Come Follow Me - Alma 30-31: Christ & Anti-Christ

An in-depth study of Alma 30-31, recounting the preaching of Korihor and the Zoramites upon the Rameumptom. This lesson focuses on targeting the Atonement, anti-religious rhetoric, irrationality and authoritarianism, rationalizing sin, the argument from design, sign-seeking, the sense of superiority, trying the virtue of the word of God, the gifts of the Spirit, and more. Join Jared Halverson for your weekly Come Follow Me study of the Book of Mormon!
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[@sherryware]

Another insightful lesson with illustrative personal experiences (Quirky), that give his lessons comedic relief and drama. Brother Halverson is one of the most effective gospel doctrine teachers I've come across since my conversion years ago. Thank you, Brother Halverson. I know these videos take time to produce. You are so very generous with your time and your great gospel knowledge and experience. ❤

[@rusunnynow]

Oh Dear Brother, What a remarkable difference you are making in the battle of good and evil, showing/teaching and giving us specific ways to recognize the Korihor's and his teachings, in of our day. It's remarkable to see the parallels In The Book of Mormon testifying It was written for each of us. Thank You! 🙏❤

[@EagleMountainQuilting]

I don't say thank you enough for being a part of our (my husband and my) lives. We've followed you from day one and when I look back at the spiritual growth we've had since listening to you, it's profound.

[@beckyh11002]

Wow! Bro. Halverson, I love your insights -such a blessing! One of my favorite quotes by you in this lesson: “The world is living by Korihor’s playbook so we better master the playbook!”. SO TRUE!

[@kathrynquinn6889]

I appreciate your shorter lessons this year. That makes it possible for me to listen to them two or three times. That’s how I learn best. Thank you

[@tbhughesth]

Thank you so much!!! I don’t comment every time but I learn so much every time!!! Thanks for your spirit and knowledge!!!

[@zoomnpa9905]

I see why you got excited about teaching these chapters!!! I’ve never understood them this well before. Thank you!

[@richardboyer4803]

Thanks so much, Brother Halverson - one of your best for sure! So timely for our day. So relevant and applicable. Bless you in this important work. Richard Boyer, Holladay, UT

[@maryelms4821]

I am so grateful to you dear Brother for your time to share with us your knowledge. I really appreciate it. 😊

[@donnakearse2503]

You are such a great teacher. I learn so much from your lessons.

[@beckyriggs1869]

Thank You! Again and Again and Again!🥹❤️🙏

[@marcimichelson2301]

Thank you for your teaching !!!!❤❤

[@beckywright7906]

This was so beneficial to me, thank you!

[@chrismeese3666]

Thanks for your enthusiasm. This lesson really brings home how we can recognise today’s antichrists or in other words this lesson helps all to discern truth from error, right from wrong and like an X-ray or MRI allows us to see hidden things. Understanding Korihor and his philosophy helps us to make the right choices today when it is so difficult to find truth in the mass of voices coming from the media and internet.

[@stefanikehl3890]

I’ve been thinking about the enemy within! Those same ideas that Korihor promotes are my enemy within, keeping me from overcoming and prevailing! Thank you for this lesson! I will certainly be more aware!

[@Wannabecrafting247]

14:45 WOW! The lightbulb just went on. No sin, no need for the atonement, no need for Christ! But there IS right and wrong AND a need for the atonement! I knew this before, but hadn’t thought deeply about it. Thanks for your great lessons!

[@tsmithson1]

So, if there were no sin, there would be no need for Atonement, which means that the need for Atonement is necessitated and made active by sin, so why do we preach that we come unto Christ by obedience. It seems that Obedience (or the absence of sin) would negate the need for the Atonement.

[@garybrown9719]

Yes very good point for those that have fallen 😢

[@barryburton5885]

​@@tsmithson1Perfect obedience WOULD negate the need for an Atonement. How is that going for you so far? Yeah, not so well for me, either.

[@janethm4031]

Thank you brother Halverson! I learned soooo much!!

[@bhansen6210]

Love your shirt today! Such a better color for you. Thanks for your teachings - I always look forward them.

[@christianelauener8975]

You excell in understanding and explaining and thank you for all the helpful and enlightening background info - quotes, books, poems etc. - all truly magnificent

[@NicolasConnault]

I find so much contradiction in Korihor's rhetoric. He says that there is no crime, yet he accuses the clergy of taking advantage of the people. Isn't that exactly what he is promoting? Advantage through genius and might? He might just be jealous!

[@marilynjensen8096]

Such a good lesson! Thank you just doesn’t seem like enough.

[@novawarren5089]

Such a great class, Love this closer verse And then we get this whole group of Zoramites Mixture pot and sad Like today, some people who I have met in my own life... 1:09:46

[@carverwickman5142]

Fantastic lesson!

[@dennisharper6546]

Do you know that sometimes you teach a principle and or doctrine without ever coming out and saying it? I find that often questions are answered and connections made that are subtext. Thank you!

[@alabamabandofbrotherscampb8777]

Great lesson 👍

[@pwpstallings]

I am so grateful for Brother Halverson's wonderful podcasts and have been watching them since he started posting. I love the insights and testimony. I just wanted to say I am bothered by the Faith Matters message at the end saying you are a "Proud" member of the Faith Matters family. I don't see Br Halverson as "Proud" more humble and sincere. I think they could use a better descriptor as we are taught to not be Proud or Prideful. Thanks.

[@MsCDorsey]

I think that Brother Halverson has the same kind of "pride" as Ammon did in Alma 26. He, as do other members of the Faith Matters family, does not "boast in [his] own strength nor in [his] own wisdom, but behold. . . [he] will rejoice in [his] God."

[@shawnbrigance3993]

Thank you

[@La13Ka41]

❤❤❤

[@phyllisaycock1880]

I know you cannot know, but you don't know that you know! Oh my gosh, that is hilarious!😂😅 What a contradiction!❤

[@NicolasConnault]

The Rameumpton prayer is exactly what I'd imagine Satan would instruct his followers to offer up in prayer to him. He, after all, will be a spirit forever.

[@tsmithson1]

And their prayer is often a close cousin to prayers I have heard given in LDS settings. I think the the story of the Zoramites, similar to the Pharisees of Jesus' time, serve as more than props to be made fun of and suggest we are miles away from them. They are the cautionary tales of how ALL human interactions tend to devolve. Our LDS culture has a lot of corollaries to those ancient stories. Let's not be to quick to simply pat ourselves on the back for us not being like them.

[@NicolasConnault]

@@tsmithson1 oh I agree with you 100%!

[@generalpatton838]

This reminds me of "Natural Selection", an evil doctrine that Eric Harris (the architect of the Columbine massacre) fell in love with from the movie "Natural Born Killers". He said that Natural Selection was the best thing that ever happened. Survival of the fittest. Definitely a Korihor teaching.

[@NicolasConnault]

@@generalpatton838 natural selection is not a doctrine, it's a description of how species evolve over time. There's nothing evil about it, and it's extremely well-supported by research and most of our prophets and apostles, if not all.

[@generalpatton838]

@@NicolasConnault wasn't Charles Darwin named as an anti-Christ by past prophets?

[@NicolasConnault]

@@generalpatton838 not officially, and definitely not by most. The church's official position on evolution has always been neutral. This is very clearly documented.

[@generalpatton838]

@@NicolasConnault disagree

[@NicolasConnault]

@@generalpatton838 what specifically do you disagree with, and why?

[@kristenterry4136]

I don't know if anyone has asked this, but where can I find that picture of Christ in the background? Looks like it's from the Chosen and I want that exact print!!! Thank you for all your work. I am a family- party of 1 and the only active member in my family of origin so I don't have anyone to study with. Your style is so interactive and personable that I feel like I'm studying with you and when you ask things like "is this making sense?" I find myself answering outloud unconsciously because it feels like you're right there lol Thanks for being my study buddy!!

[@kp6553]

I agree!

[@benandjame]

I totally get this! Such an interactive way to study, even on my own!!

[@Bachstelze312]

15 : 47: "All we have is this life (...)." Sehr schön herausgearbeitet / auf den Punkt gebracht! Erinnert an die Figur des Franz aus Schillers Räubern. (Friedrich Schiller, 1759-1805; "Die Räuber", UA: 1782) (Und dieser Franz - mit seiner Philosophie - an das `enfant terrible´ Marquis de Sade.) Sehr gut auch den Bogen zum Sozialdarwinismus gespannt.

[@toddchurch5051]

I wonder if Korihor came from the Zoramites because of how similar their beliefs were. Just a thought. Thank you for your lessons. I appreciate how you apply it to our day.

[@hannahdavid3279]

Korihor's whole theory is a crock. By what means did the creature gain prosperity and by what manipulation did a creature gain strength , therefore there very well is a crime if the answer is what we all believe a con man's coneiving explanation of "no crime" And no atonement how would we ever know the righteousness expected by God to return to HIm?

[@Nassaldromus]

Not all antichrists use anger or mockery. Sometimes, they portray "charity" in the sense that they want to "save us" from the error of our ways.

[@kimberlytousley3450]

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[@jennyahlstrom3609]

Do you have a link to the book you referenced - The History of Doubt?

[@smuir6104]

I haven't watched for a while, but I swear you look younger!

[@Jay-oi8qi]

Think I have asked this on a previous video but does anyone know what those books are on the bottom left of the shelf? Are they scriptures or something else? Great lesson as always Bro Halverson 🙏🏻

[@MsCDorsey]

I couldn't find the quote that you said might be from Goethe: Reality divided by reason leaves a remainder. Can you give us a source?

[@mercedesgravenstreter2388]

I too, would love a source for the Goethe quote! Any leads?

[@jamesgardner381]

Who is the author of the book “The History of Doubt” you said you were reading?

[@babx1]

hey there mister ❤😉

[@user-ni1sz4em7b]

yes im talking to myself again. but I was told a few times many years ago. its after someone fool's me one, two, and on the 3rd is shame on (myself)/(yourself)

[@tax-free-strategies]

Hey Brother Halverson, I sent you an email to your BYU email... subject JST BOOK question [Please respond] look forward to hearing back from you... I hope that you are enjoying the JST New Testament...

[@wtaylordurrant]

It is critical that we know our enemy and his followers without giving in to his manipulation and persuasion.

[@tsmithson1]

While it seemed clever to ask a person who brought a pre-prepared list of doubts with if "they are their questions), it occurred to me that that is literally the dumbest thing you could ask them. Of course, their questions or doubts are not original to them, NEITHER are your beliefs. YOU inherited your beliefs or learned them from someone else, does that mean you shouldn't claim them? If I'm buying a product that I know very little about and I bring a pre-prepared list of other peoples questions about that product and the person tells me they aren't valid because they are yours originally, that would be my que to never buy anything from that person. Answer the persons questions, and do it honestly, and stop dismissing them because they learned them from a third party.

[@MsCDorsey]

Honest answers to those questions won't help the seeker if they haven't put any thought into them. If they have, it's a different matter.

[@tsmithson1]

@@MsCDorsey Fair enough and I agree with your comment, however, for a religious tradition whose members have put about as much thought into what they believe as to what they don't believe, I would err on the side of entertaining their questions as legitimate. When you teach 6 year olds to go to the pulpit and rattle off a litany of "I know" statements, which there is no way they are doing anything other than borrowing those beliefs, I think it's understandable why so many today, with ease of information, now find themselves entertaining questions they have been told to ask. After all, the culture largely rewards the those willing to speak the words they have been told to say.

[@tsmithson1]

@@MsCDorsey When someone grows up hearing the 1838 version of the "First Vision" and then finds out there are 3 other versions, all of which are earlier, with 1838 being the version farthest away from the date of said vision, I think it's fair to have an honest conversation. Additionally, there are literally ZERO accounts of Josephs first vision or any record of it before 1832, which is 2 years after the church was organized. The 1832 version says he saw 1 being, and only the 1838 says he saw 2 beings. I can accept that Joseph had a real experience with God, but as to the facts of that incident, they appear to be up for serious debate. This is just one among many, many serious historical issues the church has with its truth claims. Does it change that its the place I have chosen to experience God? No! And then the church asks all its members to kneel down and ask God essentially, which one of the 4 versions of Josephs "First Vision" are correct. I'm not sure the purpose of spiritual experience is to testify of disparate facts. I'm not sure that factual information has much at all to do with experiencing God, and attempting to make it about facts only complicates the matter.