What Makes a Supervillain? ft. Bardic Broadcasts - Elseworlds Exchange

[@BardicBroadcasts]

Ahh, 'twas a grand conversation. I have reflected on it often and revised my thoughts on many of the ideas raised. It also forced me to challenge key assumptions and revise those too. For example can Conan be termed a kind of super hero? My answer has for a long time been a flat no, but on reflection I think a case might be made for it. It certainly bears further consideration!

[@comicpop]

You've gotta read the new Conan comic! It might change your perception ;)

[@VarangianVigilante]

@@comicpop also read the great Conan / Wonder Woman Crossover!

[@BardicBroadcasts]

@@VarangianVigilante Conan and Wonder Woman, eh? Sounds great. I really liked the old Wolverine crossover I read.

[@VarangianVigilante]

@@BardicBroadcasts It's one of the best crossovers, Simone crafted a compelling and well tailored story for both characters.

[@erikodinson9288]

I suggest you read the what if with Conan and Captain America it's an amazing read

[@LH_ore]

The rambling about werewolves, vampires and Batman is one of my favorite moments in the elseworld exchange.

[@jasonweaver1085]

Me too

[@empireartist4793]

Man Bard always sounds like a mythical wizard to me.

[@ItsMattYoung]

That guy's voice! He needs to narrate everything.

[@goblinbaitgaming]

I would love to see a maybe once a month podcast with Mr. Bard called What Makes A... where you take a magnifying glass to some part of geekdom and then just ramble on a topic for an hour or so. What Makes A good horror movie?

[@bacsilva]

Yes

[@seaner42]

Would really love this

[@justinveenstra9388]

Please! I seem to only have the patience to watch these when there’s a guest host. The usual one (Joel) tends to get under my skin. Too flip flop on opinions based on what Sal thinks for my tastes.

[@NilFox]

Vegeta has a wife and two children to protect, his character has progressed and Goku isn't his only focus any more. You stopped at Frieza so I get why you don't know. Goku will always be the rival who he respects and pushes him to be better than he was. But his time on earth and new family has helped smooth out his more rough edges.

[@Radvengence]

My knowledge of Dragonball is admittedly spotty, but I watched a few episodes of Super a while ago (it was on TV) ... and Vegeta taught some kid how to go Super Saiyan. That's not something Vegeta would've done in DBZ. Guy's come a long way character-wise.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

I am always up for people calling Dragon Ball out on its sh**. Especially if it's the Bard.His voice is sooooooo dreamy...

[@simoncorbishley5588]

To paraphrase the "mehamind" film ... What elevates a villain to a super villain?..... PRESENTATION!

[@carlosguillermo566]

Listening to the Bard analyze fiction is like ambrosia, or mead, for the ears and the mind. I hope that there'll be more podcasts with him.

[@michaelbarletta1024]

I love it when the Bard comes on. You two have such interesting conversations, digging really deeply on what seems like such a simple concept!

[@michaelthethird702]

WOW. Bard is so right about the Marvel movies. Almost all their villains are the mirror of the hero and meet the hero face to face. I never thought about it. I think the only example is Zemo in Civil War, but he's in the background and the majority of the movie is the fighting between the heroes. Very interesting

[@FifthHorseman23]

I'm always excited to listen to you two discuss fiction. You both seem so well read and knowledgeable and it's so interesting to hear your opinions. Please do this again sometime soon.

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

52:49 Lex Luthor stole fourty cakes, thats as many as four tens And thats terrible!

[@GitShiddy]

Well this is just a conversation between two people that just haven't talked in a while & I dig it. I really appreciate the Bard pointing out how DC doesn't need to establish their Universe/characters in films. I've been pitching that to people for a long while because you have characters that have existed for 80 years and have had a stake in the cultural zeitgeist for 30+ years. Marvel had that with Spider-Man & the X-Men, which Marvel Studios didn't own, so they needed to establish their Universe. It's why for me the first sign that DC Films have corrected themselves is the "Hey Aquaman! Can we get a selfie?" scene. Then there's all the merchandising in the Shazam trailers, it's a lived in thing akin to what's called "Dirty Space" in Sci-Fi and I really appreciate how that makes the films feel. Also just have to call out the irony of Sal mentioning John Carpenter's great scores, name dropping The Thing, then talking about Ennio Morricone and both missing that The Thing was scored by Morricone. The first (and I think only) Carpenter film not scored by Carpenter himself.

[@irishtartan9233]

Great conversation, Sal. Always love seeing you and the Bard sharing opinions based on your different approaches and backgrounds.

[@wk3820]

Great villains need pathos. The reader should identify with the villain up to a point. Luthor after be discovered his sister and began protecting her or Dr. Doom trying to overcome humble beginnings, for example.

[@yolanda8563]

Sidney from the scream series is kind of an arch hero to the various Ghostface's as a result of being the final girl in the first one.

[@TheGreatBlueBlob]

Thank you Comicpop. You reward us as always with content .

[@MrFtpforlife]

Troll was awesome. In fact that Thunderbolts run was one of the best runs

[@jonfrombuckland_3784]

I already cannot wait for The Bard to come back. I'm gonna rewatch his other two Elseworlds right now

[@Radvengence]

Having the Bard on to discuss the BARBARIAN!! is such an obvious Elseworlds Exchange episode I'm amazed it hasn't happened yet!

[@Azmodeus87]

I have really started to dislike the "The hero causes villains" argument. Way to often it's a meta-observation that people take at face value, which kinda derails both conversations. In-universe, it's a crap shoot of weather the hero or the villain causes the other. For instance, in the films, both Cap. America & Batman comes to fruition in response to a greater threat. And in the comics, a lot of villains precedes the hero. Many of Thor's villains, for instance, are much older then him (by a wide margin). And then of course, there's many instances where the hero and villain comes about independent of each other, and only later clashes.

[@bretwaldacase]

I am a big Conan fan and my first experience with Conan was the animated series and I still think it is amazing. One of the few series to have an actual ending and as a kid, honestly you don't even notice he is only tapping the baddies because your mind fills in the blanks. And the supporting villains are really good with decent back stories. His driven by avenging his family too...so I just feel there is alot of good Conan content in the series.

[@dead0ntime]

Wow that was a hell of an elseworlds exchange! I could tell you two could talk forever. I mean same goes for you and Joel but this episode seemed longer than the others. You covered a lot! It was very enjoyable and informative

[@bAd12cheZ]

The Bard is back! *CRACK ON*

[@matthewnash8556]

Is it just me or is Sal's audio glitch out every now and then by switching speakers and very loud for just a second or so? Ive been having some computer issues, im not trying to complain. Love the video as usual!

[@comicpop]

It's us.

[@matthewnash8556]

@@comicpop oh okay thanks alot!

[@samprastherabbit]

Heh, thought I was going nuts too.

[@comicsmisexplained]

I still buy VHS horror films because the grainy quality leads more to the imagination. I too am not a fan of Rob Zombie films. My favorite of his was Lords Of Salem, which is arguably the least favored by his fans. Much love for Morricone and Carpenter compositions and Italian films like Suspiria. Great discussion guys. Hope you do this again soon!

[@jonfedien8637]

I've said it once and I'll say it again whenever the bard shows up I know I'm in for a good time! As for defining a super villain for me it boils down to gimmick, to be a true super villain you need to have a defining gimmick or motive that supercedes everything almost an obsession that in some way correlates to the hero either directly on opposition or through some means tied in to the heroes journey, it's the difference between deadshot who's becomes obsessive when he misses a shot and deathstroke who is ultimately just about business!

[@lukeroberts8473]

Every time I hear the bard I can’t help to think of “Thundarr the Barbarian” and “The Herculodies” from Hannah Barbara

[@Kantohammer]

What you’re looking for is more in Dragon Ball before the Z was attached.

[@dead0ntime]

That idea for a Flash film sounds pretty cool

[@prestonyates8003]

Bardic is a damn good ventriloquist.

[@VarangianVigilante]

Ennio Morricone did also the incredible soundtrack to one of the best Comic Book movies of all time in which the villain is the protagonist: "Danger: Diabolik", directed by the great and sadly late Mario Bava.

[@uzzab6937]

Oi mate I threw it 10 seconds ago lol

[@dlvnmedia]

I love his channel for his Games Workshop reviews - which are great in my honest opinion.Now Horus Lupercal now there is a super villain

[@robertj7993]

Finally! Thank you for doing my request from some time ago.

[@tfg5240]

Two hour episode, yes please

[@michaelbarletta1024]

In terms of dragon ball, more recently they have been exploring the idea of having to challenge the heroes in ways that aren’t just using more powerful characters. Eventually they do get to that point but it doesn’t start out that way. Goku has also had to use more tactical skills lately. I love dragon ball but I acknowledge it’s redundancy and tropes and especially when it is not telling stories in a proper manner.

[@ijl007]

fantastic episode i even went back and watched the superheroes one before starting P.S. now i want that Spawn conversation

[@architeuthis3476]

Deathsalker? Oh god. I love how Monique Gabrielle is simultaneously the best and worst part of that movie!

[@oatmat]

Your a good man Sal

[@kevinalford]

Very enjoyable video. I hope you've fixed the audio problems that seem pretty consistent in your stuff.

[@winfordlee7151]

Yo the Bard is back!

[@JimmiMiller1]

Each time I hear Bardic broadcasts say “Power” all I hear is Palpatine :/:/ lol

[@samprastherabbit]

The Bard returns! Again! Truly the omens are good and perchance he will make another secret stream on twitch:-D

[@BardicBroadcasts]

Aye!

[@samprastherabbit]

@@BardicBroadcasts Huzzah!

[@TevyaSmolka]

great discussion Sal :)

[@marlonreynolds5422]

Thundarr the Barbarian was the best Conan cartoon.

[@michaelbarletta1024]

Next time you should do anti-hero to complete the trilogy!

[@framerofworlds9984]

Ares was Wonderwoman's original villain.

[@tbowne05]

Hey guys what happened to the recent video about Heroes in Crisis? I only caught the talk end of the stream and wanted to watch the whole thing.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

L e g e n d a r y

[@TevyaSmolka]

ooh awesome :)

[@itsreallyme2706]

Would International Rescue be superheroes and the Hood a supervillain in the Thunderbirds show either the original or the 2015 series?

[@ThePandaSupreme]

Captain cold as the flash villain for the movie

[@pebblebrookbooks4852]

I wonder is there a "Bond villain" archetype, too?

[@comicsmisexplained]

FirstHalfMoon 1734 I would argue maybe 006 the villain in GoldenEye 🤔 have to think about it

[@robertcorr6971]

Do the Friday the 13th episode I'd really like to hear Bard's view on the genre.

[@ineptgamer3814]

Cool show..!

[@Htownblokhedz]

When did Alan Moore change his name?

[@mybandishighvoltage]

I agree wholeheartedly about Cannibal Holocaust. The movie is very interesting, and I really love the opening theme song, but I cannot watch it again. I believe the film is worth watching at least once, but be warned that it is not for the faint of heart. Flower of Flesh and Blood is a film I don't think is really worth watching unless you are a huge gore fanatic, but it is very poetic in a very twisted sense. Personally, I like Hideshi Hino's other Guinea Pig film better. I feel Mermaid in a Manhole has a more interesting story, but again, it is pretty graphic. I am glad that I have seen these films, but I don't really have the stomach for them anymore.

[@jasonweaver1085]

Wat made u sick

[@mybandishighvoltage]

@@jasonweaver1085 I can't stand that real animals were killed for Cannibal Holocaust. As for the other two, and gory films in general, I can't really say for sure. I got really bored with horror films, so stopped watching them for quite a while and got more into sci-fi. I can still watch gory films, but I'm not really interested in them for the sake of gore. My favorite horror films are ones that have interesting concepts and/or great story building.

[@Sykdude]

BROWDSOOD!

[@kingether4486]

If you watch on KZbin how a Street Fighter killed a god to make sure the KZbinr gets views I wont spoil anything except what the player of the street thug said after math. "There was no way I could defeat him in hand to hand conflict even if I won it would accomplish nothing I needed to kill his Image to the general public." I personally find super villains who follow this mentality better than ones who are toe to toe strong against the hero.

[@the_rose_garden01]

Presentation

[@pebblebrookbooks4852]

Thor is a god, not a superhero. But his friends from work are superheroes!

[@BardicBroadcasts]

I don't know all the details, but the version of Marvel's Thor that I recall best certainly fits the super-hero bill; secret identity and all. It was the 1960's version, though, I have no idea as to its relevancy.

[@Chatedh]

Is J Jonah Jameson a super villain?

[@deazy6453]

I'm not gonna get into it, but there os MUCH more to DB than powerups. It defininitely has its flaws and it has yptten superficial over the years bwcausr MONEY (dbs), but DB is one of those stories yoh kinda gotta start fron the beginning to get the significance in DabZ . Goku dgrows basocally non in DBZ aftwr Frieza beaidea power, true, but of Goku is your favorite character, then youre likely a horrible father, so...

[@skitzomoney9806]

99.1 k subs

[@tylerzimmerman757]

Clarifications from a Dragon Ball fan: there is a stand alone movie with a character vastly weaker than Goku called The World's Strongest when the villain's plan is to steal Goku's body. Goku dies during the Cell saga and Vegeta becomes more focused on training and his family (Bulma and Trunks). When Goku is allowed a day on Earth, Vegeta lets himself be controlled by a wizard named Babidi so that he revert back to his old self and challenge Goku. Their power unleashes a monster and Vegeta soon regrets his decision. Vegeta sacrifices himself in order to destroy the monster to no avail. Later in the arc, Vegeta recognizes Goku as being superior. Vegeta still has a competitive streak with Goku but nowhere near as intense as before. Goku and Vegeta have learned to fight together in Dragon Ball Super. Vegeta sets aside his pride when there's no other option. Because of Vegeta's downfalls and character development, he's many Dragon Ball fans favorite characters. And yes, Goku's main goal is to become more powerful, but his greatest character moment in the series is pushing his son Gohan to become the new hero. Gohan in the Cell Saga is the first character to become a Super Saiyan 2. It's the only time Gohan defeats the big villain. That status quo isn't upheld however. Hopefully you're not annoyed by this comment but I had to write it as someone who loves Dragon Ball. It is more than just my power beats your power. You probably didn't know it started out as an adventure comedy and doesn't start focusing on power until King Piccolo is a threat.

[@nerdking1019]

Goku was not written to be a superhero. He’s selfish and self centered. Goku likes fighting. It’s in his blood. Goku does care about people. He will protect his friends and family. But he will also let Frezza power up to 100% because he WANTS to fight him at full power. He enjoys fighting and wants to fight the strongest guys. He’s certainly not an interesting characters. Dragon Ball’s interesting characters are guys like Gohan, Future Trunks, and so on. Goku is written in a way that allows them easily keep telling stories. Because in Jump Manga unlike in comics time passes. Dragon Ball starts with Goku being 13 or so. Now he’s a grandfather who babysits his baby granddaughter. What most Jump manga writers due now is give characters goals or dreams that require fighting. For example in Naruto. Naruto wants to become Hokage. The Hokage is the leader of his village. There also the strongest person and the one to protect the village and its people. Naruto’s goal requires constant fighting. The struggle is what is right. Should Naruto forgive this person? What does it mean to be Hokage? Can he save his best friend? The same can be said for One Piece. Luffy wants to be the king of the pirates. To do this he must sail to the end of the sea known as the grand line and find the One Piece. Issue is the sea is filled wit strong people also after the One Piece. Luffy wants to protect his crew so he must fight and get stronger to do so. This is what most series do now. Give there main characters goals that can keep the story going for a really long time even if time passes in the story

[@joaquinjfernandez1528]

I hated iron man 3 because of that twist, clickbait the movie

[@alishaherwin9440]

I do not agree at all with your first point. A Supervillain is not defined by the Superhero they oppose. This completely ignores the "super" portion of the word "supervillain". To me a supervillain is anyone that a normal everyday hero ( a policeman, firefighter, the postman) could not defeat or challenge. There "super" because they do villainy better than humanly possible. Compare the Joker to a real word serial killer. A serial killer could only threaten one or two people at a time but the Joker can hold the entire city of Gotham hostage with the police, your everyday heroes, powerless to stop him. The same also applies to superheroes, they do heroics that average heros just can't; like when Hercules cleaned out the horse stables filled with horse dung that would have taken a lifetime for the average man.

[@SophiaSanders61]

Batman is not a super hero, but a regular old hero.

[@ThePandaSupreme]

Greg Sanders nah he’s a superhero for sure

[@alishaherwin9440]

A policeman is a regular hero, Batman outdoes the entire GCPD constantly. That's what makes him SUPER heroic.

[@jepsmcsmackin2507]

I’m the 1000th view