Batman versus Judge Dredd!

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@MercysLittleShoww
@MercysLittleShoww 7 жыл бұрын
The problem with Sylvester Stallone's Judge Dredd movie is that he took off his helmet and they gave him a love interest. Both of those things should never happen
@Thetazord
@Thetazord 7 жыл бұрын
Mercy's Little Show given that point and the lack of Anderson in the Stallone Dredd, how is that version more like the comic than the new one. I feel it's the opposite. Though I'm not as huge of a Judge Dredd pool of knowledge as I am about other comic characters. So, that comment they made kinda made me do a metaphorical double take.
@ineptgamer3814
@ineptgamer3814 6 жыл бұрын
Wasn't it Judge Hershey in the Stallone version..? Also, the other difference from the comics is the flying Lawmaster.
@ULYSSES-31
@ULYSSES-31 5 жыл бұрын
@@ineptgamer3814 There are flying Lawmasters in the comic.
@shadowanderson2004
@shadowanderson2004 Жыл бұрын
So the halo show
@JuanseBea
@JuanseBea 7 жыл бұрын
Tiff: "It's more fantasy?" Sal: "It's more what the fuck" My new favorite moment right up there with Salan Moore
@BardicBroadcasts
@BardicBroadcasts 7 жыл бұрын
Hail! The Bard reporting in! A grand showing! The events of these crossovers might be alternate universe/elsewordlsy stuff as far as Batman is concerned but they are 100% canonical in the Dredd comics. Indeed, the next time the Dark Judges all got back together, references were made to 'that Gotham clown'. Also, Dredd and Anderson never had a 'thing'. I reacted exactly as you predicted. In fact, Dredd has never had a thing with anyone - it's illegal for a Judge to do so. The judges of MC1 live like monks. no personal lives or concerns outside of the Law. Andersen though... well maybe. PSI judges have quite a bit of leniency because of the pressure their powers place them under. One of them is even religious! I always have a laugh when people realise Dredd isn't strict science fiction and that there are ghosts and wizards and the like. Maybe one day I'll tell you about one of Dredd's other arch-foes, the giant tyrannosaur, Satanus!
@ineptgamer3814
@ineptgamer3814 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, seems like parodying America in any way confuses them. They really don't understand Judge Dredd at all.
@galvatron3323
@galvatron3323 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with all the above!
@galvatron3323
@galvatron3323 4 жыл бұрын
@@ineptgamer3814 There is no 'America' in Dredds time. Thats what they dont get i think
@NovastarDoughnut
@NovastarDoughnut 2 жыл бұрын
The satire of judge death is so funny to me because his logic is "100% of crime is caused by the living... soooo all life should be a crime"
@Venoxisguides
@Venoxisguides 4 жыл бұрын
Having Joker become a dark judge is one of the coolest concepts I've seen in a comic book.
@danieldollman9769
@danieldollman9769 7 жыл бұрын
Dredd's only mistress is the LAW!
@comixproviderftw_02
@comixproviderftw_02 7 жыл бұрын
In Sal's mind is like: "THERE! We finally did an episode of Back Issues on this crossover people keep sending me! Is that it? Is that all you wanted see, YOU BASTARDS!?"
@AnnoBathory
@AnnoBathory 7 жыл бұрын
Judge Death and Nekron should get a drink sometime
@nolantis2372
@nolantis2372 7 жыл бұрын
I don't want to be a troll but... #makeopethdeathmetalagain
@Iscafplays
@Iscafplays 7 жыл бұрын
Batmans got some crazy arm blades going on in that picture.
@MugenNiFukuzatsuna
@MugenNiFukuzatsuna 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, FINALLY this channel is getting what it deserves. THE LAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!
@sombrashadow0013
@sombrashadow0013 7 жыл бұрын
SomeFriendlessBastard I AM THE LAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!
@hectordubon3487
@hectordubon3487 7 жыл бұрын
LLLLLAAAWWWWW!!!!!!
@ineptgamer3814
@ineptgamer3814 6 жыл бұрын
Haha strange, in the previous video on this list Sal said the next Back Issues would be on Thor. I think KZbin is displaying them all in the wrong order.
@aaronroberts7720
@aaronroberts7720 5 жыл бұрын
The lawn?
@oatmat
@oatmat 7 жыл бұрын
Tiff's Jacket is pretty baller
@bhunt372
@bhunt372 7 жыл бұрын
Ballers Season 3! (TWP Reference)
@francozambrano4980
@francozambrano4980 4 жыл бұрын
someone else notice how judge death looks uncanny similar to the baatman who loughts.
@sorcerer8032
@sorcerer8032 7 жыл бұрын
For anyone who doesn't know judge dread is a political satire so the stories may be kind of strange. It takes place in an alt future but constantly makes references to modern events, celebrities and political happenings. Dredd is a guy who follows the law to the extreme, his organization is very fascist. They keep order but trample personal freedoms and anything that doesn't obey them is destroyed /killed. After someone dies in this world the body is taken broken down and the proteins used to make food ( an example of the weirdness)
@Deadpoolio47
@Deadpoolio47 7 жыл бұрын
You guys help me get through the rest of the week.
@konstantinakiros8579
@konstantinakiros8579 7 жыл бұрын
FrenchFri47 They certainly do and thank the heavens for that
@liverusrock6789
@liverusrock6789 7 жыл бұрын
Have Greg Capullo draw a new Judge Dredd Batman crossover and you got a lot of money in there.
@MrAnimefan79
@MrAnimefan79 5 жыл бұрын
Live To Rock That would be awesome!
@benjaminloudly
@benjaminloudly 3 жыл бұрын
Four years too late but that's one of the best ideas I've heard in a while.
@JoshMunroe
@JoshMunroe 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact (33:21): Carl Critchlow is a prolific artist for Magic: The Gathering with over 200 cards that feature his art.
@Grievousish
@Grievousish 7 жыл бұрын
Woo! THE LAW has come to ComicPOP! This episode's going in the favourites list for sure.
@brandonwillis9267
@brandonwillis9267 7 жыл бұрын
Tiffany looks like a cooler version of The Scarlet Witch.
@TheRealZubes
@TheRealZubes 7 жыл бұрын
brandon willis thank you!
@ineptgamer3814
@ineptgamer3814 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Tiffany, in "TheRealZubes" what is a "Zube"..? There's a lot of words online that I really don't understand, but I'm curious. For instance, the word "Fam" gets used quite a lot at the moment. Don't get it.
@galvatronus1139
@galvatronus1139 7 жыл бұрын
This was a lot of fun to watch, just like all the rest of Back Issues. I love this channel. It's led me to get more into comics. I love looking forward to Back Issues every week. Dear ComicPOP crew, keep on being awesome.
@Darkdragon902.
@Darkdragon902. 7 жыл бұрын
Throughout this when Sal said "Mean Machine", I kept hearing "Meme Machine".
@krishna7404
@krishna7404 7 жыл бұрын
Darkdragon902 I read this comment mid-way watching the video. Can't unhear now.
@magnumcornetto
@magnumcornetto 5 жыл бұрын
I think a big reason that the Batman and Judge Dredd crossovers happened, was because Alan Grant, a very prolific writer for 2000 AD, was writing most Batman titles (and Lobo, and Legion, and Etrigan "The Demon") for DC during the 90s.
@nx_01
@nx_01 7 жыл бұрын
A Judge Dredd & Green Lantern crossover. With the villains being Judge Death & Nekron, Black Hand, & an army of Black Lanterns. Just putting it out there.
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 7 жыл бұрын
Everyone's frowning is on point! Makes my frown frown at its lack of ability to frown.
@MrNewguy456
@MrNewguy456 7 жыл бұрын
When I was about 11 years old I got this book out from my local library. IT BLEW MY LITTLE MIND!!!
@MercysLittleShoww
@MercysLittleShoww 7 жыл бұрын
Judge Anderson, in my experience, is always the reasonable one. Another reason why Judge Dredd is amazing. I love that whole universe
@mattmccann1850
@mattmccann1850 3 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how much judge death looks like the batman who laughs lmao
@LtDragonfruit
@LtDragonfruit 7 жыл бұрын
As a Brit, it's not so much "a real superhero in a 2000ad comic" it's more like "one of the characters this comic was made to mock is in this book... Ha"
@kristiannesheim6616
@kristiannesheim6616 7 жыл бұрын
I noticed the pile up of judge dread from the letters pages. Happy we finally get to see your take on THE LAW.
@ABenAbides
@ABenAbides 7 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness! This was one of the first comics I found when I discovered my dad's comic book collection as a kid... totally went over my head haha. It's funny watching this and remembering these images, but actually being able to follow the story now.
@ItsOver9000Productions
@ItsOver9000Productions 7 жыл бұрын
Jesus, how many people has batman crossed over with?
@comicpop
@comicpop 7 жыл бұрын
EVERYONE
@ThatKevinBravo
@ThatKevinBravo 7 жыл бұрын
It's Over 9000 Productions There si probably a Calvin and Hobbes crossover written by Alan Moore that nobody knows
@ItsOver9000Productions
@ItsOver9000Productions 7 жыл бұрын
Kevin Bravo that sounds glorious.
@TheTheDontae
@TheTheDontae 7 жыл бұрын
It's Over 9000 Productions more important question how many are actually good...
@konstantinakiros8579
@konstantinakiros8579 7 жыл бұрын
It's Over 9000 Productions One of the weirdest (to me anyways) was BATMAN & TARZAN
@jykvox869
@jykvox869 7 жыл бұрын
I was impressed when she said "Stegron?" and he said "No, he's Marvel." right off the top. Stegron is a deep-cut. Knowing that, without a search (I knew it too.), is decently cred-establishing.
@TheBreadcrab
@TheBreadcrab 7 жыл бұрын
I will never get tired of hearing Sal sarcastically saying "LOL!"
@Unknowmn45054
@Unknowmn45054 7 жыл бұрын
It's 2 am and I almost woke my family up laughing when Sal did the stupid "YEAH" that Kevin Flynn does 😂😂 Thank you so much!
@frisbeejames
@frisbeejames 6 жыл бұрын
Totally just reread "the ultimate riddle" because of this. Didn't realize Alan Grant wrote it until tonight but best gift from my aunt ever.
@BuncleRuntz
@BuncleRuntz 7 жыл бұрын
Gotta do Judge Dredd vs Aliens now. The best crossover in Dredd's history.
@galvatron3323
@galvatron3323 4 жыл бұрын
I think over the last 4 years this has to be one of my most rewatched Back Issue's.
@flywheelshyster
@flywheelshyster 5 жыл бұрын
i don't know if its considered good, bad or ugly but the cover image you used in the background looks absolutely killer to me. I'd actually say that its one of my favorite renditions of batman, just looks dope. rewatching this makes me want to scavenge comixology for some Dredd books but i wouldn't know where to start with that crazy!
@ItsOver9000Productions
@ItsOver9000Productions 7 жыл бұрын
Ok, is Tiffany cosplaying as something? Because if not, that's some fucking awesome wardrobe.
@TheRealZubes
@TheRealZubes 7 жыл бұрын
It's Over 9000 Productions I am not cosplaying as anything, so thank you!
@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193
@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193 7 жыл бұрын
TheRealZubes enjoying the compliments😂
@konstantinakiros8579
@konstantinakiros8579 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Judge Dredd ROCKS so hard. I loved Dredd as a kid and these crazy crossovers were pretty cool. I loved the one with bad ass Simon Bisley art. Sal, now that Dredd has made his appearance in BACKISSUES, can we get an episode of that incredible Kevin Nowlan book that was a precursor to THE BOYS? You know what I'm talking about. ..................... MARSHALL LAW!!!! Ethan, Tiff, and Ben (along with the POPulation) would get a real kick out of that gem, methinks. Another great episode, guys!
@Keyxei
@Keyxei 7 жыл бұрын
this has to be some of the coolest art I have ever seen.
@simonstoten4819
@simonstoten4819 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t try to understand Dread, unless you lived thru Thatcher/Ragan era of history Dread is hard to thathom
@kidkunjer
@kidkunjer 7 жыл бұрын
your ideas about how British comic fans would view the pairing is funny! It never even occurred to me that you guys in the US wouldn't know Dredd; to me, he's about as famous as batman or superman XD grew up reading 2000ad megazine and dc and marvel and didn't see much difference. I didn't even realise that dredd was a UK only thing till I watched your show XD it's sort of like thanksgiving: Americans I've met asked me what I'm doing for thanksgiving and I'm like wtf is thanksgiving?! XD
@tomthumb1457
@tomthumb1457 6 жыл бұрын
The good old days with the preacher feature at the back.
@aidenjgray
@aidenjgray 7 жыл бұрын
I love Back Issues, especially the crossover ones!
@EhNoLove
@EhNoLove 7 жыл бұрын
I think this Back Issues tops as my new favorite episode! Thanks!
@DoctorDodge
@DoctorDodge 7 жыл бұрын
Your analysis of the first Dredd/Batman crossover pretty much matched my reaction when I first read it. Especially the surprise at Dredd being such a complete and total fascist. After only seeing the Stallone film, I was really shocked by how much more of a total and uncompromising bastard he really was in the comics. It was essentially what made me a fan for life. It was just so refreshing to have a protagonist you could loathe as much as love. It was like watching a Star Wars movie where Darth Vader was the lead protagonist.
@DoctorDodge
@DoctorDodge 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dan200 yeah, a lot. The Cursed Earth, Necropolis, Origins, and many of the case files that collect the early comics. But what really blew me away was America. That’s honestly one of my favourite graphic novels of all time. I love how Dredd is barely used in the story, but he and the judges have such terrifying presence throughout. And it’s a very emotional and human story, too. Over the years, I’ve seen Dredd be a hero as much of a villain, but I’ve also seen him evolve into a very complex character.
@metalliopleurodon
@metalliopleurodon 7 жыл бұрын
This reminds me... Can we have The Bard in Elseworlds Exchange again?
@frankspick7544
@frankspick7544 7 жыл бұрын
a new judge had enter the scene dishing out justice like no other judge had done and hes name is JUDGE BAT!!
@UncannyMike
@UncannyMike 7 жыл бұрын
i wonder how long it will be before we get a DC/Dynamite Batman/John Wick crossover.
@kevinmeyers1114
@kevinmeyers1114 7 жыл бұрын
Could you guys at some point do Garth Ennis' Punisher? Maybe Welcome Back, Frank or Born?
@Insane-Howl-Cowl
@Insane-Howl-Cowl 6 жыл бұрын
If they did Judge Death and Ra's team up, I hope they push Death into a Lazarus Pit. Imagine Death reborn, it would be the worst torture he could imagine.
@jok86er
@jok86er 7 жыл бұрын
i was hoping to see the rest of Ultimate spiderman but i like Judge Dredd.
@tomthumb1457
@tomthumb1457 6 жыл бұрын
As kid I felt so lucky being a dredd fan and having my local comic book store named mega city comics.
@darkdragonzord
@darkdragonzord 7 жыл бұрын
Love the intro to this episode!!
@izzythefizzy4
@izzythefizzy4 7 жыл бұрын
Glorious, I wasn't waiting for this but I am glad it happened!
@Scandal262
@Scandal262 7 жыл бұрын
Now I want a tattoo that says "the crime is life. The sentence I death!'
@oatmat
@oatmat 7 жыл бұрын
They need to continue that Dredd film into a TV show on HBO
@dieboyandy5150
@dieboyandy5150 6 жыл бұрын
"I'm gonna hit you so hard, you'll end up on a sun in your universe" God damn it guys! Why do you always make me look crazy to my workmates as I laugh insanely while the whole office is quiet!?!? I love you guys!!!
@caydenkebbles1861
@caydenkebbles1861 7 жыл бұрын
Great episode
@orlandom394
@orlandom394 7 жыл бұрын
Keep up the phenomenal work comic pop
@DeanIrvine
@DeanIrvine 2 жыл бұрын
Only seeing this as I only recently found the channel, but growing up with dredd and Batman I bloody loved this, the art when I was kid was mind blowing. Also am I alone thinking the Batman who laughs is a judge death rip off, they need to bring this series back just for that team up.
@skell_jams
@skell_jams 7 жыл бұрын
New Mastodon riffs and new Comic Pop on the same day. Hot damn, I'll take it
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 7 жыл бұрын
I still want my dredd sequel
@paolothorpe1461
@paolothorpe1461 7 жыл бұрын
Fear the reaper:blue oyster cult: I'm burnin I'm burnin for u
@LukeDodge916
@LukeDodge916 7 жыл бұрын
I haven't had this much fun with Back Issues in like, maybe an episode or two. But seriously great episode guys. I remember, like Sal apparently does, being frightened from this issue (and Morrison's Arkham Asylum) as a kid and running under the bed to read some Spider-Man...
@ohimleyesh4866
@ohimleyesh4866 7 жыл бұрын
Yo- hold up, is Tiff rocking the Thriller leather?
@brendanthomas7711
@brendanthomas7711 7 жыл бұрын
Sal, Thank you so much for doing this. I'm huge fan of Dredd and Simon Bisley. Tiff should check out his work on Slaine The Horned God, cause it's about a celtic warrior in ancient Ireland who runs around naked disembowling people. Thanks again guys brilliant show.
@FatSnorlax
@FatSnorlax 7 жыл бұрын
"Better kind of democracy" My ass! XD *Looks at Brexit" Shit.
@nathanshaw9689
@nathanshaw9689 7 жыл бұрын
*Looks at Trump* thinks things could be worse
@FatSnorlax
@FatSnorlax 7 жыл бұрын
True XD
@howardroark3208
@howardroark3208 7 жыл бұрын
Nathan Shaw I don't know Boris Johnson is pretty, pretty, pretty Drumpfy
@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193
@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193 7 жыл бұрын
Nathan Shaw *looks at british economy* could be worse here too 🤗
@THEhorse137
@THEhorse137 7 жыл бұрын
Well only in America the person with less votes wins the top office. America the Golf of democracy.
@kanegibson5479
@kanegibson5479 7 жыл бұрын
This is great, for a bit more judge dredd i'm sure i have a copy of The Judge Child knocking around i can send you
@billkimla8626
@billkimla8626 6 жыл бұрын
If judge dredd and batman swapped places i really dont picture dredd not knowing what to do. I picture dredd being kind of like the comedian from watchmen in gotham in the doomsday clock series. Batman wouldnt be there so i could see all the baddies tryin 2 form an alliance to take gotham over and then dredd jus showing up n starting to blow criminals away like the comedian did with w/ his rifle. I mean thats just how i could picture it going down anyways atleast.
@preheatedmusic3179
@preheatedmusic3179 2 жыл бұрын
There’s no way the Batman who laughs wasn’t inspired by judge death not only do they almost look the same they both have that weird way of talking where they drawl out certain letters.
@traviswilliams5805
@traviswilliams5805 7 жыл бұрын
I love Batman vs. Dredd! The art is unreal.
@liverusrock6789
@liverusrock6789 7 жыл бұрын
Judge Joker?... Judker?... I...I know where the exit is, don't worry.
@MercWithMouth1234567
@MercWithMouth1234567 7 жыл бұрын
Can you guys do the Batman/Grendel series?
@unodestosdiaz2998
@unodestosdiaz2998 7 жыл бұрын
My girlfriend gave me the hardcover version of this compilation. No need to write any of those stories, but they are quite entertaining, and have cool art.
@nathaniellee2263
@nathaniellee2263 7 жыл бұрын
You guys do remember Injustice gods among us right? You know the whole superman smashing his hand into the Jokers chest thing?
@comicpop
@comicpop 7 жыл бұрын
+Nathaniel Lee I'm more referring to regular Superman, rather than an alternate reality Superman put into a situation he isn't likely to face in regular comics.
@toushin1000
@toushin1000 7 жыл бұрын
except in the injustice universe where he used his allies as cannon fodder in a suicidal effort not to kill them
@jakemayorquin5460
@jakemayorquin5460 7 жыл бұрын
Could we get some more Dredd crossovers from you guys? Specifically Alien vs Predator vs Judge Dredd
@matterstoyou2970
@matterstoyou2970 7 жыл бұрын
You guys should do something like; Exiles.The X-Men/Sliders premise could have gone on forever if the book hadn't dwindled in popularity. Sal could talk for a while about THE MUTANT MASSACRE and I bet Benny would be fascinated¡
@AstroBucket
@AstroBucket 7 жыл бұрын
Was kinda expecting you're doing Ultimate Spider-Man Vol. 2
@thestig863
@thestig863 6 жыл бұрын
"I know he's Marvel" - Tiff validating her nerd credentials for the 800th time that day
@andresreydecastro
@andresreydecastro 7 жыл бұрын
DC and 200AD should do another one and have Fredy Williams II draw it. That would be AWESOME!!
@Mr2at
@Mr2at 7 жыл бұрын
In a 2000ad issue, Dredd fought a Superman type character. Dredd kicked the shit out of him.
@robertcorr6971
@robertcorr6971 7 жыл бұрын
Dredd meets Red Hood?
@Ike_of_pyke
@Ike_of_pyke 7 жыл бұрын
Spectrum Orlok meets Red Hood
@th-xh7ss
@th-xh7ss 6 жыл бұрын
Spectrum Dredd hood.
@404GameAndMusicProducer
@404GameAndMusicProducer 6 жыл бұрын
OMG yes
@xanderreimers4445
@xanderreimers4445 4 жыл бұрын
Yo dermit power is my dads friend lmao. That name drop caught me off guard haha
@ViciiousImpact
@ViciiousImpact 7 жыл бұрын
On the subject of batman crossovers you should look up Batman vs Predator they're very 90's and right up your ally.
@Peepholecircus
@Peepholecircus 7 жыл бұрын
Right, give a little more respect to Bisley! Man is a legend. Anyhow, worth noting with the Mean Machine character in the older movie is who made the FX, who has an alias as a Bisley like artist with 2000 AD? Search Chris Halls Cunningham. No wonder that the Mean Machine was the highlight of the movie. There's a movie I'd love to see. Directed by Cunningham Judgement on Gotham!.
@Unknowmn45054
@Unknowmn45054 7 жыл бұрын
And they've been building that place in the Meadowlands for so long!
@Officiallydubz
@Officiallydubz 3 ай бұрын
That jurassic park tee must be Ethans favorite shirt
@mttylerdurden9
@mttylerdurden9 7 жыл бұрын
wait,didn't Alan Moore write Judge Dredd early in his career?
@BBBHuey
@BBBHuey 5 жыл бұрын
Judge Dredd teaming up with the Ghostbusters.
@sollyswolly1623
@sollyswolly1623 2 жыл бұрын
Batman Who Laughs looks really similar to Judge Death!
@5trafficcone921
@5trafficcone921 7 жыл бұрын
Judge dredd vs. green arrow, Just putting it out there.
@damiandennis6149
@damiandennis6149 7 жыл бұрын
I think Alan Moore actually wrote for judge dredd if I remember correctly
@liverusrock6789
@liverusrock6789 7 жыл бұрын
Oh man, What about Judge Dredd Batman crossover but with Azrael Batman? It would be interesting imo
@galvatron3323
@galvatron3323 4 жыл бұрын
I wish ye guys did more Dredd.
@Grievousish
@Grievousish 7 жыл бұрын
if ethan and tiffany think Dredd is weird wait till they get to Tank Girl.
@TheRealZubes
@TheRealZubes 7 жыл бұрын
Grievousish I'm a little more familiar with tank girl and her kanga friends
@Grievousish
@Grievousish 7 жыл бұрын
TheRealZubes I don't think anything will confuse me more then anthropomorphic talking kangaroo
@spencerbrus6343
@spencerbrus6343 7 жыл бұрын
20:10 Me when I first read Arkham Asylum.
@alejandrovalenzuela7994
@alejandrovalenzuela7994 4 жыл бұрын
At first I though this was going to be a reviewy-esque type show, cuz of the one I saw about Dr Strange, now I see this is a ranty show
@billyretrogamer
@billyretrogamer 6 жыл бұрын
Dredd and Punisher....... Punisher becomes a Judge.
@slacknhash
@slacknhash 7 жыл бұрын
Can't see the people from 2000AD objecting to Alan Moore. By the end of The Killing Joke he'd pretty much had enough of working with DC. He'd left 2000AD by '86, and wasn't prepared to go back without the rights to his own work. So, yeah, not likely to happen even by the late eighties.
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