Fighter Pilot (F-15C) Vs Airline Pilot (MiG-29A) - DCS Death Match

[@pd28cat]

[@tommyiseppi6276]

Why force feedback stick improve performance?

[@pd28cat]

@@tommyiseppi6276 Makes your biceps bigger

[@tommyiseppi6276]

@@pd28cat ah yes right

[@Overkill06]

You gotta remember for the fighter pilot, this is just another day. For the airline pilot it's like,...... YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

[@S0n1cB00m4]

When the civilian airliner fights back

[@CommandT]

💪

[@ilovewater2.026]

Great video as always! Love the tacview breakdown at the end. Keep up the good work man!

[@CommandT]

Thanks!! 🙏

[@swedishbones8937]

Don't mess with an airline pilot! 😊

[@CommandT]

🤙

[@pd28cat]

Said the building

[@ntakadzenimulaudzi6169]

aerobatics pilot is more accurate

[@omerkurt9406]

I hope they make cheaper force feedback sticks soon

[@CommandT]

I’m sure it’s a matter of time 🙂

[@Newbie101-iq6yq]

Thrustmastet t flight hotas

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

I’m gonna guess he either flies a typhoon or a gripen

[@StefBelgium]

Without knowing who he is, I don t see the point of hiding the plane he s flying.

[@spider_corsa]

@@StefBelgium I think, too much time in a not certified simulator could poison the habits of a real fighter pilot who depends on their muscle memories in a fast reaction time environment like a fighter jet, I don't surprise if its kinda forbidden for them.

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

@@spider_corsa it’s more forbidden for the fact that they can get in trouble for revealing certain tactics or info of like missile ranges and stuff by accident

[@adamwright9741]

May I suggest that if you are going to have those two screens on one side, that you move the main display over a little bit so that we can enjoy the middle of what you're doing and not just only mainly seeing one side.

[@CommandT]

That won’t really work. If I do that then you’ll get massive black patch s at the top and bottom as the main picture would have to shrink. Otherwise I’d have to cut the right side off. It’s a compromise but at least this way you always see where the bandit is and I don’t see an issue with covering some part of the left screen.

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

I suspect he was gambling that you’d miss the shot, allowing him to carry the separation he created into the vertical again - having just bled your speed through a combination of you climbing to meet him and pulling for the shot - allowing him to then effectively energy trap you. But without extending first the energy discrepancy wouldn’t have been there to make it work. Would be interesting to see how different it would’ve been if you’d missed. …Couldn’t you just ask him though? He stopped manoeuvring in relation to you which is generally only done when losing visual or intentionally separating to reset the fight or regain energy, but I don’t think he lost vis because from the TacView there would’ve been constant line of sight from the cockpit. I do also think that force feedback is giving you an edge that is hard to translate on screen, which might’ve accounted for him having a harder time reading the energy - not because he can’t see it but because he can’t “feel” it like you can so might be making assumptions based on his own lack of sensation. TrackIR Vs. 1:1 tracking from reality or a VR headset can also skew your perception of angles at times as well due to difference in FOV, it’s possible a cross over shot like the one you made would be much more difficult if made without head tracking; if his FOV was wide during that time, because he was zoomed out further, he might not have recognised the risk. There are too many variables in the control set ups alone before you even get to the actual geometry of the fight lol. Just ask him! 😂

[@CommandT]

Yeah tbh I also don’t think he lost sight. He certainly didn’t mention that. I think it was just a BFM error. Exactly why it happened doesn’t really matter at this point. Regarding FFB - maybe partly true though! And I have also noticed I was better in VR than in 2D back when I had VR! I think my friend is getting a VR headset at some point in the not too distant future so it’ll be interesting to see the difference in performance.

[@easy4life23.]

Vast majority of airline pilots are retired airforce so he is most likely also a airforce pilot

[@easy4life23.]

Just speculation

[@CommandT]

I am not a retired air force pilot 😅

[@archimedesfromteamfortress2]

I mean he is an aerobatic pilot

[@maulaahmad2542]

The trails on the plane's tails is so beautiful

[@keithbriscoe99]

Generally f15 is a bfm monster in DCs, in my experience

[@airsongfly]

Great video ! I’ve been flying B737 too and enjoying DCS, BMS :)

[@CommandT]

Oh nice! 👌

[@knightonwarbeck1969]

Your Eurofighter driving friend was feeling good about himself at 6:55... too good. Decided to "come off his meds" and terribly attempt to say hello. 1. He has good energy management keeping himself well away from you biding his time until you made a mistake; it never came. 2. His goal was to run you out of gas? "Promotion Through Attrition". Promoted to "Legendary Hero" during 5:00 pm Friday Beer Call at The Mess. A kill is a kill. High hopes indeed. 3. Watched an F-15 training documentary years ago, class instructor said if you keep the Eagle at 450 knots, you will defeat the MIG-29. It appears he was/is right. Mr. Typhoon just so happened to watch this documentary? 4. F-16 vs MIG-29 reports are similar. The Viper will "push" the Fulcrum all over the sky until *doom on you* time. Seems the Eagle can do the same (>450 kts). Really enjoy these 1 v 1 videos. Thanks kindly. The EJ200 is a low-bypass engine, something like .3 or .4... essentially a leaky turbojet. Should give the Eurofighter excellent high altitude performance. Ditto for the F-22's F-119s; .4. Watched an interview of a Raptor pilot. He was Mach 2 at 60,000ft, 5-10 degrees nose up and accelerating. I suspect similar performance for the Eurofighter. Ask your Eurofighter friend if he could catch my late, F-104 driving father, up at 70,000ft and Mach 2+.

[@KingMen1Force]

Hm, looking at your 3rd point, I dunno how accurate that is. From the E-M charts I've seen the Fulcrum at 430 knots rates better than the Eagle at 450 knots. But judging how the Eagle was keeping better speeds throughout the vertical fight maybe that instructor meant it in a vertical fight? Either way in that situation what mostly matters is pilot skill, since you will be able to force the fight you want to fight easier if you're more skilled than the opponent.

[@knightonwarbeck1969]

@@KingMen1Force The F15 instructor was limited in what he said/could say on camera. Sadly, all I got was "... if you keep it at 450 knots you will WAX the MIG-29." Yeah, very vague. Perhaps he meant DO NOT GET SLOW??? Could the E-M charts available to the public are not accurate, the real E-M charts are classified? Give the "enemy" false information so when the time comes for the merge, the J or SU or MIG pilot has already lost?

[@aztec0112]

I don't know for sure, but it looks like he tried to execute a barrel roll or "rollaway" attack. He appears to be stuck in lag, so he pulls up, rolls in the opposite direction, pulls over the top, reposition his nose in lead and comes back down in lead pursuit. It was reportedly quite effective against agile low T/W in the SEA like the MiG-17. Obviously, it risks losing sight, but he'd be dropping down on you in lead. Problem is, he didn't account for the near energy parity provided by the - 29's engines. I've read the counter to the high yo-yo, the rollaway and the barrel roll is to pull up into it. A low T/W fighter simply pulling g's in the turn probably would not have the energy to counter his move. But your MiG did so quite easily. Might have been different with heaters.

[@arizonasean7198]

In Star Wars the fighters have mines they release that blow up stuff behind them. Like a mid air depth charge. Or like a smart missile, so if they are behind they drop down and back up protecting the rear. Expanse tv show does that creative use of missiles well, in like one battle where they time it to blind enemy ship, then do the hard reverse. Obvious a lot of programming errors by militaries failing to add extra functioning to the aircraft munitions to handle such.

[@obic123]

You need to use off offbore or hz scan and lock to get the dif symbology

[@CommandT]

Vertical scan always worked perfectly so I’ve no idea what happened this time.

[@STARKILLER15100]

what game is this? ima have to invest in this it looks fun ASF and since i started playing war thunder planes i wanna get a more in depth understanding of aerial combat

[@CommandT]

DCS World 👍

[@MrGeneralPB]

well, he could have lost track of you or as you said, wanted to try something new

[@CommandT]

Yep exactly!

[@ug636]

Typhoon VS

[@CommandT]

Maybe once I t comes to DCS!

[@robertkalinic335]

You could have him locked with helmet sight entire time...

[@CommandT]

And how would that benefit me? There’s no missiles here

[@mash_35-E]

Wait I dont understand hes gonna fly an modernised flanker for the nato??

[@zloychechen5150]

he says his jet can beat a thrust-vectoring flanker.

[@lint3506]

The NATO pilot flies a "powerful 4th generation fighter better than any thrust-vectoring flanker in a doghfight" so... most likely the eurofighter typhoon

[@mash_35-E]

@@lint3506 Oh thanks, I understood AN tvc flanker, not better THEN. But how exactly is the typhoon better? Like extreme aoa (which the flanker should be superior in thanks to the tvc) plus high of boresight fox-2s is as dangerous as it gets or not?

[@CommandT]

With fox 2s I don’t think any non-thrust vectoring jet will beat a flanker with TVC.

[@okakokakiev787]

​@@lint3506 Maybe he can beat su30 but not r73 😂

[@tmting4942]

let it be the mighty SMT

[@CommandT]

The SMT will be worse in a dogfight. Same engines, draggier airframe and heavier

[@enyakk]

Why no ACM?

[@CommandT]

What do you mean? Do you mean missiles?

[@zloychechen5150]

if you do mean missiles, it's as to not reveal tactics, which is classified. Obviously, noone knows for sure, for instance, the energy characteristics of their adversary's missiles, but fighter pilots have _some_ data on that. So their actions in DCS might indicate that pilot's airforce's knowledge on the missiles. And the airforce doesn't want their enemy to know what they know. I think GS did a fight with a French fighter dude, and that dude spoke about it somewhere, he has his own channel.

[@CommandT]

I think this is mostly to do with BVR, Fox3. Not close combat with Fox2s.

[@KyriakosDeTravlo]

Out of curiosity, why dont you fly the f16 in dcs ?

[@CommandT]

Mostly because my own home simulator set up does not cater for a side-stick. And I find it immersion-breaking using a centre stick to fly a jet that uses a side-stick. That’s basically why. Nothing against the F-16 at all. Maybe one day I will add a side-stick to my sim pit

[@KyriakosDeTravlo]

@@CommandT makes sense

[@Hurricane-013]

Привет, найс видео, а почему до этого российскую раскраску не использовал?

[@CommandT]

👍 Пока идёт война, все раскраски с ВВС/ВКС использовать в видео не буду.

[@roman335i]

​@@CommandTой бля 😂😂

[@theeraphatsunthornwit6266]

All lost to some call of duty pilot😂

[@RedStarDCS]

Did u see „soon „ FF mig-29😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅hopefully 2025

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

Well now that’s got me thinking. Aircraft that could beat a TV Flanker isn’t long. F-22 for the Americans, but something tells me he’s not American. In Europe, there’s the Hornet (but a Hornet pilot would really have to work for that kill, and it would be an uphill battle). The Eurofighter could handily beat a Flanker, but it’s not optimized for wrestling to the deck. It’s a kick boxer, high and fast. (Edit: someone said somewhere that he’s a Eurofighter pilot, but I don’t actually know the truth, will continue to speculate). That leaves the Rafale, which aside the from the Raptor is the one fighter that I think of that crushes the one circle. I don’t expect a reaction. I want your friend’s privacy respected, as do we all. I’m just thinking out loud here.

[@DanielAtHome1]

defo eurofighter

[@-Hari-03]

defo rafale. rafale dominates at low speeds, better than the EUF

[@DanielAtHome1]

@@-Hari-03 so ur saying hes 100% french? how many other countries fly the euf there is way more possibility.

[@roman335i]

Hes opponent is a NATO clown pilot who will never fly against Flanker with TV but hey, whi cares 😂

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@roman335i he said the plane he flies could best a Flanker. He left his own individual skills out of it, not that it matters since NATO skills are way higher than Russians.

[@shapulke-debile]

f18 pilot

[@CommandT]

Nope

[@Holoiste]

@@CommandT Rafale pilot

[@jettblack9696]

f-22

[@CommandT]

Well I did say he flies a powerful 4th gen fighter so that would by definition exclude the F-22 😉

[@krylatich]

29 is the worst 4gen fighter in a bfm scenario in dcs if the fuel loads are consistent with equal max afterburner time for both aircraft

[@CommandT]

Not sure I agree on that at all.

[@RedTail1-1]

​@@CommandTme either. Not sure where he got that idea.

[@СергейНикольский-я2ц]

⁠​⁠@@RedTail1-1probably in WT cause in that game 29 actually is one of the worst 4th gen’s in BFM/WVR (can compete only with heavy asf 16D Barak II and with the Su-27S(arguably, imo it can’t but some say it can))