Compare the Top 4 Dual Boiler Espresso Machines 2017

[@eviesyd]

This is exactly what I need for comparison ! Thanks a lot team!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Evie, You are welcome. If interested here's our video with our top semi-automatic machines of 2020. Some from 2017 still in the list but with important upgrades: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJiToZxrnJWAmLs Marc

[@frankspastic]

Thank you for the super informative videos to help me finally make my decision on a prosumer espresso machine! It's a major investment so I've put several hours into watching a lot of your videos... some multiple times! Now I can't wait for my Expobar Brewtus IV-R to come in! The only question I have is drainage out of the Expobar... You guys don't have any videos about drainage connections (not just from the machine, but connecting it to a sink) so I'd love to see a video like that! Thanks again for all the great help :-)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi f, You are welcome and thanks you for the comment. Congrats on your Brewtus IV-R it's a wonderful machine! Thanks for the video suggestion. You are right we do not have a video for drain connection. Assume you mean from the drip tray? You may want to bookmark our support wiki for the Brewtus: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Expobar_Brewtus_IV It's loaded with use and maintenance info, videos, manuals, diagrams and more. Marc

[@anotherguycalledsmith]

Marc, thanks a lot! Still relevant in 2022 ;-)

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AGCS, You are welcome!

[@Murat1982turkey]

Hello, can 10 15 Espresso stack up? And can I use steam wand at the same time? For a small boutique venue. Will it last long? I want to use it on my coffee mobile bike on my bike.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Murat, not familiar with that machine and cannot find any mention of it in online search. Marc

[@jubbernaut4049]

You guys convinced me to get the expobar for our own house warming gift. Great content.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey J, Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@dambuster6387]

I have the Expobar very stable temp when brew and steam boiler are switched on at the same time Had it now for 6 months very reliable

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi D, Thanks for sharing your comment. The Brewtus is very stable! A heat-exchanger in the service boiler pre-heats water for the brew boiler which helps!

[@dambuster6387]

I have noticed that the service boiler sends hot water to the brew boiler which improves the brew boiler temp, do a lot more shots with out the brew boiler dropping in temp

[@krystleroy3068]

I love the r58 design but I also love the ecm syn. But I love the flow control you can add can you do that as well with the 58?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi KR, Thanks for the comment and question. While we've tested the flow control on Rocket E61 groups and it works the FCD is not currently available as an upgrade in the US.

[@itamarkas]

Are there more DB with HX between the steam boiler and the brew boiler? I wonder what machine has better thermal stability with a SCACE device check - The Expobar or the ECM/Profitec.Did you check it? Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi i, Thanks for the question. The Brewtus IV is the only DB machine we carry (and that I'm aware of) with an HX section in the service boiler feeding the brew boiler. We regularly Scace all these machines - it's part of the bench prep before they ship. With PID, all the machines are very accurate in initial brew temps. We do see a difference occasionally in recovery time. The Expobar in general is faster. On the flip side pulling many shots rapidly may cause brew temp overshoot but it's minimal and one has to pull many shots in rapid succession to get there.

[@joellestp]

Hello, where would you say the Quickmill Vetrano evo stands with respect to the 700 and Synchronika?

[@godsgloryseekers2488]

I’m new to this whole experience, however if I’m looking for excellent cafe style coffee or latte with a durable machine and easy to use which machine would you recommend, was looking at rocket , mozzafioto, or ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Gail, Thanks for the question. The Rocket Mozzafiato is a good machine and very capable of making cafe quality drinks. Easy to use is a subjective judgement. At that level of machine you will have the capability of brewing and steaming simultaneously due to heat-exchange boiler. if you step down to a single boiler machine you cannot brew and steam simultaneously. If in the US it might be best if you spoke by phone with one of our coffee experts. Most are former baristas. They can more deeply assess your needs and set you up with the equipment that meets those and your budget. You can reach them at 585-924-7170. Marc

[@godsgloryseekers2488]

Thank you !

[@F6Hawk]

ECM Syncronika or Profitec 700? From watching several of your videos, both seem like solid, quality machines. Looking at the knobs vs levers, would the knobs allow one a finer control for steaming? Or do the spring loaded knobs tend to cause them to operate more like the levers? If you were to buy one of these two machines, which would you pick, and why?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Dave, Thanks for the question. The Synchronika and Pro 700 are essentially identical internally - guessing you knew that :). Key differences are the knobs vs. levers, gauge placement and finishing details. The sprung valves are very close to levers in control of steaming power. They go from full closed to full open with a quarter turn so it's difficult to have precise control of steam release by turning the knob. But, you can control steaming power by adjusting the temperature and therefore the steam pressure in the boiler. Gauges are mounted up high on the face of the Synchronika so easier to see when using machine. For finish details, both are excellent but the Synchronika is a cut above with angled portailters, matching chromed accents on control levers and PF handles. Also has more detail in the group head which has a subtle taper and a more "designed" end to the E61 exhaust tube. Synchronika is very easy to open up. Personally I'd choose the Synchronika. I open a lot of machines up and the Synchronika is the easiest. I appreciate the finer details and especially the angled PFs which make tamping and locking in easier. You pay a bit more for all that but I can easily justify in my mind knowing I'll be looking at it and using for years to come. Hope that helps! Marc

[@BillyBobpeeps]

Hi Mark, Which machine can take the tallest glass receptacle for brewed coffee? Great vid, lots of detail and well presented, Ta.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi BB, Thanks for the question. This is an older video. Expobar machine is no longer available in the US. Of the remaining machine best clearance for taller cups is the ECM Synchronika: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control Marc

[@u2jewel]

Hi, I noticed that the side panels on the Synchronika are black, along with cup tray that wasn't there before. Is that the new model, version, or option?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jewel, Black panels are an option. Good eye! Wondered when someone would notice!!!

[@btflday777]

Thank you Marc for this very clear and informative comparison! I own my ECM Synchronica, paired with the ECM V-Titan 64 grinder, for about 1 year now, and can't be happier! Learned a lot from the many videos from WLL, which helped making the purchasing decisions. I also adopted the WEMO switch in my setup, my machine is always ready in the morning. What I wasn't able to do is installing a direct water line due to physical constraints in my kitchen. In order to avoid descaling, I am using the BWT water pitcher filtering together with the Bestsave M Anti Scale Filter in the reservoir. Hope this will get me "close" to the plumed BWT filter performance. Any thoughts on this filtering combination? Maybe a comparison video between the plumed and reservoir+pitcher filter? Cheers, Rudolf

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Rudolf, You are welcome! And, thank you for your detailed comment!!! The Synchronika and Titan are a capable and beautiful pair. Too bad you can't work in the plumbed filter. It would really up the ease of use factor - especially since you have the wifi switch. With the BWT pitcher and anti scale filter in the reservoir I suspect you are fine. What I need to do is get out my test kits and see how the two setups affect TDS, alkalinity, pH, Ca and Mg levels with my source water.

[@auachee]

Thanks for sharing your experience! I appreciate a lot bot of the comments, would love to see the comparison, lots of details to point! Rudolf, congrats for the purchase. Marc, did you get any time to handle that subject yet?

[@dogmaticpyrrhonist543]

I like that idea of a power timer. I kept meaning to ask someone if it was OK. Some electronics don't like such things. Seems the answer is to for it.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DP, Adding a timer is a life changing experience! So nice to have a machine all heated up and ready to go. You are right, machines with electronically activated power circuits usually don't work with power timers. But, all the machines in this video have mechanical power switches so works like a charm! As mentioned be sure the switch is rated to handle the current load of your machine.

[@dogmaticpyrrhonist543]

Whole Latte Love awesome. I have a bunch of folders already from the turtle aquarium collection. Thanks heaps for the info. :)

[@knykcom]

Hope there is a review on Chinese WPM espresso machine

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi KN, If we get one someday we'll review it!

[@oskarvelcek6516]

hello, you never did Lelit Bianca review did you?

[@azimjamal9726]

Oskar Velcek because they don’t sell it🤷‍♂️

[@collinnoble1382]

How does the QUICKMILL VETRANO 2b EVO compare with theses guys?

[@feralferret]

If other PID-controlled single boiler heat-exchangers (like the Rocket Chronometro) can already brew and steam at the same time, what advantage do dual boilers have? Are single-boiler heat-exchangers limited to an extent?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi ff, Thanks for the question. In dual boilers one can set individual temps for the boilers. In PID HX machine you set boiler temp to get a desired brew temp. So depending on brew temp desired you are limited in adjustment to steam pressure - can run higher pressure in dual boiler machine without effecting brew temp. Marc

[@msheard5905]

I am thinking about purchasing the Rocket R58 and I noticed that you recommended to pair it with the BWT Bestmax water filtration system. I looked up the BWT Bestmax Premium filter and one of the warnings on this filter was, "Not for use with machines that have components made from copper, galvanized, chromium-plated or nickel-plated material". The boiler in the Rocket R58 is copper and brass. Am I misunderstanding this or should I avoid this filter, even though it appears designed for espresso machines?

[@msheard5905]

just to clarify, I obtained this information from www.espressoplanet.com/BWT-Bestmax-PREMIUM-Water-Filter-and-Softener-Systems.html. I went to the BWT website and could not find this same warning on this product.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MS, Thanks for the question. Do you have a link to the warning? I have not heard or seen that before.

[@msheard5905]

Hi, thanks for getting back to me. I included the link in the previous reply. Since then, I have done some more research on the BWT website and found what they may have been referring to. On the BWT website, www.bwt-group.com/en/Products/Pages/product.aspx?pid=FS22P01A00v(BWTGROUP)#product, (not sure why the link isn't working) I opened up the PDF manual and it states, "6.3 Material selection When selecting the material, remember that decarbonised water contains free carbonic acids. To prevent corrosion, BWT recommends that no components made from copper, galvanised, chromium-plated or nickel-plated materials are installed between the filter system and the appliance." That said, they also identify this filter to be suitable for espresso machines etc, which are pretty much made of copper pipes...Should I be concerned at all?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi, Thanks for providing the link. BWT definitely recommends the Bestmax Premium filter for espresso machines. So I agree the 6.3 section in the pdf manual is confusing! Perhaps the key phrase is " ...between the filter system and the appliance." They do not specify those materials are problematic in the appliance. I'm contacting BWT to get clarification and will update with their response.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MS, Contacted BWT in regards to the free carbonic acids and risk of corrosion. Here is their clarification: "That warning is primarily for the original Bestmax filters, but they included it with the premium manual as well. The risk is that if you set it to blend setting 0 that the filter will run 100% of the water through the ion exchange. Calcium is replaced by hydrogen which lowers the Ph and makes the water more corrosive. In the manual, none of the blend settings they recommend will result in this occurring." Hope that helps! When operated as recommended in the manual no risk of corrosion. Marc

[@ajitnambiar]

Thank you Marc. This was helpful. I had three clarifications: [1] I am inclined to buy the R58 cinquantotto vs. the ECM Synchronika but am wondering if the flow control that you are providing for ECM will make a difference to the coffee output? [2] I wanted to validate that the ~1.5 bar stream pressure in R58 vs. the ~2 bar pressure in ECM results in the same quality of frothing/steam though the ~2 bar could result in faster steaming [2]I ruled out Profitec 700 given its similar to ECM Synchronika and ECM has better external features. Would you be aligned? Thanks in advance! ~ajit

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Ajit, The flow control opens up new possibilities. Things like a very long low flow pre-infusion to tame brightnes in fressh from roast specialty coffees. Here's a video with 2 simple flow techniques that make a huge difference in extraction quality: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l160coKlbbuaa6M The extra steam pressure in the Synchronika or Pro 700 has a few benefits: Faster steaming, more vigorous roll in pitcher for finer milk texture and capacity to steam more milk before reduction in steam pressure. The Pro 700 and Synchronica are nearly identical internally in specs, components and construction. The difference is as you mention external finish quality. So yes, I am aligned. Hope that helps! Marc

[@jamesb.ofdesertdistrict567]

It says on your site that Expobar is old product listing...

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DD, Yes, Expobar ceased making machines for US market. After a recent acquisition they will continue under the Crem brand with new NSF rated machines for the US market. Understand this video is from 2017. We do leave up old videos. Marc

[@jackpast]

Can’t say enough about my Belkin WiFi receptacle! Bought the Synchronika and the receptacle at the same time about 3 months ago. Pulling great shots every day!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi jp, Thanks for the comment. A machine that's heated up and ready to go is a wonderful thing - especially a Synchronika!

[@MOBASHHA]

Thanks Marc for the fully informative video, regarding the ECM is it possible to do pre-infusion when connected to reservoir?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Hussain, You are welcome and thank you for the comment. You cannot do pre-infusion unless plumbed in. You can do pre-wetting of the coffee puck. Residual pressure in the boiler will push out a bit of water onto the coffee puck. It's not much maybe 30ml and there not much pressure behind it. Marc

[@MOBASHHA]

Whole Latte Love thanks a million for your reply, you are the best 👍🏼

[@Wholelattelovepage]

You are welcome!

[@gencosmani4250]

Hi Marc, Does the stainless steel boiler on the ECM make a difference compared to the copper boiler on the Rocket ? Could you please explain? Many thanks in advance! Best G

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Genc, Thanks for the question. IMO no difference. Technically copper is better transferring/holding heat. But, copper boilers use thinner metal than stainless boilers so not much difference as a heat sink. Some manufacturers have told me they believe scale is less likely to occur in stainless. Rocket does make a bunch of machines with stainless boilers including the R Nine One their top of the line domestic/home machine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWKqd6x3YqmLjsk Marc

[@gencosmani4250]

Whole Latte Love, Many thanks!

[@waleedezmirly6265]

Hi Marc, thanks for the great review, does the bigger boiler size in the ECM would make a difference over the R58? Should I get the ECM for this reason? And last how is the steam pressure of the ECM compared to R58? Are they the same? Which one is better in making nicer microfoam milk?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Waleed, Thanks for the questions. The current ECM Synchronika has best in class steaming power with steam boiler running at about 2 bar max. R58 runs about 1.5 bar max. Making nicer microfoam is dependent on user technique but most prefer higher steam power for bets results. More info and newer Synmchronika video here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control Marc

[@joethebigshow1]

could you still recommend the ecm syn to this day? or are there better options in this price range? thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi jtbs1, Yes I can still recommend. IMO it remains as the best in its class. It's had a few upgrades since this video. Big one is flow control of the E61 group - amazing if you do fresh from roast specialty coffees and more. We have this article which covers some of those capabilities and includes profile graphs for various coffee types and extraction styles: www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/intro-to-calculating-flow-rate-on-e61-group-machines Marc

[@joethebigshow1]

@@Wholelattelovepage so helpful! Thank you

[@mawhiteside]

In future reviews it would be helpful to compare the maximum noise level in decibels generated by these machines. Early risers want to know!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi M, Thanks for the suggestion. I will say there not a huge difference in noise in these machines. All have rotary pumps with very similar noise levels. Different story when you go to vibration pump machines which are a little noisier. If you want a silent machine go to a plumbed in manual lever machine. There are some which never run the pump! Marc

[@rustler08]

Why? The grinder is going to be far louder.

[@lucnoo]

I need hole information about the machine for my client. Can i have it. The price for distributor in vietnam.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LOt, Lot of info on all machines here: www.wholelattelove.com/ For distributor in Vietnam I'd contact manufacturers directly for a source. Marc

[@ManuelRodriguez-hv1vp]

WLL: any idea when the Synchronica with flow control will be back in stock?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Manuel, They have been very popular. We received a bunch a few days ago. Unfortunately they all shipped to customers who had pre-ordered. If you like you can pre-order the Synchronika w/Flow Control by calling 585-924-7170. You'd get the Synchronika with the stock mushroom now and the FCD would ship when back in stock.

[@ikuraboy]

Hi, I'm looking for home espresso machine, What is the advantage of spending more for the dual boiler compare to heat exchanger.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi YH, Thank you for the question. A few general advantages... temperature stability in heavy use. Recent HX machines with PID are very good and generally do not require cooling flush prior to brewing. HX machines without PID almost always require a cooling flush. The majority of DB machines are plumbable to waterline and have rotary pumps which are more robust than the vibration pumps found in many HX machines. Steaming and hot water output on DB machine has zero affect on brew temperatures. That's not always the case on HX machines. A few DB machines like the Profitec Pro 700 and ECM Synchronika can do line pressure pre-infusion when plumbed to a waterline. Not aware of any HX machines with that capability. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have more questions! Marc

[@ikuraboy]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you very much for your answer Marc.

[@geuros]

how do they compare to La Marzocco Linea Mini? :)

[@zdenkaskoric2052]

Hi, what espresso grinder would you recommend for the Wibiemme domobar manual Espresso machine, please? T h a n k you.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi ZS, Thanks for the question. At minimum I'd go with a Baratza Vario or Sette 270. The Vario has been considered the entry grinder into prosumer level grind quality for about a decade. Baratza considers their Sette 270 series grinders the best option for espresso based on usability. The Vario produces a slightly better grind in my opinion while the Sette 270s are easier to use. Another option is the Ceado E5P or E6P. They are commercial style grinders with larger 63mm burrs - bigger burrs generally produce better grind quality. Check out Barataza grinders here: www.wholelattelove.com/grinders?product_brand=121 And Ceado here: www.wholelattelove.com/grinders?product_brand=31

[@macopeland1]

Excellent information, as usual, thank you.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MAC, You are welcome and thanks for your comment!

[@jpnorstad]

Astra espresso

[@jorgefantoni3182]

Great video thank you so much .

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi jorge, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! Marc

[@kofiofosu9051]

Great video! Truly helpful

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi KO, Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@tremoo5987]

Great video!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Glad you enjoyed it! Marc

[@ThadySenior]

The ECM seems to be the best of those machines but is it worth seemingly double the cost of the Expobar Brewtus?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi TS, Thanks for the question. FYI the Brewtus is no longer sold in the US market. It is a wonderful machine and was one of the best values in dual boilers. The ECM is pricier but don't think it was ever 2x the price of a Brewtus. The Expobar was built like a tank. The ECM is much more refined in exterior details and under the hood had somehwat better components. Marc

[@ThadySenior]

Whole Latte Love I’m in the UK so perhaps very different pricing. It’s a shame as your service seems really great so would love to be able to source my coffee goodies from you!

[@gigi9467]

hey mark, so the only reason i went to the pto 500 over thr 700 was cuz i only make maybe 2 lattes a in thr morning at most. so i didnt think i needed to have two boilers heated for one a couple.double shots. so basically what am trying to say is are thr doublr boiler.machines desig for more latte production?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jesus, The 500 is a fine machine. Actually working on a video now comparing the 500 with an Expobar Office Lever and Rocket Giotto type v. The dual boilers can do more brewing and steaming with less fluctuation in brew temps. PID in the 700 helps stop temp overshoots during heavy use.

[@gigi9467]

Whole Latte Love so for two double i dont think there much fluctuation correct? now if i waa making 4 or 5 doubleshots back to back then i can see how a double boiler would be a better idea right? cuz i would.have to wait on the 500.till.it gets back to temperature by the 3 or so shot. is that a pretty good theory?

[@zb5797]

Mark, On the cusp of pulling the trigger on my first Espresso machine. I love the look of the Rocket espresso machines, particularly, the Mozzafiato, Giotto, and R58. The questions I have for you, though maybe ignorant and a little leading is: How does Rockets build quality compare to ECM and Profitec? Cost comparison wise, which would you choose personally? And lastly, is there a benefit of a vertical boiler vs horizontal boiler in these machines?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Zack Bowe Hi, All are fine machines. Personally I find ECM/Profitec has slight advantage in reliability. They’ve started rated using stainless mushroom valves which are less likely to scale. When plumbed, ECM and P machines can do line pressure pre-infusion. Rocket machines cannot. Most people important is feeding quality water to avoid scale in first place. Recommend an in-line filter system by BWT for all plumbed machines. No chance of scale yet maintains mineral level for flavor. www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package Marc

[@zb5797]

Whole Latte Love Thanks, Marc! Watching your video I can’t help but notice that y’all visited the Profitec factory outside of Milan and noticed ECM logos and hardware everywhere in the factory...? Are both companies machines made by same manufacturer/at same plant? Also, is there a benefit from horizontal boiler over vertical. Btw, love your videos and yalls website!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Zack Bowe You are welcome! Profitec/ECM are sister companies. Kinda like Toyota and Lexus or Infinity. Never keep that straight. Anyway, hard to say there’s any advantage to boiler orientation. The Pro 700 and ECM Synchronika are virtually identical internally. The ECM just kicks up exterior finish details. Marc

[@bsimret]

why didn't the Bezera make the cut?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SI, Thanks for the question. Well, this video is about 3-4 years old. In our best of 2020 The Bezzera BZ13 was a winner!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJiToZxrnJWAmLs Marc

[@KeiJikigorashipvblog]

Can I use these machines for commercial purposes? I want to open my coffee shop in NJ

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi KK, You could in a low volume situation. These machines are more intended for high-level home/office users and are not specifically rated for commercial use. The Gaggia TS is commercial rated and an excellent value: www.wholelattelove.com/gaggia-ts-espresso-machine If you'd like some advice on a machine to serve your needs give us a call at 888-411-5282 and speak with our commercial equipment specialist.

[@chrisp.916]

I would personally recommend the VESUVIUS V2 espresso machine , you carry by the way . Why isn't it compared ? Maybe because you won't be selling the other ones since it has more features?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Chris, Thanks for your recommendation. The Vesuvius is a fine machine! For this video we picked our favorite dual boiler machines for the year. We did not consider pressure profiling machines for inclusion in this video. Their capabilities and cost are beyond mainstream dual boiler machines. We do have these videos on the Vesuvius: Review: Vesuvius Dual Boiler Espresso Machine with Pressure Profiling kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWPEeJKdi9Gfa8k Compare: Vesuvius Pressure Profiling, Profitec Pro 700, and Expobar Brewtus kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKPGmqqZn9t4qa8 Marc

[@chrisp.916]

Whole Latte Love Good point, didn't check your latest videos ! Sorry

[@ondrejmacicek4886]

I've seen 4 bars from plumbing... According to manual the maximum is 2 bars, isn't it?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi OM, ECM manual specifies using a pressure regulator if service line pressure is above 2bar (about 30psi for those in US). In US, service pressure typically ranges from 40 - 80psi (that's appox. 2.6 - 5.3bar). ECM also recommends a shut off valve on plumbed connection as there is no solenoid valve within the machine to cut line pressure. The Pro 700 and Synchronika have a mechanical valve accessible at the bottom of the machine for switching from plumbed to reservoir water source. This valve can act as a shutoff to cut line pressure but I'd still reccommend a shutoff on the supply side prior to braided steel line connection to machine. All that said, I've lived a little dangerously with a Pro 700 in the studio. It's been connected direct to line pressure of 60psi/4bar for more than a year with no issue. I'm not recommending that as there is a risk involved. But I've had fun playing with pre-infusion at higher pressures.

[@jingsbrar341]

much better video then the other video of you i watched

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Thanks for the comment.

[@samialsaleh8604]

Im confused i bought r58 pro700 or ecm

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi sa, Thanks for the question. If you want the best of those choose the ECM Synchronika!: www.wholelattelove.com/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-espresso-machine

[@samialsaleh8604]

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[@samialsaleh8604]

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[@karltta]

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[@martinparent7564]

Ah! The wifi switch! Machine ready on time in the morning, and then more. Picture this: you’re away but about to drive back home. A 30 minutes ride and you know it’ll be espresso time. Turn the machine on and hop in the car...

[@Wholelattelovepage]

YES! And, program by day of the week, or tell your voice assistant to do it!

[@rick-xf4sl]

In regard to the Rocket, not having a visible shot timer on this expensive machine strikes me as a huge marketing fail. Just look at the competition....after all, it's not rocket science.

[@gigi9467]

rick9482 yea there also a lil overproced compared.to the pro and ecm. thats why i bought a profitec over the rocket

[@dogmaticpyrrhonist543]

Boom tish. I was looking at that shot timer and thinking that's an awesome feature, as a recent purchaser of an R58. Bugger. :(. Still, pretty easy to source a timer.

[@blairansellfraser]

My understanding is: it's not the time you pull the shot, but the color and consistency of the liquid. There are so many variables, that you probably are better to not rely on the time...but the quality. Having said all that, a timer would be nice (as on the R60V).

[@Suwr195]

Where is the lelit bianca v3? Would be better than all of these...

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Walter, Thanks for the comment. Heads up, this video is 5 years old. The Bianca is a good machine. I have evaluated it in the past. The DB machines from Profitec and especially ECM feature higher quality finishing and detail work than the Lelit. Marc

[@joecocktail]

Surprised you didn't push the gaggia... Like always.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Joe, Well, they do not make a dual boiler machine so...

[@gigi9467]

Ecm/profitec rule!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jesus, I agree - some of the best design and capabilities in the business. In case you missed it, we were at their manufacturing facility outside Milan, Italy a couple months ago and shot a couple videos there. Sneak peek at their new Profitec Pro 600 dual boiler machine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5PHq4ltmaqrl5o Also, some more background on Profitec/ECM and their philosophy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWG1emiomd9njdk Enjoy! Marc

[@ultrakwon]

NOBODY: Rocket: People don’t want a digital display on their machine.

[@kayalessio1105]

I know, right!?!?!

[@andreyv1]

lucca m58

[@CHARLIEBITESHARD]

Rocket=Sexy

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Charlie, That's funny! Here's a video I did a few years back with Andrew Meo of Rocket Espresso saying exactly that. Well actually, he pronounces sexy more like "Sixy": kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3WwqmODibiVraM

[@dylanhopcroft9393]

So.......... I'm from Melbourne australia coffee MIO is one of our worst coffees (period) it's cheap nasty and only used by small crappy cafes due to there get a certain amount of coffee rent the machine free thing that MIO does... DO NOT BUY

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Dylan, Thanks for sharing your opinion.

[@joshuamcdonald5850]

WLL does great videos, but the aesthetic of them keeps me feeling like they were filmed in the 80s

[@suezy1969]

lol what?

[@martinkulik9466]

i would never buy dual boiler. i would buy HX

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Martin, Thanks for the comment. Curious as to why you prefer HX. Marc

[@martinkulik9466]

@@Wholelattelovepage Marc because HX takes water directly from the tank through the pipes instead of sitting and mixing up with old water in the boiler as it happens with single or double boilers... I am sure they are more temperature stable but I think I wouldn't guess the difference...

[@Wholelattelovepage]

@@martinkulik9466 Okay. Brew boilers tend to be larger in dual boiler machines. But they also take in new water from reservoir and/or plumbed connection each time you brew. It's no different other than volume of turnover. Marc