a great teacher at an aeronautical college! Have you thought about applying!

[@AgentJayZ]

I was a guest assistant instructor at Northern Lights College, helping Aircraft Maintenance Engineering students. It was great working with so many bright and motivated stars of the future. I actually felt safer flying after having my cynicism worn down by the experience.

[@sajjath772027848]

Why pt6 liner has small holes?

[@AgentJayZ]

+lafir mohammed sajjath sajjath Why does anything have small holes? Why does anyone have holes? What is small? What's a hole? Why?

[@jaishetty8586]

stainless steel ? Isn't it Inconel steel ?

[@davidb6576]

Inconel (rather, the "family" of Inconel alloys) is mostly nickel and chromium, with other metals (like cobalt, molybdenum, etc.) added to create the final properties. Iron (the basis for steel) is 10% or less of the final composition, so Inconel is part of the nickel-based super alloys, rather than a steel. A Wiki search will turn up much more info.