"Common Prosperity": USA had it, but tossed it away｜Eric X. Li

[@davidmoss2576]

As an American Mr. Li is absolutely correct and he has a better understanding of what actually happened to America better than most Americans. The liberation of the financial sector have enslaved the working class of this country. More wealth have been created yet more Americans are poorer by every metric.

[@mimiphuc]

Most Americans do not understand what happened to the American Dream because the Mainstream Media is controlled by the two political parties. Those two political parties have differences. But they have together in anti-china propaganda, selling more arms to keep military industrial complex busy, by creating world conflicts and chaos, keeping lobbysts as an important element in politics, ... And the Mainstream Media will make sure to push the narratives to get their objectives. No difference than a state media in China, Russia, ... US used western mainstream media to push the Invasion of Iraq with a fabricated lie, killing tens of thousands of innocent people

[@fannyalbi9040]

the politicians and mainstream media (and education too), make most american proud of their gpd and as usual the majority so proud their highest gdp in the world, they never question “do we even benefit from it? @

[@steevek]

@@fannyalbi9040agreed. US gdp has been growing for the past many years, but the number of homeless in the street of many big cities is growing even faster.

[@ansa336]

You are absolutely correct. It started with President Reagan, "Government is not the answer" backed intellectually by the Austrian and Chicago Schools of Economics plus the ramblings of Ayn Rand.

[@tuw2528]

Harvard trained economist Thomas Sowell notes that 80% of poor Americans rise into the middle income within one generation. In China it’s takes 3.5 years 😂😂😂

[@ze4949]

Eric Li is really patient here. The guy (don’t know his name) is so closed minded and did not sound like he understands at all what led to the American success.

[@Huturenecho]

从他们坐的姿势可以给出一些answers

[@alexfisky]

forgive my words,but i can't help to say that guy does not know any economic thing, and i just don't why he was invited to this seminar???

[@Albion80s]

The big and not so bright guy has his mind trapped in the little bit he knows, yet displaying his arrogance. He seems to have an ego problem. It's an embarrassment to share the same table with a character like him.

[@ramonching7772]

Very true. Grasping at straws to refute a fact. Fact is financialization created so many crashes in the US.

[@ansa336]

That is my impression or is it because English is not his first language. Alternatively he does not understand Political Economy, that the US got misled by the writing Ayn Rand.

[@wanzg]

這個老外的言下之意是，第一，中國應該開放外來移民，第二，中國應該全面開放金融。這樣才能保持經濟增長。他認為中國提出了“內循環”的概念就是關起門來搞發展。但事實上，中國的理念是“構建以國內大循環為主體、國內國際雙循環相互促進的新發展格局”，而他只看到了前半句。由此可見這位老外其實是不了解中國政策的，又或者是在給李世默下圈套。但凡關注過中國政策的人都知道，習近平在任何場合，無論是國內，還是國際上的甚麼達沃斯論壇、G20、一帶一路，你能說得出來的任何場合，都是說中國會堅持開放，堅持多邊合作。反而是美方，兩黨輪替的時候各种不穩定，一到共和黨就是各種毀約、退群、單邊主義、美國優先，一到民主黨了就各種加群並高喊“We are back”，然後四年後共和黨上來又繼續毀約退群。你可以看到，中國才是堅定不移走開放道路的那個，反而美國不知道能不能開放下去因為不能確保政策的延續性。 中國提出“內循環為主體、雙循環相互促進”的理念是在疫情之後，但凡有點思考能力都知道這是因為在中國國內疫情處理得好、國外擺爛的現況之下，中國必須以內循環為主，否則你們擺爛到底，我14億人要跟著你們嗎？我不得想辦法自己玩兒嗎？ 這位老外根本一點都不懂中國，不瞭解現在的中國更別說過去的中國了（相反，李世默對美國過去、現在有著相當程度的瞭解）。

[@jac3797]

完全认同

[@GineAce]

这俩老外，是二极管、二元思维，不懂中国哲学，他们的论述是：不是对的，就是错的。 而中国哲学的论述是：有利必有弊，权衡利弊，趋利避害，没有绝对的 “对与错”。 那什么时候可以区分 “对错” 呢？ 经由 “公理” 推导出定理，然后建立的科学大厦，就可以明确区分对错。“1 + 1 = 2” 、“两点之间有且仅有一条之间”，就是不用证明、不容置疑的公理，由此建立的数学大厦，才有对错。 如果有人争论或置疑 “1 + 1 = 2”，则数学大厦顷刻倒塌。 同样，建立在 “公共秩序、公共利益” 基础上的法律、道德，才能区分好人和坏人。 陷入 “吃饭是对的，还是错的”，那我可以有足够多的理由证明 “吃饭是错的”。老外的论点就是：因为吃饭会噎到喉咙，所以，吃饭是错的

[@goodluck250]

这老外提的两个有点憨，完全不考虑中国现状。 1.中国自己培养了全世界规模最大的工程师人才梯队，任何层级的人才都不缺，只需要按现在这种模式引进少量行业精英特殊人才就够了。 2.他认为实体经济为主的经济体社会存在蓝领、白领、和管理层无法实现共同富裕，那么美国这种中产阶级萎缩，去掉中间层只剩两集分化的社会结构又怎么说服底层人呢？

[@chunmeitang9699]

他不是个英国教授，他的口音像是意大利人

[@elisechong8442]

沒有制造業單靠金融業行嗎？？🙄🙄🤔🤔

[@claudermiller]

As a 65 year old white male American who experienced it I agree 100%.

[@alexsoo6672]

I've been watching a lot of your videos lately, Eric. Love your indepth knowledge and how you handle interviewers.

[@qingzhou9983]

Eric, and China, has a different view from that guy. Eric is focused on bottom people and that guy is focused on Elites. that is exactly the problem, huge inequality in US.

[@willengel2458]

Eric failed to bring up that corporate tax was extremely high during the 50's.

[@iqbang9236]

You could have used the word "grass root" instead of "bottom people" which could be offensive.

[@j-mobi9209]

@@willengel2458 but not high enough to allow the top 0.001% to own more than half of the entire nation’s wealth. The tax on the rich should be at least 80% or more because their gotten "wealth" is not the direct result of individual labour.

[@mottscottison6943]

America opened the doors to immigrants because they have the criteria, their population problems are solved by immigrants. China has similar land area as America but 4 times more population with their own people, how do you expect China to open immigration like the Americans did? These people talk without thinking through first.

[@Voxabonable]

After all these years, individuals still come up to Mr. Li with the same arrogance and ignorance. They just don't do thier homework.

[@g.c955]

I think the other guy has been taught (or "brainwashed") that US system is the best so fails to see the flaws. I was in the same boat, thinking free market, neoliberalism is the best system.

[@angkihermawan9322]

Both LEFT or RIGHT sides of the economic policy spectrum are extreme and impossible to achieve, without swallowing the bitterness. The socialistic end stifles competition and economic motivation. It fails. The extreme liberals' capitalistic is creating a few winners, and the rest poor. Same result of aggregate poverty. What has been working very well is THE CENTRIST, trying to position exactly in the middle, to get the benefit from both Socialist and Capitalist concepts. Social Democratic GERMAN and CHINA is already showing that are winning.

[@jamesho2817]

The market has never been free, only made to perceived as free. It is always controlled directly or indirectly either by government and/or big venture capitalists.

[@TheHzh82]

It’s ironic how the Asian guy is speaking better English

[@ashleymistletoe]

... and has much much better understanding of America than a western so called academic.

[@深度评论]

自从里根推行新自由主义以后，美国的经济政策基调就是依赖市场竞争力，号称市场竞争带来的经济效应能滴灌到全社会。但事实上里根以后美国经济加速金融化，空心化，两极分化越来越严重，造成美国的全面撕裂。中国经济改革实际上和里根，撒切尔的改革同步开始，也是建立在利用市场经济效率的基础上。市场经济其实是双刃剑，它既能提高经济效益，也能导致垄断，而且垄断造成的恶果更严重。中国与美国不同的是，中国有强大的追求公平的历史基因和现实要求。孔夫子早就讲过中国是不患寡而患不均。毛泽东更把社会公平的概念普及社会。今天中国提出的共同富裕是转折性的。就是要有节制地利用市场经济，追求社会公平。当今虽然各种政策还未见成型，但关键是开始朝这个方向走了。中国将走出一条有别于美国的新路。欢迎点击我的头像看看深度评论的其他观点。

[@TotoNut]

the statue of 'liberty' is built on a foundation of native "indian" bones.

[@tschoong3897]

America had common prosperity by accident, the rich American oligarchy employs American workers to make money in 1950. Then as American workers become more expensive the rich oligarchy moves its money to low paid countries in order to produce goods to make even more profit. Maximum profit was its base line.

[@ivanlee2861]

I find it so sad that the other intellectuals do not seem to understand the points brought up by Eric Lee.

[@leoncioco3305]

Li is corectomundo. America put their bet on d financial horse mainly, big mistake. Country needs industrial n financial prowess to be successful n resilient.

[@angkihermawan9322]

It is exactly correct. The economic growth in the USA in the last 4 decades is almost exactly the same as in China, around $13-14 Trillion. In China, it is spread to 1.4 Billion people, while in the USA only to 3.5 Million. Neoliberalism economy is like a locomotive train that runaway, forgetting the cars left behind. It is important to comprehend the basics in the economy that competition is important but it tends to produce a WINNER that takes all in the later stage. This is the danger. Because then, the winner, that is so powerful and very rich will force the democratic process to form PLUTOCRATIC or OLIGARCHIC. The general election will be so full of corruption, wrap in cosmetics makeup.

[@nancytai1550]

Eric is brilliant, patient & correct in his explanations. I agree the other person is rude & doesn’t know what he is talking about. It should be a discussion & not confrontation. His comments show his ignorance & his body language shows his arrogance.

[@雨夕-o8c]

I don't know how much money wall street paid for this old guy, but I believe this old guy got paid from wall street!!!!

[@udifln5552]

我希望他们永远不会懂，要是早点懂，早就对中国下手了

[@user-jf5fc9xt3b]

只是受自身所处的位置所限，装不懂罢了

[@lanceshen3992]

美国人不是不懂问题所在，问题是体制锁死了，没有办法做出反应。

[@yl7806]

懂不懂都没办法

[@anthonyjosemusicbest156]

使我想到漢武帝時期桑弘揚及霍光的爭倫，就係鹽鐵論…..主要是桑弘揚對霍光謂，如果鹽鐵都自由買賣，甘國家可來有錢打仗，自由經濟唔係完全適合所有國家！美國只不過得二百年年國家，佢哋嘅人、領導人又可以睇到幾多呢！

[@陳謙泰-w6n]

這個老外不瞭解自己，對別人的疑問倒很多😂

[@则-t2y]

这个李世默比那他什么沈逸要强多了，那沈感觉就是个投子份子

[@kingmok2335]

中国根本不需要开放外來口人政策 ！財富是人類創造、我们有十四億 ！那个老外还是大美帝主意 、太落後了 ！

[@haijunpeng3848]

人类数千年的历史，绝大部分时间都是内循环过来的，主次要搞清楚，内循环为主，外循环为次，建设繁荣的中国主要还得靠中国人、中国智慧、中国资本！

[@simonwong5582]

Give us a link for the complete video recording pleaseeeeeeeee

[@woonyoron]

内循环当然是行得通的，整个欧美，甚至整个世界，不也是一个内循环的有限集。 保证自己不死永远比说服别人重要，世界从来都是被现实改变。

[@GineAce]

小经济体搞内循环是不行的，这俩客人理解不了一个 14 亿人的超大经济体的运行逻辑，他们惯常的思维就是 “个体、细节、细胞”，其自由主义逻辑就是 “分”，而理解不了 “合”

[@yangzhou8386]

@@GineAce 对对对，14亿人能代表全世界。你连基本的分工与合作都不懂，闭门造车就是晚清的下场

[@GineAce]

@@yangzhou8386 请用你的哲学辩证，来思考问题，别动不动就教训别人。 我从未说， “我们只靠内循环”，政府也是 “内循环为主 + 外循环” 战略。 我上面只是说明 “规模小了，就循环不起来”，你听话听一半，扛着就跑了

[@GineAce]

​ @Yang Zhou 楼主就是一个哲学家： “整个欧美，甚至整个世界，不也是一个内循环的有限集”。 你跟中国人学学哲学吧，不要把你的思维固定在 “自由” 上，美国，将会毁在你这样的二极管、二元思维上

[@GineAce]

@Yang Zhou “保证自己不死永远比说服别人重要，世界从来都是被现实改变” ，依旧是哲学的思辨。 怕你文化太低，头脑简单，我把他这句话，给你翻译为： 解决自身问题，只要你富强了，全世界都会巴结你，富在深山有远亲

[@燃燒的烤雞]

美國有共同上天堂　沒有共同富裕這玩意　ＸＤ

[@陳謙泰-w6n]

天堂是終點啊哈哈哈

[@cocoyu7616]

😆😆信者永生🤣

[@劉又誠-s9g]

確定是上 天堂嗎？

[@sleo3720]

That’s why so many homeless people !

[@Beanp2025]

Another key to US prosperity is R&D and culture spurt. Many of the best scientists, artists, authors and other talent migrated to the US during and after WW2, which helped to boost its development, science, cultural output, education, etc and ultimately its economy. Of course power politics, military projection, and the control of global MNCs, financial structures and instruments, the reserve currency, Softpower, media, Hollywood and the export of influence, etc all contributed in making the US a superpower. The Soviet Union had a great military industry and R&D, but it lost in all those other areas. The US is still a very powerful country holding immense global wealth, even though it's become too arrogant and went the wrong way like Eric Li described. I understand the nationalism that many Chinese feel, and there's a lot to be proud of, but the mind must be centered, clear and know the strengths and weaknesses of China, US, Europe and Russia. To his credit, Eric Li has a calm, humorous, intelligent 理智淡定幽默approach. One challenge is the ability for China to articulate or control the narrative - the West uses a few terms that boxed China in, terms that make China different from the rest of the world. Instead of getting angry, one should be able to seize the opportunity, diplomatically, intelligently counter the narrative and 破解鎖定角色 break the mould that boxes China in.

[@soyghcg]

為何美國喜歡針對不上市的新高科技企業制裁？當新的不上市高科技推動社會新產業變革，而美國國際資本無法透過跨國金融投資，搭便車獲得該新科技發展紅利，美國那套資本金融化玩法就玩不下去了。

[@blitzmalcolm]

Mr li spot on

[@carcam2012]

希望如此.

[@hohohohoho262]

Professor Dona should go and get richer in America, cos everything he mentioned is so much brighter over there. Please stay away from the dark autoritarian state of China. Then we can see how well him and Eric become in 10 years.

[@fannybirot2362]

美国难道不想要共同富裕吗？只是做不到而已！哈哈哈，这脸打得狠，我喜欢。只是这个老外水平太低，李世默是对牛弹琴鸡同鸭讲，没啥作用。

[@GineAce]

“自由主义” 已经限缩了他们的思维，其惯常的思维就是 “个体、细节、细胞”，其核心逻辑就是 “分”，而理解不了 “合”，更无法理解 “合中有分，分中有合” 这样的中国哲学

[@wingkei8779]

To me Eric is to the point.

[@zephyermin7035]

完了，西交利物浦在我心里的地位迅速下滑...

[@polyresoucesgp2754]

本来就是二本水平，有啥地位不地位的

[@Brian7655]

可以理解另一位的想法，美国之所以拥有如此多的财富，就是因为成功的金融市场，它吸走了世界上绝大多数的资金，所以美国才会成为自08金融海啸之后唯一一个经济成长超过1%的发达国家，可是走到现在，美国因为党派对立和种族对立（其实是变种的阶级对立）问题而没有办法直面自身的其他问题，而过度的金融化又改变了美国曾经的经济结构，使得所有低于金融预期收益的行业都渐渐的从美国搬走或者直接消失，而这些行业本身创造的价值和他对财富再分配的价值反而没有被美国政府看重。正因为中国是美国的竞争对手，我们会去理性的思考美国面对的结构性问题，而美国的盟友和崇拜者们则认为美国可以通过政府的强力控制改变现有的情况，因此反而不认为这些问题是真正的结构性问题。 美国的自由市场理论从根本上就是在鼓励资本垄断，它的核心议题不是如何合理分配财富，而是如何通过财富的聚集创造更多的财富，而不属于这个财富循环的人，则通过自然界的达尔文逻辑慢慢的消亡， 也就是说，美国的终极结构是剩下数百名公民掌握国家的全部财富其他的“累赘“都已经被消灭，从而实现全民富裕。所以美国现在的社会才这么痛苦，毕竟老话说得好”若要使人灭亡，先要使其疯狂“。

[@zilaiyang9424]

其实关键的问题是，政府被利益集团控制裹挟，财富过度集中，中国历史里就有例子，明末的崇祯皇朝，就是如此。利益集团为了自身利益不顾整体利益，甚至不惜损害整体利益来自肥，那么强势的利益集团将控制社会的绝大部分财富，政府无法照顾并分配资源给底层群体，矛盾冲突到临界点就会爆，而政府被利益集团制约。无力改变。美国政府成功于开放自由，也将败于分配无序财富过度集中。

[@goorwl5486]

大智慧

[@sjdicky02]

以現在的全球經濟也是封閉的 除非有人偷偷跟外星人做生意

[@怡安潘-h8y]

了不起！！李世默！🎉🎉🎉

[@blackgcm313]

这老白男教授因为这段影像， 其智商和傲慢可以说要永垂不朽了

[@jjc4232]

50s to the 80s for the U.S was a period of explosive growth in its infrastructure and the building of it's modern economy. On the same token, and let's not forget too, that Golden era in America was also plagued with exponential growth in organized crime, drugs and the development of the infamous projects/public housing in the inner cities where the poor and minorities were discarded. The notorious Italian mobs had judges, politician and the police in their pockets. While blacks living in the projects were getting hooked on crack. By the 70s came The crack cocaine pandemic was across all major cities in the U.S. Harlem, South Central L.A, Philly, Houston, I mean just all over!! By the early 80s president Regan declared Americans war on drugs.

[@aaronthewalker]

你们应该多放李世默和外国学者的辩论，他是我唯一一个看过能用类似金灿荣思想却做到把外国学者怼到没话说的那种，老金只是关在中国里说中国政策，李世荣是直接可以拿着中国的战绩去跟外国学习解释和比较，这很重要❗️没几个中国学者做得到这事。理性又理智，伸缩自如。

[@natehiger410]

这两个学者好像并不同意李世默的关点。其中一个说美国的金融使美国人民富裕，我就想问一句，如果所有人都搞金融了那谁来创造实体呢？倒霉的第三世界国家吗？

[@SYChow-wh2kr]

👍👍

[@weiskl887]

Lol old white man silence moment. Precious

[@angusxb]

那個白人太自負，認為自己才是對。

[@陈述-k2r]

求完整版视频

[@smurf3339]

Well, they are just having dialogues to express their opinions and make things clear. No reason to attack either of them.

[@zewelry]

鸡同鸭讲，各说各话

[@freeforu8071]

白人居然在感谢墨西哥和拉丁移民，这就是政治正确的力量吗？

[@cookwu2971]

没有黑人，还是不正确。

[@bowenb9336]

为什么不感谢？他们坐在那玩金融游戏就能赚钱当然要谢谢那些作为他们仆人的人。当然，这些仆人中也包括中国广大的劳动人民。

[@freeforu8071]

@@bowenb9336 我觉得他不会这么想，墨西哥拉美的移民犯罪率很高，受教育程度也比较低，唯一的作用是改善人口结构，说到人口结构说不定他养了墨西哥和拉美的情妇2333

[@2200zy]

他强调的是金融开放性，是认为中国要金融开放，这样美国金融要从中国发展分一杯羹。比如华尔街想入股华为。举得却是接纳墨西哥移民的例子来证明美国开放。然后李世默回答中国不要金融资本控制实业，他马上转移话题了。这是个很坏的白人，他什么都明白，只是他沮丧的是中国人不会他们忽悠了

[@ashleymistletoe]

他哪裡有任何感謝之意？引進了低級勞工所以美國得以發展，並沒有歸功於他們的意思。這人的傲慢和對中國人的歧視明擺在臉上，毫不遮掩。你想太多了。

[@BlackwaterEl1te]

Does anyone have a link to the full event?

[@joewu7534]

李世默你别瞎bb了，美国当时能共同富裕主要是因为有工会，美国今天贫富差距大是因为全球化，工作全跑低成本的海外去了，美国工会管不到。中国要真心想共同富裕很简单，放开让大家搞工会就行，但是CCP明显没这个打算

[@keyboardmanyoutube3189]

China has to be the centre of world Financial, to become the No.1 country in the world

[@gopen9373]

美国是绝对不可能共同富裕的，根本原因在于种族问题。 美国白人会容忍黑人，亚洲人，印度人，拉丁美洲人和他们平起平坐，共同富裕么？ 唯有单一种族的国家，可以共同富裕，比如北欧国家，东亚三国等

[@liyangau]

典型的鸡同鸭讲。。。

[@fannybirot2362]

真的！！！

[@ronaldwang9838]

美国开放移民，是因为它有廉价劳动力人口需求，所有美国移民都明白那是怎么一回事。其次，美国早期的金融是为实体经济服务的，并未从一开始就走向虚拟经济泡沫。The United States was open to immigration because it had a demand for a cheap labor population, and all American immigrants understand what it is all about. Secondly, the early financial services in the United States served the real industry economy and did not move towards a virtual economic bubble from the beginning.

[@jianyuhua]

trust still exists

[@troutstalker4744]

Anyone here has the link to the full debate? Thanks.

[@yaogrover4858]

跟他们讲那么清楚干嘛呢？他们觉得现在挺好的，我也觉得这样挺好的。

[@baxile]

where is the full video?

[@MrMainmoon]

哪里可以找到 全部对话视频？

[@Jasonweekpiano]

中國提出來的是雙循環 內循環+外循環 提高內需產業才不至於被現在外部的不穩定情況擺布 在有穩定的內核之下 再開展外部市場 而不是依賴外部市場 然後由外部市場的所得 進一步擴大內需 如此循環 但有的人就一定要把他想成閉關鎖國 刻意只聽一半 只能說這樣的人才真正是把自己"閉關鎖國"了

[@rgohoo]

因為它們真跟中國玩自由競爭他們一定玩不過

[@eefunhuang6958]

这个还真好说，慢慢看吧

[@soupyskate]

👍

[@humgarchaun]

自己富裕，別國貧窮，這樣子才能保持尾國霸權

[@frankzhou4228]

有没有完整视频链接？

[@xingw9358]

最近几十年美国的领先也是靠国家基建-信息高速公路

[@yl7806]

对牛弹琴

[@seyitmtlp9669]

肯定不能全部金融化呀，我们是社会主义，市场甚至货币都是临时的东西，等建设差不多了还是玩回归到计划经济的。金融本质上是花别人的钱，就是掠夺和压迫，这个老外就这点学识跟老李根本不是一个档次的。

[@笑世遇]

上帝是犹太的 地球是你们的 核弹也是你们的 拔枪吧

[@fannybirot2362]

为什么没有完整视频啊？

[@gohcheesin7626]

Early one make mistake and let others to recognize where was the mistakes make then it called 'Wisdom' grow. or else ................... falling behind.

[@victoews6842]

China the builder has 18.47% of the world population. USA the bomber has 4.25% of the world population. This family of humanity ( the 95.75%) needs to discipline or at minimum contain it's belligerent bomber.

[@Iseechina]

这个肯德基老头子，让我感觉国外的这些所谓的专家真是凑数的。。。

[@cheng2800]

就是凑数的，还是个戏精

[@xinqu5]

收钱了总的表演吧?

[@茶叶-x5z]

说的好像除了北欧，谁能做到一样。

[@mr.hong-ytb3004]

这个老外说的2点都不能无止境的索取，外来人口和外来资金都被吸引到美国去了后，美国资本家群体受益最大，其他人都只会越来越穷，资本主义的终点就是富人占据了大多数财富，穷人开始暴动杀富人闹革命。而他问：中国这种模式怎么平衡上层和底层的收入、怎么让大家去相信能够共同富裕? 答案是：中国正在向实现所有人共同富裕的共产主义社会而努力，以前因为科技不够发达还看不到希望，而今却因为人工智能看到了曙光，所以中国才大力发展人工智能，一旦到了所有工作只需要机器人去做的时候，人类只需要维护好各种机器的正常运行，就能安逸的生活，到那时，人们不需要每天工作，只需要轮岗制，让少数人轮替维护人工智能设备就好了，可能每个人一个月只需要工作一天。

[@ufo15526368]

股市三千點天花板

[@roverdank8260]

Eric li is correct that the large state initiatives aided development and entrepreneurial activity, but it was only one factor another important factor was the financial systems in which small entrepreneurs could receive private investments for their ideas as long as they had an idea someone saw as worth investing in, which meant that a lot more things could revive investment compared to a system completely reliant on state initiatives were only ideas in line with those initiatives are put into consideration. Many of these privately invested ideas can fail but others can be successes which would have not even been considered for investment in a system were investments come predominantly from the state. And the most important Charecteristic that the US had during that time period was its population boom, without a growing population its initiatives and its financial system/markets would have been much less effective in growing the US economy. And that is one major difference between the US during that period and China, the US population was growing rapidly while China’s population will not just grow slowly but soon will start to shrink.

[@周铭涵]

Eric control this channel

[@ankhmaathotep7913]

400 years of free slave labor...

[@鄭宗元-b2d]

這視頻太短了吧

[@BL-db6xt]

Before the WW-2 there were many great engineers & scientist came to the US & participated in the Manhattan Project that built the Atomic Bombs dropped in Hiroshima & Nagasaki. These best brains also contributed to many scientific breakthroughs & technical innovations for American manufacturing base. After the WW-2 the US captured many Germany engineers/Scientists eg, Von Brown & more brilliant brains & entrepreneurs fled off their own countries that ruined by war. The US had a largest pool of talents, vast natural resources that stole from the Native Americans. Its world biggest manufacturing base manned by Americans & tsunami of refugees from all over the world. On top of these, many countries deposited thousand tons of bullion gold into NY. Fed Bank as a safe haven vis a vis a potential Atomic Armageddon from the Soviet Union. With these tremendous advantages that contributed by others than Americans in a backdrop of war torn world, there was no meaningful competitor to the US at all. In short, before & after the WW-2 the world resources had been allocated into the US, especially brains & entrepreneurship. The US economy took off & flew high. Thanks to outsiders. Now it's landing & might never take off the hegemonic flight again, it's too frail for a serious, competent & dedicate competitor.

[@kakaxifx4913]

不建议喷这位老外，他已经非常开放的在讨论问题了，虽然有自己的固有观念，但是并没有去否定李世默，这是学术讨论应该有的样子。

[@劉又誠-s9g]

你太佛心了

[@wwahyyy2035]

segment could be longer. whole thing seems scripted. need more relaxed presentation. .... middle guy just sat there......

[@kyodonewsagency1182]

Now you know why Italy is broke and will soon suffer another big debt crisis.

[@youngz13o]

Well it’s obvious the right side doesn’t agreee with Eric

[@acghinqu7110]

眼下就有一条光明的道路：投共

[@tomorrowsland6771]

这老外给人的感觉是傲慢，不可一世，井底之蛙，不求甚解！

[@斗士007]

这就是美国失败的原因

[@jasonyuen6962]

内循环的经济不能长期增长？外循环就可以？白皮，我们的地球的经济活动是内循环还是外循环？从宏观角度上看，我们的经济增长都来自太阳的单向输出，就是说，只要人类不作死是完全没有问题的，比如一个农民家庭，只要立于天地，加上一点勤劳和智慧就能让家庭的经济获得长期的正增长，何况是一个国家？只不过是一个更小一点的地球而已。 推崇用资本维持经济增长根本就不是解决共同富裕的通道，很明显还是死道，除非这个资本是属于全国人民的

[@coconut2.0]

I don't know how you think but that American man looks disrespectful.

[@ashleymistletoe]

Totally. It's in his demeanor, the way he spoke and looked around. Disrespectful is an understatement. His bias and arrogance or even racism is blatant. It's all from his own ignorance of course and Li was being intelligent and graceful by not responding to his arrogance.

[@BallyBoy95]

Lost brain cells after listening to this. Eric Li comes across as very empathetic and patient. Michele Geraci comes across like a smart ass with nothing to say but throwing unbacked accusations. I'm sure he's smart and has a lot to say, but it didn't come across here. Definitely needs to rethink his approach.

[@sailer.x1240]

這白人根本就是再玩一個很鬼打牆的命題。一是完全無視中國搞得是內外雙循環，這人完全無視外循環就只想說你沒有增量怎麼可能搞內循環所以得出結論中國肯定失敗；二是這人是忠實的脫實向虛的新自由主義信徒，自己也不去看看福山是怎麼被自己的歷史終結論給終結掉的。

[@bartonlee3594]

Nice to see that Eric is now falling in line with Xi Thought: Capitalism is now bad. He had a change of mind and corrected himself.

[@pr0newbie]

He hasn't changed. He's always been of the same opinion from his videos 8-10yrs ago.

[@bartonlee3594]

@@pr0newbie Friend Prone? He's a venture capitalist. But he has discovered the truth and taken a new socialist line. He is much better now than before, in my most humble opinion.

[@caijunfuxdn]

这白人老头是华尔街派来的说客吧？

[@周铭涵]

额，观网采访自己的实际控制人，这种媒体有啥好说的

[@tomxu9098]

看那光明顶一脸不屑的表情，呵呵呵，气死你

[@dennyli9339]

扩充中产，谈何容易！

[@liangsmart6688]

来来来，先看看哪国的基尼系数更大，哪国的贫富差距更大，哪国的亿万富豪更多，哪国的兜底保障更差吧！来数据，别来搞别的。

[@则-t2y]

目前的情况是美国人民普遍人活水平比中国人民高。这是毋庸置疑

[@yeosoonqion]

我觉得，你的视频严重误导了人们，而且在许多是非问题上，你选择忽视，你非常的恶心。

[@eugenewu2202]

Lies.

[@shuzhongyang3741]

那个教授颠倒因果了，移民和金融，美国到今天仍然具备，但他已经在走下坡路了

[@che2201]

我就坐看中国的共同富裕最后出来一个什么样的结局！我看好你哟！

[@wings2909]

貧富不均是21世紀人類面臨的三大問題之首，其背後的原因是市場經濟自然使資本不斷集中和纍積，所以要靠政治手段逆水行舟，先天就極爲困難。更糟糕的是，資本完全掌控了既有的國際霸權，所有現行的國際規則、制度、機構和理論，都是英美在過去200年精心設計來保護自家財閥的，所以只有中國的興起，才能挽救人類社會。習近平在過去幾個月出手打擊國内的壟斷性財閥，然後進一步提出“共同富裕”的政策方針，已經是比我預期的更積極、强力的措施，值得全世界的良心人稱贊和支持。然而我們必須認識到，這些依舊只是非常初級的步驟，而且必然會面臨國内國外財閥的反撲。下一階段的鬥爭，將會是全方面的，而其中最讓我擔心的有兩項：1）資本無國界，國内財閥早已有準備做資產轉移，國外的巨鰐則始終想要吃下中國的金融體系，以往的壁壘或多或少減低了金融方面的危險；現在中國正式向資本宣戰，卻同時大開國門，在金融上“與國際接軌”，這顯然是戰略冒進，承擔了不必要的風險。2）一旦試圖把以往資方獨霸的權力和利潤，拿來與國内的勞方和消費者分享，那麽無可避免地會影響財團在國際上的競爭力。如果中國有獨步全球的研發環境和團隊，倒也罷了，偏偏中國的科研學術界沉厄甚深，造假、抓權、騙錢的風氣極盛，甚至形成多種畸形產業（例如代爲假造論文、假期刊等等），幾乎每個我深入研究過的領域，都由自私自利、竊位自肥的學閥主導。這在追趕階段，因爲只需複製歐美的成功前例，還不成問題，一旦中國進入第一梯隊，那麽美國在過去6、70年研發路綫選擇的低效現象，在中國會遠遠更加惡劣，很難想象不靠996和泡沫投資來維持競爭力，技術水平要如何進一步提升，整體經濟要如何進一步發展。總結來説，我一直認爲解決貧富不均非常困難，即使不看整個人類世界，先專注在中國本身，而且只考慮初級步驟，也有三大難關：政治意願、金融策略、和研發效率。目前習近平只解決了第一項，後面的金融管理和學術風氣，這個“共同富裕”政策能否持久深入，並不樂觀。