Wargames: Regiment, Brigade or Division Scale? Which is best?

What is the difference between Pub Battles scale and Kriegsspiel? Scales in Wargames / Wargaming. Hexasim, Revolution Games, Kriegsspiel, Pub Battles, OSG, Clash of Arms, Compass Games, Roadys to Gettysburg, La Campagne

[@chrisc.2591]

Would love to see more Regimental or Brigade scale!

[@Ty.Buchanan]

Being able to shape around terrain will be awesome at brigade scale! It can get tight at Gettysburg toward the late game depending on which terrain you decide to set up on.

[@jacoblayer3358]

Brigade scale seems to be the sweet spot for me. You can more easily tailor differential division sizes based on numbers of brigades. Something else brigades offer is the ability to change formations a bit more (a division attacking in echelon or in column). Supporting brigades on an advance gives division deployment a more nuanced approach. For Napoleonics, formations play a much more pivotal role with heavy cavalry and more ubiquitous field artillery. Finally, brigades allow for less abstraction with casualties and cohesion as a result of combat.

[@winter9703]

Don’t hate me but I’d like to see more Battalion scale games - where each block is a company and four or six (simplified/standardized for gaming purposes) together form a battalion. I realize this is quite zoomed in, and a large battle like Waterloo or something similar would take up a lot of space… but at this scale we get to actually see the tactics that make the Napoleonic period so interesting: linear formation (and all the maneuvering headaches it caused), squares, different types of columns, etc.

[@fracalzo]

I would definitely like to see more games at Brigade level (the true sweet spot to me), that is: - long PB-style counters on big KS map scale, or - that newest shorter counters (2 of them = 1 long PB-style counter) on standard PB map scale

[@fracalzo]

For bigger battles, probabily the 2nd one is better (less room needed), but in my the movement rates should be equally halved, with 1 turn = 45 min instead of 90 minutes :)

[@leelowe251]

The Brigade scale seems great, i'd be more inclined to buy a pub battles game using Brigades.

[@larsgottlieb]

Personally, I want to see way more personal games that tell stories invovling individual people. Think 3-5 protagonists vs. the environment or other kinds of overwhelming numerical odds - a heist, sneaking into a gambling den, assassinations, that kind of thing.

[@SoloBattles]

No denying it looks cool. For my purposes, I don't think I would want the extra time and pieces. I know if I mean for my block to be following the terrain, and I simply play that way. Nonetheless, the option to play that way is cool, and definitely more appropriate for smaller battles. Marengo and Antietam might be really cool with brigade blocks. but I think Gettysburg or Waterloo, cool as they would look, might get tiring to play. I'd definitely want to try it out and see! I would be willing to buy both sets, just to try it out.

[@alviseossena3238]

kinda unrelated to the main topic, but I'd like to ask: where did you get/buy those maps? Because they look amazing

[@vincentstella5131]

While I too prefer the Battalion scale for the reasons @winter9703 stated, I would love to see Regiment scale games in this system. In fact, why not offer the game in multiple scales using the same map since you demonstrate the use of multiple unit scales on the same map? A gamer like me who has been a supporter of the system even before Brandywine hit the streets, I'd love to buy unit blocks in multiple scales for the same game knowing I''d get a slightly different tactical feel of the battle when using the different scales of the units in a game. Keep up the good work.

[@chestersleezer8821]

Well for my 15mm and 28mm Napoleonic's it is Battalion level so my Infantry Divisions have around 10 - 12 Battalions that are broken down into 2 - 3 Brigades or Regiments for Prussians. So since I use 24 figures per Battalion a Division would have 240 - 288 figures along with their Division & Brigade Commanders.

[@gre8132]

Yes, more brigade and Kriegsspiel level

[@Karl-Heinz-vp4gt]

I moved from hex & counter games to Columbia block games to Pub battles, can’t stand the stacking of counters anymore and I love the long PB blocks. I would enjoy a brigade level more detailed combat system, as most history books refer to brigade action when describing battles, but I would like to keep the same long blocks. So a bigger map maybe? Also I noticed your PB blocks stickers bear the name of the division and brigade commanders, while mine are just like “Heth L” and “Heth Right”. Is it standard now with the most recent games?

[@CommandPostGames]

Thanks for the input! It helps us to know what to focus on for new designs. We just made those up for testing and used them in the photo shoot. We are working on a Brigade scale game with more detail.

[@nathanwailes]

Does this still apply for post-linear warfare (like WW2 and beyond)?

[@georgesand1606]

few mens at most. did i say im playing squad leader already?

[@ZoSoPage1977]

No such thing as "best" in wargames.