Commander Clash S7 E12: Competitive Commander (CEDH) | Atraxa vs. Edric vs. Kenrith vs. Prossh

Kenrith, the Returned King vs. Atraxa, Praetor's Voice vs. Prossh, Skyraider of Kher vs. Edric, Spymaster of Trest
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If I had to rank the average power level of the decks on this show on a scale from 1 to 10, I'd put our decks at around a 5, with our jankier episodes being around 3 and our more "normal" episodes being around 7. But for this episode, we're dialing it up to 8 and 9 with Competitive Commander, aka CEDH! There is only one goal in mind today: to win! We are building the most competitive versions of our favorite decks and ignoring our usual house bans like Mana Crypt -- in fact, you'll probably see a Crypt in each of our lists! Here's what we've got:
Andrew sticks to his brand, looking to Jund 'Em Out with a fast-paced Food Chain deck led by Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
Crim decided to bring the most fair deck to this broken week, running a Superfriends deck led by Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
Seth can't get enough of Kenrith -- maybe it's an affinity to that sick beard -- playing a Demonic Consultation list led by Kenrith, the Returned King
Tomer finally gets to unleash his all-time favorite commander at full power! Behold, Edric, Spymaster of Trest
We rarely do a CEDH week, so to make it up to you all this video is extra long! Enjoy!
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[@bryanbonar]

>cEDH >Atraxa Superfriends Well, I know who's not winning this week.

[@jasonkorf7700]

Yep, the Edric deck player.

[@moshjoshpitchief4418]

yea, atraxa's definitely not "CEDH" and the only build that can compete at cedh tables is a stax/attrition version. definitely not a dedicated superfriends

[@nickvanschaick6322]

It's really weird that he decided to bring an extremely bad version of a medium commander to a table where the stated goal is to go as hard as possible :/

[@hugodiazroa]

@@jasonkorf7700 I think Atraxa is worst, I've lost to edric

[@jasonkorf7700]

​@@hugodiazroa My comment was directed at the fact that in the three games played, Tomer lost all three of them, and everyone else won a game. Crim with Atraxa won a game of CEDH in one those three match.

[@jasonkorf7700]

It's a Christmas miracle, 3 CEDH games in one episode.

[@kerorose1]

This is definitely one of my favorite episodes. 3 hour special, 3 different games, 3 different winners, countless punts (and punts in response to punts)... thanks! 😄

[@VRanger100]

Best part of cEDH this time around is how everyone, for the most part, knows how their decks work. Watching them before, it was clear everyone needed a guide or primer to know. This time around, I'm glad Tomer played a High-Power Edric, Seth played Control/Combo, Andrew played Food-Chain Combo, and Crim played... Best part of this was watching 3-games.

[@aarong2606]

Man that first game had me wondering where the archenemy scheme cards were....only thing that could explain that gross threat assessment

[@hinatasninetailedfox]

Just now watching this game and I agree. Everyone else had just as much Mana ways to block, and way more cards in hand. At that point Tomer wasn't even relatively close to the top threat and Seth two for 1'd himself to completely shut down the player furthest behind. :/

[@SventFulgur]

Lol, this cEDH episode is played with their normal table banter and politics and it's hilarious xD

[@dannewhall5256]

As someone who is not very well versed in CEDH combos and such, I really appreciated you guys breaking down the food chain infinite mana combo, thanks guys!

[@skylerhornagold4849]

Best Commander Clash ever! Three games are better than one. I've been rooting for Crim to win one for months. Great plays guys.

[@WushuTaz]

Thank you guys for playing some cEDH decks even though it's not your cup of tea. It's fun seeing you all figure out the combos, subtle nuances and general pacing of each deck. It can be pretty intense at times.

[@benjamincumming3371]

The bullying of tomer hurt me deeply to watch. He just wanted card draw...

[@brkn613]

The bestow cost literally says "it becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature." Of course it isn't a creature spell. But still, wonderful video. I love this group.

[@PieEater1492]

I really feel for Andrew being the only adult in the second game lmao. So relatable.

[@Paranundrox]

You cannot Stifle Food Chain. It is a mana ability. (It could add mana, it doesn't target, and it isn't loyalty ability)

[@AlessandroAllegri]

Ah, how I love cEDH week! Thank you so much guys!

[@PalPlays]

Edric Turns: 8 Food Chain Prossh: 9 Kenrith: 8 (not sure on this one) Atraxa Superfriends: 5 or 6

[@PalPlays]

@AD asd Where do you think he'll end up, tier list wise?

[@PalPlays]

@AD asd I'll check it out once I have time.

[@izikmoore9404]

Kenrith is considered about a 9/10 in terms of cEDH power. That is basically the highest power since the only ones that people consider almost overpowered are Thrasios and Tymna (Thrasios has similar win con to Kenrith except it doesn't required colored mana and it gets all of your lands onto the battlefield)

[@chaotic3380]

I love how there are 2 established cedh decks, 1 experimental cedh deck, and 1 mid power casual deck at the table

[@hugodiazroa]

I'd say that the first sliver makes prosh food chain look like a tier 2 deck, or at least a 1.5

[@chaotic3380]

@@hugodiazroa Either way it's still an established deck

[@jacklangley4422]

I've been waiting or this week's theme for a long time. Love it. Please keep doing these every now and then!

[@budderwarrior518]

Game one, andrew could have one with this line: Tutor food chain (4 mana left) Food chain (1 mana) Use his plethora of creatures in hand to ramp up to Proshh Walking Ballista for infinite, good game

[@melissagrenier2200]

Did he have a tutor that wouldn't damage and kill him? I was trying to find one in his hand but I must have missed it.

[@AedalinSolaris]

Melissa Grenier yea he has the sac tutor

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

could have won* with this line

[@chaotic3380]

Ye he also had mana to abrupt decay his mana crypt as well, so I really don't know what he was going for with that insanely risky play

[@xakuyer]

Tomer : we are playing cedh Also me : Atraxa cedh, c'mon ?!

[@chimneyimp1486]

I am so happy about the commander clash format. By far my most liked series. cEDH was a pleasant alternative. I hope we are gonna see once one of tomer's moonfolk decks (mono or multicolor)

[@joegiddens9299]

Been waiting all week for this!

[@MidgarMerc]

"Tamiyo's ultimate doesnt win the game" *looks at literally any extra turn spell that doesnt get exiled*

[@ericsanford536]

Or , yknow, any counterspell ever printed

[@PalPlays]

@@ericsanford536 Eh, you can still run them out of mana to keep countering spells, especially in cEDH. The extra turn spells are scarier.

[@MidgarMerc]

@@ericsanford536 counterspells dont give you infinite mana, infinite draws and infinite combat steps

[@vader1137]

Well I can understand that you guys are not very used to playing cEDH, but in the minute 47:58, Andrew had basically 6 mana, so you would tap mana crypt + swamp to play Diabolic Intent, get Food Chain, Play Food chain, you'll have 1 mana floating, then you keep sac'ing creatures with the food chain until you reach 4 mana, then cast Eternal Witness, recover Pyroblast (in case of counters), sac Witness, get recruiter, search Squee the inmmortal, food chain him to infinite, cast a huge Ballista, and kill everyone.

[@aleavilestv]

1:32:23 Seth to Tomer: Oh? You're Approaching Me? jajaja

[@0nCoolDown]

I like the new editing style! :D

[@skylerhornagold4849]

Omg im so excited. I havent watched anything but Tomer's intro.. Max Hype rn!

[@r.r.theninja6812]

at 1:46:24, Andrew should have tainted pacted for food chain. If he hits squee or eternal scourge along the way, he can cast food chain, eat the bob, and then go off and kill with the bushwacker in hand.

[@testmand123]

I really enjoy the cEDH week every season, but it is really awful when one person does not bring a cEDH deck. Last season Vince played Nekusar, and this season it is Chrim on Atraxa. Atleast make everyone do some research, Tomer always tries so hard to fit the theme, but it gets ruined if everyone is not in on it

[@Manonmarsthefirst]

Spooky boots

[@blueeyedenvy9715]

My favourite thing is to watch tomer play edric, literally what got me into commander

[@makarzorklin8265]

Crim's deck the last game basically read: "kill target Tomer". Overburden + Tained Aether + Teferi's Protection are all hate cards for Edric Turns. It could end no other way.

[@PalPlays]

Phasing is really easy to understand. It ceases to exist, but isn't exiled. Done.

[@TheFluke32]

50:55 i think that Cutthroat into 0/0 ballista was the only way for andrew to gain life at this point. then yawgmoth's will for shenannigans

[@bigwig8657]

That first hand played edric and draws off him turn 2 which seems good.

[@DonovanPresents]

2:40:10 why didn't Tomer play a one drop creature Gah! He would have had more creatures than Crim... But does Teferi's Protection have split second?

[@Big_Dai]

These were fun because of the people playing and the interactions.

[@samhairle]

@52:20 why did some of Andrew's discards go to his graveyard?

[@joshualo8226]

When Seth said the infinite doxide extortionist combo game three, I was actually yelling at the screen for toner not to do anything. They still got there though.

[@PalPlays]

00:55:23 Oh then you should see a proper stax deck at work. I run the Xantcha Control shell with the storm package replaced by hardcore stax, led by Queen Marchesa.

[@mumbles727]

1:53:10 don’t pay for remora, play kenrith, replay the bounced land, cast chrome mox and imprint lab man. 5 mana to reanimate notion thief

[@bigwig8657]

Why is Krim not playing Thalias lancers and djeru? Both are blockers that tutor any planeswalker.

[@trixterDevil]

Only 7s max on commander clash.... Tomer immediately coming in with these blatant lies! XD

[@PalPlays]

And even sevens are rare.

[@CourierFromFONv]

Seth, why would you force the mana drain? ☹️

[@7someone]

Tomer looks at Seth's Mana Crypt no I'm not countering back after he taps his land. I like it.

[@Bladerxdxi]

Shouldnt the kenrith Deck have World gorger Combo?

[@ashra8281]

I love cedh weeks occasionally but what ruins it is when one person isn't cedh. And the worst bit is it's normally the people who run unfair decks and a normal game. Vince did it and now crim did it. I get tomers isn't the most powerful either but superfriends is far to weak compared to something like proosh chain

[@coreysierchio4650]

Apparently, the "c" in "cEDH" stands for Combo. Kinda groovy to see 3 different decks win, Unfortunately it happened while keeping hate towards Edric.

[@LaserfaceJones]

Muddstah trying the classic "Scoop so you can't draw" didn't even work. MTGO enforcin' them house rules.

[@solidmasterdante]

It wasn't a scoop though. It was actual game mechanics, which is fair.

[@willsmith1875]

in game one, food chain coulda won on their first turn through, 1 cmc dork -> diabolic intent getting food chain -> cast food chain -> 1 cmc dork -> foochain it for a 2 cmc dork -> food chain it for imperial recruiter getting squee -> infinite mana for balista. coulda skipped the mana crypt risk

[@imasiontist653]

Is crim not running cyc rift?

[@josecisneros7730]

As an edric player it was painful to watch Tomer pilot this deck, but I still love you Tomer

[@dankweekyboom3427]

i thought the top left picture was a smiling panda for maybe too long

[@deviatespade7692]

Is Atraxa Stax a viable CEDH option

[@bamjo9]

2:31:00 there is the cage, he cannot combo off!

[@gregg2248]

Everyone claims Tomer can win game 1 with 1 card in hand but Andrew has 19 and they says nah he can’t win. Tomer hate is real lol

[@i8yourfwd]

Holy crap that fish feeding in g2

[@jonas_oja]

2:40:00 Andrew could have given tome a token so he can counter teferis protection

[@benjamintaylor6878]

Toner why oh why did you mull that first hand?? Turn two Edric with a creature on board!

[@MeriadocMyr]

One day, i will get Tomer to play my storm list, since it has no set winplan through any combo. I want to see him struggle trying to pilot it.

[@Zanbarthegreat]

tomer what is your paper list please

[@fergusofdalibor4264]

Seth is so good. Big brain.

[@solidmasterdante]

Maaaaaaaaan, that game 3. EVERYBODY started forgetting how their cards work! Yikeronis my dudes :p Also, Tomer... why you slow roll your last turn in game 3? There was no way to draw the extra turn spell, unless I'm missing something. Just sayin', kinda BM to spin your wheels when you know it's over.

[@Brando88Kern]

Why does Tomer remind me of Wes Wise?

[@ikrena4701]

I'm disappointed that this season "cEDH" meant "somewhat higher power decks than usual" and not actual cEDH for half of the decks

[@ODIRGO]

Just by looking at the thumnails I had the same feeling.

[@MultiTaz333]

3 out of 4 were cedh

[@tmanc1998]

I wait every season for cedh week and then they do stuff like this... I wish they'd ask the cedh community for help before these episodes

[@JK03011997]

Man, this was pretty fun to watch and a great St Nic present, but I think I strongly prefered the rounds where you guys were playing "stock" cedh lists that were "established" in the "format" as those tended to be a decent chunk more powerful (referencing the Najeela, Teferi etc episode). Here, for example, seeing Prosh struggle is just such a big reminder why First Sliver pretty much monopolised FC decks now

[@ericsanford536]

As usual, ZERO threat analysis and bully Tomer out of the game when he is doing the LEAST of anyone, with the LEAST cards and has benefited the LEAST from his own commander. It's not even fun to watch anymore it's like seeing a 6th grader in glasses get beat up on the playground.

[@thatoneginger]

Those were some long games of CEDH.

[@joshuaritter9747]

By some chance can someone link tomers budget edric deck?

[@Ottamus_Prime]

Tomer learn the art of sandbagging when playing edric please!

[@T_Peazy]

At 2:12:30 I also heard "Crim Tutor" lol

[@bigwig8657]

How the hell did you mull into mana drain 3 more times tomer.

[@TheSpiritombsableye]

Yay, actual Commander.

[@DietrichMischke]

TheSpiritombsableye some of us cant afford 3000-5000 dollar decks

[@tonyontilt3522]

Cedh 3hr video? 😱

[@coryclark8689]

best Mexican standoff NA

[@tylerfoster2814]

40:00 needs more abacus.

[@ianflannery4291]

I do like that on the cedh week we do not have a single list that widely used in Cedh.

[@nedcurfman3486]

Wait. Is...is Tomer running Faerie Miscreant? Why?

[@MasterKulon]

Because the deck wants lots of faeries for spellstutter sprite

[@erikallen4923]

It's a flying man with upside. Edric just needs cheap evasive bodies to dig to time warps.

[@FightsWithSpoons]

It's an admirable attempt for sure. That's where it stops.

[@twoblueuntapped886]

Is Nobody else upset Tomer has a Faerie Miscreant in his commander deck? I can assure you there are at least 100 better options for a 1-mana evasive creature

[@MasterKulon]

Being a faerie is super relevant in a deck that runs spellstutter sprite

[@twoblueuntapped886]

@@MasterKulon there's seven other faeries at one mana in green and blue. All of them are better than Miscreant

[@NMS127]

@@twoblueuntapped886 There are six one-mana faeries with evasion in UG and he's running all of them except Faerie Impostor, which has a drawback.

[@josecisneros7730]

Lmao. you obviously don’t understand how edric’s win-con works. key creature type is “rouge” turning on its win-con

[@dustyfox6511]

I know this was ages ago so no one really cares anymore; But couldn't Seth Force of Will the Merciless Eviction to stop the Mana Drain if he wanted to keep the board state but stop the mana gain?

[@ExKiwi-yw8er]

tomer was soooo close so many times. all he had to do was play a bird pre combat

[@melissagrenier2200]

Wow Crim managed to win with that deck. I can't believe it.

[@Terror1046]

kingmaking by andrew. Pretty bad sports honestly

[@jeffwren7815]

I feel bad for Andrew, like it's not difficult to not feed the fuckin fish... You'd think people playing magic this long would understand that shit.

[@stephenhousman6975]

Who ever said the you can stifle food chain you can't. Food chain is a mana ability thus can't be stifled.

[@nicholasrolo886]

Why does Seth consider 4 lands "a lot of mana" it's not even that much

[@hart7668]

You won't give a spirit to the Edric player; that makes sense. But you gave it to the Food Chain player instead??

[@prestonmorris751]

Jonathan Hart giving it to the superfriends player so they have blockers is also as bad

[@blkswrdfalcon2948]

Anybody else remembers that time Seth stole Tomer's Manavault

[@MTGGoldfish]

I do ;)

[@Ragmesesis]

Tomer needs a Faster deck everyone Targets him very easy he needs a deck that Turn win 1 to 3 very easy.

[@Silverwing36]

CEDH aka, THE STACK

[@ryant8162]

Atraxa superfriends isn't cedh. This is false advertising. Ree

[@PalPlays]

Shhhhh Crim is new to EDH.

[@thetruth4654]

Sorin Markov has no place in CEDH

[@ODIRGO]

I guess you have a very loose concept of CEDH.

[@hphoenix13]

You cannot stifle a Food Chain trigger. It is a mana ability and does not use the stack. You CAN stifle the Prossh token trigger, but dont spread misinformation plz. It sucks to have players agrue with a judge because "well MTG goldfish said.."

[@montey3407]

Oh Jesus tomer edric and you

[@moshjoshpitchief4418]

turn 1 mystic remora is not that good in cedh, the proper line to stop it is to just play lands and wait till your opponent can't pay the upkeep cost, just out attrition it. mystic remora is better at most tables in CEDH as a turn 2 or 3, when you are really stopping your opponents power plays and can use the refill and cards you draw to stop them or win the game. just my experience.

[@MultiTaz333]

Yay atraxa

[@TwiztidDJ94]

Tomer could've won the last game if he flashed out the faerie and untapped his land it wouldve gave him 8 creatures and counter teferis protection

[@NMS127]

Cloud of Faeries doesn't have flash. And he probably wasn't winning even if he countered Protection.

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

Atraxa cedh? Prossh cedh? yeah, probably not

[@hugodiazroa]

Prosh is good in 1v1 cuz it kills really fast with coat of arms

[@09Dragonite]

Actually, Prossh is currently rated as a tier 2 meta cEDH legendary. Was tier 1 for a long time, up until Tazri started using Food Chain combo, and even then Prossh is insanely consistent with the correct shell. I turn 3 tables all the time and I consider my list casual, the only issue is interrupting the combo chain. Force and Pact are annoying, but easily dealt with when you have Veil of Summer and the red Blast cycle. Not to mention the list runs so many tutors that you're basically guaranteed to hit your pieces. The only thing slowing it down in multiplayer is needing a payoff card that wipes everyone out besides Prossh himself- and in 1v1 Prossh is the payoff. Definitely a meta relevant list, at least more so than every other list in this video.

[@hugodiazroa]

@@09Dragonite I haven't seen the Seth's kenrith list in detail, but a 100% kenrith imho wacks prossh ass. Colors are really important that can only be compensated if u have a busted commander (yisan, urza, jhoira, etc...). Also kenrith has both an infinite blue mana outlet and a way of making infinite mana with his last ability + (dockside extortionist/palinchron) + sac outlet

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

@@09Dragonite If you are consistently turn 3ing people with a Food Chain Prossh deck then you're just curb stomping since any other true cedh deck would easily bring that sort of list down to a 25% or less win rate. Putting up the arguement that Prossh can be insanely consistent doesn't mean anything tbh, since Tazri, First Sliver, or WUBRG Niv all have access to more tutors along with not needing to dedicate as many slots in their decks to outlets which also leads to having more interaction with your opponents to disrupt them.

[@them8ronz]

More Please

[@CHAREDot9]

Tomers first hand was not bad bc elvish pioneer can only put basics into play and he had no basics