Can a Real Fighter Pilot Beat an Su-30 with Thrust Vectoring in DCS?

[@CommandT]

Folks I forgot to mention - in this video we are using an updated Flight Model that I got early access to from the developers. It's been tweaked since then again and will go live with a new update that they are preparing for the Su-30 in the near future!

[@RedTail1-1]

The best description I've heard for the Su-30/35 is from a pilot who fought them. He said that it is like a dog fighting a cat. The cat holds it's groundand no matter where you come in from it spins around claws ready. His best strategy to beat them is to get them slow and then extend away to reset the fight and hope you can get them to eventually make a mistake.

[@CommandT]

Sounds similar to my tactic! What aircraft did this pilot fly?

[@infantryski11b64]

Your mom ​@@CommandT

[@RobertLewis-SithLord]

​@@CommandTI love you ❤️

[@RoachEatsVipers]

nice to see a channel that shares my love for the Su30, honestly you have some of the best DCS content on youtube ✌️

[@CommandT]

Thanks!! 🙏 Appreciate the kind words Sir! 😀

[@愛を込めてロシアから]

Imagine if SU 30,35,57 had software that automatically directs the gun at the enemy and calculates the advance. Thrust vectorization and efficient control surfaces allow you to point your nose anywhere

[@luciusartorius3437]

Instead it just has lead indicator, the gimbaling cannon like on su24 would be too weird on a fighter

[@robertkalinic335]

U already got the thrust vectoring to aim it where you feel like, u only need to put the enemy into calculated crosshair and i doubt having wing root cannon mechanism to direct the cannon would give more than few degrees before the recoil starts to swing your plane around. You will make the plane heavier cause those 1500 mules per second kick in different directions now.

[@愛を込めてロシアから]

@@robertkalinic335 I'm talking about the reversed software button to bring the aircraft to the level. You don't install the turret in the base of the cannon like on the Ka 52. Instead, let's say you enter melee mode, track the enemy with radar or optics, and either launch a missile, or with the gun selected, you push the trigger and the plane points its nose at where the enemy will be and shoots. This would be especially useful for intercepting cruise missiles, or when you need to intercept -hundreds- dozens of drones per flight and you can't afford to spend 150 rounds on one drone.

[@crazymonkeyVII]

I really like how you didn't cut away from the first player view to show outside footage until shot down on this one. I like seeing the pilot's perspective first before seeing what it looks like from the outside. Cheers!

[@CommandT]

Glad you enjoyed!! 🙏

[@Gunni1972]

I think draining it's energy/stalling it out, is the only way to get an advantageous position. That thing is dancing like a leaf in the wind. And for every non-thrust vectoring jet, the overhead flip is the tightest turn to make. Nice display of skill there. From the fighter Pilot's perspective also, as he realized whenever NOT to stay on course. And he beautifully managed his closure.

[@ProudOne]

Looks like it doesn’t lose enough speed when turning. Thrust vectoring will increase the AOA tremendously causing an insane amount of induced drag. I don’t think this is modeled correctly for this flanker.

[@CommandT]

In some situation I do agree with you

[@thinhnguyenduy4099]

I’d love to see you dogfight against Growling Sidewinder.

[@cmdrsorcererelited2391]

brilliant nose authority with TCS and FLCS (Cobra mode) duking it out with a Eurofighter T AI set at ACE skill, guns only.

[@petersuchansky6703]

I would assume that in the F 16 rate case you would not be able to stay all day long inside its circle. Arent you consuming your fuel too fast with that high angle of attack required compared to F 16 rateing fuel requirement?

[@CommandT]

Yes, technically by staying inside his turning circle and nose pointing you are rating at the same rate, just at a much slower speed. Fuel requirement is a non-issue. You’re almost always in full afterburner in a dogfight so you’ll be burning a similar amount of fuel either way… and the Flanker carries lots of fuel!

[@jamesmoriarty7796]

Do you think there’s a fourth Gen aircraft that can take the SU-30 in a guns only fight? Once you introduce missiles the fight becomes something else but man that SU-30 can turn.

[@Adrianricky004]

Watch growling sidewinder he’s done plenty of dogfight videos

[@abhassharma1468]

​@@Adrianricky004 he is more of a businessman and lies a lot. He kept on selling it to the world that F-16 is the best rate fighter in DCS. It ain't by a longshot. He brings in opponents whom he can beat.

[@Adrianricky004]

@@abhassharma1468 they might be a little biased but they’re interesting to watch either way

[@abhassharma1468]

@@Adrianricky004 that's the whole point. ED earns most of its money from the West, hence it has to keep it's customers pleased. None of the Soviet jets receive any performance upgrade, for that matter most of them are grossly underpowered in DCS, and even the Wikipedia stats of these jets don't match their performance displayed by ED. But the only thing being dedicated players have found ways and devised tactics against the western fighters in DCS. To tell you the truth, there are many players including me who got into DCS due to GS and after a few hours in the game you realise how much of a liar he is. FYI GS can't even handle the slightly above average skilled opponents, forget the top notch. For eg he says F-16 outrated Flanker on the deck, the fact is the Flanker has got so much lift and AoA that it can comfortably sit inside the turn circle of a F-16 forever.

[@_cyantist]

@@abhassharma1468 just because you are sitting inside an opponents turn circle doesn't mean you can stay there. by definition the only way you can stay in position on an opponent is by out-rating them. there's no way that an aircraft can sit inside another aircrafts turn circle forever unless they are out-rating that other aircraft. either the flanker can outrate the viper in dcs or it cant sit inside the turn circle forever. pick one you cant have both.

[@knightonwarbeck1969]

Kindly send this video to the Malaysian Air Force. Seems they are having a bit of trouble ACM against their own Hornets. On behalf of the Singapore Air Force, do not send this video to the Malaysian Air Force.

[@muhammadsaleh7229]

Your friend was not properly competing with you . I suggest doing a dogfight with growling sidewinder . That dude knows the strengths of the planes you give him

[@ChristianNelsonn]

"The nose of the Flanker is quite sluggish to react. I have complained to the devs about that... they need to improve the responsiveness." Basing this on what, exactly?

[@CommandT]

Many real world airshow display videos where you can see how the aircraft moves around and points, and also from general principles of flying airplanes on the whole. Obviously I have never flown as real Su-30 but some things are obvious to me as a real world pilot and as an aeronautical engineer. No pilot would accept such sluggish and laggy response from the flight controls. I’m not saying I know how it is in real life but I know how it isn’t.

[@camencowogh8333]

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[@scoobsshrooms109]

@@CommandT have you tried replicating what you saw in the videos at the correct speeds? if not it is kind of baseless. they could be at different fuel weights and simply have far more experience in piloting their craft than you.

[@Geniy_B_Kvadrate_XD_ua]

@@scoobsshrooms109usually, they do those maneuvers at +-50% fuel. Also, those pilots who do it are very experienced and they do it on speeds that are way slower than actual dogfighting speeds

[@mab2187]

Su-30SM vs Su-57 and Su-47. Who's the better dogfighter?

[@RedTail1-1]

Well in all objective reality the 57 is just an Su-30(which is just a TV Su-27) that's been designed to mimick the F-22 as much as possible without flat out copying it. The only real difference is that the 57 has a slightly better RCS and more surface area generating lift. So the 57 'should' win every time. As for the 47, there is no way to know. We have next to no data on what it could do other than speculation based on it's design.

[@CommandT]

Su-57 has absolutely nothing to do with the Su-30, and has about as much in common with an F-22, as the MiG-25 does with an F-15. It was never designed to “mimick” an F-22. It has a broadly similar shape and that’s about it.

[@FlavioSantos-uw1mr]

Su-47 would be an interesting thing, unfortunately we don't know its capabilities, but it's not like we know about most of these modern fighters anyway. SU-47 does not have TV but has the advantage in low speed and high angle of attack because of its wings. I wonder if they would have given it TV if it had continued in development.

[@mab2187]

@@RedTail1-1 Sorry but, the Felon is just not a "Flanker" its a completely different aircraft. You can go watch Millenium to know more about it, he's covered jets in-depth. Furthermore, I've seen mods of Felon and Berkut in DCS so I was hoping to see some duels. As basic it may be.

[@user-qq8ek4zs4s]

8:10 No Hornet should be able to outaccelerate an AL-31FP equiped Su-30 as the flanker has superior T/W .

[@CommandT]

As I’ve mentioned in the fight title, that Hornet started with 60% fuel and no pylons at all. Flanker was heavy. Hence the difference.

[@3dmax911]

some times a non real life pilot kick a** a real life fighter pilot in a DCS fight witch is a real SIM fight and if this pilot went to air force or navy maybe he became an ACE because he has all the mind talent that an ACE needs

[@anthonyb5279]

Active duty fighter pilots are not allowed to fly for KZbin videos. Again you are full of shit.

[@RedTail1-1]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about... Seems like all you do is watch his videos to act like you know better and to talk crap... Get a hobby.

[@CommandT]

Hahahaha. Ok… 😆

[@anthonyb5279]

@@RedTail1-1 No I actually make the real sims real fighter pilots use to train. You gamers think your hobby makes you pros like me and it does not. We know our own and you guys are just gamers lying about your creads.

[@anthonyb5279]

@@CommandT Its true unlike X-Plane is "only used for development" When Austin Col. Smith and I were done with the JSF prototype simulator used in development. We then made the production version. Even Frasca uses X-Plane now for about a decade and they don't do flight test programs. If I'm watching videos a lot its only because Im in bed recovering form cancer. Next time your at Oshkosh stop by and ill show you a real sim. Oh wait your not really a pilot and are never going to Oshkosh so never mind. Fucking gamers !

[@anthonyb5279]

@@CommandT Ok so censorship. Not surprised! Don't like Free Speech or the truth. What a stack of shit. You are absolutely as phony as I said.

[@Bulgarian_Lil_Biggie]

In theory anything is possible, but in reality... In theory you can kill him with voodoo spell, but in reality...