Commander Clash S5 E18: Edric Bowl! (Edric vs. Edric vs. Edric vs. Edric)

[@zackestin1368]

The best part of this video is watching them be salty over trinisphere while Richard has winter orb in his hand being silent

[@TGK1rk]

I think you guys should have a two headed dragon week and put tomer and Vince on the same team haha

[@rctfan7]

Holy shit. Never did I know I wanted something so badly until I read your comment.

[@vbkllr]

this is a great idea

[@dahl7817]

Yup they should Vince should have a combo deck and Tomer a stacks deck

[@lilispoon369]

don't think you can do that on mtgo

[@ashra8281]

@@lilispoon369 you can't but you can do something similar just don't run cards that abuse you're opponents

[@Atrus159]

"I'm playing choke, tangle-wire, trinisphere wait why are you attacking me Richard?"

[@Dataloss484]

maybe don't tell each other the theme of your decks beforehand. just record the intro deck thingamajig after the game and put it at the beginning. That way the salt and the focus wont be starting on turn 0.

[@mrsnufflegums]

this isn't the second time you've all played the same commander, its something like the third. Don't forget the week everybody played all the old-timey slivers with sliver legion at the helm of everybody's deck.

[@imasiontist653]

Whats the third one after slivers?

[@johannesschubert7739]

@@imasiontist653 phfeldagriph or whatever

[@imasiontist653]

@@johannesschubert7739 ok thanks

[@nicolastanga2130]

They are trying to forget about Sliver week

[@alekkmiennert1929]

I enjoy this content, but the sheer amount of whining and complaining is losing its appeal. I enjoy what Vince brings to the table, it's a refreshing approach. I feel Tomer is coming on quite strong, and the two of them to hash their issues out and try to enjoy the game.

[@tryzydrate]

Extra turn spells are as degenerate as stax spells

[@LzyBn1987]

MaxPower he doesn’t start the whining before the game starts

[@ArtoPOE123]

@@PowerChannel88 tomer is whining every time somebody attacks him since season 1 ep 1, what are you smoking

[@Tsuna_SoulSilver]

I almost flip my table when I saw the title.

[@lucasenraraujo]

And let's not forget that thumbnail HAHAHA.

[@taylorjones1641]

I know Tomer and Vince sometimes get salty in the middle of games, but I’d like to believe there’s honest friendship in this group. The banter is really funny, and they seem to enjoy playing together. I like this season’s group.

[@PleasantKenobi]

I love Tomer. He's a fun lad.

[@Atanar89]

Nice that Seth punted so hard that instead of comboing off he just tutored for a piece that denied himself the combo.

[@masoncharrier7430]

Calling it now, Edric wins this week

[@Acraviotot]

I am so happy Tomer didn't win and honestly, bravo to Vince for that deck. I do think the whining is getting too constant and it wasn't gonna stop no matter what Vince played.

[@RealMertar]

Vince its fine to play stax. Its not that great to whine when people try to kill you for playing stax.

[@TabbyLikeAKat]

I would hardly call what Vince does whining. What Tomer does, now that is whining

[@LzyBn1987]

Part of the problem is the whining about what he’s playing IMO cause Commander is supposed to be a play what you want format so I don’t agree with hating the choice from the get go - let the piece come out and table address the piece not the player/deck

[@TabbyLikeAKat]

@STUDENT Richard Sakurai-Kearns Its not though, he even said it multiple times. His deck wants to slow down the game, ie: Trinisphere. It doesnt prevent you from doing things, it just prevents Tomer, Richard and Seth from going insanely fast which seems fair to me Edit: I do agree with you, if I was playing I'd kill Vince or whoever I saw as the biggest threat right off the bat. I think the point everyone supporting Vince is trying to make is that its really annoying that no matter what Vince plays. And while I agree with you on threat assessment, but if I was making content I wouldn't play like that. I would address Vince's board based on what he's doing, not on the off chance he might have something. Having this feud and complaining all week every week just gets so old

[@DiviNazuphus]

@STUDENT Richard Sakurai-Kearns Thats no different from having 10 counter spells and just countering anything remotely powerful that you play, and Tomer had a tendency to hear a card from Vince, immediately assume he will have it in his opening hand and then just attack vince over and over despite the fact he is nowhere near the biggest threat on the board. He tunnel visions, which is why vince has such a problem, Tomer doesnt care about the current board state, He hears stacks and just attacks.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Stax with wincons is beautiful

[@liamw.1313]

Regardless of whether or not I agree with Vince or Tomer's respective analysis of past games and decks, I really appreciate Vince saying they needed to tone down the salt, cause no one wants to hear people actually argue.

[@Lucarioguild7]

Tomer complaining about trinisphere stopping him from winning with a vapors in hand is so tilting

[@pali6]

I am disappointed in Vince and Tomer constantly being salty about each other. It's much less enjoyable to watch the series now.

[@RyanMclain]

I would normally agree but personally I find it even more enjoyable as literally lol each episode. im a fan of this group

[@kingfuzzy2]

@@RyanMclain it is a beautiful bromance

[@MonsterCC]

Edric was my first commander, built thanks to Tomer's Budget Commander article. Thanks for the years of great magic guys!

[@totalcoward]

I feel like if Vince had said the other part of his deck in the deck tech he would’ve been fine. Seriously, “Artifact Edric” is far less kill worthy than “Stax Edric”. It’s kinda like how Richard doesn’t say he’s playing “True Conviction Kithkin” or Tomer avoids calling his deck “Infinite Godo Coin Flip”.

[@TabbyLikeAKat]

at least he's upfront about what he's playing? I feel like it doesn't justify killing him because he doesnt try to conceal the fact that he has a combo or stax pieces in his deck like Tomers famous Kiki-Jiki or Godo combos that make no sense for the week

[@thormachinejean4842]

Vince, with the new rules update to cards that effect your opponent such as path to exile and Tabernacle it is now your opponents responsibility to remind you about them in competitive play. So even though they are your triggers you brought the tabernacle to the game. It is your responsibility to remind your opponent to do their tabernacle triggers you gave them.

[@jioosting]

Honestly Tomer and Vince bickering is getting a bit old.

[@gregspencer1355]

They're why i stop watching most of these

[@TheDreno33]

Tomer has very valid reasons for most of his bitching. Vince will literally bitch about people attacking him when he has 2 of 3 of his combo pieces on the board, or cries up a storm when someone destroys some huge threat of his as if there was a better target. He is the wrong vibe for the channel. Crimm is perfect

[@jaspertas3228]

@@TheDreno33 Other way around in my opinion, Tomer manages to whine and cry about everything, even when he's winning.

[@AppaTheBizon1228]

I love how one of the first things Tomer does is correct himself to say he "was" excited

[@EDHCommander99]

Exactly what KZbin wanted. Thank you Tomer.

[@finley8408]

I agree!

[@connorwingard474]

Not gonna lie I have only been able to make it through halfway on the last few commander clash videos. The salt is so uncomfortable to watch

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

I had unsubscribed a few weeks ago because I couldn't stand the direction the series has taken this season but the videos still come up in my Recommended list. When I saw an all Edric video, I decided to check it out because I have an Edric deck and it's a lot of fun. I made it to the point that Vince talked about his deck and quit watching. That guy is just an asshole and he makes asshole decks and he ruined this series, as far as I'm concerned.

[@TabbyLikeAKat]

@@HarryBuddhaPalm But Tomer can whine and combo off every week, but Vince is clearly the issue

[@LzyBn1987]

@Harry BuddhaPalm i actually give Vince credit for trying something different. Tomer set the idea of meta gaming during mono white week. Commander is supposed to be a play what you want format and the table is supposed to police

[@PrebenHollywoodTV]

i actually just unsubscribed yesterday, because my interest in magic was stagnating. Then youtube suggested the video, I saw the title, and i'm back in!

[@XpPotions]

Don't go please we love you!

[@123mickymouse123]

I love that Richard considered stax too cruel, but has stasis in his deck :D Edit: And winter orb! I love you Richard :D Also thank y'all in CC for being aware of the complaints. I hope we haven't gotten under your skin though, since y'all are awesome.

[@petthepsycopath]

man richard totally missed out on a chance to play tribal bears

[@cooool74]

So Tomer punted right? 1:05:55 Play Karns temporal summoning , put trinisphere back in Vince's hand. then put miracle card on top of deck next turn miracle play a rouge and continue the winning.

[@N1ghthavvk]

I'm sitting here scrolling down to see anybody mention his mulligan: He mulled away the turn one unblockable, turn two Edric hand.... Why :(

[@Thor22396]

He couldn't return temporal mastery since it exiles but he could return the 5 mana one as well as play 3 creatures to draw 12

[@originaluckless]

He couldn't cast karns temporal sundering because he didn't control a legendary permanent

[@Thor22396]

Oh right I forgot it was a Misclick that stopped him from recasting it

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761]

@@originaluckless he had edric

[@Suavek69]

The more Vince is trying to talk his way out of this the more I want Tomer to keep it up xD

[@kincrawford7169]

I never understood some people's obsession with soap operas... Until now. The drama is so great.

[@Beam_on_team]

LMAO i kept being super confused about what the big deal about this week was, I kept thinking that Edric was Odric the mono-white keyword soup commander

[@prolleytroblems]

Tomer was so salty at Vince lol

[@jrgenringgaard3950]

not sure if it's tomer, or if it's vince, but there deffinately seem to be some tension between them, and it's really affecting the video IMO

[@prolleytroblems]

@@jrgenringgaard3950 Yeah, it was pretty jarring

[@RPGFanboy14]

Hey Tomer, just thought I'd mention you didn't put the soft ban list in the article. Looking forward to the game.

[@Apkooi1]

Hey Vince, have you cosidered Animar stax? Animars counter cost reduction would offset stuff like lodestone and the like

[@clelvis225]

and then you could use Scrap Trawler/Myr Retriever alongside Kuldotha Forgemaster and other artifact creatures to tutor up Stax pieces...I can hear the groans already!!!

[@ShiningSpear]

Oh my god, I need to build that.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761]

@@clelvis225 then throw in a titan for a wincon

[@PleasantKenobi]

Don't encourage me. I'm currently on a 5 step plan to move off of Stax decks.

[@Apkooi1]

Youre being encouraged. Lmaoo

[@karanojin]

what fresh hell is this

[@kingfuzzy2]

Art

[@bolt3_095]

If tomer doesn’t win I will be disappointed

[@orccen]

All the salt on Edric week of course hahaha

[@jormungardwe]

mono green with choke, 7 min and i am already disapointed, imagine the fun of "Carpet of Flowers" + "Choke" + "Back to Basics" + "Winter Orb", so much fun.

[@TabbyLikeAKat]

That sounds like a fun game of magic... for me :)

[@PiroMunkie]

As someone who likes playing stax and playing against stax, I appreciate Vince being part of these games. Also his list this week could barely be considered stax. UG is a weird color-pair for it, so it makes a little sense, but he definitely could have been a lot meaner. Looking at the decklists even, it seems like Vince had objectively the worst deck of the 4. There was definitely a good point at the end there about attacking the stax player purely because of the stigma of it while the other decks at the table are just creating an unanswerable boardstate.

[@CodenameJD]

Tomer, your opener had enough mana to cast everything you'd draw, an unblockable 1-drop, and could play Edric on turn 2 before anyone else... that hand was PERFECT for Edric!

[@jasonkorf7700]

It's gonna be funny when the New Year's Resolution week has Seth, Richard, & Tomer playing Stax and Vince playing a janky Penny Dreadful weenie deck, lol. It is hilarious that Vince violated so many things this week by playing an over 4,000 dollar stax deck that violates their budget restrictions and he's play an Edric Stax deck that is anti-Edric. Edit: Sorry to be that guy, but most of your decks this season have at least one combo in the deck. Granted they may have not been fully combo decks, but it's not like you're not running combos either Vince. You had Mephidross Vampire and Triskelion as a combo for the Karador deck.

[@riordanperfect]

I hope someday Vince is going to stop complaining about being attacked (or targeted) by Tomer, if even when he plays stacks he doesn't think it's fair for Tomer to attack him...

[@jjcc8379]

1:19:52 If tomer had mana drained the Stonecloud Curio .... I wonder

[@jackalano4100]

Viiiiince... I was SO excited to see that you were joining commander clash, but it’s just been disappointing nearly all season. What makes watching this enjoyable is watching everyone have fun, but you always bring out the calculating legacy player decks. When’s there gonna be a Dragon Ball Beez commander deck instead of another version of death and taxes to irritate all of the opponents.

[@Hydrospatial]

I thought this was sweet! [take that, Vince's predictions about the comments!]

[@d9_1056]

This is why you run interaction. So many cards drawn, and not one card outside of Freyalise that could blow up trinisphere?

[@totalcoward]

32:57 “Attention passengers, it has come to our attention that someone on this plane played Trinisphere on Edric week...” Vince: No.....

[@ryanhansen9779]

Ensnaring Bridge seems like a card that Edric can simply ignore, since the tradition is to play multiple 1 power evasive creatures, and unless Vincent/Richard wants to go Hellbent, everyone can still attack him right into the Bridge.

[@benjaminhandziak2488]

This was the saltiest week I've ever watched by far.

[@jamitaro-kun]

I have a solution to revealing a deck's gameplan prematurely: have each player individually record a brief deck tech then have them sent to Tomer (or the editor) for compiling. Now that hands are being recorded, I'm sure taking the extra minute to do a deck tech will reduce witch hunting.

[@scottfraser2554]

You can taste the salt in this episode!

[@makenamaehara2815]

Super fair Vince super fair. Its okay buddy #leavevincealone

[@__4016]

I have a Staxtraxa deck and I can say for certain that tanglewire in atraxa where you are blinking deepglow skate. All the fun!

[@ethanmcbride6811]

Whats the point of having rules if Vince just breaks them every week to play stacks with a different general

[@superstupid667]

This is first video I felt uncomfortable watching.. like should i go and let you guys clam down then come back?

[@mateusviegas4553]

yeah.. the vince x tommer thing was kinda fun the first 2 times, but sheesh.. calm down guys wtf

[@superstupid667]

@@mateusviegas4553 I think Vince needs to take a break. I love him and dont blame either of them but they just need a break.

[@Lucarioguild7]

superstupid667 pretty sure Seth and Richard felt the same lol

[@ArtoPOE123]

@@superstupid667 how about tomer takes a break for a season or 10 like every other player on this table so i dont have to listen to same omg card draw, oh my god 2 card win the game combo shit every week.

[@toomanyowlz]

Edric alone is scary, but 4!?!?

[@colossalsquid]

The Tomer/Vince bloodfeud contiunues unabated

[@PalPlays]

It was kinda cool to see Tabernacle in this game. One day I'll have one in my Mardu Stax deck in edh.

[@vicenteramirezperez5940]

Man, that trinisphere really did some work

[@imasiontist653]

Cursed videos

[@UniGya]

You know everyone is talking about Tomer getting salty at Vince but honestly it sounds like Tomer is trying not to bust out laughing at Vince turning Edric into staxs

[@XxMechaxWolfxX]

Tomer and Vince just need a second honeymoon

[@kingfuzzy2]

Absolutely

[@sscochise]

Couldn’t make it past 25 mins just not fun to hear Vince and tomer arguing the whole time. This whole season has been super unpleasant

[@DerArdas]

Tomer and vince Complaining about each others plans and schemes and debating that they themselves are completely harmless.... And then do exactly what the other person predicted 😂 Gotta love it

[@sidclauwers5945]

This was beautyful Edric was everywhere and each build was unique (different style)

[@duncanclark5605]

Seth could've won at 55:00. 1) Tap Marwyn for 5, play Devoted Druid, bounce Druid with Symbiote, untap Marwyn. 2) Tap Marwyn for 6 (9floating now), play Cloudstone Curio 3) Play Devoted Druid, bounce Symbiote from Curio trigger, play Symbiote (3 Floating now) 4) Bounce druid with Symbiote to untap Marwyn 5) Repeat steps 3 & 4, tapping Marwyn for larger and larger amounts of mana, bouncing the Symbiote with Curio to reuse the ability, bouncing Devoted Druid to untap Marwyn, eventually getting infinite green, playing Ezuri, then ending the loop with Marwyn untapped 6) Use Ezuri's ability enough times to pump Marwyn, Edric, and the elf token and swing one at each player for lethal forestwalk

[@duncanclark5605]

So I've realized that Trinisphere changes the math, but it still works as long as Seth makes a token with Freyalise first and keeps the Eladamri in hand

[@davidsewnauth260]

Good game. I love it when one of my 2 favorite players wins.

[@yaroslavdmitrive1504]

I HAD to pause video on 3:30 minutes and applaud out loud: bravo, Vince! I'm not sure how this ends up, but i am a happy viewer right now.

[@rwfoxs]

The best part of this vid is listing to tomer cry about overpowered cards when he’s got a mana drain in hand. I watched a more recent vid where crim looped a mana drain and it was pretty much just a functional counter spell. So I find it strange to see it present in one of his decks.

[@adamfiliatreault3393]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Tomer is so bloody adorable :P. 10/10 would meet for drinks and Commander lol

[@scotturquhart8567]

Vince is so salty he should come with a health warning

[@PleasantKenobi]

*blows kiss*

[@scotturquhart8567]

@@PleasantKenobi love you too man keep bugging tomer its hilarious

[@ShareloveT]

Haha, just started watching, love Vince's swagger! Tomer is such a baby sometimes lol.

[@kaszael]

Looking at all decklists, not one Declaration of Naught in a game where a card named "Edric, Spymaster of Trest" is sure to be cast a stupendous amount of times.

[@faceoctopus4571]

29:27 I think exploration might be good against trinisphere.

[@Flying1Kotte]

Imagine how boring this week would have been if all had been aggro decks that just beat face and didn't want to interact? Good on you vince! For people to actually play magic and think about deck construction.

[@josephhawkins7974]

I think Champion of Lambholt would be an excellent addition to an Edric deck.

[@1mrGhost]

Vince is never the bad guy! Vince is nothing but a victim!

[@justatraveler09]

Missed a chance for Edric Turbofog! Draw all the fogs so nobody else can draw.

[@LethalPigeon7]

I was hesitant to even click on the video anticipating what magnificent shitstorm quadruple normal edric wouldve unleashed and I was pleasantly surprised. Massive props to everyone especially Vince, and including Tomer, while I wouldn't want all fullblown edrics, it wouldn't've been as cool without a single one :) As for the salt I don't mind, it's still jokey, but I definitely don't need it.

[@everydaykronicler9974]

You held Chain of Vapor in your hand for so long and could’ve cast it on Seth’s end step... Tomer...

[@DonovanPresents]

One of the Tomer punts of the game was discarding Baral instead of casting it. He could have been able to use Karn's extra turn spell

[@brianokafor9748]

Seth, Tomer, Richard, and Vince!!!! What the hell is wrong with you guys, lol 🤣???

[@omegagaming609]

"stop twiddling my sphere"

[@JustinBarlow]

Third time of "same commander"! Didn't everyone play Sliver Legion at one point?

[@gregoryzelevinsky9837]

I think the Edric deck was very creative this week

[@MassiveFoot29]

Oh boy this ought to be interesting

[@kingfuzzy2]

Intriguingly interesting

[@andrewf6167]

*it's about time someone plays stax in commander clash*

[@farmerdragonball]

Tomer attacked vince straight away as he knew he was playing stax. Why not keep the decks a secret until the end?

[@hiygamer]

I'm currently designing a deck I think Tomer would like. It's going to be Kaldra Tribal. The end goal is to assemble Kaldra with Mirror Gallery in play so that you can start paying 1 mana for 4/4 Kaldra tokens which you use to overrun your opponents.

[@Kazz1187]

Seeing stasis in richard’s deck has me shooketh

[@faceoctopus4571]

Yargle week?

[@sofer2230]

Close; Mono-Black week.

[@ExKiwi-yw8er]

Dangit tomer, you Had that game so many times. Takin it easy on all the new edric players, probably.

[@JCFoxpox]

I think I’m just done with commander clash and that kills me inside. I’m sorry, the complaining and whining just never stops.

[@PleasantKenobi]

Give next week a shot. I'm hoping the episode (already filmed) is far better in terms of arguing.

[@LzyBn1987]

PleasantKenobi this is where I’m at- loving your stuff by the way

[@mellowsisco]

PleasantKenobi I've been watching this series since day one, and even though you guys went back and forth this week, that's part of the game. Don't feel like you owe anybody an explanation. I mean, Jake was known for his hateful decks. You guys seem like you're having fun, don't sweat the KZbin comments too much.

[@Battleguild]

Now make decks for each of the four major factions in Halo. (UNSC, Covenant, Flood, Promethians) Just make sure to add 5 Vehicles to each deck, for that authentic Halo feel.

[@everydaykronicler9974]

Tomer... You had it... Temporal Sundering before combat, bounce the Trinisphere...

[@tomerabramovici32]

Read the text of Temporal Sundering again.

[@everydaykronicler9974]

Tomer Abramovici He had his commander on the field when he could’ve/should’ve cast it

[@everydaykronicler9974]

I use it in Standard, I know what it does

[@vsDenchal]

Yeah, that's why Richard wins a lot. He knows when to keep his mouth shut about all the mean things his deck is capable of while also not directly lying about it. He tried to go full on stacks mode and it didn't work out - true. He didn't put Choke in his deck - true. Winter Orb? Just don't mention it (and don't play it when it's not actually good, as not to draw too much hate). But while I'm at it, I also want to commend on Seth. It's come a long way since "oh, I can win this turn - oh, I tomered, I can win next turn - oh, I'm dead". The turn where shroud fizzled your combo could have had everybody on full alarm mode if not for your chilled reaction. Sure, people knew you tried something and it didn't work, but that could be anything. With recard to Edric itself, I am pleasantly surprised. As someone who does not enjoy drawing cards (that don't do anything except being 1/1s for 1 and draw more cards), I settled myself for a rather boring week, but found it quite enjoyable. All the banter on hate on Vince has settled into a intensity where it's actually funny again, and also he's a way more graceful target than Tomer. Keep up the great work! And please, please make "I tomered" a thing.

[@vsDenchal]

P.S. I didn't make a lenghty comment about the Vince playing Tabernacle and Stax in general because I honestly don't think it had that bad of an influence on the game. But wow, that's some hate in the KZbin comments. Remember the game with Seth on Augustin Stax? A thing of beauty.

[@ru5h1n68]

Cool two Episode 18s in a row!

[@hiygamer]

Are you planning on doing another viewers submitted deck week any time soon? I've got a new deck that I'd love to see one of you play with.

[@hiygamer]

I've actually succeeded in building a good rebel deck. I've been using it for around a month now, and it has yet to lose a game.

[@nickwalker5797]

TIL that Drop of Honey is a Magic card. Neat.

[@MWorl91]

Everyone complains about the whining and complaining but this is Commander, politics is a huge part of the game. As long as it stops when the game ends I’m okay with it

[@tmlrules2]

another vince episode, another stax deck....

[@Valdreag17]

Sebastien Blackwell Totally needed this week.

[@PleasantKenobi]

I've played strict Stax twice, and a control deck with lock pieces/on board disruption. Think through your argument.

[@tmlrules2]

@@PleasantKenobi dude your decks have been complete garbage every single episode, i'm not sure what meta you play in but tomer attacking you weekly is 100% justifiable because your decks are so fucking shitty to play against, i thought commander clash was for entertainment and this has been the least entertaining season yet. point and case, this week you slowed the game down immensely to the point that people couldn't play their decks. i'm not sure about you but just sitting their turn after turn doing very little because someone wants to be dumb and play stax pieces isn't fun or entertainning

[@tmlrules2]

@@PleasantKenobi also go look at the rest of the comments i'm not the only one complaining about your decks.

[@cabal.]

The deck was fine, it was a nice way to try to counter the madness it was going on. I dont play stax myself but this time i was rooting for vince mainly because i hate edric.

[@faceoctopus4571]

57:22 I would have cast chain of vapors on trinisphere first. (that said I'm not sure I'd think to cast Reclaim after.)