Common mixing mistakes and audio myths demystified: Stop the High Pass Filters Madness HPF explained

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First in a series of videos in which we'll try to
demystify audio myths,
explain mixing advice that we feel are misunderstood by many
and fix common bad practices we see spread around on audio forums, blogs etc..
In this video, HPF, High Pass Filters done right. You might think there are no consequences or bad side effects when you HPF everything in your mix, well, that's definitely not the case!
HPF yes, but do it right
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@mixbustv
@mixbustv 3 жыл бұрын
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@joshuaconnor9012
@joshuaconnor9012 3 жыл бұрын
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@ArsalanKhanBabar
@ArsalanKhanBabar 9 жыл бұрын
"Do not do anything by default." Best advice for all artists.
@TheHardRage13
@TheHardRage13 6 жыл бұрын
So by default he meant dont use the same high pass settings all the time?
@ObesityStupidity
@ObesityStupidity 6 жыл бұрын
I'm newbie in EDM. Recently I found myself doing default stuff. I used a lot of EQs, filters, compressors probably on every channel. So, my CPU usage was extremely high. But the fun thing is, I opened my old projects up and deleted all the default stuff(except really necessary) and mixes started to sound better(or not worse). Now I start to understand that mixing can't save bad track. But if it's good, proper mixing can seriously improve it.
@bigtproductionszambia9480
@bigtproductionszambia9480 5 жыл бұрын
True
@acidbath3226
@acidbath3226 5 жыл бұрын
if its a good enough mix, it doesn't even really need to be messed with in the master bus.
@jose2323
@jose2323 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheHardRage13 Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he's talking about when people get in the habit of adding a high pass filter on every kick, bass, snare before they can even hear the mix. If it sounds like you need a high pass on a snare or hat, create a bus channel with your high pass instead of going to each individual track adding separate high pass filters.
@TheFatRat
@TheFatRat 8 жыл бұрын
The highpass thing really depends on the kind of music that you make. On electronic music I even highpass the different layers of distorted bass sounds and replace the low end with a pure sine. So when I mute the kick and the sine bass there is nothing below 80Hz. That way the subwoofer gets pure sine waves. Subs love sine waves, you know :-)
@aaronortega1716
@aaronortega1716 6 жыл бұрын
How much do you high-pass your bass?
@matanzaoscura9296
@matanzaoscura9296 6 жыл бұрын
Totally agree.
@georginikolov1141
@georginikolov1141 6 жыл бұрын
With every genre it's an issue use plugin doctor and just see when u boost and low cut.. Absolute mess. That's why edm sounds like crap.. Overprocessed over equied use instead filters if u want to get rid of bass or highs
@lerager
@lerager 6 жыл бұрын
That’s completely unnecessary. Taken to the extreme, a distorted bass is approximately a square wave. A square wave is just a sum of sinusoidal components. The fundamental, e.g 50 Hz, and then the third, fifth, seventh etc. harmonic. So with crossovers in the sound system and everything, what you really should be saying is: subs won’t be reproducing anything but sine waves, even when feeding distorted bass to the system
@reptilespantoso
@reptilespantoso 5 жыл бұрын
sure, but there's the possibilty you're fukcing with the phase alignment of the bass.
@jundrix3675
@jundrix3675 4 жыл бұрын
'If you cut everything down there we get rid of a lot of energy.' - Yep!
@arnavkaushal1005
@arnavkaushal1005 3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who got the pun XD or there was no pun 😅
@trancevoyagesessions
@trancevoyagesessions 8 жыл бұрын
I cut at 190000000hz only Bats Dolphins and the next generation of nuclear Subs can hear my tunes
@Kidraver555
@Kidraver555 8 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha.
@vatoworld2150
@vatoworld2150 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@Jurazgar1
@Jurazgar1 5 жыл бұрын
Jajajaja genial.
@daryllwilson8503
@daryllwilson8503 5 жыл бұрын
PMSL>>>>>>>>
@cascatomarecordings3907
@cascatomarecordings3907 5 жыл бұрын
One thing to try is to boost up there, your tunes will open up a bit and sound expensive!
@finngnarnia3208
@finngnarnia3208 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny how the guy is just saying, "high passing is great, just use it properly" and everyone is getting butthurt. He is helping you all get a good mix. Phase issues are a new engineers nightmare. If a new engineer does it by default because some guy on KZbin says to cut everything then they are gonna be beating themselves up wondering why their mix is falling apart. It is great advice. If you are getting offended by a guy trying to help you out, maybe you need an ego check.
@OK-ei7io
@OK-ei7io 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen some videos from In the Mix recommending high passing above 20hz by default, is this okay? We don’t need anything below that because we can’t hear it, and I don’t want it removing headroom. Obviously I wouldn’t high pass like 80hz by default but is what I’m doing okay?
@finngnarnia3208
@finngnarnia3208 4 жыл бұрын
@@OK-ei7io honestly highpassing at 80 isn't bad in itself depending on the instrument. High-passing rolls down to 0 it doesnt cut at 80. That means cutting at 20 rolls down to 0 which only controls the very very low frequencies under 10 depending on the curve. I would say get an analyzer and see if there is any buildup down there. Download voxenga span. It is very helpful and free. Check your mic's frequency response too. There is a good chance that your mic doesn't even pick up anything that low so cutting at 20 wouldn't really change anything unless there were a lot of artifacts down there. If you want to adapt the cutting at 20 rule then do it on a master group channel or the actual master channel at the end. Messing with eq too much can mess up your phase which in turn can cause some big headaches in the future. If you are using a synth, high-passing is only needed to shape the sound to clean it up and fit it in a mix by giving bass more room. If you record a vocal, high-passing can take out possible mic stand hits or low frequency pops from the "P" sound. If you are highpassing a guitar track you can literally pull it as far as you need to isolate it over the bass. For guitar just remember you want to feel some bass of the guitar to 1. Make the instruments feel like they're still in the same place and 2. So you can still feel the hit and body of the notes. There is a lot of misinformation online from people copy and pasting mixing tips. The thing to remember about mixing is that there is no standard, no magic numbers and every genre, instrument and song needs different numbers. That is why learning by ear is so important. High-passing is totally fine in any situation, just remember to always check your phase. If your phase is doing fine, go nuts with your high-passing just remember that lots of instruments benefit from having a balanced low end over having no low end. Send me a message if you'd like some advice for your specific situation.
@1acidwash
@1acidwash 3 жыл бұрын
Haha well said. I'm not surprised David is getting fed up. He is just trying to help and people are trying to shit on him. I guarantee his mixes are better than all these complainers combined.
@A1CLGroup
@A1CLGroup 3 жыл бұрын
Simp
@808ross8
@808ross8 3 жыл бұрын
@@OK-ei7io I sometimes even push it to 30 and it sounds ok but ye, humans can't really hear that sound but be careful and don't cut too much, I usually do that cut during the mastering stage, but cutting too much takes away a lot of the energy
@PlayTheGuitarra
@PlayTheGuitarra 4 жыл бұрын
I actually found that using a low shelve cleans My tracks much more and removes mud much better than high-passing... I have tried this with the tracks of my first album which were poorly recorded and suddenly applying a low shelve cleaned My guitars and made them appear much more clearly in one move than applying a high-pass, a Bell at 220hz a low pass to remove hiss and a bell to Boost the highs, suddenly I could get almost the same tone on My guitars but sounding much more clearly and natural just by cutting the lows by ear with a low shelve. To me it was a Game changer
@ChenBoi
@ChenBoi 8 жыл бұрын
'Don't mix by default' is a really good tip to keep in mind. Thanks for the info this is a great video!
@dvnybeats9608
@dvnybeats9608 7 жыл бұрын
MIXING DOESN'T HAVE RULES! IT HAS GUIDELINES.
@bobleglob162
@bobleglob162 5 жыл бұрын
One rule should be: don't sound like shit. Bass drowning out everything else violates this rule, yet a lot of sound guys are stupid about it.
@kbmsmania5053
@kbmsmania5053 4 жыл бұрын
Bob LeGlob I am guy
@paulminter3511
@paulminter3511 4 жыл бұрын
@@bobleglob162 even if you sound like shit you may have bunch of followers came to listen to your "weird, but interesting" music
@bobleglob162
@bobleglob162 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulminter3511 any music you can't really hear can't be that interesting.
@bobleglob162
@bobleglob162 4 жыл бұрын
@@kbmsmania5053 why?
@dwayneyule1987
@dwayneyule1987 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, the most solid 12 mins of mix advice I've had the pleasure of listening to!! Thank you, you rock!!
@ray-sl5qb
@ray-sl5qb 7 жыл бұрын
"Don't do anything by default" single greatest device I've ever heard
@OK-ei7io
@OK-ei7io 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a very amateur producer, so sorry if I’m doing something really wrong, but: Is it okay to high pass below 20hz by default? We can’t hear those frequencies and I don’t want it taking up headroom, and I’m not mixing a genre where a lot of sub is beneficial. Obviously I wouldn’t high pass below 80hz or something by default, but is what I’m doing okay?
@xnervemusic
@xnervemusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@OK-ei7io yes you can!
@berrie-music
@berrie-music 9 жыл бұрын
"If you cut everything 'down there' you will lose a lot of energy." As a male, I totally agree with that statement ;)
@davidlee9532
@davidlee9532 3 жыл бұрын
based and manpilled
@arttheboy
@arttheboy 9 жыл бұрын
You gotta watch the entire video, or you'll never use a high pass again
@seanotes3594
@seanotes3594 4 жыл бұрын
Basically every mixing decision should have a purpose. I’ve been mixing for almost 10 years and I just learned to stop using plugins just to try and make the plugin shine when it should be the song that shines. I have so many fancy plugins that I automatically reach for them and put them on mixbuses but I tried a test exporting with all plugins then taking most of them off that didn’t serve a specific need and volume matching and I was shocked at the percentage of songs that sounded better when I took off a lot of plugins. Adding plugins just because they are nice will most likely not improve it. So i’d say the biggest thing I’ve learned as an engineer is to only make decisions based off of need and not by default like you said. Great advice.
7 жыл бұрын
Instant subscribe from me. Most channels show you how to mix something but never explain why you should do the following things and what that does. Keep up the work!
@chasetheconnect8252
@chasetheconnect8252 4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone said it. Energy is important, just because you don't see doesn't mean you don't feel it. This can really save you years of headaches from mixing.
@rickspyder6159
@rickspyder6159 9 жыл бұрын
Holy Shit, This is exactly the frustration i have with mixs. thinking i'm doing the right thing whith HPF. Can't wait to try it. I also remember bringing up an earlier version to grab a clip and thinkin. Shit the old one sounded better so now i'm trying to recreate that sound by removing plugins later. Now i just trash all plugs and start over with the current version ....who's with me on this one
@blueslsd
@blueslsd 5 жыл бұрын
Lost days doing this, stated again cropped al lot off stuff out and ended with a better mix!! phase issues are like chickens they all come home to roost.
@FuzzFace80
@FuzzFace80 9 жыл бұрын
I've had a sneaky suspicion of this for years, but every single video I've ever seen regarding mixing has said that you should HP all tracks except kick and bass. I'm gonna try a different approach on my next mix and see how it turns out. Thanks for the advice man!
@tbear9353
@tbear9353 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for providing some really important info, and for clarifying issues that most tutorials leave out. I admire you for having the balls to go beyond the usual fare, and actually teach something that gets to the heart of an issue, instead of just offering a one-size-fits-all solution. Cheers, homie.
@valeriorizzotti
@valeriorizzotti 10 ай бұрын
100% agree
@godofspacetime333
@godofspacetime333 4 жыл бұрын
I seriously did not know that EQs will cause phase shifting like that... that changes everything.
@beto1glez
@beto1glez 2 жыл бұрын
I learn a lot in 10 minutes
@NoQualmsTheArtist
@NoQualmsTheArtist 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't really, we have been using minimum phase EQs for a 100 years with no problems! Anybody who mixed on analog equipment will laugh at all this BS. The phase shift is what gives an EQ it's tone, it's the reason why we love certain EQs. Phase shift isn't a bad thing it's the mojo, you just have to know how to use it to your advantage.
@erinburke9711
@erinburke9711 7 жыл бұрын
The trick is to use a gentler slope on the HP so the low end cut is gradually blended into the higher frequencies. Try a single pole (6db/oct) HP and watch your mixes instantly improve.
@erinburke9711
@erinburke9711 7 жыл бұрын
I do happen to high pass almost every track and I get my mixes sounding loud, full and clear using this technique.
@Embowafa2004
@Embowafa2004 2 жыл бұрын
I have more recently been using a lot of 6db hp. It’s nice how high you can cut above the fundamental before it’s apparent to the ear.
@Embowafa2004
@Embowafa2004 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t know why but I love that linear phase ringing sound.
@HollerAtcherBoi
@HollerAtcherBoi 11 ай бұрын
More of an 8/9db per octave guy myself, but I agree haha
@buraktulbentci1787
@buraktulbentci1787 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. This was a very useful tutorial. I've been making these mistakes for a while now.
@ianbalasabas789
@ianbalasabas789 3 жыл бұрын
You're really a miracle man... The clarity of your speaking is unparalled... In 1000 reviews i've watch... You are the best of the best of the best...
@jasperdunn
@jasperdunn 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! These videos are by far the best mixing advice I have found on the web! Excellent stuff!
@gooshie3
@gooshie3 4 жыл бұрын
Often, softening the lows with a gentle shelf is much more effective than high passing in my experience.
@Jupiter1423
@Jupiter1423 4 жыл бұрын
A cut in the low mids often fixes what u think is a low end problem. A cut in the high mids often fixes what u think if a high end problem. Forwhatever reason people think u can to hp and lp everything and it sounds awful.
@ericktellez7632
@ericktellez7632 Жыл бұрын
@@Jupiter1423 yeah i believe its called mirrored EQ, taking from a region adds to the region next to it, like cutting in the low mids like 200 - 400 hz helps a lot the mid highs sound clearer, so you dont need to boost it.
@Jupiter1423
@Jupiter1423 Жыл бұрын
@@ericktellez7632 i honestly focus on sourcing so i barely use eq or compression anyways
@boobo3763
@boobo3763 Жыл бұрын
@@Jupiter1423 I'm in the same boat -My goal is always to EQ as much as possible with the mics anyway. Ideal for me is pull up the faders and have that be the mix. Done. Buuut -I'm a big fan of some parametric EQ, for sure it really brings the mix to another level -Especially if you're working with less than ideal mics...
@andrewatwill6856
@andrewatwill6856 Жыл бұрын
This is really good. There needs to be more videos online like this. Almost every "buzz" mix authority is so busy telling everyone what to do. If a person lives long enough, they work out that often knowing what not to do is more important. If everyone knew in every scenario what not to do, then everything else would be ok.
@MrCaZzzle
@MrCaZzzle 7 жыл бұрын
Wow just discovered your channel 1 hour ago and I really like this video, the video addressing high-passes and your channel in general. Finally some critical voices between the static! Please continue sharing this useful information. I totally dig it. Cheers!
@djmedulla4494
@djmedulla4494 4 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I have seen on this subject. Thank you for taking the time to make this it helped a lot.
@DiverZityVang
@DiverZityVang 9 жыл бұрын
"If you can't hear it, you can't mix it." That's the quote of the day.
@willischirwa3992
@willischirwa3992 6 жыл бұрын
I got the LoCut advise from a mastering engineer who has a name in the industry. His name is Friedemann Tischmeyer. He published one of the first mixing in the box books years back. You can read it there.( F. Tischmeyer, Internal Mixing, pp. 142; 206) He suggests exactly what you call bullshit. Locut on everything that is not Bass or Bassdrum. And to do it multiple times even. Up to four locut instances for vocals eg. On the microphone, on the pre amp, on the individual channel and on the vocal group channel again. Acoustic guitars in case you just want the hi end can take locut at around 250 Hz (cf p142 as well) The only reason that you instead have to call it b.s. is the phase shifts that you may encounter. Hello? Every non linear phase eq will have this "problem" Thats why there are linear phase eqs on the market if you want one. But in the vast majority of cases we do not even want one!!!! We want the phase shifts, my friend. Examples of famous non linear phase eqs wanted? Manley Massive Passive, Pultec, etc I have seen the reference list of artists that Tischmeyer mixed or mastered. And he is also a known adviser of broadcasting international on the mere technical aspect of audio and if I remember it correctly was on the team of the EBU that provided the new loudness industry standards. In short he is an acclaimed audio expert. I benefitted a lot from the locut advice. My bass section became not only more defined but also more powerful without the mud from the other tracks. I do not know your name or your reference lists of artists that you have mixed. Just shouting bullhit on youtube is not enough to shake trusted mixing techniques followed by many.
@willischirwa3992
@willischirwa3992 6 жыл бұрын
Perfectly right. I absolutely don´t know what is the point of your video. When you say don´t hipass everything except for bassdrum and bass by default, it is the exact opposite of what Tischmeyer says, when he suggests exactly that BY DEFAULT. That is MY POINT. One thing for reconciliation: There is some good advice in your video, but it is hidden, because you create the impression that you call locutting everything other than bass and bassdrum bullshit. Which it is definitely not. The good advice is varying the locut point. Even more so because some eqs have a hump before the cutting point. But don´t forget, the locut that is built in in the mic, is always fixed. Some pre amp locuts are also. I used them anyway. The benefit is far greater than the "damage" done. And I dont also criticize the multi mic situation where grouping before locutting is useful.
@miasampaoli7587
@miasampaoli7587 6 жыл бұрын
Yes you are so right Mister Willi. This clearly a click bait video to make himself feel important
@proverbalizer
@proverbalizer 4 жыл бұрын
Willi Schirwa I think doing it multiple times may be like using serial compression, a few 12 db/oct cuts may do less damage than a super steep cut
@igypop8365
@igypop8365 4 жыл бұрын
Willi Schirwa wer ist Tischmeyer? Hab sein Buch selbst und finde es war rausgeschmissenes Geld.
@JiihaaS
@JiihaaS 4 жыл бұрын
Even if someone with reputation says you need to do something by default, doesn't necessarily mean that. I find it very, very odd to suggest that you absolutely need to high pass everything but the bass and the bass drum. The frequency content of a track depends on so many things that it's virtually impossible to make rules to how to eq it! It depends on the instrument itself (even two of the same kind are likely to sound different) and how it's played, the type of mic that was used, and in what kind of room, from which distance and angle... The factors are so many that everything just depends. Yes, in many cases high passing does help, and that's why mics and preamps have the option. But there's a reason they also have the option to turn it off!
@soundgenius9226
@soundgenius9226 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your tips and time mixbusTv always grateful we have you to point out the trendy flaws.
@rubenbekkevold4455
@rubenbekkevold4455 9 жыл бұрын
So glad I finally found someone that can explain in more detail what is really going on when you EQ or other types of processing. Hope you will continue with these vids! Great job!
@valeriorizzotti
@valeriorizzotti 10 ай бұрын
A serious and deep explanation. Finally
@Berke-lz5tf
@Berke-lz5tf 3 жыл бұрын
I've been doing the same low cut EQ to all elements except kick and bass in all the mixes I've done so far. At the end of the day, my mixes were always messing up. I think the reason is clear lol. thank you very much
@geirisk8
@geirisk8 8 жыл бұрын
Dude, when I saw the video title, I was prepared to not agree with you because I do a lot of high pass (I find it very useful when doing live sound engineering) but your reasons and explanations are valid and make good sense. You opened my eyes, even though I kinda knew this but had gotten myself into the "high pass by default" mode. Thanks for a great video, you got yourself a subscriber!
@geirisk8
@geirisk8 8 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate! I'll be watching more of your stuff soon!
@Ch0yc3z
@Ch0yc3z 8 жыл бұрын
You're providing some of the best, and most clearly explained mixing and production info on KZbin. Thanks for sharing your expertise
@jkhan337
@jkhan337 8 жыл бұрын
this was really great! thank you! I shared it to my recording school colleagues.
@ErnestXFX
@ErnestXFX 8 жыл бұрын
Low cut below 80 to 130Hz is common live mix at outdoor locations. Especially on mics. it carried over into studio for a group of pros.
@wickstorm_records
@wickstorm_records 7 жыл бұрын
Cut below 500hz said no one ever.
@johnmchakeres
@johnmchakeres 7 жыл бұрын
LOL.... let's kill our ears by cutting anything below 2k please so no one can hear music ever again. That is our goal as producers and musicians yeah? ROFLMAO
@DontYaTalkSIlly
@DontYaTalkSIlly 7 жыл бұрын
What about reverbs? Abbey roads cut below even 700 Hz as a default.
@johnmchakeres
@johnmchakeres 7 жыл бұрын
Officer Oink In reverbs I like to cut the low end pretty drastically, but that is an EQ on an EFFECT, not an original signal for a track. There is a huge difference in my opinion.
@DontYaTalkSIlly
@DontYaTalkSIlly 7 жыл бұрын
Jay M. Summers You never cut 1Khz and below from cymbals? Or layer instruments to create a new sound? Really there are countless uses for a hpf.
@johnmchakeres
@johnmchakeres 7 жыл бұрын
Officer Oink "What about reverbs? Abbey roads cut below even 700 Hz as a default." ~ Officer Oink I was just talking about reverb. Of course I use the HPF on cymbals or anything that belongs in the 5k~ range. I was just saying that anything that has reverb is generally going to be in the midrange to highrange spectrum.
@jazzatnight
@jazzatnight 9 жыл бұрын
This is the best mixing advice I've received in awhile . Thanx Mixbus.
@jkilco1
@jkilco1 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you a million times! I've been mixing a track with several mics on guitar cabs and I chose 3 to work with. After 3 days of banging my head on the wall I came across this vid. Started the mix over and had a killer mix in 3 hrs. The other mix wasn't terrible but the guitars weren't as ballsy as the reference tracks I used and I just couldn't figure it out. Much appreciated man!
@Kintu
@Kintu 9 жыл бұрын
Great tip, this is prob one of those things i used to do all the time, and i acatuallty tought it sounded better when i didnt low cut, but since all those producers from future music where sayin it, i just did it, haha, but i stoppet after i accidentally removed all my eq from my busses, and noticed the track i was working all of a sudden became so much fuller and fatter, and this video just confirms that yes, Low end is absoloutly necesarry
@philsackett7341
@philsackett7341 9 жыл бұрын
While I never just high-pass at set frequencies, I have been high-passing almost everything but kick and bass, as recommended by so many. It turns out I was high-passing too much on many of the other instruments. After watching this video, it makes perfect sense to me. Take out a few db if you need to, but don't just lop off the entire spectrum of all your instruments in that range. D'oh! Thanks for the eye-opening info. :)
@WomboBraker
@WomboBraker 7 жыл бұрын
samething, but with electronic music.
@wobbenkaye8176
@wobbenkaye8176 8 жыл бұрын
Absolute gold! Thank you for a brilliantly clear explanation of an often very murky topic. Finally, someone talking sense. There is no one template that one can or should lay over all tracks and all mixes. Keep up the great work, guys.
@a.mielbye
@a.mielbye 7 жыл бұрын
You have some great and insightful advice that I haven't found in the other thousand videos I've watched.. I find bits and pieces here and there, but you have a good way of presenting this information in a relative way. appreciated!
@mixedbybrayz
@mixedbybrayz 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Everybody’s high-passing every track, while on the other side everything sounds harsh af. I’m doing more High-Cuts than High-Pass.
@jjones7837
@jjones7837 3 жыл бұрын
This is Invaluable video. As most of David's are. Common sense. Seeing the waveform phase shift was life changing lol.
@johncarloscaliajr
@johncarloscaliajr 5 жыл бұрын
Hello! This information is the best I’ve seen in a very long time. If some of these people would just keep listening to past the midpoint of your tutorial, they would find a goldmine of information! What you said about phase relationships is so important. I have to admit, I would spend lots of time getting my drums in phase , and time adjustments when needed, and THEN I’d often EQ (low pass) the single channels that I felt needed it. I feel like an idiot! I should’ve at least RE checked the phase after I did that. From now on, I’m going to be doing my major EQing after the snares or bass drums or whatever have been bussed together. Thanks so much for the info!
@ALeBleuMusic
@ALeBleuMusic 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks MixbusTV for this enlightening information and video!
@GroverLee
@GroverLee 8 жыл бұрын
some good advice here. I haven't really seen a whole lot of bad advice since I learned what bad advice was, lol, because I don't need a tutorial on some things like sidechaining or something now. Using my ears has been the solution to my real problems. You can hi pass a lot of things and it be a huge improvement. You can do the same things on another song and it sounds terrible. Every track is different and it's just a matter of treating the problem areas at first, then boosting what needs it, and not all things need boost either. You nailed it on the head when you said "BY DEFAULT". "Default" mixing is mindless.
@erikduijs2723
@erikduijs2723 5 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of great advice and useful information in this vid, but I think the problem is perhaps a bit over emphasized. High-passing is imho still the best tool to shape the low end of your mix and actually help the low end to sound more punchy and pronounced. Yes, phase shifts are a consequence, but it's a very natural one that is not necessarily something to worry about too much. I pretty much never use linear phase EQ because I think it tends to replace a (usually non-) issue with something that's more problematic and unnatural, but ymmv. If I start EQ-ing, cutting super low frequencies that have no real musical information is typically the first thing I do on pretty much any track. Often even the kick drum. If done right, it makes the low end sound fatter and the whole mix louder as a bonus. Adding a low cut at 80Hz or something doesn't really remove anything below 80Hz, a HPF there just shapes what's going on below (and around) there and can actually emphasize a low frequency range while attenuating unnecessary rumble at once. For example: If you want to make 60Hz more pronounced for your kick to make it fatter, add a high-pass filter at 60Hz; if it's not fat enough make the EQ slope steeper (it'll cut more below 60 and emphasize around 60 more). "Don't do anything by default" is fantastic advice in general of course, but high-passing is perhaps not the best example to make that point.
@nicebluejay
@nicebluejay 9 жыл бұрын
great video, looking forward to more.....clear and concise!
@brunoody
@brunoody 4 жыл бұрын
first tip is the best of all tips on the world! i learned this one by suffering so much from lack of energy in my tracks!
@repent1111
@repent1111 2 жыл бұрын
Just absolutely wow over here, this is the actual information that my confused brain needed right now.. I've been doing it the mainstream youtube guide way, and always been in wonder why the track sounds weak after mixing. Thank you. Please make a video on how you would go by attacking such issue. This is surely useful info!
@valeriorizzotti
@valeriorizzotti 10 ай бұрын
Same issues here. And found the solution thanks to this serious explanation.
@sideast
@sideast 5 жыл бұрын
Untreated rooms are usually Bass / Boom Heavy, so when you take your mix out the room it usually results in Disapearance of the bass
@PatMahoneyEnterTrainer
@PatMahoneyEnterTrainer 7 жыл бұрын
Well explained. Loving the channel so far. Thanks for some straight-cut advice :)
@getulioprates
@getulioprates 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely important advice! The best recording/mixing/mastering engineer I know personally told me once to not abuse the High Pass Filter, but I never heard before the phasing issue generated by zero latency eq's. The Linear Phase Eq tip is the gold of this video. I never heard it before!
@michaell.8938
@michaell.8938 9 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation. I'm guilty of the high pass thing.
@sleepisoptional
@sleepisoptional 4 жыл бұрын
very interesting stuff about HFPs and phase shifts in multi-mic setups like live drums. watching this one a few times so it sinks in
@TaiwanGuy1
@TaiwanGuy1 9 жыл бұрын
This is the most informative mixing channel I've found. Thanks a lot for taking the time to make these videos.
@frostmutant4882
@frostmutant4882 9 жыл бұрын
This video made me a fan. Absolutely great! I´ve read several books and many of them had information about phase shifts but none of them made it clear how to deal with it and to actually take it seriously. Most of the time you find information like "yeah high passing shifts phases.. but yeah of course don´t forget to cut the lows on every track as high as you have guts to.." Hope you have a video about those linear phase eq´s too and explain that pre ringing issue with those! haven´t found any decent information about that from anywhere :} Your channel is worth it´s weight in gold!
@EynouxLaStar
@EynouxLaStar 7 жыл бұрын
Frost Mutant will
@DadoSimicStudiostriver
@DadoSimicStudiostriver 8 жыл бұрын
Very useful!Thanks for info.
@DadoSimicStudiostriver
@DadoSimicStudiostriver 8 жыл бұрын
***** I recently mixing few songs and tips from your videos helping me a lot. I like many videos from you guys. Best regards.
@GeekTherapyRadio
@GeekTherapyRadio 7 жыл бұрын
It's all about giving each instrument its own room to breathe and using your ears. Yes, hi-pass on a distorted rock guitar at the appropriate frequency to give the kick and bass their room to breathe in the low-end. This COULD mean cutting below up around 200hz, depending on the material and song, as always.. But let's say it's a clean hollow-body on a jazz track, cutting below 200hz would castrate the guitars and murder the sound of the track. So yes, you'll almost always want to use a hi-pass and a lot of tracks, but as always, the frequency varies wildly. You just have to listen. "Where can I apply the hi-pass that doesn't cut off this instrument track's balls?" As an example, there is never a reason in my mind where, in general, you'd need anything below 60hz on a rock guitar track, or below 300hz-ish hz in the hi-hat, So yes, in general, hi-pass on almost everything. No sense in mixing 24 tracks of mic rumble stacking on top of each other turning the entire track into stale, low-end mud.
@matthewpayauys9889
@matthewpayauys9889 9 жыл бұрын
Man, in my immaturity as a mixer, I was finding impossible phasing problems with my kick and snare mics between my overheads while mixing. They were perfect before mixing. Very helpful. The energy in the low end really does make sense! Thanks!
@AndyKingCo
@AndyKingCo 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very helpful specially the phase changes
@alxitso
@alxitso 7 жыл бұрын
Nice information. I would be interested in a "pre ringing" issue video tho
@joelhisaw
@joelhisaw 9 жыл бұрын
I'd definitely be interested in hearing your thoughts on pre-ringing in linear phase EQ
@dougsheridanmusic
@dougsheridanmusic 8 жыл бұрын
Can't argue with these points, well made. Excellent video again
@els1f
@els1f 8 жыл бұрын
Good points made. I will use this information moving forward. Thanks!
@aleciocosta
@aleciocosta 2 жыл бұрын
As a Mastering engineer for almost 25 years and mastered and technically reported over 650 albums, I would like to comment that I double HPF, once with the analog chain and further, in digital domain, around 25/35 Hz because there is almost nothing really musical down there. For the rare cases of LFE, this very last octave usually eats a lots of headroom and does not add musically. Also, concerning HPF filters, the phase shift above its Fc is minimum. We have to have an eye and ear in what the phase shift that shall be messing in the frequency zone prior to Fc.
@Breakbeat90s
@Breakbeat90s 2 жыл бұрын
Hm. I get where you are coming from but I have made the opposite discovery. When reference-listening to American rap records like 50 Cent I was kinda baffled when I saw that there were lots of things going on below 30 Hz, and when I lowpassed them the music lost it's punch.
@audiomediaproductionservic1051
@audiomediaproductionservic1051 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome TIP for the studio! But not so much in the Live sound world. Yes there can be the same problems in the live sound world but you almost have to hipass on the instruments that do not need certain frequencies just to control low end feedback. But in the live situation you have so many anomolies working against you like the room, the sound system , sub-harmonic distortion, stage volume etc. GREAT VIDEO and it is so true and is what I do in the studio.. but as a live engineer it just has to be used more! Thanks and Cheers!
@ngolu-onetv9708
@ngolu-onetv9708 8 жыл бұрын
home boy spoke abt studio, and u up here bringing up live shit. y'all always got some smart to say. like u think we dont know the difference between live and studio. man, i hate ppl like u trying to always add some smart shit just to be seen or heard. lol dont hate me i speak the truth. love all of yall
@MrmelodyUs
@MrmelodyUs 7 жыл бұрын
Something to do with the Granularity of the System.
@dnlxl
@dnlxl 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome man, love the channel.
@IlkoBirov
@IlkoBirov 2 жыл бұрын
As always, super useful info. Thanks for sharing!
@DrGodinho
@DrGodinho 9 жыл бұрын
Iove the video! instant subscribe!
@hikikomori1595
@hikikomori1595 9 жыл бұрын
***** me too, thank you very much sir!
@embeddedgirl
@embeddedgirl 7 жыл бұрын
From someone who has done a lot of work mixing live, I do high pass anything I can get by with as it helps to minimize stage rumble etc. But yes in studio situations it's not always ideal as it's properly acoustically treated. best bet, set the highpass cutoff to something that you don't hear the change from said instrument or other audio source.
@AltheaBalliro
@AltheaBalliro 4 жыл бұрын
Great job on this video! Your spreading good knowledge.
@DanShureMusic
@DanShureMusic 9 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. Great to get actually learn something, I felt like this video taught stuff no one else has talked about.
@DapperHesher
@DapperHesher 8 жыл бұрын
It's not a myth... it works... on extreme metal. A lot of this is taking advice out of the context. What works for someone like Septicflesh isn't necessarily right for you guys mixing Faith+1 or whatever.
@ianhobson9935
@ianhobson9935 8 жыл бұрын
+Ryan Miller Lol faith+1. but seriously mixing metal (and any genre) benefits from HPFs but he's just calling out these producers who throw it on every track besides the bass w/out knowing it's effects
@DapperHesher
@DapperHesher 8 жыл бұрын
You gotta use your ears. If you're not surgically precise (and Q settings are almost as critical as HPFs here) with your low end, it's not going have the impact or the clarity down there you want... ESPECIALLY with multiple bass sources. Same with LPFs. Too much high end takes the perception of body out of the mix, and finding the right things to just LP can get clarity in the highs without harsh levels up there.
@scotttredennick9363
@scotttredennick9363 8 жыл бұрын
Do you know what else impacts the clarity and impact of your low end? phase problems....
@darsure3006
@darsure3006 7 жыл бұрын
You missed the point completely. He's saying not to do ANYTHING 'just because.' Your counter argument is that doing something 'just because' works on your extreme hardcore badass metal but not on anyone else's sissy music? LAFFO GFY so much derp
@johnmchakeres
@johnmchakeres 7 жыл бұрын
Metal needs a low end. Are you kidding me? You GOTTA be kidding me lol. Don't read into all of the bias of the rule book. Use your tools with your judgment. Don't just do something because it is the "norm". Think outside of the box and remember that every instrument has its own personality and design to create a place in a mix. Seriously dude, listen to this guy lol.
@djentlover
@djentlover 7 жыл бұрын
Also, if you agree with this, remember to hipass your compressor detection range, if you want to have it behave according to the audible audio.
@TheMattAMusic
@TheMattAMusic 9 жыл бұрын
I was told to high pass everything! Thank you for this :) Extremely helpful - subscribed!
@MusiciansIgnite
@MusiciansIgnite 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the signal information amongst all the noise online. Loved the video!
@cliffhoward2225
@cliffhoward2225 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much!! I always wondered what the linear EQ was used for. You have the most informative videos I have found so far.
@PetarFroggpond
@PetarFroggpond 9 жыл бұрын
I agree. Low end needs to be alive with tension,,,,like a water ballon full of water which vibrates under the tension of the balloon. I believe the trick is to manage the frequency population for low end / cutting so 10 items are not sharing or/// competing for that frequency
@OICRECORDS
@OICRECORDS 9 жыл бұрын
Petar Froggpond Get Better Recordings By Going For The Big Wins We all want a better recording. Who doesn’t? But in our pursuit of great recordings we ironically spend way too much money and effort on things that don’t make a huge difference. wp.me/p5pOu7-7t
@openroadmusic
@openroadmusic 8 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Enjoyed the way you described phasing. I will check out your other videos when I get time. Thanks!
@Michael-st9ky
@Michael-st9ky 6 жыл бұрын
Your channel is underrated. So much value!
@CarlosSanchez_Lowwaxx
@CarlosSanchez_Lowwaxx 5 жыл бұрын
I think that most of the time artists forget the nature that comes from recordings, there's proper rich harmonics that should be up, I'm completely agree with "don't do anything by default" that's a huge trap that make you lose your human touch while mixing.
@GogiRegion
@GogiRegion 5 жыл бұрын
I think people are right about it being genre specific. In a metal band doing more brutal styles like Death Metal, you really need to make sure that none of the instruments get in each other’s way, so you need high and low pass filters to prevent interference, and especially because usually the frequencies you’re cutting is just sound. I do think that I will keep most of the things here in mind though. Good video.
@4EverEvolving1
@4EverEvolving1 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Thank you for not being selfish and for giving this valuable information for us to use. You definitely made a lot of things clearer.
@idontcare7317
@idontcare7317 7 жыл бұрын
Hey just wanted to say, really great video! I am now going to binge watch all of your videos this week aha I have only heard two people talk about this high pass filter overuse, and it has me very interested, and I will apply this to my tracks to see if I get a better result, the phase difference from multi mic recording was what really sold me.. cheers!
@Leukick
@Leukick 9 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is stuff no one talks about!
@Fire2000Ml
@Fire2000Ml 7 жыл бұрын
I understand cutting extremely low frequencies such as
@hankjohnson5986
@hankjohnson5986 3 жыл бұрын
What about let's say a high piano sound? or claps and hi hats? I cut them just still they start to sound thin then back off is that hurting my sound?
@DarkMetaOFFICIAL
@DarkMetaOFFICIAL 3 жыл бұрын
cut what? u didn't say.
@zachary963
@zachary963 2 жыл бұрын
Idiots.
@zachary963
@zachary963 2 жыл бұрын
@@hankjohnson5986 try taking them all off and comparing. If it sounds better, then sure. I prefer really thin and airy hihats so I always highpass them, but it’s completely an artistic choice.
@kaldrax1
@kaldrax1 6 жыл бұрын
David your videos are gold. Best mixing channel on youtube hands down. Got my like and sub
@dulmin_
@dulmin_ 4 жыл бұрын
Whoa, I didn't knew this phase stuff before. Thanks a lot!
@timothyberner9938
@timothyberner9938 7 жыл бұрын
Why not use HPFs to cut out much of the woofy, useless-in-the-mix sound that chews up your headroom? Particularly on mid-range instruments such as guitar amps - HPFs on your tracks can help clean up unnecessary low end that is covering up your bass and kick drum. That's the theory I've always worked under, and its never made my mixes thinner in a non-musical, non-helpful way.
@johnmchakeres
@johnmchakeres 7 жыл бұрын
I think what he is saying is that you shouldn't use a HPF for every instrument. He is talking about people that don't have the capacity or equipment to record live instruments correctly. Yes, use the HPF on instruments that are meant to be in the mid/high range; I think he is just saying that you shouldn't overuse the HPF and never stick to a standard of using it on every instrument because you don't have the proper tools to record your low end instruments effectively. Every session that you are responsible for mixing/mastering on a professional level should be approached in a way that has many variables, and use the HPF as a tool when you see a certain abnormality. Use your judgment instead of some rule book that will limit your success. Chill out bro, it sounds like he really knows what he is talking about.
@akuryio
@akuryio 6 жыл бұрын
You should render hpf and move the clip to put inphase... Thats the way i keep the correlation betwen clips but always is easy not to hpf the instrument jajajja
@FallenStarFeatures
@FallenStarFeatures 5 жыл бұрын
News flash: Guitars go down to 80hz.
@xXxAmadeuzxXx
@xXxAmadeuzxXx 9 жыл бұрын
Hello..I mostly do hip hop and edm. I rarely use real instruments. Will using hpf on these instruments will cause phasing issues or just real instruments where you record with multiple mics? Also what do you think of hpf vocals? Is it better to cut some low frequency out using hpf or just do like a small dip on the eq?
@xXxAmadeuzxXx
@xXxAmadeuzxXx 9 жыл бұрын
***** thank you for taking time to answer my questions. I was really confused about this and was getting different answers. I never use to eq the low end of virtual instruments till recently. I noticed that my beats were just muddy but now i noticed they are alot clearer. I still need time to perfect it but its getting there.
@mentalstate5753
@mentalstate5753 7 жыл бұрын
Best tutorial I ever watched. Gona spread this to the world :) You got ME in time! Cheers!
@Thrilla1981
@Thrilla1981 9 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! Thank you so much!! This helps me a ton! I always deal with imbalances with frequencies in my mixes. The kick and bass way to big and boomy and every thing else in the mix is weak and thin. I always cut a load of low end from everything BY DEFAULT thinking it's the right thing to do because everyone says it's a must, and not trusting my own ears. You're video has definitely help me be more confident in adding a little bit more low end without feeling like I just violated a mixing commandment. I knew once my mixes started to get louder than industry standard volume I was cutting too much low end. Thanks again!
@guitarlicksntricks
@guitarlicksntricks 9 жыл бұрын
"cut your mix's balls" - say it like it is dude! :-D
@junkawakami3193
@junkawakami3193 4 жыл бұрын
i think it also has something to do with the HPF notching certain higher frequency range (especially in zero latency mode, i think FabFilter has that video)and making your mix sound weaker...
@ricobangz8638
@ricobangz8638 8 жыл бұрын
You know your stuff man! Going to sub just because you don't give out shady info. Thanks for this man!
@F-Andre
@F-Andre 8 ай бұрын
This is by far one of the best channels for mixing and mastering. i love your way of teaching. its so natural and clear. big thanks :)
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