Complete Zelda Timeline with Echoes of Wisdom

[@commonwealthrealm]

So when is the Next Zelda Game coming out to update this Timeline? ;)

[@PrincessDreamActress]

That is a good question. One thing’s for sure, I hope the gameplay and its story are good and that we can KEEP the weapons instead of them breaking in the middle of battle. Hmm, I can understand why some people think it would be in the Downfall Timeline, and it is plausible. However, I can see it in the Child Timeline as time has passed for one and who knows? Some people might've forgotten about the Triforce's name if not its power along with Ganon until Echoes came along (after all, FSA shows that Ganon was sealed away in the Four Sword). Well that and the Gerudo being able to allow someone outside of their clan help them. Either that or like its recent predecessors it ties the timelines together because of certain elements (i.e. River and Sea Zora coexisting, Condé, etc.) That aside I’d love to see Nintendo do an official backstory on how the Gerudos made the once a century male gerudo birth decree come to be (I made one myself but I'd like to see what answer Nintendo comes up with that fits with the lore and doesn't mess up the timeline); if not I’ll settle for what happens to the Four Sword after Ganon was sealed away in it in Four Sword Adventures. Heck I’d love to see Zelda take the lead again, and this time with her light arrows. Or perhaps even a new adventure where the latest reincarnation of either the princess or the hero would be a shape-shifter. If that doesn't work, I'd love to see details about the adventures before TMC, before FS, and what happens after MM long before Ganondorf's botched excution in TP.

[@a.jthomas6132]

I hope Nintendo can make a Torna-esque TOTK side story where we get to see more Zelda’s journey in the Era of Hyrule’s Founding, adding layers of the Zonai origin, and the Imprisoning War (or Sealing War in Japanese)with her as a playable character. More importantly, add in contents from the Master Works like depicting the Age of the gods (Hylia entrusting the Sacred Stones to the Zonai). And/or the cut Farosh temple content and the Temple of the Sages as you mentioned in the last video. More importantly, give Rauru, Sonia, and Mineru more screentime while making the Ancient Sages more fleshed out at the same time. The Ancient Sage of Lightening would’ve have her own character arc from being Ganondorf’s most entrusted lieutenant in his Gerudo army to defecting her formal king as Ganondorf transforms into the powerful Demon King. My friend and I have been talking over of what could've make TOTK's story better. I suggested exploring Hyrule's distant past with Zelda as a main playable character. He agrees that it would've been better since Princess Zelda has been treated as her own protagonist and it would connect the dots of how the Imprisoning War is tide to the first two Great Calamities and the rise of the Yiga Clan.

[@Omnitrickster0207]

So EoW is after ALBW?

[@RenegadeGamer89]

2028

[@jacobganttbudokai]

i wonder if there is going to be the sequel to phantom hourglass and prequel to spirit tracks or the oracle series remake or the minish cap remake or phantom hourglass remake or spirit tracks remake or four swords series remake or a link between worlds remake or tri force heroes remake or the master quest of a link between worlds or a link to the past remake.

[@Zerolink30]

I like the little fan theory going around that in LBW, Lorule being "eaten" by darkness is actually Null taking the Cosmos back. It feels fitting, you know.

[@firenze6478]

Also, Demise coming from a fissure in the ground was actually a rift

[@nickvandoorsselaere6565]

that make sense as the triforce was probably Preventing null to to complete "eat" the cosmos

[@computernerd1101]

I just realized: If Null was finally destroyed at the end of Echoes of Wisdom, then the Triforce became a prison without a prisoner. Maybe that's why this game called it the Prime Energy: because the Triforce is just a form that the Prime Energy takes (not that the King could have known that Null would soon be destroyed). Without the need for three prison walls, the Prime Energy could take a new form as the gods saw fit. Say for instance, the Secret Stones of the Zonai? Of course, when Lorule destroyed their Triforce, they didn't know that they would be releasing their version of Null from its prison, so of course that backfired on them.

[@linkle123]

But in lorule null should be a god of creation…

[@firenze6478]

@@linkle123 Null does not create, only destroy. That’s why he was sealed away, because he would not allow anything but himself to exist.

[@redxrebel1897]

Any day with jason damron's voice is a good day. Rip the best storyteller ever❤

[@ladynikkie]

This video brings me back this was how I subscribed to your channel back in 2017

[@a.jthomas6132]

The thing I liked about Echoes of Wisdom is that it add another layer to the Legend of Zelda lore: the 'Creation of the World story is what makes this Zelda game so DAMN rich ever since Hylia’s struggle against Demise in Skyward Sword. Each version of Ganon/Ganondorf are indeed the incarnations of Demise and the King of Evil is sought to conquered/dominate Hyrule, but those are just baby steps compared to Null who wants to destroy everything. And given the Kingdom of Hyrule another purpose as a barrier created by the three Golden Goddess (Din, Nayru, and Farore) to keep this ancient evil entity contained is INSANE!

[@AlohaGamester]

I love Commonwealth Realms timeline videos!

[@MoonBeamsChild]

There will never be another storyteller like Jason Damron. He had me hooked from the first word. The Voice Overlord🩵🕊️

[@maccajunior]

"Where Link narrowly dodged an arrow" 😂😂😂 RIP Ruto

[@DaimonAnimations]

1:10:46 I mean if Rauru and Sonia detected a bloodline link between them and Zelda, I think its pretty well implied they had descendants no?

[@OfficialMummyCat]

Came back after not watching this channel for a year and wow what happened there's a cool sounding narrator now. SO COOL!

[@Luckyfiredragon7]

Rip Jason

[@ryderdeston8107]

About time i always enjoy these Timeline videos

[@thehighschooldropout8218]

you were right with your placement of the game well done!

[@thehighschooldropout8218]

i love these zelda timeline videos. im glad that this is a place for pro timeline enthusiasts to share theories

[@Z3ROR]

I loved it. Thanks for this.

[@sketch4068]

I wonder if this could mean the light spirits from ST is just another name for the golden foresees, the way null and malladus were imprisoned were nearly identical

[@slateoffate9812]

1:40 Small detail I'd like to add; I don't think the Void was EVERYWHERE, just where Hyrule's planet was created. I still hold firm to the idea that Din created the land atop a foundation, that being the home of the demon tribe, eventually prompting Demise to breach the earth in revenge. So, Null was, quite possibly, in the skies above the Old World, and wherever the Goddesses came from, they feared Null might one day try to expand its void.

[@a.jthomas6132]

It sucks that Kotake and Koume that is only shown briefly in the Dragon Tears and their names are written in Ganondorf’s gloom weapons. Would it be awesome for The Zelda team to bring back Twinrova in the Era of the Wild? Imagine what kind of boss battle it be if players are in centered with either Link or a playable Princess Zelda. Let alone layering in more backstory of who Ganondorf is before he becomes the Gerudo King, how he mastered the Gloom magic, and building up his own philosophy that he wants to bring back the land to it’s original state.

[@adamdeffendall9428]

Maybe they could be the force behind calamity ganon 1000 years ago with the unnamed hero. Would line up with their counterparts in the oracles games.

[@a.jthomas6132]

@@adamdeffendall9428 Maybe but it needs to be directly tide to the contents of both the Master Works, BOTW continuity, and Creating the Champions.

[@wesleyvl8572]

A other good vidoe dude keep you rock

[@enzokrikorian5580]

I personally would have placed Echoes of Wisdom after Zelda I and Zelda II, because it’s still the same Downfall timeline map we see in ALttP and ALBW, but the kingdom seems be picking itself back up, whereas the kingdom seems to still be all over the place in LoZ 1&2

[@Joe-ik1ph]

I believe that EoW takes place in the Reunified/End Timeline with BotW and TotK. More specifically, EoW takes place before the Zonai descend from the sky and Rauru & Sonia found/refound the Kingdom of Hyrule.

[@JanusHoW]

I'm inclined to believe that Echoes of Wisdom is either the final game in the Downfall Timeline thus far - even after Zelda II, or the converging point for all of the timelines, period. Of these two, I'm inclined to believe the latter. First, Null - while not being almighty - is still unbelievably powerful even when trapped. Without the Tri fairies to undo the rifts, Null could easily tear apart the world on its own. But by consuming Tris, it grew potent enough to _overpower and trap the Golden Goddesses themselves._ When Zelda defeats the bosses of the Eldin, Lanayru and Faron Temples, Din, Nayru and Farore aren't just appearing out of nowhere...they are freed from Null's clutches. Second, I'm inclined to believe that the Golden Goddesses left the Triforce with the full intention of it being used to someday destroy Null, or at least shatter it to the point of harmlessness - sort of like how Sauron was reduced to an impotent spirit after the One Ring was destroyed in Lord of the Rings. But they didn't just do it themselves because they are incapable of destruction, only creation. But they could create mortals who have the capacity for both, and thus left their energy behind for that specific purpose. This also means that the failsafe on the Triforce was not intended just for evildoers in general, but Null. They knew Null, as a being who desired to be the only thing in existence, would value Power above Wisdom or Courage. But they also allowed it to be recombined afterward in order for the priestess and hero to make the wish to destroy Null. Third, Null's ability to create monster echoes is similar to Zelda's - he had to encounter _and defeat_ the original. That means somewhere along the line, Null met Ganon/the source of Demise's curse and destroyed it, and thus became its controller.

[@thatonetime1119]

So a bit of Lovecraftian touch to bind them all…sold. I gotta say killing Gannondorf so many times has gotta put the devs in the corner but having Null exist and let’s just say his existence in the other eras (for talking/argument/theory sake) Would give the devs much needed room to expand…though Suave Ganndorf is another entity none can resist.

[@ryanlevine2015]

Theory: it’s on the part of the timeline where the fallen and child timelines merge.

[@tomrees82]

1:22:38 or, Link defeated Phantom Ganon in Hyrule castle before seeing the memory from the final tear.

[@darklyo3784]

You should totally do the timeline conversion theory and the first Hyrule Warrior game is a perfect way to explain it because it doesn't matter at the end of which timeline Hyrule Warriors takes place in because of the whole timeline mixing shenanigans closed up some remnants of each timeline got left behind in the other timelines, which is why we have myths and legends and references from all three timelines in breath of the wild and tears of the Kingdom

[@a.jthomas6132]

I do not care what everyone thinks if this is non-canon. But what about the Age of Calamity alternate timeline where Terrako went back in time to prevent the deaths of the champions and rewrite history? Since Ganondorf's mummified corpse may still beneath Hyrule Castle's Imprisoning Chamber in this timeline, I hope Nintendo can make a sequel to Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.

[@PrincessDreamActress]

I would like to know how Astor came to be the enemy we faced in Age of Calamity I’ll admit to that. And it would be cool to see Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia being playable characters there. And to have the other sages be named too.

[@a.jthomas6132]

@@PrincessDreamActress Well unfortuntely Astor is consumed by Ganon in Age of Calamity. But making the Ancient Sages more fleshed out, and to providing Rauru, Mineru, and Sonia is a most need! Plus, a bit of add in lore layer such as the Hylia entrusting the Sacred Stones to the Zonai race, and to bring Twinrova back to the Wild era.

[@PrincessDreamActress]

@@a.jthomas6132 I agree on more lore for the BOTW/TOTK items and characters; I would love to see a proper first meeting of Rauru and Sonia and the events leading up to them getting married. Or at least have Twinrova mentioned if they can't be brought back. I'm just curious as to how Astor came to be who he was before being consumed by Ganon, that's what I meant to say. Sorry for not clarifying.

[@javiervasquez625]

Nintendo will never make a sequel to a game which is explicitly non canonical to the official Zelda timeline, so be ready to wait forever.

[@javiervasquez625]

​@@PrincessDreamActress Astor's "origins" are literally shown in the Guardian of Rememberance DLC where it's revealed he was a random Hylian who got handpicked alongside a few others by Harbinger Ganon to become his potential lackey due to their own inherent evil desire and greed for power. Harbinger then used a corrupted Sheikah Core to figure out which one was the most worthy of becoming his _only_ lackey, absorbing the Malice produced by the less powerful candidates (which kills them) and putting it all inside the most Malice-fuelled candidate (which was Astor).

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

What a wonderful telling of the whole legend! I loved hearing the translation of Echoes of Wisdom from the original Japanese! I thought at first Lueburry/Rūberi was a nod to Ravio, but maybe is instead a nod to Robbie (BotW). Now I know you're going to think I sound nitpicky, but I still say that the end cutscene of the Joined Oracle Games (where Link sets out in a boat after defeating the failed resurrectionof Ganon) precedes and leads directly into Link's Awakening (where Link begins already at sea and is shipwrecked). Again, wonderful entry here!

[@firionkaiser8291]

Your second paragraph is true as the oracles is even considered the second chapter of Triforce of the Gods (A Link to the Past) with LA being after it. Reminder that Nintendo Magazine made the altered change in the Encyclopedia while the Historia timeline is pretty much based off all the confirmations made by Nintendo regarding each placement of each title. Add in the games that were added in the Encyclopedia and you have what I would consider the definitive timeline of Hyrule.

[@BuggzyBX]

I still think a hero did come to save Hyrule, preventing it from being flooded. Which leds to Hyrule warriors, then splits again to #1 age of calamity (HW) or #2 Botw then Totk. (Because many items like midna's helmet is in Botw, which if anyone played Hyrule Warriors knows the story of melding timelines). Also the story of Totk can be said that after SkywardSword, link's and zelda's Daughter with raru made Hyrule itself. (Note this also makes sense about the Two Master Swords theory.)

[@a.jthomas6132]

While I find it sad thater Zelda doesn't seem to know Link, I how there is some Zelink moments in Echoes of Wisdom.... even if it is subtle.

[@liberadoporpatriotas9028]

Dam null played itself with making an echo with the essence of ganon which only that triggered the curse again for a new link and zelda

[@nickvandoorsselaere6565]

yep he realy doomed himself there

[@GabeNwagbala]

This is crazy great job! When is the Super Mario Timeline coming with Luigi's Mansion 3 & Wonder?

[@legomaster2538]

@@GabeNwagbala I also want them to upload the Sonic timeline with Frontiers, Superstars, and Shadow Generations.

[@_7thSage-9405]

Great video! Long before Echoes of Wisdom came out, I figured that it would fall exactly where you said it falls on the Timeline. It's awesome to see Nintendo still giving the established timeline it's due! It's the only thing I felt was... Lacking in TOTK.

[@texben123]

I think this is the first time that goddesses actually appeared in Zelda : echoes of wisdom , cause usually you just hear their voices or or recording of them.

[@zeldacommentator4716]

Honestly, I would probably put Echoes of Wisdom before Alttp. I think that after Null was defeated, the tris probably received a new purpose such as building up a world within the void hence why there’s a darkworld in Alttp. Also it could explain phenomenons such as the Depths, because I’m pretty sure the goddesses mentioned something about containing Null beneath the surface, so the Depths could be the void after thousands of years without Null (or however far away Totk is from EoW [if it’s even connected to the same timeline]).

[@legomaster2538]

Please DO NOT take this video down! I haven’t finished Echoes of Wisdom yet! 🙏🏻

[@ryderdeston8107]

I haven't even started yet 😂lol

[@tomrees82]

1:00:03 These take place in the Child timeline. Zelda mentions Twilight.

[@ConnoRants]

I agree so much with the downfall timeline, except I think it could also be placed after Zelda I and Zelda II, as sort of a finale for the timeline.

[@hylian_gamer0142]

I feel like Neil DeGrasse Tyson is telling me the Zelda timeline 🤣

[@thecjgameworld4013]

18:35 OK, we need a correction. The oracle games end off with Link setting sail so this should be before awakening where Link would be called upon, save Hyrule again, then set sail to discover his purpose through the dream of Koholint

[@firionkaiser8291]

The thing is, this changed when they made the Hyrule Encyclopedia timeline. Their reasoning for the change was the fact that Zelda didn't know who Link was. Even though official articles and the Historia before hand both confirmed the oracle games were the next chapter in the Triforce of the Gods saga with Aonuma implying the boat scene was indeed what led into LA. Another reason why I prefer Historia over the Encyclopedia.

[@firenze6478]

@@firionkaiser8291I thought it was changed because link met malin and talon in the oracle games who became marin and tarin in koholint island

[@rmsgrey]

Personally, I put Echoes of Wisdom somewhere before even Skyward Sword. The continuing presence of the Three Goddesses, with none of their later deputies around, and the idea that Null has been creating rifts the entire time which have been being sealed almost immediately, but never thinks to start targeting the Tris, both point to creation being relatively recent. Dampe's automatons could be the precursors of the Lanayru Province sentient mining robots, Might Crystals could be a precursor form of Timeshift Stone, and the Stilled World could be the early stages of the Sacred Realm, particularly with the Triforce being used there at the end of the game. The geography matching that of distant future Hyrule can be explained in several different ways: - Hylia, Goddess of Time is known to have been able to see the entire timeline at once, so she could have copied the future kingdom for the initial creation. - The future creation of sacred buildings could have been guided by visions of the past. - The location and form of the various shrines and temples could have been dictated by the flows of mystical energies that the structures mark, causing very similar structures to be built on the same sites in different eras.

[@firionkaiser8291]

That's not possible for several reasons. The biggest one being Zelda herself. SS was the start of the cycle, its always been intended to be first in that regard. While Nintendo has implied its possible for another game to take place it would be about Hylia and probably along the lines of the SS prequel manga. I dont recall the Goddess of Time ever being stated to being able to see the entire timeline (especially given the fact there's a three way split). So the fact the eastern palace is there and the desert palace is in ruins still points to it being after ALttP or ALBW. The original/ancient Gerudo are depicted to having round ears while the EoW ones do not which implies it's after OoT. Plus the the game makes a direct reference to something that only appeared/happened in ALttP and ALBW.

[@rmsgrey]

@@firionkaiser8291 Zelda is only a problem if you insist that this particular Zelda is a descendant of the incarnation of Hylia rather than being called Zelda for any other reason. If you pay attention to what Fi says during Skyward Sword, she talks about Hylia, from the edge of time, foreseeing all the events of the game, which, among other things, is why she left a hidden sword for Link. Ear shape is something that can change in both directions over enough generations, or with enough cross-breeding with outsiders. As far as the direct reference goes, I could point out that the game shows something that happened long before Ocarina and you'd be equally unable to address my point without my being more specific about what I was thinking of.

[@firionkaiser8291]

​@@rmsgrey They've already made a point that every Zelda descends from SS Zelda, I doubt they're gonna break that spectrum especially when they recently said that both Link and Zelda reincarnate over and over again. The legend within EoW even doubles down on the cycle by establishing the priestess and the hero that would come together to face off against evil whenever trouble arises. Yes Fi says this but that doesn't mean she never mentions anything of seeing the entire timeline and there's hardly any proof that says otherwise and would pretty much be a theory. Just because she foresaw the events of SS doesn't mean she's seen everything, especially with a timeline that has three branching paths. Yes ears can change but they already made it clear that ancient/original Gerudo like the ones we saw in OoT had round ears and mind you all of them had them. They only ever gained pointy ears after several generations of mating with Hylian men so that they could possibly hear special messages from the divine. Having round ears was a dominant trait for them until sometime after the events of OoT. If you're referring to the legend of the goddesses and Null then that doesn't mean much as OoT does the same exact thing within its own game. The only thing EoW did was add onto the story that was already established in ALttP and OoT. Otherwise I'm not sure on which reference you're talking about. Regardless the fact that Null has an echo of Pig Ganon who has only appeared after the events of OoT and majorly in the DT compared to the CT, it just seems to imply its in the DT or even the CT on the off chance its after FSA.

[@rmsgrey]

@@firionkaiser8291 One possible history for the ears is that originally the Gerudo had pointy ears, like Hylians, but picked up a dominant mutation of round ears, so that by the time of Ocarina, they all had round ears, until cross-breeding with the Hylians made the round ears drift out of the gene pool again. I was referring to the ancient legend passed down by the royal family in Ocarina about what happens when someone whose heart is not balanced lays hands on the Triforce - Echoes could be the start of that legend. As for the Pig Ganon form, the fact that Ganondorf, after being trapped in the Sacred Realm (where the Triforce rests) managed to get his hands on Ganon's Trident and turn into Pig Ganon form, combined with the fact that picking up Link's weapon lets Zelda adopt Swordsman form, suggests that Pig Ganon form is actually an echo property of the Trident, not an echo of Ganondorf himself. Loosely speaking, the first half of the game hints at Echoes happening sometime in the far future of LttP/LBW, while the second half suggests that the game takes place very early in the timeline. The obvious third possibility is that the timeline is, as it always has been, rubbish, with individual games making references to other games, or retelling versions of the same legend, but without a consistent, coherent chronology that actually works.

[@texben123]

My only question is, I noticed that the Zonai weren’t mentioned in the first war with demons and Demise, I have a theory that most of them were killed by the demons and we’re probably not mention because they didn’t survive except for a few survivors(Raoru and his sister family/ancestor ) it would explain why they don’t exist in the future.

[@damianzodda]

Great job nice

[@bionuvanui3142]

I think that the ancient hero appears more like a Zonai halfway through Draconifacation, comparing Zonai Rauru to Light Dragon Zelda, though a hybrid works too.

[@AnthonyDaFox]

RIP storyteller.

[@The_major_A]

can you put the audio as a podcast on spotify please it would be sooooo good!!!!!

[@danield1262]

I would place echoes even later in the timeline namely hundreds of years after Adventure of Link. The central hyrule map could still be similar to Alttp since Zelda 1+2 takes place in northeastern hyrule. The fact that both ganon(just an echo in this game) and the triforce seem to be forgotten by most is a strong argument. Also enemies like Aruroda and Moas only ever appeared in Adventure of Link prior to this. This would also explain some of the throwbacks to botw/totk placing this a few thousand years before said games

[@caitlin-5768]

"Gibdoo" 😂 Great update, though!

[@Chaoscontrol83]

12:24 is when Ganondorf went full Sauvemente 😅

[@tomrees82]

1:01:10 No. Dinraal, Naydra, & Farosh are not random Zonai that swallowed stones. They're the 3 golden goddesses after creating the world.

[@LinkAlmeida]

Zora princesses really do have a thing for Links

[@skyesilverwing8922]

I maintain my belief that the Triforce broke in Ocarina of Time because Ganondorf's wish when he touched it was something along the lines of "to have the power to rule over Hyrule." So it gave him the Triforce of Power. I further maintain that the second time Ganondorf acquired the full Triforce (When he killed the Hero of Time at the start of the Downfall Timeline), he wished for an eternal body, so the Triforce gave him the piglike form we see throughout the rest of the Downfall timeline, which uses Ganondorf's magic to regenerate over time. I maintain my belief that Twilight Princess doesn't fit with the rest of the games, because it is the only instance in the entire series of the Hero getting the Triforce of Courage without doing something to earn it. I don't buy the idea that the Hero of Time broke the Triforce by being sent into the past with the Triforce of Courage in his possession (it is still in the Adult Timeline), and he never opened the way for Ganondorf to find the Triforce in the Child Timeline. I would put forth that perhaps, the "Favor of the Gods" wasn't ever the Triforce, but was, instead, the Power of the Blood of the Goddess, the Curse of Demise, and the Spirit of the Hero manifesting in the same way the Pieces of the Triforce did. During the game, the Triforce is never referred to by name, nor do the physical golden Triangles appear (not counting backstory cut-scenes), even when Ganondorf dies and the "Favor of the Gods" abandons him. I maintain my belief that the reason the Hero did not appear when Ganon returned in the Adult Timeline was not because the Spirit of the Hero had left the timeline with the Hero of Time, but rather, because the people of Hyrule remembered the Hero of Time, and expected him to return to save them again, resulting in no one courageous enough to have the Spirit of the Hero stepping up to fill the role. Instead of doing the Heroic thing, they waited and cried out to be saved. It wasn't until the Hero of the Winds stepped up to face the darkness that the Spirit of the Hero found a new Hero to inhabit. I also maintain my belief that the Master Sword was actually lost when Zelda sent the Hero of Time back into the Past. The version we see in Windwaker is far too different from every other version of the sword to be the same weapon, which is consistent in its form across nearly every other game it appears in. I believe they realized after sending the Hero of Time into the Past that he had still has the sword with him, so they needed to create a new version of the sword that was a pale imitation of the one created by the Goddess Hylia and the Hero of the Sky. This smaller blade did not have the power to repel evil instilled into it, and had to receive that power from an outside source. Future Zelda Games I would like to see: I want there to be a game where you play as Ganondorf through the events of Ocarina of Time. It would have some training with the Garudos as a Tutorial, followed by Ganondorf seeking out Twinrova at the Spirit Temple, and learning about his potential as a Sorcerer, and then going around and cursing the temples and special places of the Tribes to open the way to the Sacred Land, and then, when Link opens it for him, he would have to go through the Sacred Land, searching for more power with which to reveal the hiding place of the Triforce so he can claim it, leading to a final battle against the Hero and Princess of Time. I also want an Imprisoning War game wherein, after the Hero fell to Ganon, the remaining Knights of Hyrule and the other Six Sages must gather resources, rescue Zelda, mount a counter offensive against Ganon's forces and find a way to stop Ganon from Conquering everything even though he has the full Triforce. They really do need to do Remakes for the Original LoZ and Zelda 2. It is weird that there are two Zeldas at the same time during that part of the History, and those games and stories could use a facelift anyway. I hope to see games that focus on elements that would be present on all three Timelines but were only "dealt with" on one timeline. For instance, the Mirror of Twilight probably still exists in both the Downfall and Adult Timelines, allowing for something along the lines of "Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Sea". Argueably, the same could be said for items like the Four Sword (with Vaati still sealed inside) the Spirit Tracks (holding the Demon Lord Malladus), and the Tris (sealing the Rifts to try to stop Null from eating the world), as well as different forms of more free-roaming evil forces, like Majora, Bellum, Onox, and Veran.

[@computernerd1101]

My personal theory of the downfall timeline: Link, the Hero of Time, drew the Master Sword, but wasn't sealed away for seven years, because neither was any other child Link who drew the Master Sword. Ganondorf seized the Triforce while Link was busy drawing the Master Sword. Because Ganondorf's soul was imbalanced, the Triforce split. Ganondorf only had the Triforce of Power. The Triforce of Wisdom went to Zelda, while the Triforce of Courage went to Link, who was in the same room as Ganondorf. Link was caught completely off Guard, so much so that not even the Master Sword could save his life from Ganondorf. Ganondorf now had two thirds of the Triforce. He went on a rampage looking for Zelda and her Triforce of Wisdom. Zelda realized that as long as she stayed hidden, Ganondorf's rampage would continue to endanger innocent lives. So she and the sages lured Ganondorf into a trap, using the Triforce of Wisdom as bait. Zelda entered the sacred realm, then opened multiple doors to the material realm, drawing Ganondorf's attention and luring him away from endangered civilians. She separated the Triforce of Wisdom from herself, so that she would not be engulfed in her own trap (which would have been the exact opposite of wise). Ganondorf took the bait, sealing him in a tight magical prison within the sacred realm, along with the complete Triforce. Zelda and the sages returned to Hyrule, but the doors to the Sacred Realm were not as secure as Ganondorf's prison deeper inside. Greedy people who had heard of the Triforce but didn't know its fate tried to take it for themselves by entering the Sacred Realm, only to find that Ganondorf's malice had transformed it into the dark world, transforming all its inhabitants into animals - the same curse that transformed Ganondorf into the giant blue boar Ganon. TL;DR Generations later, a new Link drew the Master Sword, again as a child. This time, he had plenty of time to prepare for his final confrontation with Ganon, freeing seven maidens descended from sages in the process. Despite Ganondorf possessing the complete Triforce, the new Link was able to defeat him and take the Triforce for himself. Link used the Triforce to wish for the resurrection of all Ganon's victims. Recent victims, such as his own uncle, were resurrected in the present. But rather than resurrect the long-gone Hero of Time in an era when everyone he knew would be expired by old age at best, he was instead resurrected in a split timeline that started in his own era, creating an actual Link to the Past (a game that otherwise doesn't seem to involve any time travel, despite its title). However, the time spirits knew that if Link were resurrected immediately after his downfall, he would suffer the same fate. Therefore, using the power of the Triforce blessed with a wish from an alternate future, the spirits of time sealed Link away the moment he drew the Master Sword, and released him seven years later. This was the only time the Master Sword imposed an age limit on its wielder - not because he was too young, but because the consequences of him being too young, combined with other factors, had already been established.

[@RenegadeGamer89]

Been waiting on this one. I absolutely loved Echoes Of Wisdom

[@firionkaiser8291]

Its time like this where I wish they would go back and have a game that takes place in Zelda and Zelda 2's Hyrule for a change. Its bizarre that damn near every DT game takes place in the ALttP/ALBW Hyrule all the time. Would it really kill them to have a game that takes place after Zelda 2 AoL? Not counting BotW and TotK.

[@swinto4795]

What I am just wondering is how the goddesses could survive the null world since null kept nullify everything that started to sprout, where they from another world or where did the goddesses come from?

[@g.l.vstudios3104]

Will you do a Metroid timeline again since Metroid Prime 4 Beyond coming out next year?

[@commonwealthrealm]

Yes, will do after itt is out. Just like we did with Dread back in 2021!

[@g.l.vstudios3104]

@@commonwealthrealm Okey :D

[@artemi7]

So is the ALTTP Link the one with the most games in the series? ALTTP, Link's Awakening, and the two Oracle games? That's kinda wild!

[@yang6642]

Only ALTTP and LA, it’s a different Link in the Oracle games

[@artemi7]

@@yang6642 Oh really? I thought there was a thing about the Oracle games happening after LA but before he got back to Hyrule proper, somewhere?

[@reifuTD]

21:07 I really hope they redo the Oracle Games, I say redo not remake because at the time the Oracle Games where too ambitious like having three games cut down to two. So they could in theory add another 1/3 to the game if they add the Secrets Quest and in addition play more with the mechanics Time travel and time manipulation.

[@javiervasquez625]

Why add a third game to a duology which is already perfect as it is? Might as well make brand _new_ titles which actually succeed in been part of a trilogy instead of "redoing" what was ultimately a failed attempt.

[@reifuTD]

@@javiervasquez625 Who said anything about making three games? It can be one game with three adventures paths that can be taken in any order since Zelda games are bigger now. Have Link/player walks up to the Triforce in three peices and each triforce piece sends him off on an adventure with a new area. Beat all three area and you unlock Hyrule to finished the game and save Zelda.

[@yatanogarasu]

Wanna add Age of Calamity into the video as an alternate timeline?

[@ladynikkie]

I wonder if Hyrule historia is going to get rewritten after the events of tears of the kingdom, and echoes of wisdom.

[@javiervasquez625]

No need to as _Master Works_ already confirms Nintendo's stance on the official timeline by placing both Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom at the end of the timeline regardless of wether it takes place after Spirit Tracks, Four Swords Adventures or Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link. Echoes of Wisdom will definetly not affect Tears of the Kingdom's placement given Nintendo's insistence at putting the Wild Era at the very end of all timelines.

[@EvyDevy]

Huh, so EoW is between ALBW and HF/LoZ 1 here? Makes sense to put it after ALBW given the decayed state of the desert place. I would have put it after AoL/LoZ 2 but who knows if we'll get another game going into it.

[@javiervasquez625]

The geography of Zelda 2's Hyrule looks far too inconsistent with A Link to the Past's Hyrule (which is the basis for Echoes to Wisdom's Hyrule) for the kingdom to conveniently change its geography back to what it was back during the times of ALttP.

[@EvyDevy]

@@javiervasquez625 Depends on how seriously you take the geography. Hyrule geography isn't 100% inline with the lore. Also, Four Swords Adventures was semi-based off ALttP as well. (Minus Lake Hylia on top of Zora's Domain/Waterfall and Lost Woods below Kakariko Village.) Though not as accurate as ALBW and EoW. Whereas places tend to move around a lot. The state of the desert palace shows it's after ALBW at the very least. Still, that's a good reason anyway.

[@javiervasquez625]

@@EvyDevy Yeah well, as stated in my previous comment, Nintendo would have no choice but to explain the suddenly flooding of Hyrule's borders in the Child Timeline in order to make any sense of the disparity between EoW's Hyrule been on dry land while FSA's conveniently suffered a similar fate to The Wind Waker's Hyrule. Nintendo wouldn't be that lazy to shove such a plotpoint aside after introducing an in-lore explanation for the creation of The Great Sea.

[@Simmlex]

Zelda and Link hit that lake in tears of the Kingdom at terminal velocity. They should have exploded in a spectacle splat of blood, gore and organs since water is like concrete at that point XD But I guess that'd not make a very satisfying ending XD

[@WinspearUltima]

I’m glad the Zelda timeline is still being updated, I definitely need to play Echos of wisdom sometime after being mega disappointed with Tears of the kingdom.

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

1:27:30 Just saying here. HOW THE HECK DID ZELINK SURVIVE THAT FALL? Even in water from that height the water should have been similar to hitting ice and broken every single one of their bones.

[@8BitWags]

2nd narrator (Skyward sword) sounds like the guy from Final Affliction videos?

[@firenze6478]

I think that eow comes after zelda 2 as no one even remembers the name of the triforce, the gerudo have returned, the albw palaces are barely recognizable ruins.

[@YadraVoat]

Is this a synthetic voice-over? Something seems odd about it.

[@thehighschooldropout8218]

its been edited a lot. the original voice (jason dameron) retired and then shortly after passed away. then for eow botw and totk is a new VA

[@adamdeffendall9428]

Huh i more i look at the complexity of the zelda timelines; the more i think it needs to be reworked into a single (either reuniting the three or a non branching) timeline.

[@javiervasquez625]

I see Breath of the Wild as just that even if Nintendo didn't show us a visual depiction of a timeline "unification". The Era of the Wild is pretty much what happens thousands of years after every single timeline has taken place.

[@H_Alexander_A]

Very jazzy

[@Knowledgedom4]

Man after a year and a quarter of TOTK releasing, I can't help but still feel disappointed that it completely ruined timeline canon worse than even the Star Wars sequels. The gameplay was still really good albeit the same as BOTW but the organized canon was completely destroyered. Maybe the next game will explain it idk.

[@Flozia_]

Slight disagree on my part. The triforce's name being forgotten in EoW makes it hard to fit before the NES games, i would rather put it afterward.

[@charmedforlife165]

Its funny that the new complete timeline is the shape of a rupee

[@ZeoViolet]

You can't convince me that BotW/Tears of the Kingdom are anything but set in the distant future of the timelines. They carry references to the previous games all over the damned place, be it known history or legends. Having it be its own separate pair of games is a bunch of hooey with all those references. You can scarcely claim "stories and legends" in a setting where they never happened, and so have no precedent for existing, not to mention stuff like the Master Sword existing for...I dunno, no reason at all, came from the thin air, did it? Writing TotK, they didn't realize until perhaps too late that they'd write themselves into a bit of a corner. There is nothing preventing the Zonai from having come from some other realm (after the first Hyrule's final downfall) and settled in Hyrule with a whole bunch of Secret stones, staying for a time, some interbreeding with Hylians (seriously their ears during that time are SO BIG!), and some moving on to other places or realms, so in the end, there were only two left. Raru was unusually powerful, and he met and fell in love with a woman who was also both very powerful _and_ had the power of Time, not to mention being a direct descendant of the goddess Hylia. Raru's "light" power probably touched and reawakened the power of the Triforce that had gone dormant in the bloodline of the goddess.

[@JCardo2502]

Are we still trying to put games in the timeline after the TotK shenanigans? 🤨

[@commonwealthrealm]

Echoes of Wisdom revived the Timeline in a big way!

[@JCardo2502]

@@commonwealthrealm I’m very disilusioned with the franchise after TotK

[@ChaoticHoly]

As someone who thought that BotW & TotK took place in an alternate timeline entirely that was spun-off from the time travelling near the end of Skyward Sword (which effectively created a new timeline where Link either died to Demise who was then sealed by Zelda/Hylia thereby setting the stage for SS, which I thought BotW & TotK based based from OR Link defeats Demise thereby creating a new reality that the rest of the series is based off of), I was unsurprised and unbothered by Nintendo stating that the two games are doing their own thing.

[@Zelda-rk7xc]

Not a fan of echoes of wisdom 🤦🏼‍♀️ - bought it mostly for my grandchildren(8 +10 years old) and I to play - they played it a few times but think it's too annoying and childish after the freedom of BOTW and TOTK - I agree 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@OmegaFox09]

So wait, the English lore is different rom the original lore of the Japanese for Echoes of Wisdom?

[@mrkazza5531]

the flames of what???

[@subtlegong2817]

I just realized that Din, Nayru, and Farore are just a bunch of dirty colonizers.

[@digitaladventurer2142]

Echo's lore really doesn't make any sense. So the Goddesses couldn't destroy Null only imprison him but later Zelda and Link are able to destroy him by using the Triforce which is literally just a portion of the Goddesses power. So the full power Goddesses couldn't destroy something that was able to be destroyed later using only a portion of their power without them even being directly present.

[@WindMageMaster]

The Triforce is more than “a portion of their power”. If anything, it’s at least the power of all three of them combined. It can bend reality to the wishes of the beholder.

[@digitaladventurer2142]

@@WindMageMaster even so though the fact the Goddesses couldn't destroy Null directly is still hard to believe. Couldn't they have just combined their powers when they faced him? Or why not use the power of the Triforce to destroy him? I know it can't be used by divine beings but since they made that rule couldn't they break it? I mean it really does bug me that 2 mortal beings using their power could do something they couldn't.

[@WindMageMaster]

@@digitaladventurer2142 I don’t think they actually would be worthy of the Triforce’s power, even if they could break the “no divine being” rule. You need to have power, wisdom, and courage to use it. Each goddess only has one of those virtues, so it probably wouldn’t work. Them collectively creating a powerful artificial doesn’t mean each goddess suddenly has complete control and superiority over it. It’s the ultimate power in the universe, created jointly by them, that requires each of their abilities within an individual to gain access to. The Triforce being more powerful than them makes sense, the same way that humans jointly create things more powerful than themselves in real life all the time. A mortal with the three virtues wishing to destroy Null would do exactly that, the same way Goddess Hylia could not destroy Demise, but Link’s Triforce wish did.

[@javiervasquez625]

​@@WindMageMaster Beautifully said, although i wouldn't say the Triforce is "more powerful than them" without arguing semantics as to wether the very essence of an immortal deity suddenly can be considered seperate from the deity themselves. The Triforce is basically the goddesses's very "spirits" fused as one without the goddesses's consciousness been contained within it.

[@firenze6478]

Null has been massively nerfed by his imprisonment in creation. We don’t fight a full powered Null

[@sakuramoonlight4925]

That's not the complete timeline imo. You forgot the whole stuff we found out in botw and totk. For example how the zonai and hylians created the kingdom and the imprisoning war

[@yang6642]

…did you turn the video off halfway through? The Zonai history and imprisoning war were both covered

[@olivercarr1060]

Totk Fake Zelda was Phantom Ganon, not the yiga

[@yang6642]

The Yiga also disguise themselves as Zelda

[@olivercarr1060]

@@yang6642 true

[@HuskiesGaming2000]

What about Hyrule warriors

[@yang6642]

Neither of them are canon

[@GehrmanSparrow_TheWorld]

11:01

[@victoriablair27]

The sec9nd I heard of this game I k ew it was set after Link Between Worlds because of the rifts.

[@ZayaMillis]

CONDE!!!!!!

[@FlynnWolf17]

Is this narrator AI generated?

[@a.jthomas6132]

No it’s not. They’re actual voice actors narrating through the timeline.

[@godhoward3144]

Stealing a dead mans voice with AI.. Thats fucked up

[@yang6642]

Jason Damron’s sections in the video were recorded years ago🙃

[@liberadoporpatriotas9028]

36:35 bad edit

[@churrbumlion]

First

[@unOrigiNik]

Not loving this narrator. Is it AI generated? Sounds very unnatural at times