Comparing the Elecraft KX2 and the Icom IC-705. Which should I buy?

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Thomas
K4SWL

[@lpark8]

Excellent detailed review. Thank you. I own both and agree regarding the KX2. Great radio for hiking. Have not taken 705 in the field yet but looking forward to it.

[@Aarthek]

Thank you, extremely detailed on both, probably the best comparison video I've seen on these 2 radios.

[@stevecolby6505]

I have owned both the KX2 and 705. I sold my KX2 to buy my 705 (XYL requirement). Both are great rigs. For me, the 705 is better because: 1. The 705 never gets hot even when running 10 watts, while the KX2 really needs an external heatsink to stay cool. 2. The 705 battery can charge in radio mean that you won't accidentally drop/lose one of those Elecraft thumb screws in the field. 3. The 705 internal sound card with ability to connect computer and radio with either a single USB cable or by using no wires via WiFi directly is a game changer 4. Ever since I bought an Icom 7300 a while ago, I don't enjoy radios without band scopes as much as I used to....705 scope is great. That being said, I miss the cute/compactness of my old KX2. It always made me smile holding it in my hand and thinking about what this little baby could do. KX2 is an amazing rig and it is so compact and small, plus that internal tuner is one of the best around. Maybe I should sell the XYL so that I can have both rigs...hi hi.

[@neoretrophoto9198]

I'm very happy my wife doesn't try that shit with me! I don't try it with her either.

[@neoretrophoto9198]

Well Ok - she does it with motorcycles - but that's it LOL

[@annarademacher8359]

Your comments were very useful in confirming my decision to buy a 705

[@TridentMissileTech]

Separate bank accounts

[@HammockRadio]

Great video comparing the two, I had a lot of the same thoughts. As much as I loved my KX2, I sided with the 705 purely because it fit my operating style better, but everyone's is different. Having choices is what makes this hobby great!

[@adrianabshire]

Would love to see the IC-705 vs KX3 please! Great review and I do appreciate all the effort!

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Noted!

[@tomtierney2624]

A really great review. I have a KX3 and a 705. Liked your comment about which radio you would grab for the desert island. In agreement with you at this end. Probably because I bought the backpack with the 705... aka the easiest one to grab. The backpack being fully loaded with all the adapters, wires, plus a tp atu etc. But I would sorely miss the KX3 for the joy of turning that tuning knob and the radio just lifting those weak signals.

[@makskk6spm275]

I love the Elecraft KX series, Icom 705, and Yaesu FT-817 as well. They all are great radios.

[@mikemiles3068]

GREAT COMPAIRISON❗️

[@garylucas6511]

Great review!

[@alexeizhiltsov6797]

Thanks for a great video! I have a kx-2 and love it. But now I feel like adding Ic-705 to the shack after watching your review. Thank you. 73 de R2ARM!

[@thracyvarvoglis9639]

Outstanding review and delivery. I own the 705 and would agree with your assessment. I am looking at the KX2 as my focus is shifting from base to SOTA/POTA and portability is at the top of the must haves. 73 and Thanks again

[@ThomasK4SWL]

You simply can't go wrong with the KX2 for SOTA/POTA portability. It's the king of HF field portables! Thank you for the kind comment.

[@theradiorover]

A thoughtful and detailed review. I've already bought a KX2 - pretty much for the reasons you mention. I toiled for ages over the decision, as the IC-705 is such a groundbreaking radio. 73, Fraser MM0EFI

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Since I love proper field portable operations, the KX2 is the radio I reach for the most. It's the king of field portable QRP rigs, in my opinion. Insanely versatile. I love the IC-705 too, but for those times when I'm not packing in my gear and I might have a table.

[@qrptedmac]

Always look forward to the next K4SWL vid. And the QRP’r articles.

[@Frank_K4FMH]

And, Ted, although Thomas IS an amateur radio operator, his is not from the Ted Mac Amateur Hour (google that if you don't recognize that classic TV show!). Lol

[@qrptedmac]

@@Frank_K4FMH Yeah I've heard of that. But a tad before my time.

[@Frank_K4FMH]

@@qrptedmac RR! And meant in good-natured fun. Like...I'm being frank with you here, lol

[@qrptedmac]

@@Frank_K4FMH Oh I got it. Lol Hard to express sentiment with words.

[@Hogdriver88]

I have the KX3 for portable use and it is a great radio, but as a long time Icom user I would like to add the 705 for the interface - very similar to the 7610 on my desk. Nice review 👍

[@floridasaltlife]

Fantastic review...

[@joegarcia7904]

Great review though. Thanks!

[@Scif64]

I bought the 705 back in october last year and last week received the AH-705 atu and am so glad i did. fantastic option in my position. 73

[@ndjedinak]

I didn’t know the AH705 was shipping. Where did you get yours?

[@C4H6As]

I am still wondering why ICOM is not able to build a compact tuner that fits into the 705. Just like the optional one in the KX2. Elecraft shows, that it´s been possible for some years. Bought the 705 though, everythings else besides the no-tuner issue is great. I suppose there will be a MKII version with tuner and 4m in 3 years or so. My hope is some kind of API where it is possible to add digital modes by software upload. The display would be wonderfoul for FT8 etc.. And CPUs are getting more powerful each year.

[@thuff3207]

For me the size of the Kx2 is what makes it for me. It is so easy to take when you travel for a carry on that limits your space. Very nice review.

[@annarademacher8359]

I just became a subscriber to your channel. I appreciate the thorough review without a lot of hype and clip bait! I was considering the 705 and the information you provided has helped me confirm that this rig will serve the purpose intended

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Thank you, Anna! I appreciate that!

[@HamTechRadioScannerDrones]

Very good enjoyed

[@daveschwarz5279]

Just bought the 705 and l am blown away by it... l really don’t think anything is in the same league.

[@DavidS-iw4ei]

What league are you talking about?

[@KK6USYHamRadioAdventures]

Great review Thomas, I have the KX2 and was excited about the 705 when it was announced until I saw the specs. I'm sure it's a great radio but too big, heavy (same as 817/18) and a battery that doesn't give full power out where all fails for me and the battery on the KX2 having to come out to charge is really no big deal. Thanks for the review, maybe I will try the 705 someday when the price comes down.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I felt very much the same way when I initially saw the size/weight specs. I purchased it for review and seriously planned to sell it immediately after. As I mentioned in the video, that never happened and I know now that I couldn't part with it. I also like doing shortwave radio listening, and the IC-705 truly doubles as a portable receiver. Its performance is stellar. It is a chunk of change, though, so not exactly in the category of "impulse purchase!" :)

[@owlcricker-k7ulm]

Nice discussion. So, one of each is the solution!

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Exactly! :)

[@owlcricker-k7ulm]

I have no willpower when it comes to cute little QRP rigs. Buy them m, build them, keep them, collect them, search for more. There may be a twelve step program but I'm not ready.

[@barrygkx]

Well put. I have both and will not get rid of either. Barry, KU3X

[@Surge1045]

Excellent video as always. I’d be very interested in the comparison of the KX3 and 705

[@TheRubbersoul1991]

Thanks Thomas. Great analysis. 73, Phil VK8MC

[@CWB-RF]

Nice overview and comparison. I don't really have a dog in the fight as I'm not likely going to spend that much on one QRP rig.....at least not yet. I already have a couple QRP rigs at half the cost each so I'm trying not to be tempted to make another purchase. I think the KX2 would better fit my needs, but if I were already spending that kind of money I think I'd probably go all in on a KX3. It seems like it would be just as enjoyable to use at home as it would be in the field.

[@alvarogaitan2529]

thanks Thomas Another terrific video 73 from kb2uew

[@mosipd]

I bought the 705 because it's a full featured radio, essentially a low power 7300 in compact form. I don't operate in the field, but I also don't have the room for something like a 7300 and I wanted something that could do HF in a small form factor that also had all the bells and whistles. It's great being able to just pop the radio in front of my keyboard and mess around with it, and hey if I ever want to go in the field I got something other than an HT.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

And right there is the power of the IC-705. Every conceivable feature in an HF radio, it takes up almost no desk space, doesn't have to be constantly tied to a power supply, and its receiver is amazing. A solid choice, there!

[@vk4foo]

Good review

[@MrCowboybud]

I use a external 2M transverter with my KX3 and it works great. I use it for operating 2M SSB as well as having local repeaters programed on the radio. You can use this same set up on the KX2. This is something to think about if you are wanting to buy the IC-705 just because it has all mode VHF/UHF, but you already own a KX2 or KX3.

[@MrCowboybud]

@@forgetyourlife I use an external transverter from Ukraine which puts out 13 W. I couple those with my 2 m amp and it transmits at 113 W. I use this when talking on the Sidewinder Net out of Claremore Oklahoma which is 117 miles from my house.

[@w7lht287]

I actually had this debate with myself before I purchased my radio. I came from using an icom 7000 so the ICOM user interface would’ve been natural for me. However ultimately I went with the KX3 because it was tried and true. I think the portability of the kx2 is amazing. The features of the 705 are great as well but for me wanting to mix at home use and field use the KX3 was a great balance between the two!

[@ThomasK4SWL]

And the KX3 is truly a solid choice--certainly, a benchmark in terms of receiver performance, too!

[@haiduc32]

I'm interested in backpacking so SOTA is the way to go for me. KX2 fits the bill, although it was heavier than advertised. Internal battery could be better, if using newest Li-Ion cells from.. forgot, samsung I think.. Will rebuild my battery, maybe will do a video on that, I'm still waiting on a new BMS and battery wraps. I was reflecting on what would make the ultimate SOTA radio - weight was my primary concern. I've adapted the uSDX design to a new form factor that would fit in a shirt pocket, waiting for pcbs and parts. fingers crossed.

[@2escapees1947]

Thanks for the comparisons Mike M7BYU

[@WA1LBK]

Excellent objective review. I agree, for your operating style, the Elecraft is probably a better fit. I own an IC-705 & later purchased the companion AH-705 autotuner. A HUGE consideration for me is that I'm a VHF / UHF weak signal operator, primarily SSB & FT8 / FT4. If you have an iPad, you can operate the IC-705 remotely via WiFI using SDR-Control app; it makes FT8 / FT4 operation TOTALLY wireless, NO UDB cable needed! (Operating FT8 with a conventional PC via USB sometimes leads to issues with either PC noise in the IC-705 or USB "hangs" if the antenna is close nearby). I use the IC-705 (so far) as primarily a "second shack", vs. my IC-7300 / IC-9700 main staion. Using the IC-705 / AH-705 with a 30' long piece of wire strung between a couple or rooms INDOORS, a running off a 12-volt battery to get 10 watts output, I've worked as far as Japan & Australia from my home QTH in Massachusetts on FT8. Connected to my full - size 75 meter inverted V, I've had a leisurely trans - Atlantic QSO at 5 watts with a "big gun" UK station on 75 M. SSB. I've also used in on D-star, primaily using a telescoping 19" whip antenna thats loads with a perfect SWR on 2 meters, enjoyed a late - night D-Star QSO with another Japanese station (Yes, I realise it's primarily an "internet" QSO). The AH-705 tuner, while a bit pricey & almost as big as the IC-705 itself, works off a pair of alkaline "AA" batteries & is VERY fast & versatile. 73, Tom WA1LBK

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Thank you for the comment, Tom! I've also become a big fan of the SDR-Control app. I plan to take my laptop to the field and do a little FT8 wirelessly some day with the IC-705. Also, I believe the 705 does a brilliant job on VHF and UHF!

[@AE5X]

Nice video, Thomas - I predict a lot of comments! I've owned two KX2's - sold the first one, regretted it and bought another. Then I bought a mcHF which I consider a "poor man's KX2". I really liked that it (like the 705) requires no external sound card to operate digi modes. I didn't know it at the time but the mcHF, due to that feature and the spectrum scope, was my gateway drug to the IC-705. No regrets at all in buying it.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Thanks, John! Yes, the IC-705 is a solid rig. I've been enjoying reading your posts about your adventures with it, too! You know, shortly after making this video, I did the Lake Norman activation where I put you in the logs for the second time. :) I may or may not eventually post the video I made of that activation--I had so many issues. For one thing, as I started the activation, a park ranger and crew brought power tools (including a portable table saw) to the picnic table are behind me and started repair work. Not sure I'll subject anone to that. :)

[@AE5X]

@@ThomasK4SWL - Thomas, I made a video of that contact but deleted it because I had QRM that completely covered up bits of the QSO. I'll get one yet - especially since you seem to be doing a lot of CW activations lately. 73

[@FM-us3rd]

I am fortunate to have both. I bought the 705 way before finding out that the KX2 even existed and I still really enjoy the 705. But after waiting my 16 weeks for delivery of my KX2 with ATU my impression was, wow this thing is a throwback radio, feels and looks unrefined. It does not appear to be very weather resistant either, with all of the holes and seams for where the rear panel hides the battery compartment. The knobs are plastic and there is no real feel to the VFO as with other precision radio VFO's. But with all this said, I absolutely love the KX2. It is very pleasant to use, it receives very well especially with headphones. The menu utilizing multiple buttons to get around is brilliant for such a small form factor, the screen in any conditions is bright and very usable. The built in ATU is great, it could tune anything. It has 10 watts in a tiny package, built in ATU and the battery lasts a long time. This wonderful little radio for its size and weight is incredible and I find myself using it more and more. I bought the paddles in hopes that one day I will be able to dit and dah.

[@georgewashington7444]

Good stuff! When Elecraft figures out “no open” battery charging I will add the KX2 to my QRP collection! I am thinking the KX2 or TX-500 paired with the FT60R would prove a perfect SOTA kit. Kind of a don’t put your egg in one basket thing. It’s a bummer spending a day to activate a peak and having the radio not work. Elecraft. Onboard charger please!

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I certainly wouldn't complain if they added an internal charger. With that said, I've recharged that battery hundreds of times, so it's all muscle memory! :) I'm with you. There's something to be said for a separate HT.

[@k8drtqrp]

After a ton of research (and waiting), I bought the 705 instead of the KX2 last year. However I’m sure I will end up with both in the end. 😂

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I understand. Seriously. I understand! Ha ha!

[@timmcdonough8543]

I've had the KX2 since before the IC-705 existed. For portable operation it just seems perfect largely due to the size of the complete radio+tuner+battery package. Looking forward to seeing and operating a IC-705 at some point. I'm especially curious about how well the color LCD works in the sunlight. Good video and comparison! Tim N9PUZ

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Thanks, Tim! The display works quite well in full sunlight. Much better than I would have anticipated.

[@BargainBasementHamRadio]

Awesome, honest information! I've often waffled back and forth on the KX2 vs KX3. I have an IC-703 with the backpack to go with it, but really want an updated rig. The 705 is appealing because the interface looks identical to my 7300, but I don't think I would need all of those features for portable use, but it is easy to fall into the more features trap. I think the KX3 is a better option for me since I'll be doing SSB until I get my confidence and jump into the CW deep end. Thanks for all of your insight!

[@ThomasK4SWL]

So glad you found it helpful, OM! :)

[@alexdokic5567]

Hi Tom, enjoy watching your postings, my preference is the 705, the main reasons are that it is a much better build quality, it can do a lot more, and the sound from the speaker is far superior than the Elecraft!! The 705 is not perfect but it's not far away! My Chameleon mpas works very well with the 705, I'm now awaiting the F loop 2.0 to arrive, so soon to be playing with a new toy... 😀 73 M0KVA

[@ThomasK4SWL]

All very good points for the IC-705! I do love its front-facing speaker as well! Thanks for the kind comments! Cheers & 73, Thomas K4SWL / M0CYI

[@andrewperry605]

I have a kx2, two of my mates have the 705. I have an external battery only. I have the internal tuner and for the size and weight, it does it for me. One of my mates does as much sota as me (more) and has resonant antennas, the other bought the elecraft tuner. 705 has 2m and some digital stuff, and the waterfall. It's a beautiful bit of gear. Both radios will do what you want. Internal tuner sold me though. So compact. So, my sota radio gear weighs 2.9kg. Mate with a 705, 3kg. Stuff all differemce, and the 705 is a pretty trick bit of gear. Sooner or later there will be an internal tuner. Oh, audio, the kx2 has crap audio, headphones are essential in tricky conditions. Still, love my kx2 :-)

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Well said. That's why I grab the KX2 without fail if I'm doing SOTA. It's just so easy to use and lightweight/compact.

[@wolfholler9939]

There are - maybe - aprox. 10 years difference in technology. I like the new features in Ham Radio like BT an WLAN which the 705 have. But I'm with you for real backpacking it's too bulky. My plans are to put it into a Pelican style box along with the mAT ATU and a 12V battery to take it on my camping trips for operating digital modes out of the box. I like your videos ;-)

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Thank you, Wolf! Sounds like a plan for the IC-705! Send me some pics when you get your field kit together!

[@WASRT001]

If the 705 had an internal tuner, I would have bought it instead of the Xeigu X6100. After recent firmware updates, the X6100 is a great radio with an internal tuner that is fantastic! Of course the 705 is better quality but twice the price with no tuner. Couldn't do it.

[@k6usy]

And the AH-705 is another $350 if you want a tuner…

[@k6usy]

2 years later, I just order my 705 and it’s still back ordered everywhere. Going to take 2-4 weeks to get mine. They keep flying out the door the second they show up.

[@echo-hotel]

I went with the 705 and love it. But I’m very curious about the KX2… Though maybe I should be looking into a mountain topper.

[@PendejoRyan]

I have a 705 and recently purchased a 5 band MTR. It's a really fun little radio.

[@N4KRX]

Excellent look at these two radios! You made some logical, fair and valid points. I am a fan of 'Icom' radios and I am in awe of the many IC-705 features. But, for me I would go with the KX2. A small, totally self contained radio is what I like for QRP operations in the field. And I love the sound of the receiver on CW with the Elecraft. It's as if it is sucking the CW signals out of nowhere. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and findings. I am sure it will help many decide which radio is right for them...73!

[@ThomasK4SWL]

The KX2 remains one of my all-time favorite portable HF radios for those very reasons! It's so portable and adaptable.

[@potaactivator]

Thomas, good video. You used the right word when comparing the two, "subjective". Subjectively speaking, the KX2 meets my needs as a POTA activator. I have been using my KX2 mostly on CW. Because I use resonant and non-resonant antennas, the built in auto tuner eliminates the need for an auxiliary component. What makes my experience interesting is that I purchased my KX2 used. I had no dog in the hunt so-to-speak in the KX2/705 debate. I purchased it because the price was too good to pass up. Now, if I had use for the features on the IC-705 I may be singing a different tune. Your video does a good job of providing information that will help a Ham make his own decision. Thank you! de K4NYM

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Thank you, Bill. That's just brilliant that you were able to snag a used KX2 for a good price! I'm sure you're giving all of your radios a proper workout with your activation load! Cheers, Thomas K4SWL

[@meggalavk3ktt]

i sold my kx3 for a ic705 and i would do it again tomorrow. no need for a ht any more. plus instant digi modes and blue tooth wifi and scope. and dstar

[@daveys]

Love the IC-705. Great radio. Performs superbly on SOTA. Probably don’t need the bandscope on 2m SOTA work as I always get a pile-up but it’s great in the early stages of an activation to have a look for S-2-S stations. So many other functions that make it great for outdoors - Audio recorder, GPS for position on the PC, MGR and syncing the clock (for FT8), soundcard (for FT8, APRS, SSTV). It is truly a great radio for portable use. I’m not too bothered about the lack of tuner as I use resonant antennas anyhow.

[@TonyYarusso]

The lack of APRS functionality built into the 705 bums me out - that’s a definite missed opportunity on Icom’s part. I’m curious to see if someday Yaesu comes out with a competitor that includes it.

[@daveys]

@@TonyYarusso analogue APRS would have been useful. Would have swapped that for the whole of DSTAR to be honest.

[@TonyYarusso]

@@daveys Absolutely. On digital voice, wake me when they standardize, lol.

[@daveys]

@@TonyYarusso - yeah, never used DV on mine. FM SOTA, now that’s another thing entirely.

[@christofwager7518]

May I ask you, which Antennas you use?

[@g4okt]

I agree with K8DRT, I had the same problem 11 years ago, K2 or K3? My boss said, "buy both", it was the best decision in the end. I have just bought a used KX2, it's great, but the 705 is a complete shack in a box with VHFUHF. 'Buy both', may well be an option for some people, these are both great /P rigs!

[@ThomasK4SWL]

You know, I hate to be an enabler, but "BUY BOTH!" :) Ha ha! I must say that while these aren't exactly "inexpensive" they are much more affordable than some of the flagship 100W+ transceivers. I'd love a K3S or even a K3 at home. 73, Thomas K4SWL / M0CYI

[@g4okt]

@@ThomasK4SWL If I could only have one, yes, the KX2 of course :)

[@mabo4848]

Haha buy both .. I love them both

[@ag1382]

From the owner of #1910 w/tuner, internal batteries, and key. The KX2 strongest points size and power requirement to run. It will do 10 watts on internal battery. If I need a HT, I will bring one along. The 705 is huge in comparison.

[@RoelandJansen]

5 vs 10 Watts does not make much sense to me. Also, note that a good antenna (portable use) should not require an ATU.

[@maneroification]

Throwing in my vote for KX3 vs IC-705 as well. I recently took my KX3 and PX3 portable, and found the PX3 a little less than useful in the full sun. Curious how the IC-705's screen compares.

[@ghostinthecodeRF]

Kx3,817 and 705

[@toddbu-WK7L]

I just received my TX-500 yesterday and it’s amazing! You’ll have to wait for a few months because they are on back order, but there is no other radio like it

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I reviewed and helped test a pre-production model of the TX-500. I was *very* impressed with it. Here's my review: swling.com/blog/2020/11/a-review-of-the-lab599-discovery-tx-500-qrp-transceiver/ lab599 is sending me a long-term loaner soon. I'm very likely to buy it from them rather than send it back. I enjoyed even the early iterations of that rig.

[@djand77]

I had the 705 on preorder and ended up canceling it to order the TX-500. I got it and don't regret my decision at all.

[@mikehorvath4780]

Wish the TX-500 had a MARS option.

[@truckinguy92]

I’ve looked @ the TX-500 but I’m seeing a lot of people having major issues with them. I’d be a little more inclined if it had a built in tuner like the KX2.

[@toddbu-WK7L]

@@truckinguy92 I only ever run resonant antennas so no need for an ATU

[@kenhagler7166]

I bought a KX2 after that big snowstorm here in Texas when I realized I needed a good battery powered HF radio. For me the small size, no need for an external tuner, and low power use were the deciding factors of the IC-705. However, after using it for a while, I'd say that while it's great for short trips to city parks or operating out in the parking lot of the apartment complex where I live, I wouldn't want to take it out in the field for a camping trip lasting multiple days or even weeks. Those little screws that hold the back on and act as the attachment point for radials when using the AX1 antenna are _not captive_ , which means they're likely to get lost. In the short time I've had mine, I've already spent ten minutes sifting through the dirt under a picnic table to recover one of the screws. With that in mind, I've backordered a TX-500 in the hope that it will be better for extended field use.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Wow! I've never lost those thumb screws yet, but you're right! They're not captive. Very good point.

[@lasantiagoa]

For bikepacking I'm going to a KX3 + DX Commander Tactical All band portable. Too heavy for normal hiking but excellent all modes all bands setup for bikepacking/DXPeditions/Portable or even EMCOMM operations

[@fullsaildigital]

For sota only kx2 all day long. It was made for it. Last thing you want to have happen is after. A 6 mile hike, realize you can’t get your swr below 3:1 on your antenna for some reason. 705, you’re done. Yes they make qrp tuners that are small but it’s just another thing to worry about and cart up the mountain. 705 is perfect for pota or other portable operating where weight isn’t such a premium

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I agree: the KX2 is a SOTA machine!

[@ferdinandfrozenstein]

Yeah, it happened several times to me that an antenna otherwise quite tuned, was out-of-tune somewhere and I was glad I had a tuner to fix that. I have IC705 wit mAT-705, wired together inside a camera bag. It's great, but sometimes too big (and indeed bigger than a KX2). So sometimes, I take a CW-only small rig (SW-3B), but again, to address the risk of mismatched antenna, I take Elecraft T1 tuner with me. It'd be great to have a radio with such a tuner integrated in.

[@DARTHDANSAN]

Some many radio choices lol hard to choose

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

I just don’t like dealing with the internal batteries of the KX2. Really turned me off.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I found it a little weird, too. Admittedly, though, I hardly think about it anymore when I swap it out I'm so used to the process. It's always a bit weird to open a radio and see the internals when you're putting the battery in, too. With that said, it does work and I've never had issues. I do like the ability to run 10W out for more than an hour of continuous use with the KX2. A true plus for SSB ops. But oh I do love the IC-705 as well. :)

[@DannerPlace]

This video makes me want both of them, LOL.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

And that, right there, is typically my problem. :)

[@HAMRADIO_QRP_and_more]

Great video, tnx ! Vy informative, helps a lot on the way to my decision (but am still torn between these two exceptional radios). Vy 73 de Mike DL1BJW

[@n9oqu]

The 705 uses the same connector as a MICRO USB connector like from a 3g phone not USB C (android) connector

[@G4AKC]

Great review Thomas ... thank you ....Dave, G4AKC

[@ThomasK4SWL]

My pleasure. Thank you.

[@kedmark]

Hi Thomas how well does the 705 work with your Elecraft AT 1 portable ATU? Great reviews thank you and regards 73 De Karl KE3KWE

[@ThomasK4SWL]

It pairs with the IC-705 brilliantly. I don't use a command cable, I simply use the T1's RF-sensing and have it sort out a match. I find that it's actually as quick and there's no need for an extra cable. The T1 is a very solid portable ATU--my favorite, in fact. Cheers, Thomas K4SWL

[@korlilkatana7653]

At the end of the day, whatever works for you, is the winner.

[@rickvestuto]

FYI When something is "HOT SWAPPABLE" That means the radio will stay powered while you change out the battery........Is this the case?

[@ThomasK4SWL]

That was a poor choice of words on my part. No: the battery pack is not truly hot-swappable unless you also have an external battery or power supply hooked up at the same time. If you do, then the battery packs can be changed without powering down the rig.

[@stevepatterson2290]

I love the KX2 , pricey but its a good radio , and has a built in tuner , im not a Icom man , been burned my them on a warranty claim.

[@RSwrightMD]

Icom has always backed any warranty claim (which in my experience is a rare need) I have had. They deliver consistently superior receiver engineering in every product. Their User Interface is the industry best.

[@Sky1]

I just need a head like the Maestro so I can remote my home station on the beam

[@roninsc]

Do you have an Elecraft KXPA-100? If so, I'd like to see a video on using it with the IC-705. Can you use the KXPA's connecting cables into the 705, will the amps internal turner work, and what settings are needed in the 705? Thanks.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Someone else has asked about this. I do have the KXPA100. I'll try to make a video in the near future. I *think* I might need to make a connector cable for the IC-705. I'll have to look into it.

[@socalamateurradio1118]

My 705 is connected to my KXPA100. You have to make a keying cable to key the KXPA on TX. Easy to build though.

[@roninsc]

@@socalamateurradio1118 Details

[@socalamateurradio1118]

@@roninsc Google it. Eezy peezy.

[@truckinguy92]

@@roninsc I did exactly this. When connected, I lost my outgoing message repeat function on the 705 for some odd reason.

[@DominicMazoch]

Why didn't I make the 705 as a self contained unit, then a docking station at home for 100w, ant. tuning, and battery recharge?

[@RF_Burns]

Because they want you to buy a 7300 and 9700 instead.

[@MrCudgel]

comparing kx2 and ic-705 is like comparing a Japanese and an American car. I’m fine with my Land Cruiser 200 as well as the icom 705.

[@DR4Christ]

Does either or both have a scan feature to find active channels?

[@ThomasK4SWL]

You know? Scanning is always something I've done manually. Perhaps someone else can chime in with some knowledge on this.

[@kq6up]

The KX2 would be a no brainer for SOTA. I have a LNR Mounter topper 5b for SOTA now. It has been mostly good, but the audio is really weak. If it is windy or noisy at the top, it is challenging to hear. SUPER tiny for a 5 band radio though.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

The MTR radios are truly amazing for their size. I still prefer my KX2, though. I love the MTR3B (which I have) but I need quite a few things attached to get on the air--the KX2 only needs an antenna.

[@RandomStranger69]

I know this is an older video but I thought the KX2 has an upgrade option to the battery for internal charging? You still have to take battery out for this or is yours not upgraded?

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Correct: This video was made a year before Elecraft introduced the internal battery charger option. I have this option installed in my KX2 now and it's brilliant. Not a speedy charge (like the fast charger) but incredibly convenient.

[@RandomStranger69]

@@ThomasK4SWL Ok awesome ! Trying to decide if I go the cheaper X6100 route or just buy once cry once and go with the kx2 or the 705.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

@@RandomStranger69 I'm a "buy once, cry once" kind of guy. There's no buyer's remorse with the KX2 or IC-705.

[@doesstuffoutside]

Somehow I came away from this video feeling like you just told me that the IC-705 is a better radio, but I want the KX-2 anyway... I think use case has to be a big factor. I already have a G90 and an FT-891 for vehicle portable stuff, and am not unhappy with them. But as the kids are starting to get more mobile, I'm hoping to do more SOTA. The KX-2 dimensions are just too compelling. Also, the aesthetic is just pleasing in a way the Icom is not. I'm in a position where either radio represents saving for a while, so I still have some time to vacillate, but I'm leaning KX-2 after this.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

The choice has *everything* to do with your own operating style. Me? The KX2 is my favorite hands down. The IC-705 is a beautiful radio, but I'm a big portable op and you can't beat the versatility, size, and ruggedness of the KX2. I've dropped the KX2 more times than I can count and it's survived. I imagine for ever 15 activations I do with the KX2, I do one with the IC-705. For some, that's the complete opposite because they have a different operating style.

[@doesstuffoutside]

@@ThomasK4SWL Thanks. I get that. I think the form factor and ruggedness are really some of the more compelling aspects. I also don't find digital as big of a draw, particularly in the field. I like to dabble with FT8 at home in the background, but the immersion of SSB and now that I've cut my teeth on my first activation with it, CW are just so much more fun. I'd love to have both, but I think I'll get more fun per dollar from a KX-2 the way I'm hoping to operate going forward. Thanks for showcasing all these great radios and being a driver in my learning CW, by the way. That first CW activation this week was a blast.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

@@doesstuffoutside Bravo on that CW activation! Very well done! I can assure you that there'll be no buyer's remorse with the KX2. Without a doubt--based on my operating style--it's my favorite field radio. Sounds like it would be yours as well!

[@sonarmb]

KX3 owner here, thinking of getting a 705 as well...cant have too many radios! Radios are like Sex Pizza and Scotch, e ven a bad radio is better than no radio!!! 73 VK6MMB/AI7GX

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Hear, hear!

[@johnk8091]

I own a fully loaded and factory built Elecraft KX3 and PX3 (imported new direct from Elecraft) , and I also have the IC-705 (imported new from the UK). If I were faced with that decision, there would be no hesitation, I would keep my IC-705. Goodbye KX3...

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Thanks for sharing that. Out of curiosity, what mode(s) do you primarily operate?

[@johnk8091]

@@ThomasK4SWL I use CW, FT8, SSB and Satellites - probably in that order. Oh, and a whole lot of SWL tuning and listening. The modes I don't use are DSTAR C4FM (and similar internet based digital modes) VHF/UHF repeaters and EME.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

@@johnk8091 RR. Thanks, John!

[@stephenwalters9891]

Have you considered the Xiegu x5105 as a comparison?

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I have, but I don't have one to review (yet). :)

[@stephenwalters9891]

@@ThomasK4SWL The big problem, as I see it, with these Chinese radios, is serviceability. No service manuals, no spares, no repair network, NOTHING. If you blow the finals or some, pre-programmed microcontroller, it's junk.

[@greg8814]

Thanks for your time, but is anyone really really want to choose the KX2 over the IC-705 for any reason. There is no comparison between them guys. The icom ic-705 is an level by itself. The only comparison is to compare the ic705 with an imaginary radio, a future radio.

[@barrybogart5436]

Why not compare it to the KX3? It has 6M and 2M. You can get a PX3 display for it.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

I plan to do that comparison, too.

[@w4mkh]

If you were on a desert island the extra features of the 705 wouldn't be very useful. The VHF and DStar functionality would be worthless on the island. The lack of an AT would also limit the 705. It also doesn't have the usage history of the KX2 so no telling how it will hold up for the long run.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Good points. Although I suppose I didn't *literally* mean a desert island, I know I would take advantage of the IC-705s frequency stability on 2M and 70cm to play with satellites! :)

[@w4mkh]

@@ThomasK4SWL Good points. Using the two meter with satellite you could get yourself rescued. Any of the satellites do DStar? then you could hit a reflector and improve your rescue chnces.

[@w4mkh]

I've taken a closer look at the 705 and I think I'm going to get me one along with an FT-891. Those should cover all of my POTA needs.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

@@w4mkh you know...I'm curious if D-Star would be robust enough that perhaps it could be used with a satellite that sports a transponder. Then again, I'm betting the mode doesn't do well with doppler shift. Hmmm...

[@docpearson]

The 705 does not have an internal antenna tuner. I think that 705 is a piece of crap because on purpose they left the Antenna tuner out so you’d have to buy that separately and after you buy everything to go with it, you might as well have a 7300 that has one built in.

[@petrok1rp254]

Really do not understand why Icom did not built in the ATU... big mistake!

[@TridentMissileTech]

KX2 was disappointing for me. I was expecting more for the price. It was very expensive.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Wow. I might have mentioned before that it's my favorite all time field-portable because it's so incredibly capable and packs brilliant performance. What are the weak points for you?

[@TridentMissileTech]

@@ThomasK4SWL the price and then the cw decoder. Its pretty but not a lot of bang for the buck. I have 4 of the Qcx series and for 55 dollars it has an extremely accurate decoder. I know there is no comparison between the two radios in price since the qcx is only data and cw. But the decoders can be compared. I like the atu on the KX2. I think that is the just as good as any other radio such as G90. As far as everything else on the KX2, I think you are paying alot for pretty. Plenty of radios offer the same and more for a third of the price. And the battery situation for the KX2 is very inconvenient and amateurish. I worked in manufacturing as a quality engineer and quality manager. We had to consistently make improvements in our products, production and every year lower our costs. If we made KX2’s , I’m sure the internal battery situation would have been fixed to not require removal to charge

[@joegarcia7904]

13:43. I think you meant try to be objective vs. subjective.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Yes. I actually say "objective" but I realize saying "as objective" might sound like "subjective." Truth is, we try to be objective on reviews, but in the end it's a pretty subjective process especially when doing comparisons (other than lab tests like Rob Sherwood does).

[@joegarcia7904]

Agree. Thank you. Subscribing now.

[@AlexJonesWasRight1776]

HOW MUCH MONEY DO I NEED TO DISH OUT TO GET A BASIC AND COMPLETE FUNCTION MOBILE OPERATION SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING IN A VEHICLE, HONESTLY???

[@ThomasK4SWL]

So I'm not the person to reply to this because I've never had a mobile installation. There are a number of POTA activators who only do mobile activations, though. I know with HF, it's all about good grounding and a solid antenna installations.

[@TridentMissileTech]

I just got a KX2 about 3 months ago. The base unit with the atu, microphone, battery and charger, it was about 1300.00 dollars. I did not get clock nor the paddles.

[@K1OIK]

No yelling.

[@AlexJonesWasRight1776]

@@K1OIK MIND YOURSELF!!!!!

[@Brighamdoc]

$2,000

[@BastHoen]

Very good video review. Thank you. 73 PA5BAS

[@elanpaim33]

great video well all your Chanel is great how ever the Elecraft is a name only the quality of the radio is poor plastic knob that keep cracking /if you use cw /or Digi mode they get so hot you need to add heatsink Elecraft will not do nothing about it this go to the kx2/kx3 inside is okay but the outside look like MFJ box not good for what you pay I stay away from this company the price of this small radio from them are supper high price the ic 705 so much better all the way ,as well they marketing are poor are they on this planet ? vy 73 enjoy

[@ghostinthecodeRF]

Outdoor radio Not waterproof.......why?

[@ThomasK4SWL]

Honestly? It adds expense. But, hey! The lab599 folks did it with the TX-500.

[@ghostinthecodeRF]

@@ThomasK4SWL can I point out that the 705 Icom is 1300 in the uk and yet you can buy an ipx7 marine radio also Icom with almost that same style of chassis for only 200 so tell me how it has anything to do with cost,as for there not being enough money in this hobby a length of hard line feeder cand cost as much as the radio on the other end. Way too many excuses not enough doing in the past 50 years the likes of Yaesu Icom and Kenwood have been around.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

@@ghostinthecodeRF like I said, now that the lab599 TX-500 has entered the market, perhaps other manufacturers will take notice.

[@ghostinthecodeRF]

@@ThomasK4SWL not in the uk they haven’t 😂

[@ghostinthecodeRF]

@@ThomasK4SWL and to be honest if the ic705 is anything to go by it won’t be here until the next solar peak if ever.....

[@ElDirtyFly]

and then for only 500 bucks you get the xiegu x5105 !

[@ThomasK4SWL]

The X5105 is certainly a worthy field radio!

[@timk7749]

I had a x5105 for about 3 years but last week I let the magic smoke out. I plugged the charger into the radio while the charger was plugged into the main power (honestly first time I had ever done this) and something shorted and that was that. I doubt the price of repair is worth the radio. Back to the trusty 817 lol but I really did love the x5105 just be careful charging. Great vids btw 73 de KF7VUT

[@ElDirtyFly]

@@timk7749 damn... I've heard of that problem.. did you get it fixed ?

[@timk7749]

@@ElDirtyFly no I didn't. I tore the radio apart hoping it was the battery but it wasn't. A section of the board about the size of a dime was chared with all components and traces gone. The radio turns on but stays in constant tx mode. I loved the radio. Maybe I'll wait for the new 6100. Other than that I have no complaints. Very compact and worked it with cw, ssb, js8 and pat Winlink.

[@calpilot7]

Not feeling the KX2….it is low tech and not as versatile. IC705 all the way every day.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

"À chacun son truc" as they say in French. Roughly: "To each their own." The very, very cool thing about the QRP transceiver landscape these days is how there's nearly a radio for everyone. The IC-705 is a solid choice.

[@kb7tse]

Elecraft produces a radio that looks like a home brew kit instead of a professionally manufactured radio. Almost as bad a Ten-Tec

[@daveycrockett9447]

Both are way overpriced radios!!!!!

[@ferdinandfrozenstein]

They aren't. The cheap chinese rigs are just lowering the bar/price treshold you see. Of course, you can buy a Xiegu, depends if you appreciate the quality or not. If you just focus on specs and feature lists, yes, they are overpriced.

[@RF_Burns]

Yes I thought that. It took me about a year to finally pull the trigger on a 705, but within a week of actually owning one I realised that it's a bit of a bargain!

[@richardpowell723]

A great review thank you 👍 M0DSK

[@ThomasK4SWL]

My pleasure!

[@ncphotos]

Great video! de W2CSI

[@JaazznMaannn]

You review is very much appreciated and very neutral. I will go for the 705, because I will use more as a base station and have the ability to take the radio QRP in the yard ;) Thanks for a good sollid review.

[@ThomasK4SWL]

An excellent choice for your needs!