David Sanger | China's Rise, Russia's Invasion, and America's Struggle to Defend the West

Join Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David E. Sanger as he explores America's complex rivalry with China and Russia in the post-Cold War era. In "New Cold Wars," Sanger provides a gripping account of America's simultaneous confrontations with these nuclear powers.
Discover how the United States' assumptions about Russia and China's alignment with Western-led order have evolved, leading to a high-stakes struggle for supremacy in military, economic, political, and technological realms. Gain insights into the critical questions facing the world today, including the potential for conflict escalation, the future of Taiwan, and America's role in global leadership.
Based on interviews with top officials and a deep dive into geopolitical events, this presentation offers a comprehensive analysis of the challenges and choices ahead for the United States and the world.
Photo courtesy the speaker.
April 22, 2024
SPEAKERS
David Sanger
White House and National Security Correspondent, The New York Times; Author, New Cold Wars: China’s Rise, Russia’s Invasion, and America’s Struggle to Defend the West; X @SangerNYT
In Conversation with Philip Yun
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[@patbyrneme007]

Sadly, I learnt very little from this predictable and shallow discussion.

[@user-mh9wb7sm6j]

Because of conjectures

[@julienbengkee5422]

Two men reinforcing each other's Americaness unabashedly!!

[@roc7880]

so?

[@vishwas1868]

what a bunch of jokers

[@robertsim2777]

Both truly are!

[@ShangDaiNagaland]

So called American exceptionalism 🤣🤣😂.

[@eatmanyzoos]

why do you think making KZbin comments is a valuable use of your time? do you think you are changing someones mind or does the very existence of opposing view points makes you cry laugh emoji?

[@MikeyJJJ]

@@eatmanyzoosstop, you’re blowing his mind

[@skydragon23101979]

@@eatmanyzoosLoooks like someone was very triggered. 😂

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

So exceptional, that aint #1 in anything in the western world... :D .. maybe in just stupidity and arrogance

[@mercurial382]

Sanger is one of those journalists at the Times, who acted like the PR department of the Whitehouse.

[@samsun01]

True. They destroyed the 'institutions' so valuable to Americanism, for a few bucks. So short term greed thinking. Journalism is dead in America.

[@phantom1076]

These guys worked and reported for the White House, so they basically regurgitated the same talking points, but in a book to make money

[@henri99618]

Well said. Why nobody questions it was the shortsighted and biased opinions self feeding the decision circle causing the misjudgment?

[@DavidCoxDallas]

Sanger reported for NYTimes. he's a Pulitzer prize winning journo.

[@user-ed9so2rb4k]

@@henri99618 , Well he has plenty of people barking on his behalf!

[@yoyolim538]

You were wrong Sanger, and you still are, no change there

[@yaoypl]

"The US digs its own graves, and Russia hands them the shovels; the shovels were made in China." The other day, I read this KZbin comment and thought it was funny but true.

[@yongdeng1813]

Yeah i read it too.. it was indeed brilliant and hilarious!😂

[@creativeslink]

We are no where near the grave.

[@yongdeng1813]

@@creativeslink 🤣🤣

[@eatmanyzoos]

@@creativeslink cry laugh emoji, the modern response to any point they can't argue with

[@skydragon23101979]

@@creativeslinkYour leaders believe in MMT where they think they can spend for eternity without paying off their debt, the support of “genocide”. The harsh crackdown on the schools protests, the collapsing commercial real estate, the rising inflation, the rising homeless and drug issues. Is that enough problems for you to realize your destiny?

[@anwiycti1585]

Still maintaining the Chinese rhetoric? Hopelessly blind 😂😂😂

[@HughCurranAedh]

Nothing new here, just the same old conventional cliches that pass for insight on the China-USA relationship

[@zhi-pingmei1814]

You are still wrong!

[@yehuanchun]

After Congress passed that law recently, the incessantly asked question "why didn't China and Russia become democracies" should be rephrased as "how did China and Russia evade subjugation by a small foreign power"?

[@jeanschaeffer4225]

,,,,,,,,,,,WHAT DOES PROVE,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,THAT ,,,,( YOU )...HOLD THE TRUTH..... ,,,,,, WHAT...........?? GREETINGS FROM ASIA

[@henryng9406]

@@jeanschaeffer4225 What? RU on drugs?

[@mathquir190]

The US is just lost into foreign affairs while the best of what they always did was at home. They transferred all the labour work outside of the US and are now loosing theirs expertise based on attracting the best of all the planet to them. People, without the propaganda machine and a more open information platform, knows that they are just made out of supporting the few against the general population and have been slaves for decades to calm the middle class needs to prevent poor people to assemble together against it and make a revolution because into blatant disparities people can't just support a normal life needs.

[@terencechan8304]

Now I understand why Americans have so many misjudgments on China, if the thought leaders think this way, there shall not be possible to have correct judgement. The only good thing is that they didn’t feel ashamed on their misjudgments, so they will continue to influence more people to be more biased.

[@willdoit222]

This guy just mixes some truth with bunch of lies and nonsense.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Wizards of gaslighting. It's not as obvious as MSM propaganda.

[@qake2021]

😯 focus on our homelessness. ✌️✌️✌️

[@ronsanto1360]

Still preaching the same propaganda. Oy.

[@erikyoung3196]

I call them traitors

[@pkwong1940]

Two characters so full of themselves living in an echo chamber of lies.

[@user-mh9wb7sm6j]

Microcosm of current political thought

[@adrianiphk]

Is it even possible to have unbiased objective & clever discussion on China ? This is so completely tainted from the truth , sorry , just can’t finish it , haha

[@muudcatt9541]

Lol, former white house reporters talking about world politics like they actually know how things work is beyond pathetic

[@ai._m]

Honestly, a very unpleasant couple of people

[@bellakrinkle9381]

I've never liked this channel. I'm thrilled to observe that I'm not alone. 😮😅

[@jaeger1447]

If Sanger is speaking specifically with regards to 155mm artillery rounds, Germany was actually in better shape than the US - Rheinmetall makes quite a bit of 155mm annually, even prior to the conflict. Still well-short of what's needed to win this conflict, but they actually did have a leg up WRT the United States in that one particular domain, not least because many non-US nations don't have the luxury of US-style airpower for indirect fire delivery, and Rheinmetall sold/sells to many such clients.

[@xianyanwang2705]

Unfortunately you are still wrong today.

[@seikai2]

Glad that they still get things wrong even after all the self reflection. Lost case.

[@Isuraaye]

Man these guys are a piece of work aren’t they?

[@johngardner397]

No discussion of biden crime family. Amazing.

[@user-mh9wb7sm6j]

What crime?

[@edwardallangabor850]

Very insightful. Thank you

[@wynetsang]

The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama 1992

[@dawuyong2218]

福山的预约就是一个学术笑话

[@constack7707]

Excellent assessment of how the world arrived in the current situation

[@hughmcdonnell849]

At least laurel and hardy were funny!

[@samliew6610]

To protect imperialism & Hegemony.

[@fufu9352]

I am a citizen of PRC. It would be great if every one in US think tank looks like them.

[@aghassimkrtchyan6323]

At 15:50 the speaker says that the US realized too late that their (Chinese, russian) hierarchy values are not the same as ours (American). I beg to disagree. I think in reality the US learned that this countries, just like the US, care about national security and serviceability of their nation above everything else. They are not economic agents, they are states. Just like America which will do everything for national security, including shutting down their democracy for a while if needed,

[@catinbootsnow4267]

I heard that the author just made an important revision to the book and changed the title to "The New Cold Blood War - China's Rise, Russia's Invasion and the US' struggle to support Israel's Genocide in Gaza".

[@zhinan888]

Ain't they embarrassed about themselves? How can they be blind and shameless?

[@joylarson9040]

Oh, please.🙄

[@luklauw]

Is this a Comedy Central channel?

[@aghassimkrtchyan6323]

a funny moment at 20:00 . Khrushev gave back crimea to Ukraine :) crimea was never part of Ukraine before 1954. Ukraine and crimea were completely unrelated before that. Crimea could be “ given back” only to Crimean tatars, ottoman Turks, or Greeks :)

[@cliff311976]

Defending Democracy? 😅😅😅😅

[@MarcoPolo-hn8or]

🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳👍

[@mathquir190]

Us international politic is me, myself and I. If US representative would simply put themselves in the place of others power and leaders they would understand that they built this threat by themselves.

[@mathquir190]

The first proof anyone would mention is that the US never respected the rules of laws themselves. Strangely, they expect others to not do the same in front of that behaviour.

[@zhinan888]

Genocide at Xinjiang 😂😂😂 WTF

[@MeBo-kp2lp]

Good listen!

[@user-tp9zv5cj3c]

Just filling space keeping their media sliver this guy

[@qianyoupan7787]

the key is the disruption of the west: please look at the west today, is it the same as it was in 2008-2012?

[@davidmurphy563]

Starts 4:16

[@Mac-ix4qp]

Meh, look for Sciutto's "The Return of Great Powers." to get a well-written book on the subject.

[@patbyrneme007]

What an awful interview. I notice that when they talked about Putin wanting Russia to be allowed to join the EU and NATO they never said what happened to this request. The fact that the US rejected it would be too embarrassing to admit as it would put a very different complexion on the whole anti-Putin narrative. As to the stuff about China, let these American neo-conservatives continue to misread the situation in China. It is better that they live in their echo chamber as this will make China's rise all the more certain and easier.

[@thesheepthemightythecrazy]

Am I crazy or are both of them living in some fantasy bubble?

[@henryng9406]

UR not crazy. It's these 2 bozos.

[@hangtuah888]

GOOD at lying, the speaker.

[@oscare014]

You missed a lot of things continue sleeping in your frame reality... 🎉🎉🎉

[@yctai6151]

BS...

[@vif5475]

In the first 12 minutes, I know already his book is simply a trash.

[@niklasnorberg5071]

Omg what a bunch of crap.🤣🤡

[@leonardwalls870]

Conversation, it just might work!Thanks.

[@chankane]

oh god... dudes majorly wrong.... not watching stupidity...

[@user-mh9wb7sm6j]

Additionally, read Brzezinski as well

[@peacerespect98]

Distorted world opinions and lies. 😂

[@roc7880]

I agree with the analysis, but one missing piece was the wasted decade from the killing of Bin Laden until the withdrawal from Kabul when US spent time, attention, money, lives, and focus on some farmers living in neolithic instead of seeing the danger of a resurgent Russia and assertive China.

[@cocoanutte]

The speech brings to mind the Titanic's crew busying themselves with deck chair arrangements, ignoring the iceberg and the Empire's impending doom. Watching Scott Ritter and Carl Zha discuss China, the USA, Israel and ICC arrest warrants for Israeli leaders is worth your time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ2zimVqmrieqLM

[@garyclegg889]

This is a joke. Pure garbage.

[@user-tp9zv5cj3c]

I dont get it ..

[@thomasho4825]

I was good advice it before you criticize the other country and not a government please put your self on their side. Say what you can do you take of China to nuclear power like Russia and United States don’t you think they need to defend themselves list?

[@Eideric]

wow. The bots have really piled in on here 🙄

[@catc8927]

Seriously. Both the Chinese and Russian ones! Usually I take that as a sign that these speakers are on to something that those autocratic regimes don’t want us Americans to know.

[@jokeychin]

@@catc8927 If it makes you feel better to hear that, I don't mind if he says more. Enjoy.

[@user-vp1vl6yp9t]

But war solves all problems for Americans like the Opium War did for the British. War needs soldiers. Soldiers come from the working class. So, forget about the rich kids. Get your children ready for an all-out war with the Chinese. I wish you the best that your children are smarter than their Chinese classmates. A country that exists in the world is exactly the same as us. You and I live in a society. A country must buy things from other countries to survive, just like we buy things from different stores. Some countries are rich, and their things are expensive, like French Bugatti and Italian Lamborghini, while others are poor, and their things are cheap, like Japanese Toyota and Korean Hyundai. The same goes for the stores we shop at: some are Neiman Marcus and Saks, where rich people shop, and some are Walmart and Target, where poor people shop. Many people like to make fun of China and look down on Made in China because they think they are Neiman shoppers. They consider China the Walmart in the world. But, the awful reality is that they are Walmart shoppers and can't live without Walmart, and so is the USA. Of course, Americans want to rob China, the Walmart, as they used to do when the Walmart security was weak and easily defeated. Unfortunately, the Walmart security they now have to fight is PLA.

[@DavidCoxDallas]

greatly surprised that in all this talk about China's future goals (well, 2025 is close enough that this might not apply) there was zero commentary about the existential jeopardy facing the People's Republic with looming population collapse. CCP decided 35 years ago to implement a 1-child policy. the policy ended 8 years ago but, fundamental damage to China demography had happened in that time: the many millions of missing women due to female infanticide/murder & technically illegal sex-selective abortion in those 27 years.

[@harryzhang3111]

His book will sell. He writes whatever the readers want to read. The true marketing economy at work.

[@munnychinni5386]

Same American propaganda 😂😂

[@johniseppi643]

Free press having their say in a free Democracy. Where’s your free press etc?

[@eatmanyzoos]

we did create the internet you're welcome

[@matthewmorrison3703]

How’s the weather in Beijing?? or is it Moscow???

[@craighughes2191]

You must prefer the taste of the force feed Kremlin vodka.

[@anwiycti1585]

@@craighughes2191in the eyes of those soaked with propaganda , nothing looks elsewise😂😂😂

[@SonaliGurpur]

I am hoping that you can possibly ask your guests for their opinion on the following subjects- 1) Is it possible that "Russia" and "Putin" are not synonymous and interchangeable? 2) Is it very, very probable that Lavrov and many other Russians in high positions are perfectly decent people, highly competent, very well read, very humane, but giving off POW vibes we are not picking up on. It's entirely possible that bad actors have a gun, or energy weapons, or lasers directed at them and their kids and their bank accounts, right? And there's always kompromat and fake sex tapes, followed by fake witnesses. 3) How likely is it that this infection of atrocious behavior is now affecting the Indian government as well? 4) Do you have friends in the FDA, military, DARPA, CIA. FBI, Google, Tesla....that you might be able to talk to about questions 1, 2, and 3?

[@catc8927]

To any fellow American humans: this comments section has been absolutely brigaded by CCP bots, which is a sign that David Sanger is onto something that China/Russia don’t want us to know. That means what he has to say is worth paying extra attention to. (Also, long live Taiwan 🇹🇼 and Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦)

[@randomdude7384]

Xi JinPig.

[@Minnie--ru2ew]

I see ccp bots whining here 😂

[@eatmanyzoos]

I see a bunch of bored kids with no purpose in life besides defending their loosely formed ideas on the internet to strangers

[@user-ed9so2rb4k]

Why didn't you advise Yellen and Blinken before they went begging in China?

[@mgronich948]

Actually I see a lot of Americans who don't buy the neocon propaganda.

[@user-vp1vl6yp9t]

But war solves all problems for Americans like the Opium War did for the British. War needs soldiers. Soldiers come from the working class. So, forget about the rich kids. Get your children ready for an all-out war with the Chinese. I wish you the best that your children are smarter than their Chinese classmates. A country that exists in the world is exactly the same as us. You and I live in a society. A country must buy things from other countries to survive, just like we buy things from different stores. Some countries are rich, and their things are expensive, like French Bugatti and Italian Lamborghini, while others are poor, and their things are cheap, like Japanese Toyota and Korean Hyundai. The same goes for the stores we shop at: some are Neiman Marcus and Saks, where rich people shop, and some are Walmart and Target, where poor people shop. Many people like to make fun of China and look down on Made in China because they think they are Neiman shoppers. They consider China the Walmart in the world. But, the awful reality is that they are Walmart shoppers and can't live without Walmart, and so is the USA. Of course, Americans want to rob China, the Walmart, as they used to do when the Walmart security was weak and easily defeated. Unfortunately, the Walmart security they now have to fight is PLA.

[@Minnie--ru2ew]

@@user-ed9so2rb4k first of all you’re barking at the wrong tree, errrr…comrade 😂 secondly, you sure they’re begging? Continue with your whining 😂

[@user-vp1vl6yp9t]

A country that exists in the world is exactly the same as us. You and I live in a society. A country must buy things from other countries to survive, just like we buy things from different stores. Some countries are rich, and their things are expensive, like French Bugatti and Italian Lamborghini, while others are poor, and their things are cheap, like Japanese Toyota and Korean Hyundai. The same goes for the stores we shop at: some are Neiman Marcus and Saks, where rich people shop, and some are Walmart and Target, where poor people shop. Many people like to make fun of China and look down on Made in China because they think they are Neiman shoppers. They consider China the Walmart in the world. But, the awful reality is that they are Walmart shoppers and can't live without Walmart, and so is the USA. Of course, Americans want to rob China, the Walmart, as they used to do when the Walmart security was weak and easily defeated. Unfortunately, the Walmart security they now have to fight is PLA. But war solves all problems for Americans like the Opium War did for the British. War needs soldiers. Soldiers come from the working class. So, forget about the rich kids. Get your children ready for an all-out war with the Chinese. I wish you the best that your children are smarter than their Chinese classmates.

[@user-vp1vl6yp9t]

But war solves all problems for Americans like the Opium War did for the British. War needs soldiers. Soldiers come from the working class. So, forget about the rich kids. Get your children ready for an all-out war with the Chinese. I wish you the best that your children are smarter than their Chinese classmates. A country that exists in the world is exactly the same as us. You and I live in a society. A country must buy things from other countries to survive, just like we buy things from different stores. Some countries are rich, and their things are expensive, like French Bugatti and Italian Lamborghini, while others are poor, and their things are cheap, like Japanese Toyota and Korean Hyundai. The same goes for the stores we shop at: some are Neiman Marcus and Saks, where rich people shop, and some are Walmart and Target, where poor people shop. Many people like to make fun of China and look down on Made in China because they think they are Neiman shoppers. They consider China the Walmart in the world. But, the awful reality is that they are Walmart shoppers and can't live without Walmart, and so is the USA. Of course, Americans want to rob China, the Walmart, as they used to do when the Walmart security was weak and easily defeated. Unfortunately, the Walmart security they now have to fight is PLA.

[@callas60]

Disgusting talk.

[@handyman7779]

Talk talk talk, and nothing is done.