Comparing Indian Challenger and Indian Chieftain

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[@Singinfeller]

I would have taken the Challenger hands down. That was the only water cooled v twin you had man...

[@tmcallister1740]

Challenger! Way ahead of the old Indians...water cooled = horsepower

[@lavishlex]

I’m 5”1 no experience is the chieftain a good first bike?

[@TheRealStacker]

Challenger. I need performance over some looks.

[@TheSlinkster]

I fell in love with The Challenger right away. Took it for a test ride. Purchased the bike, brought it home almost 100 miles away from the dealership. After riding it that distance, figured out that bike wasn't for me. Just the ride, and everything wasn't gonna make me happy overtime. Knew I would regret it, so the next day I took it back. I purchased the 2019 Chieftain Limited instead, and so far I'm a happy man. The Challenger is a damn beauty, I love the way it looks. Handling wasn't bad, ride wasn't bad, but there was just something that wasn't sitting right with me. Today I brought home the Chieftain. For anyone that does purchases the Challenger, don't be discouraged and ride the hell out of that thing. Would love to see lots of them on the road.

[@henrycagle7827]

Maybe you were sitting on your numb balls that day. Don’t feel bad happens to the best of us.😂

[@PHEnterprises]

I'll keep my Chieftain for now as well. It will be interesting to see where the Challenger line goes a few years down the road. Aesthetically I just love my Chieftain, and love that low end rumble!

[@adamsandoval]

Paul Horn yea for sure. It will def be interesting

[@scottphillips5388]

Paul Horn another reason I kept my tricked out chieftain, but the challenger is the other side of the coin, power, handling, smoother ride, keep your chief , and add a challenger later on.

[@liamstandish878]

Seen my first Challenger the other day and it rocked🤘 pics and videos dont do it justice

[@robertrohrs9195]

I've ridden both, I would have made the opposite decision. To each his own.

[@adamsandoval]

Robert Rohrs yup, if it was my only bike I’d proagree

[@Burden82]

also need to think how much more that challenger would sell so he could buy a new bike.

[@nicholasjheinz7461]

Personally I would have got rid of the Harley...lol

[@edgargonzalez4059]

Amen😂

[@Kris_P._Bey_Ken]

Harley shmarley, indian is where it's at😎

[@PETERZAWADA]

because you not try Indian

[@JoseReyes-dv4hg]

Thank you for your excellent advice, bought a new 2020 chieftain and I love it thanks again!!!

[@adamsandoval]

thanks awesome! congrats brother! 👊

[@jayleav]

Both bikes are awesome as you made clear and for the channel you obviously made the right choice. I’m anxious to see them build a chieftain with the new PP108, and the inverted front end. That would make an exciting choice for buyers.

[@RandysRides]

Love the shirts. :) I'm diggin' the pop ups and light humor. I'm guessing that dual sport is coming quicker than we thought ?? :) :)

[@adamsandoval]

Thanks for being part of this channel

[@adamsandoval]

You will have to wait and see. But your probably right

[@RandysRides]

@@adamsandoval That'll be loads of fun. For you, AND for us...lol You sure are in a great area for it. Cheers. :)

[@biofractal78]

The ONLY thing in which the 111/116 engine is superior is the sound depart. I'm not an mechanical engineer and I don't understand why push rod engines sound soooooo good. The Challenger sounds great... But the 111 sounds Sick!!!!! Specially with cams.... OMG

[@davidknows3320]

Roadmasters have sweet storage compartments in the lowers. Had them in the Harley until they went twin cooled. Love my Roadmaster.

[@darkhorse0079]

I am Blessed enough to have an 18 Chieftain Limited. I Love it. Haven't had the pleasure to ride a Challenger. I Love Indian & what they are doing. Will continue to support the brand. Love the video and everything you do Adam! Awsome as always! Stay Stubborn 😎🤘

[@KiwiBizDude]

Greetings from New Zealand. I like the video. Thanks. I am currently in the market for one of these bikes. Your video has steered me to go with the Chieftain as more suitable concerning my riding expectations.

[@dtharleyman4325]

Great video! Don’t forget about the old War Horse! She still has plenty of miles left in her!👍

[@wolflegion]

Looks like a street glide and road glide. I am so glad I got my 18 chieftain DH. Good review

[@FNGMOTO]

Adam I can’t wait for the adventures this summer. I don’t know what the plan for the challenger is but it would be cool if you can auction it off. Take the proceeds and put it into the camp or donate it. Smart choice as far as the diversity of bikes for the channel, hopefully you’ll find yourself near South Carolina and the wife and I can tag along.

[@jasontcolson]

Finally! More Indian, HD long-reviews, too please!

[@megraham]

Adam, time to ride the 2020 Triumph Rocket and report on it. Love your videos and keep up the good work

[@adamsandoval]

Mark Graham I will add it the list

[@Nofairweather]

I would also like to see that!

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

Good choice, all basses covered. 🤘⚡️🤘

[@rolandjosef7961]

I wish the Challenger has opted to mount the side mirrors on the fairings to make it look even better and contrast it from HD’s Road Glide.

[@davidfindley1588]

Good choices big A. Nice to have those choices to make.

[@adamsandoval]

David Findley yes it sure is. I’m so thankful for Karma

[@freedom6919741]

Well since you have so many upgrades done to Chieftain that makes sense.

[@ronthibeau2862]

I already know. The dark horse chieftain would be my choice

[@HaXaW5150]

The Dark Horse. The way you have it set up. That's the one for me. 😄

[@robertevans9544]

Damned nice comparison brother! I just cane back from dusting of the winter hibernation dust on my Chieftain Limited. I did the Challenger but dude I’m in my 60’s and a hard core old School Lover. I’ve owned AMF Shovels, and Twin Cam Road Kings.... by far my favorite was the Gilroy Chief I bought new... a sinister all black one that I rode 11 years. But the most well balanced all around Scoot is my Modern Tech Indian. It gets me right in the heart, mind body and soul. Stay safe brother...

[@adamsandoval]

Robert Saddle Tramp Evans I can relate!

[@Justentime77]

I love Indian's AND Harley's! I already have a Softail Deluxe and am looking to get an Indian sometime down the road. Thanks for comparing these two models!

[@adamsandoval]

Erik S Yup bothe great bikes

[@bobellis2912]

Yeah, I like the dark horse as well. Love the bat wing fairing. I ride a street glide and absolutely love that bike. If I gad an Indian dealership reasonably close, I’d take a serious look at one. Stay safe brother.

[@user-mk1pc3kc9c]

Adam do you have to give it back to Polaris?just asking cause it’s stock still and you just got it and are getting rid of it regardless of having same fixed fairing bikes.

[@joevsfood]

Love your videos bro. Just traded in my softtail slim for a chief darkhorse. Best decision I've ever made.

[@lifeliners1]

Totally make sense ,I support your decision for all the reasons you mentioned

[@RILLAMAN84]

Dang man! I’ve been gung ho about the the Chieftain. Now I think I want the Challenger now 🤦🏽‍♂️. They’re both so beautiful 🥺.

[@freddychico3621]

Great video .... what are your thoughts about the Challenger only having stage 1 options on pipes versus stage 3 options on chieftain?

[@CrazyGreek80]

92hp vs 122 hp air-cooled vs watercooled definitely the Challenger. Love the looks of the Chieftain. Both cost the same.

[@JeffCarsboatsatvs]

I hear you but the challenger is boxy lookin chieftain is a nicer looking bike

[@Kris_P._Bey_Ken]

The challenger seems bulky, while the chieftain has a sleeker look.

[@terrydalme131]

Adam this is terry in az got a question for ya I just traded my st glide special for a 20 road glide special. Questions are what shield are you running by who? And are you running any screens on the lower vents in the faring. I'm hoping the Corona crap is over cause I'm hitting the road in June thanks for any answers 👍

[@kentucky4696]

I am torn...i love the looks of a chieftain, but id really like to have that power of the Challenger. Be a win win for me if they would slap the power plus on the chief! Lol

[@Forleaftaback]

I am happy to see you fixed your braking issue. 😂🤣

[@jordipi7652]

Challenger is the ideal model to expand the brand throughout Europe.

[@jerryburton4883]

I have the Challenger and love it. Put the stage one intake and exhaust on it and all I can say is WOW.

[@TwoIndians]

Dude! You should be giving that thing away!!

[@jamespeterson7587]

Batwing baggers is where it’s at. Good pick.

[@geovannyespana6938]

Hey Adam! Not sure what your plans are with the challenger but If you are going to get rid of it I am totally interested in taking it off your hands! Please let me know. Also thank you for what you do for our services members! We appreciate it! You Rock!!

[@GiancarloFloyd]

Do you have any rust forming on the fenders of the bikes? I wanted a chieftain till this started being a problem. My uncle and a bunch of peoples front fender rusted and Indian told him it’s normal because of the mileage he n his bike 16000 miles and they will not fix the issue. Because of that I won’t even consider an Indian anymore.

[@TheRealStacker]

2022 release has me back here looking at the side by side comparisons. Man, I'm torn. Gotta get on that test ride when the roads clear around here.

[@adamsandoval]

I would suggest you get out there, test them out and see what works for you.

[@juanvalenzuela9236]

Is the Chieftain dark horse is the same bike as the springfield dark horse without the fairing?

[@4gotin1]

Great comparison video👍 I’ll happily stick with my chieftain but got some things to think about now hah.

[@jmf421]

After watching more of your recent videos I see that you have another Challenger. Different color and Ashley had been riding it. Did you change your mind and go back to it, I must have missed the video where you got the new one!

[@joevillareal191]

Haven't riden either, but picked the Chieftain because of it's classic style... I ride 03 Road King, and a 02 Heritage Springer with chubby apehangers, but would love to test both of those bikes... Thanks Bro 👍👊✌

[@kylestewart8354]

you should let Ashley take over the Challenger. She's been dying to have her own Indian. She deserves to have modern tech,safety and comforts of a 2020 motorcycle. Challenger right now is the best package America has to offer. And She can handle it! ;) stay Stubborn!

[@JeffCarsboatsatvs]

So what’s faster. 108 challenger or the 114 chieftain elite please ?

[@grahamjohnson3154]

Good review and couldn't go wrong with either one, honestly thought you were going to pick the Challenger. But understand your reasoning. Stay Stubborn....

[@woggman6166]

I'm a H-D guy...But I do like the Chieftain also the Challenger is just too much out there for me. Can't get past the front fairing. I would like to hear what you think about the New 131

[@jerrydouglas7643]

Logical decision and well explained. 👍

[@jimbarrier9683]

Great review. I’m doing a demo ride on both this week. The decision will be tough I’m sure!

[@adamsandoval]

that's always my end advice... ride what feels good to you. they're both great bikes

[@MeatballRebel]

Even though the Challenger has more power and fixed fairing, I am stick with my 2016 Chieftain 116 with the classic styling so I agree with you 👍

[@troncoparati]

Great video Adam. Have you ridden a 2020 Harley Touring with the RDRS? How does it compare with the indian system? Ride Safe!

[@FreddietheFly]

I think you need a Gimble for your camera person. I've noticed the last couple of videos, it's quite shaky.

[@chadmiller4678]

Just can't compare water cooled to air . two different worlds I'm my opinion

[@brianrichards517]

I am assuming these bikes both have a different frame unlike the sg and rg ?

[@WildOn2sVlog]

I rode both. The challenger is just great. Hands down for me I pick the challenger. But love my Indian Chief dark horse

[@adamsandoval]

WildOn2s Vlog 👊🏽💥

[@sahrie17]

Can you also do a comparaison between the roadmaster elite vs the cvo limited from Harley Davidson Thank you

[@slickrick4202]

I ride a 15 street glide special & I really like the dark horse. I think it looks bad ass. I’d consider buying 1

[@brianpipenur2148]

Have a 2017 Chieftain with the 116 and love it. Haven't gotten a chance to ride the Challenger yet. Which do you prefer purely from a comfort standpoint?

[@jimburdick8441]

Brian, I put 13,119 miles on my Challenger this past riding season, overall the Challenger was both the more comfortable and better handling motorcycle than my 2017 Chieftain was.

[@MoMo-ik8dv]

Great choice! I personally think the fixed fairing bikes aren’t as good looking as the batwing fairings. Hopefully in the near future Indian will make the Chieftain with a liquid cooled engine, inverted front shocks and Brembos from the factory. If they did, that would be the perfect bike! I also liked that you mentioned the saddle bags. I thought the old “rounded” bags were ugly compared to the new flatter top ones. Great video and content, keep it up during these trying times.

[@JeffCarsboatsatvs]

Agreed

[@timothyshanley1132]

Adam big question, I need a sissy bar for my 2016 Indian dark horse chief, it’s bagless and I need to carry a backpack to work, but am tired of strapping it to my back. Would like to strap it to a sissy bar. The one on your Indian looks tall enough, where did get, and can you use with solo seat. Any help would be appreciated thx Tim

[@adamsandoval]

The sissy bar is just a stick with pad removed.

[@timothyshanley1132]

What does that mean it’s just a stick with pad removed, did you get from Indian a third party like ciro, sorry to keep bothering you but I checked out Indians on website, and they all look short. What something at least as long as yours, if not longer.thx Tim

[@jimgafford611]

My brother made a joke the other day about how he needed to trade his Indiana in for a Harley now with the coronavirus out there. My wife fell for it and asked him why. He said because you know that a Harley can’t catch anything. I will give the handling to Indiana for that mono shock and frame that they have but as for power that M8 is hard to beat. Don’t know what’s out there for that new 108 in that Challenger but I imagine it still wouldn’t touch that 128 kit for our 107s.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Challenger has a lot more power and features even if you upgrade the Cheiftain to Stage3. Not really any point to buying the cheiftain unless you like that look. And neither appeal to me as much as the M8 Softails.

[@Rickybobby1340]

Softails aren't touring bikes, tho

[@2bad1]

And m8 is not a good engine.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

@@Rickybobby1340 So? I said ME, not everyone. ME

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

@@2bad1 Yes it is. with a Stage 2 Cam, the M8 114 beats the Challenger engine in power and torque.

[@diamondrmp]

Has the 2020 Chieftain been upgraded with the same performance and tech as the Challenger? If not I couldn't see paying the same amount for a lesser bike like the Chieftain. In my mind it would be bang for the buck. I tried to check but their website is not responding as of 0535hrs on 9/15/20.

[@adamsandoval]

oh man idk about the website. your beat bet would be to try again did my video just break the internet? 🤔

[@diamondrmp]

@@adamsandoval lmao

[@PETERZAWADA]

indian chieftain 2017 # 1 love it

[@papagreg534]

Yes sir brother, when it's all said and done, it is YOUR choice! 🤣😂🤣😂 Good job 👍😎 Oh yeah hello Ashley and scooter.🤭

[@Scout4x]

Yay! You said Brem Bo! Now I can sleep at night.

[@adamsandoval]

Lol. You're welcome

[@charlesshepard807]

Are you selling the challenger or is it going back to Indian?

[@tskuligowski]

It still has a factory tag on the tank.....🤔

[@jt.4930]

I will tell you Adam you pick right. I own a Roadmaster and test rode the challenger, I didn't like it even though there was new technology. NO wonder I trust you channel alot more than other channels You are a real rider and owner of the bikes...

[@adamsandoval]

I appreciate that 👊 I strive to create fair and honest content for y’all

[@GaryBickley]

Adam, when areyou going to test ride and review other makes? Thinking the new Triumph Rocket 3 would be a greatstart for you?

[@adamsandoval]

Not a bad idea 👊

[@humblewarriorus]

I was torn between those two but went with the 2020 chieftain with the 116 and don’t regret it one bit. Planing on the future to do stage 2 cams. (Not sure if you are aware but the factory 116 is not the same ad the stage 3 116)

[@winchestereod]

Which one of t he three does Ashley like the Best?

[@CableGula]

Which bars are you running on your Chieftain? Could you also throw the link my way? Thanks!!

[@adamsandoval]

I no longer have the chieftain but I did just put some new bars on my challenger that I absolutely love kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3KTaHSon6qCms0

[@CableGula]

Sweet bars, but no guesses on the bars that were on your old Chieftain?

[@gabbyhayes1568]

Like comparing Navel Oranges with Blood Red Oranges.

[@Amir-ie2yz]

Adam plz review the 2020 Ducati Diavel 1260 s. Love your channel !

[@biofractal78]

Great comparison. I do understand your personal reasons. The end of this video is more shocking that the end Avengers End Game... Lol well not that drastic but I was really surprised. If you give me a Chieftain AND a Road glide for free I would sell them both and buy the Challenger and load it with the extra money. I have the base model Challenger because it was at the time of purchase what I could afford. I'm glad that Indian decided to give us the same engine, performance, suspension etc and let us decide that "OK locking saddlebags I can live without, smaller speakers with the same 50watts per channel, etc etc." I have owned 27 motorcycles mostly Touring and Cruisers and IMO the Challenger is the Best bagger ever made PERIOD.

[@bradleypearson1087]

Just bought the 2020 roadmaster darkhorse, I'm happy with my choice best of both worlds :) chieftain/roadmaster

[@3dee106]

Love the Chieftain. I'm sure Challenger is faster but that air cooled motor and front fairing look awesome.

[@msteel2021]

I love Indian Motorcycles. In fact, I was going to pick one up last summer. However, after comparing it to my Yamaha Stratoliner, the Strat gave me more smiles, so I picked up a Rocket III instead. I'm thinking perhaps a 2021 or 2022 version of the Challenger might be more up my alley. (give it time to get the bugs out) Then again, I don't like fixed fairings because I like to go naked in the summer. If they put that engine on one that looks more like a Springfield.....I'd buy it tomorrow.

[@Tonycrossfit]

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[@adamsandoval]

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[@randyer8]

Great choice, I like both as well, but I'm old so old school it is , hehe!!

[@adamsandoval]

randyer8 world!

[@shovelhead7821]

Where did you get your boots Adam ?

[@TheRobertFC]

Good choice Adam, i would prefer the challenger but there is no point if you allready have the road glide.

[@adamsandoval]

Roberto Candanosa exactly, I’d rather have a new style bike

[@waynesiminski8268]

Another side note which you probably didn’t experience on yours cause you didn’t mention it, but the Challenger were having a bunch of electrical issues. Some other bloggers who were doing a Challenger/ Road Glide comparison had to have Indian send them a second bike caused the original one had electrical issues. Indian did do a pretty good job of keeping their problems quiet tho. Thanks

[@thomastaylor3966]

I think the Challenger is a great bike and no complaints when I rode it. Still keeping my 2019 Dark Horse to me that is one of the prettiest Motors ever made and I am a little old school I get on my bike to get away from technology and the busy of the world. But I said it before and so many have before me ride what you like and what works for you that's all that matters.

[@adamsandoval]

That's the beauty of this culture... To each their own 🇺🇸

[@markakalegion2138]

Hoping to meet Adam while I'm out that way to trade my customized Harley Davidson Softail off for a road glide so I can get more miles in too

[@robertbarnett7993]

I ride a Road Glide special and I have to say that I absolutely love the bike but I've gotten to where I despise every harley dealer on the planet. Either raping you with a $350 oil change or screwing you with tires and if you look at your bike wrong it voids your warranty. I'm thinking seriously about the Indian Challenger.

[@adamsandoval]

I would say, go and try it out and your mind will definitely be made up. although I love my Harley, I'm glad I made the challenger an addition to my garage

[@daves4yah]

Thanks for the side by side. Looks like Challenger is way to go, but I like Dark Horse view better. Hmmm,,,,

[@jefflynch526]

That Challenger is awesome. Maybe the best performance bagger touring bike on the market. Sweet ride! You know you are THERE when you can kick the Indian Challenger out of the bed!

[@cheftush]

My favourite bike is the Elite...

[@claytonsorensen1596]

Have you ever compared a BMW K1600 B to the Challenger? Wonder how you would like the fixed fairing BMW with it's 156hp, inline 6.

[@adamsandoval]

that would be quite the comparison! 🤔

[@leifandersson6808]

I just love my 2018, K1600 GTL. 160 hp 175 Nm. Can’t get enough of riding that masterpiece. Competition is a good thing though.

[@jag1963]

Ive got the 2022 Goldwing so i'd take the Cheiftain too. Its a much simpler bike and more classic looks. I already got a long distance tourer i'd want a short ride laid back style the cheiftains the one for me.

[@davidefland1985]

The Challenger is a good looking bike in real. The frame mounted fairing is a better concept. The adjustable windshields on Indian is a big plus.

[@donsvideos1985]

I'm leaning toward the Challenger!

[@Smallmau5raver]

I absolutely love the challenger but i'll have the give the win to the Chieftain DH simply because the engine is already a couple years old and seems to be perfected and the Challenger has a new engine, havent seen any problems online with it but i have seen people have had computer issues with the challenger but im sure indian will get a remedy for that super quick. Im going for my Chieftain DH 2019 soon so im pretty excited for that.