Comparing CCI's New Subsonic 45 Grain .22 LR

[@danno938]

The big players in this genre have their merits, but I really appreciate the videos that aren't pushing bullets, guns, or silver (for some reason). This takes me back to when KZbin was great, a guy showing us a good video without all the nonsense. Thanks for your content, subscribed for sure.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thanks my friend.

[@jeffdanner653]

Quality ammo , quality rifle , marksman behind the trigger ; produces good groups and GR8 videos ! You compared 5 of the best "non match" ammo available , and showed group size and projectile performance admirably . I recently tried the CCI 45g HP and was pleasantly surprised . Had been shooting the 40g CCI subsonic , but have switched . The Eley flat point HP is superb in 2 rifles . This shows the importance of keeping a record of what rifle/ammo combination can make on paper and in the woods . Combined with a suppressor , the subsonic rounds are extremely quiet . Last winter I took 2 grey squiirel out of the same tree within 30 seconds . Don't think they even knew I was there . Hats off to CCI , and you 🍀

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thanks Jeff, You make a good point in your comments. I have been meaning to keep a written record of each rifles preferred loading (just like I do with my centerfire guns). I think I'll make a video covering that very subject. It should prove helpful not only for me but my viewers as well.

[@garywhelansr5602]

Nice shooting sir.. Ive been using CCI s for over 50yrs. in both 22s 22mag.. Fine Ammo. Gonna try some of that new 45 gr. Keep your powder dry sir.👍🏻🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@waynejenkins6259]

Wow!! That second group you shot with the subsonic HP 45 grain was lights out. It doesn’t get any better than that. I’d call that minute of squirrel eye. lol I picked up another 581 last week that’s ready to go to the range either today or tomorrow. This one was made in the early ‘70’s and has the mahogany stock. The trigger seems a little heavy, so your trigger service technique may be in order. Great video and great shooting, as usual.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I really like the mahogany stocked Remingtons from the early 70's. I hope that little 581 will shoot well for you.😊

[@AJ-cn1xy]

Can't wait to try the CCI Subsonic small game this squirrel season. Thank you for testing them. Can always check out Cumberland Outdoors to see what works.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Thanks. Glad you liked it.

[@mistermac4118]

Excellent group out of the CCI 45gr. , I’ll try some for sure, thanks.

[@joerico9461]

To be fair on the test don't change your point of aim hold on the bullseye an where they land so be it ✌

[@aussieshootandhuntadventur4973]

Awsum vid ! Hello from 🇦🇺Australia 🇺🇸 love your work

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍

[@jccullum8117]

Fantastic video, brother. Great job. I’ll be on the lookout for this ammo. Texas hunter. I subscribed.

[@AppalachianNick]

I am new to hunting and really enjoy and learn a lot on your videos. Did you notice the squirrel running across your targets at around 11:08-11:12 in this video? Funny how in the woods they can be hard to find but you're out shooting and it runs right in front of your targets😂

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I have lots of wild critters in my back yard.

[@fredford7642]

Thank you for a good and educational review on these subsonic bullets.

[@a.joegevara3519]

I have so much Aguila 60g subsonic, but I think I'm going to buy some CCI clean 45g! Appreciate your content!

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I hope it works well for you.

[@aantosca]

Thanks for a great rundown on some great ammo.

[@benjamincrooker2533]

Did anybody else see the 🐿️ that went by in front of the lumber pile? 🤭

[@watchmanonthewall3852]

Just bought a Marlin 99 m1...nice looking hope it's nice shooting. Bought it after watching your videos. Guess I'll be looking to buy some of this CCI ammo....gotta stop watching videos. Seems to cost me $$ when I do. I get that "itch" to buy things after watching you sir. Thank you. I truly value your opinion and expertise.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Ah yes the Marlin 99 M1. Great little shooters.

[@peteoburrito920]

Very informative review and it’s good too see it compared to other options

[@wwisaacson4807]

Like you, I have found that when I am testing 22LR I need to shoot 5 rounds of a given ammunition before I start shooting for groups. I have also found CCI subsonic to work well in my CZ 452. I'll have to look for the 45 grain load.

[@richardfrost7575]

I found especially with the aguila that it doesn't fallow other brands very well. In my mossberg's 46B(b) 26inch bbl the aguila ammunition gives me similarly poor accuracy after other brands, but from a clean bore and 10 fouling shots it tightens up to a pinpoint group and stays there, until I introduce another brand ammunition. I almost discounted the ammunition because of that, my use was strictly for target use and at 100yds. Not quite the same groups as your 40yd groups 😮 but on a good day, for me and wind it was suprisingly close with the version of Aguila I was using. I actually got a couple of 10 round groups at 100yds you could cover with a dime and only have a very small amount of fuzzy holes showing ( one of their target versions, can't find the boxes right now) and it was an exceptional day for me 😊.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

The lubricant differences must have an affect on their performance.

[@richardfrost7575]

Yep use Aguila and only Aguila unless you want to clean bbl between ammunition brands. Was really surprised just how bad it was following Winchester I mean pencil eraser sized group at 25yds to 1.5 inch group following Winchester. All this being subject to my rifles.

[@richardfrost7575]

Note I found that the Aguila tolerates following the eley ammunition quite well.

[@cute_animalsanddrawingvideos]

Bret and Linda Olin would be proud of this anmo

[@firearmsolutions46]

Great video as always I had just purchased a box of the CCI 45gr Subsonic & the Remington Subsonic 40gr 1,050 fps haven't had a chance to test them in my Mossberg 342KC,was a little disappointed that you didn't test the Remington offering.

[@juliosdiy3206]

This is by far the best video on 22lr subsonics i really appreciate it man. I will be looking at the Elly and Aquila otherwise i guess any of them will work for small game.

[@edwardkawecki8101]

Just curious. At 3:50 while showing the Eley round, why does the case have a dent in it? Thanks, always informative videos.

[@whereswaldo5740]

These are great rounds. I tested 8 22 rounds mostly subsonic. And these grouped the best out of the Silencer Shop Ruger MK IV with a Silencerco Sparrow. The velocity definitely made subsonic but not the quietest. But functioned with out any problems. Not only in that pistol but other semiauto arms as well. A Charger a 10/22 and a 10/22 with a MIST barrel. Very good round. Fairly clean too.

[@motorosso3349]

It is always fun to watch you shoot the 581, I love mine. I think heavier bullets can be very accurate. Let us know if you hunt with the that CCI 45 grain ammo.

[@johnnydavidson1611]

Great info.! I want to try some subsonic. very informative...Thanks!

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I hope it does well for you.

[@BobbyOfEarth]

That 45 gr. ammo did great. CCI must have really good process control because it always shoots fairly consistent. I shot .490" groups with their 40gr. Mini Mag ammo (1235 fps) at 50 yds. with my scoped Kmart Ruger 10/22 carbine with a scope. It's a new rifle and I was surprised how well it shot.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Nice video Tom, thanks for sharing it with us. I may try some of that ammo on squirrels. JT

[@hoffpbass]

Wow. I can't believe bow those mushroomed and got so much penetration in wet newspaper. They seem to mushroom lime the Winchester Dynapoints in 22wmr. I'm going to be trying these out for certain.

[@markworden9169]

In my experience too really wring out accuracy differences or group shooting a benchrest type rock solid rest and an adjustable objective is a must also try free recoil trigger control.

[@dratsab1980able]

I couldn't agree more about the ELEY rounds, the ELEY Sports performed like a competition round, very well made and consistent at a regular price, easily getting 0.5" groups at 50m.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Good ammo for the hunter for sure.

[@jimv.661]

I sorted 12 or so different types of ammo into groups by weight. When I got through, the sorted groups for each type mirrored what the targets looked like. In other words, for any particular cartridge weighed, the smaller the difference in weight for that type, the smaller the group on the target.

[@darrylryder8114]

I have an old targetmaster single shot that if I can figure out a way to mount a scope to it that wouldn't get in my way of loading it I would definitely squirrel hunt with it. That is a beautiful stock you have on that rifle

[@stevecochran9078]

When switching brands, or loads, I pull a boresnake through. It seems to settle in better in the first rounds.

[@TexasTrained]

Thanks for the video. There are a Lot of bullets that shoot 40 to 50 yards excellent but fall apart at 100 yds or 100. .meters. I shoot in competition from 67 meters to 548 meters. .mostly we shoot from 67 to 306 meters.Im looking fir cheaper ammo that can do that well.Currently shoiring Lapua Super Long Range , CenterX and SK Long Range Match

[@17chucksters]

Thanks for the informative video. Is your rifle a Remington 581? It looked and sounded (magazine insertion) like one I used to own.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I use the Remington 581 for many of my ammo reviews because of it's solid platform.

[@roln2535]

That CCI very uniform expansion. . Should be good ammo. Thanks

[@edgarjaviermaderalaporta9063]

I think the 45 grains CCI will no expand in soft animals like rabbits or hares, but exelent in small predators like foxes or our nuutria rats

[@lorbachehgiah8369]

سلام دوست عزیز،،،من کانال شما را دنبال میکنم و بسیار لذت میبرم از ویدئوهای شما ،امیدوارم همیشه سالم و سلامت باشید.(من از ایران هستم)

[@darrylryder8114]

The nice thing about Eley is it's a cleaner ammo and I should suppressed and I don't have to clean my suppressor too terribly often. My brother was 75 yards through the woods and he never heard me shoot but I got five squirrels

[@markhenderson2896]

Enjoy your videos, keep up the good work

[@markalford5406]

Just had a coyote in my sites yesterday using Winchester 42 grn subsonic and it was a dud. I wish it was the CCW ammo!

[@Marvinwalker-ud3yo]

I have found that different ammo has different effects in the same rifle and also the skill of the shooters.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

CCI has almost always confused me by the vast array of .22LR. Does each option do drastically different things than the other? I can see about 4 options that make a meaningful difference, but the rest seems pedantic.

[@janboyd]

Suggestions, Duke nailed the lube differences or I would have. 581 a mag feed, may have bbl issue like my 580 did, slip fit into rec'vr, new grn mtn bbl w/.003" press fit, way better! A 581 come to me, parts msg, so had to scrounge, again a greenie bbl, same fit up, wowzee!!! You have the chance, try the 541 m or s model next to your 581 and you'll see why they cost 2x-3x over the 80 81 82 series.

[@alexugorcak9614]

What about the Rem cyclone 22 lr ?

[@bazzinator7477]

That was a really good video, thanks.

[@devlinoshay9520]

CCI ammo never impressed me but when I got my suppressor, during the ammo crisis, CCI "Suppressor" were the only subsonics I could find. I've won 2 shooting contests with those. My gun likes them so I'm not messing with anything on that gun.

[@allenmichael4234]

Winchester made a fantastic 45 grain subsonic..black box did not disappoint.

[@johnwillenburg1586]

Tom how are you, and have you tried the Norman 24 yes 24 gr. Flat nose hyper velocity, call it eco speed,lead free,1706 fps zinc copper alloy.love watching you, and thanks for showing me how to fix my marlin 60 c.thanks again Tom.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I have not tried those yet, but maybe if I run across them I'll review it. I'm glad you found the Marlin 60 repair video useful. Thanks, and take care.

[@rik4369]

With the right barrel twist or close in the Agulia SSS 22 LR is one of the best defensive 22 LR. It is a 60 grains bullet in a 22 short case. In a 1-7 or 1-9 twist barrel it will group decent enough for close in work. In other more slower twist barrels and pistol it tends to " key hole" or wobble. I have taken squirrels with it out of my Mossberg Plinkster. No more than 30 yards. It is hard to fine and expensive. I was lucky an got 10 boxes of it years ago. The thought of an 22 LR with a heavier bullet than an 5.56 made me curious. I have shot it from a friends revolver an it did nice within 3-7 yards.

[@terrancewilson5035]

Did your gun warm up ? Nice 2 nd. Group.

[@rerun4144]

Federal American eagle 45 grain suppressor ammo is also plated..

[@BackCountryOutdoors1963]

Great video and cci is great ammo and also do you do 22 work videos

[@markthilenius5533]

I think you would be really impressed with SK standard plus 50 yd groups through my cz 457’s which I have two of one with standard barrel and one target barrel one hole groups if you do you’re part thanks for another great video

[@edjett2631]

Tell me something about the magazine you have in that 581.

[@ronkay1573]

Thanks for the review but “Every” rimfire rifle I own has a preference for certain hunting ammo. Most prefer Eley subsonic HP’s or RWS HP’s. They’re expensive but I don’t mind paying for quality. Those European brands shoot 50% or better in accuracy than CCI.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

I agree fully. Eley, RWS, SK, and even Sellier & Bellot are pretty tough contenders in the accuracy department. I do however have a few rifles that shoot CCI stuff very well.

[@mikeburchard4612]

Have you tried any sk ammo

[@darrylryder8114]

I was fixing to tell you that you might want to shoot 10 of each ammo to acclimate the barrel to that load and then do your five shot group. But you just said it. I don't particular like shooting the below 1,000 ft per second I stay around 1057 to 1071 ft per second. And typically only shoot Eley whether it's team, match, or tenex out of my CZ 457 LRP.

[@davidinsvaz7883]

I have had very good luck with the Aguila 60 grain ammo. Some of my rifles love it, while some are just average.

[@markworden9169]

Can't remember if it was the 10/22 stock barrel or the green mountain but the 60 grain would not stabilize.

[@hankhardisty9433]

How do the new 45 grain CCIs perform in your 39a?

[@alexmorris3106]

Just a suggestion, when you are trying different ammo don't change your aiming point. Adjust the group to it after the group.ECK USMC.

[@chrismcrae4652]

My concern is will they cycle thru a semi ruger rifle and pistol. Please test that

[@GrEmLiN76X]

Ha, just the video I was looking for.

[@jagrench62]

I bought this song box in the store picked them up. Play shoot like the Dickens out of a 10/22.

[@duke8152]

Remember each manufacturer uses a different lubricant. Thus, each of them need a barrel seasoning.

[@williamgaines9784]

Your assumption is the lubricants are "conflicting" somehow? I would imagine only needing to "reseason" a barrel that has been scrubbed clean.

[@charleywalker2982]

@@williamgaines9784sometimes when changing ammo you need to shoot a few to get the barrel seasoned to the lubricant. I knew a well known rimfire match shooter that swore by dipping his shells in hoppes gun solvent !! He would out shoot most people so I wasn’t going to argue!!!

[@yourmomma2995]

that little chipmunk at 11:09 had a lot of nerve!

[@lorbachehgiah8369]

سلام دوست عزیز ،،،بسیار عالی بود و تشکر از شما برای ویدئوهای زیبا،،،یه سوال دارم، بیشترین فاصله ای که با کالیبر ۲۲ میتوان خرگوش را شکار کرد ،چقدر است ؟آیا در ۱۵۰ یارد، یا ۲۰۰ یارد هم میتوان هدف را زد؟🙌

[@aah5584]

It depends on your equipment, your skills and the weather. I can shoot 1.5 inches groups at 100 meters in a calm day with cci standard velocity and my cheap old norinco jw 14 with a 16 power scope

[@lorbachehgiah8369]

@@aah5584 سلام ،با استفاده از یک مهمات با سرعت استاندارد،یک خرگوش یا سنجاب ،در فاصله ۱۵۰یارد کشنده است؟

[@aah5584]

@@lorbachehgiah8369 you should try to hit constantly at a target like cans or stones at the distance you are planning to hunt.

[@lorbachehgiah8369]

​@@aah5584سلام از راهنمایی شما بسیار ممنون هستم و منتظر ویدئوهای جدید شما هستم

[@independentthinker8930]

Good shootin!

[@setapart1forever]

God bless bro

[@cute_animalsanddrawingvideos]

Just ordered 500 rounds of this anmo

[@rogerdavis2056]

How does it compare to the cci stingers?

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

The Stinger is a completely different .22 loading. Stingers usually have an escape velocity of around 1600 fps, and these subsonic loads are around the 900-1000 fps range.

[@jonathanmcgowan7746]

Did anyone see the rat (or squirrel) in the background at 11:11?

[@marknelson8574]

Try Wolf Target Match Extra I have done this test and Wof surpasses them all The Key is consistant Muzzle velocity

[@jeffreypelletier7247]

Why 40 yards?

[@TheJHMAN1]

Years ago I bought some 60gr subsonic. They were not very accurate and keyholed a lot.

[@adamadams6740]

I really like the Aquila 60 grain sniper subs.they are a bitch to find lately.but good when you can find.the cycle in my TX22 also

[@pnotuner1]

I tried the Winchester M-22 subsonic and it was awful. Utter garbage. It is also 45 grains, but coated with black copper, whatever that is. It was a box full of misfires and FTFs and FTEs. I gave away about 250 rounds to someone at the range. Maybe it worked better for them.

[@bobg3633]

Winchester ammo has gotten pretty bad. It doesnt matter what caliber either, I picked up 12 guage and 30 06 and very unhappy with quality

[@17chucksters]

I had the same experience with that ammo. Truly horrible.

[@cw2a]

These didnt shoot for me. BUT, the "SUPPRESSOR" ammo was GREAT!!! ❤❤

[@BigRooster616]

You should have always kept the same Focus point on the center dot of the bullseye you were shooting for a group shooting for a group not trying to hit the bullseye

[@Rifleman1964]

A squirrel ran through at 11:10 😂

[@jameslower1866]

lucky chipmunk 11;09 lol

[@charleywalker2982]

❤ 👍

[@jstephen45]

I saw a moving target!!!

[@tedberwick3186]

Turned my late uncle on to Rem. subsonic.

[@christophercolt1361]

priced like 22mag

[@billbertagnoli4226]

CCI also makes the, " Quiet" Round. Rated at 770 fps. They Are solid point but easily do The job on varmints in your Barn or chicken coop.

[@craigtayntor489]

Suppressed 22 quite clean 45grain 720fps. At 20 yds accurate and don't need a muffler. Db. 105. My ghost 22 cal brocock 126. Pellet gun. Nuff said

[@billbertagnoli4226]

@@craigtayntor489 Is that a CCI Round also. If so I'd like to check Them out. Thanks.

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍

[@mikemahoney594]

squirrell!

[@corbinhotsauce7724]

That stuffs not new I’ve been using it for years

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Right. I think it was introduced in 2019. I should have clarified that it was newer than the 40 grain CCI subsonic stuff.

[@chrismcrae4652]

Waxed lead is never good thru a suppressor, copper coated won't lead and wax up your can

[@nickolasthefrog]

The remington subs have been absolutely horrible for me. They feed poorly in autos. Even in my revolver their precision is so bad they may actually hamper the development of new shooters who come to the range with me. Their failure to fire is worse than bulk aguila and federal. The CCI 45gr are fine.

[@charleswade2716]

I give up. Watch Paul H.

[@CumberlandOutdoorsman]

Why did you "give up"?

[@professorXPM]

Remington Accuracy is not worth a dogs fart BTW.