COMPARING 2 UNIMAT micro LATHES

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[@bheckel1]

quite a few unimats available by me right now for 5-750. Thinking of getting one so I can smuggle it into the old folks home when they lock me up.

[@mrpete222]

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[@yomama5785]

This is just about the reason I have one. I haven't used it once yet, but when I'm older I'm going to be lathing watching tv in my lazyboy.

[@tom87pate]

These are neat little son-of-guns and an elderly gentleman sold me his DB-200 (with power feed) for $300 bucks about three years ago. It came with the threading attachment, complete set of threading masters, grinding attachment, an indexing table, two chucks, milling table, and pretty much everything else. However, it was missing the steady rest, but I found one on ebay and now it's complete.

[@mrpete222]

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[@russelldold4827]

I'm busy cleaning one up for a friend. He rescued his from someone who had it on an open shelf where the bed rails and ferrous parts were rusting! The workmanship on the original parts was very good. Looking forward to the rest of this series, Mr Pete. Thanks for sharing.

[@justhavingfun675]

Excellent video I enjoy mine a lot. It would be neat to see you make a project on the Unimat.

[@juanzuluaga3388]

Since I don't have much money or space, I bought a Unimat for about $375. It came in very rough shape, with bent rods, and with very few attachments. Some people are willing to spend a lot of money buying parts for it. Instead, I try to make parts using the lathe itself, bootstrapping. It has been hard.

[@mrpete222]

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[@georgedennison3338]

What are you needing for your UniMat? I have an assortment of Sherline parts my lathe has outgrown since I made some modifications to it, they might help you. Plus, I've made a LOT of tools & accessories for my beefed up Sherline, re-purposing other stuff & doing it all on a shoe string budget. I might be able to help you w/ some plans for tools, etc. I figured out a wsy to use old, worn out carbide tipped Skil saw blades as parting & grooving tools. Less than $10.00 worth of scrap steel & fasteners & a bit of basic metal work & you'll a robust parting tool. I've got piles of old saw blades, (I was a carpentry/contractor for decades), be happy to cut one up for some blades for you. Can get 6-10 blades from a 7¼" Skil saw blade; 10, if I make no mistakes, 6 if I screw up a bunch! Let me know what you need & where you're trying to go w/ the UniMat. I love making good tools out of marginal ones, for cheap! GeoD

[@FJERNSYN49]

Both the Unimat 3 and the Emco V10-p are very familiar. My Unimat 3 is gone years ago, but the V10-p is still in my workshop. Between those I also had an Emcomat 7L., and even a Toyo ML-360 a copy of Emcomat 5 I think, is sitting in my workshop, but need some love to be working again. All are great machines and will earn you good services for years.

[@edl5074]

Its nice you have a a supplier like that neer you. thanks for sharing love learning about the obscure .

[@rogertaylor1589]

In the late 80's I bought a Emco CNC-1 turret lathe and Emco F-1 CNC mill. Excellent machines that survived many student errors. The Emco CNC machines were tagged Emco Maier. A Man named Ernie Maier imported the CNC machines and added his name to the tag similar to the Edestall moniker. I attended a one week training session at the company headquarters in Cincinnati. The machines were limited to short duration programs because the controller would only hold 100 lines of code. later versions of those machine were upgraded to a Fanuc controller so CAM software could be installed.

[@user-ll9zd2dh6h]

HA! HA! They remind me of those Imp lathes from England in the '60s.The headstock was a Sturmey Archer 3 speed bicycle hub,just like you see on British bicycles.You changed speeds just like you would on a bicycle.Crazy Daddy O,like Hipsville

[@brianbutler3954]

Back in 1980 I bought a new EMCO V10P ,like you shower at Lost Creak. I bought it over a new South Bend because it had taper roller bearings for the spindle , a geared head, and a quick change gear box, I still use it almost every day.

[@mrpete222]

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[@DonDegidio]

Hi Lyle, I had the DB 200 with the power feed for the carriage. It was a quite capable little lathe. Was my first foray into metal machining. I now have a 20 year old Micro-Mark 7X12 Mini-lathe that I have made several modifications to it over the years. Wish I had the room to move up to a larger lathe.

[@mrpete222]

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[@mikelamonica3681]

I have been wanting to make a milling table for my Unimat, Used ones are expensive on Ebay, and I have a block of Aluminum ready to go. Looking forward to watching you make it.

[@daveharriman2756]

Some nice quality machines there on both ends of the scale, nice.

[@HappyHands.]

old Unimats always intrigue me.

[@yomama5785]

Thats a great price even without the accessories like the mill bed or custom height adjustment.

[@kevinkoepke8311]

I still remember taking in the pages of the EMCO catalog as a young man. I'm thoroughly an Atlas man, having bought four in miserable condition and rebuilding them to pristine condition. Oh, OK, I'm cheap:) Thanks, Mr Pete!

[@mrpete222]

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[@warrenlee3113]

Good video Mr Pete.

[@michaelchristian8220]

I don't think when this was being made and bought they really had to worry about getting caught up in the pullys much. I'm only 35, and even in high-school shop we were taught not to wear sleeves or gloves or jewelry in the shop. Especially not with anything spinning at hi rpm. Thanks for the videos, Pete. Teachers like you are why I picked up hobby machining/fabrication.

[@mrpete222]

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[@johncloar1692]

Thanks Mr. Pete for the video all ways a pleasurer to watch them.

[@leeroyholloway4277]

I like the travel dial the on big machine.

[@robertwalker7457]

Very interesting, I have the River Queen Open Column Launch Engine Kit Plans which I am currently building. It was a kit sold by American Edelstaal Inc and the plans published by the Edelstaal Technical Institute. I think they had plans and a kit of an O guage steam locomotive too. The kits were fir use with the Unimat.

[@paulsouth3926]

Here in the UK they were sold as Elliott Machine Tool Company Unimat SL and were subsequently superceded by the Emco Unimat 3. I have both and think the SL is the superior. The modified drive train on the for sale machine maybe to allow the use of freely available drive belts as here in the UK the correct belts became unavailable years ago. Emco machines in general are superb both Lathes and Mills. Their bench mounted Maximat Mill is a really useful machine and the second generation belt driven variant with speed control is supper quite.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you for that information

[@trekietechie1119]

GREAT STUFF, Hopefully teacher might do a project using one so I can learn how to use one my dad left / gave me with a bit of luck.

[@thomasbrown9402]

Step 2 of the Unimat Challenge! I really love that color on old machinery. Is there a name for that type of finish? I have an old Lurem combination woodworking machine (made in France) and an old Hitachi (MiJ, of course) jointer/planer that both use that color; sadly most of it has flaked or rusted off over the years..

[@johnr1878]

Every time I see that little Bridgeport mill, I become amazed. I see you snuck it into the stills.

[@mrpete222]

Yes, I did

[@adamchandler3162]

Look at the website at least a couple times a week what a place and yesterday the little lathe was sold. Thank you Mr Pete for all you do

[@mrpete222]

Really ? They sold it

[@cyclebuster]

i bet you sold it!!@@mrpete222

[@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578]

Thanks for sharing Mr Pete

[@gkeyman565]

nice machines, big and small have a great day

[@hirsutusi5536]

I have a big Emco (maximat super 11) and a little bench mounted Derbyshire. I have fun with both of them.

[@pakrattuk1562]

Nice video, Cliff of Cliffs shed (a fellow KZbin creator/channel) has the Emco V10-P, however its in need of a bit of TLC after a fire caused extensive damage to his workshop

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

Lost creek seriously wants a premium for their machines 😬

[@waynespyker5731]

The belt/pulley modification was for slower speeds. For milling? If he had replaced the single groove pulleys with a 2 groove cone set, more speed choices. The '50s Allas Clausing milling machine had a center or third pulley. I added a 3rd pulley to my Walker Turner drill press.

[@Radiotexas]

I really like the "headstock" raising attachment Mr.Pete. Would make a nice project. I have almost a complete Unimat SL set up-- I sent Mr. Pete a set of pictures. Haven't used it in years though. Also-- really enjoyed seeing Ray Neely's beautiful painting of the tools with Lost Creek Machinery on the Starrett box! Nice!

[@mrpete222]

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[@wampage]

I have a fairly complete SL-1000 but I struggle with being able to accurately adjust the height of the mill head on the vertical post. I see what looks like a custom adaptation. It looks a lot like what I need. Anything you can offer would help.

[@angelramos-2005]

Really nice lathes,mr pete.Let me say that jewelers were also engravers and they need to sharpen de gravers at precise angles to cut the metal.Plenty of videos in YT about sharpening gravers and anybody interested can check my videos .Thank you.

[@mrpete222]

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[@waynespyker5731]

Radiotexas-Headstock rasing device: Neat project but round the end around the bearings. Add a 1/16 radius to each opposite end sharp corner. Smuggling assistant living resident on blood thinners.

[@christurley391]

Thanks for the video

[@sharg0]

I got one like yours but branded Emco (sold in Sweden)! That machining table is a good idea, I need to make something similar. I'm also planning to replace the drive motor, I find it lacking a bit of torque and I want rpm control - will likely use a 3-phase model engine! As for motor control I want something like the foot pedal for sewing machines - I use it sitting at a table. But if one ponders a bit it is surprising what can be done in these little machines. Another common place to find Emco's are in schools, they often use their CNC-machines - some are even made with user replaceable control-panels to switch control system!

[@mrpete222]

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[@Dwarfracer88]

Mr. Peterson, I saw a Logan 2557 12" lathe on Lost Creeks web site. Are you familiar with this unit? I am unsure of how large the lathe is, and was wondering if you had looked at it and knew anything about it? Thank you in advance for your time.

[@mrpete222]

I was standing right next to it, and paid no attention to it

[@leonardedgarsr2014]

Lyle, my Unimat has knurled STEEL adjusting knobs...original to the machine..... the medallion label is red and just says Mod DB200 UNIMAT Made in Austria..nothing else...I have had it for 51years..I traded a Chelsea Ship's clock for it..I also have the Unimat 3 for four years now. I think all the unimat 3's have longitudinal power feed...at least all the ones I have seen have it. Together I have four suitcase lathes now. I still prefer the old DB200...

[@mrpete222]

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[@robert574]

Instead of the steel base, can a recommend that you find a nice wood butcher block cutting board for the base. I saw one mounted like that and it really looked nice and not too heavy.

[@mrpete222]

Too late, I already made a steel base

[@robert574]

I put some rubber feet under mine, but it needs something wider. I try to keep it as small and light as possible to store. Got my eye out for a nice one of those cutting boards. So far it's been hard to find anything really nice in the $5-$7 range.

[@chiverslandsurveyor]

Enjoying this series. I have one set up as a lathe the other as a mill. On the one set up as milling...how did he fix the head to the modified part? Does it still swing around the column...or is that a trade-off?

[@willf5768]

Very interesting Pete I use lathes smaller than those some of my watch and clock/ jeweler's lathes I use for my restorations most made in Germany one I have was made in the United States back in the 20s I believe. Mosley &co, American watch and tool, Boley, Walthem, Derbyshire and theres few more out there. They are cool little lathes.

[@mrpete222]

Very cool!

[@frankerceg4349]

Thank you Mr. Pete!

[@componenx]

The SL-1000 was made after the DB-200, unless it varied by country. (I have the last version of the SL-1000, with the constant duty motor). I always thought the black knobs were aluminum too- I'm actually surprised they are plastic.

[@bugkiller5293]

never seen a travel dial. I like it. A much simpler and easyer to read. are these made for other machines. Like a 12 Craftsman lathe!

[@EVILDR235]

I have come across a few small lathes in my time. I always come across them when somebody beat me to them and has their wallet out.

[@vancester1st]

Would you consider the Atlas 618 to be a mini lathe too? I’ve never seen you talk about them.

[@christianpatton142]

Would the three pulley version have more speed options?

[@grntitan1]

Sure

[@kitmaira]

You can easily go broke buying attachments for these. There is a threading attachment, a carriage feed and the watchmaker’s collet spindle that make it more useful. I bought my Unimat for $300, I easily have double that into it.

[@mrpete222]

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[@garychaiken808]

Good job. Thank you 😊

[@nomercadies]

Morning Lyle

[@mrchew1982]

Couldnt you use a casting from "Metal Lathe Accessories" and adapt it?

[@sansantana4215]

i have an emco maximat v10 and an compact 5

[@cyclebuster]

I would bet. That if you could manufacture accurate vernier scale knobs for a unimat that didnt make you laugh or yell, you could sell them nonstop. You need knobs. Make real ones for everyone. Or a video/ plans package. The design does not lend itself to scales or dial indicator installations. There is only trial and error as the graduations are tiny and poor. Also i am sure these could use twice the motor.

[@douglasbollinger8678]

UNIMAT: The ShopSmith of micro machining.

[@mrpete222]

True

[@RonHelton]

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[@normtheteacher5485]

I'd like to travel to Illinois to visit them but won't because I won't go Anywhere I can't be armed to protect my life. Illinois is a very anti-gun, anti-constitution state.

[@mrpete222]

We have a terrible governor

[@componenx]

Oh, come on- like your life is REALLY in danger? That's just an excuse.

[@normtheteacher5485]

@@componenx The Three A's...Crime can happen to Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime. Just ask the crime victims laying in graves.

[@normtheteacher5485]

@@mrpete222Hopefully, Illinois citizens will eventually vote in a more reasonable person and get rid of these Gestapo types that are infiltrating our government. EDIT: These are the type of people that will outlaw anything that could be used to make a gun like lathes and milling machines.

[@componenx]

@@normtheteacher5485 Yes, it can, but the odds of you getting shot with your own gun are quite high- you aren't Rambo, regardless of what you believe! Back when East Palo Alto was the murder capital of the US, I went to the wrecking yards all the time, and never felt unsafe. If I was packing and had an attitude, I'm sure things would have been different. Basically, the NRA and the pro-gun lobby are lying to you. I'm not anti-gun at all, I just have common sense.

[@727jetjumper]

yo dawg, I heard you like lathes, so I put a lathe on your lathe

[@XPFTP]

anyone know mr petes email ? or if mr pete sees this.. iam looking for the a b c d e left side gears for a atlas 12 inch gearbox. also the left handle gear and handle pin .. please if ou read this .. i hope u can help or someone..