Comparison between the Dominican Republic and Haiti (DNA Topic)

Final video where I go through three articles explaining the differences in demographic origins between two ethnic groups on the island of Hispaniola, who both are fundamentally different from one another in demographic origin. Hopefully in the summer I will introduce some slides I created a few months back. Cited articles and video linked below. Observe with an open mind. Like, Comment, and Share!
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[@yuniorrojascamacho2147]

This proves several things 1- Haitian are not genetically links with Tainos 2- English and French did not mix with neither Tainos or Africans 3- Dominicans are mixed "multiraces" 4- Dominicans, Puerto Rican, Cubans are more related between themselves.

[@AntilleanFederation]

The relative frequencies of European and African clades seem to be correlated with the type of colonial rule. In the British and French colonies, the segregation of slaves was stronger than in the Iberian territories, the interethnic marriages prohibited and no rights were recognized to children of parents of different ethnicity. Therefore, in the former British and French territories, the separation between the two main groups (i.e. European colonists and African slaves) was sharper and the admixture reduced. This is from the 2020 Y haplogroup study on the Dominican Republic. As documented by the geneticists and also by Dominican historian Alfredo Vargas. Saint Domingue had a strict racial system. This why as the people of Haiti where imported in the 18th century there was very little admixture. Of which the 2011 study I showed breaks down the conditions in Saint Domingue. Alfredo Vargas states which is 1,000 % factual. We did not have the same colonial past.

[@Americanoviaja]

💯📰 facts

[@neliathen638]

​@AntilleanFederation in our territories there were not slaves, The Queen and the King did not want already baptized people witn other religions, the pirate Francis Drakes offered twice to the king ships of slaves and he did not agree. They might be the slaves in the vecino country because the French established themselves in the Española Island with French African military men, no slaves; these were the African military men that France used to attack China towns, see China history with the French.

[@AntilleanFederation]

@neliathen638 slavery in Santo Domingo after the 16th century was practically non existent due to Spain abandoning the colony. With the Spanish plantation model displaced for cattle ranching.

[@Hoollowpoint]

Haití es una piedra en el zapato

[@HispaniolaHistoryChannel]

I'm glad this video is getting views, Americans need to know the differences and respect those differences, good work hermano!

[@Adniel170]

Nice content Dominicans Puerto Ricans Panamanians Cubans are triracial populations who can easily blend in Brazil Colombia etc..

[@user-vp4ow1wj1e]

Mi amigo, hay que reconocerle a España, nuestra colonizadora europea, que no le importó mezclarse con los indígenas y con los africanos y dónde no hubo esclavitud, cosa de la que no se puede sentir orgullosa INGLATERRA, NI FRANCIA, ALEMANIA, BÉLGICA, HOLANDA, países exterminadores de étnias , recursos naturales y esclavistas, sobre todo y mas que todos INGLATERRA.😔

[@AntilleanFederation]

@@user-vp4ow1wj1e Alfredo Vargas, de quien tuve el placer de aprender mucho, explica bien cómo Santo Domingo (época colonial) no tuvo el mismo pasado colonial que Saint Domingue (un hecho documentado). La esclavitud era inexistente de nuestro lado debido a que España abandonó nuestro territorio durante tres siglos. Aunque las interacciones del primer contacto fueron hostiles. Los españoles tenían opiniones raciales relajadas y mestizas, como se documenta en el estudio citado. Además, como se documenta en el video, no teníamos un sistema de reparto racial estricto como muchos en los Estados Unidos creerían. Mientras que en las colonias francesas y británicas lo hicieron. El contexto histórico lo es todo, porque sin nosotros como grupo étnico y los miembros del homo sapiens en el extranjero seguiremos cometiendo el error de observar todo a través de una lente en blanco y negro.

[@PH7018c]

La esclavitud se abolió en 1512 en La Española.. para 1500 se habian llevado esclavos africanos del mercado arabe del mediterraneo.. Esclavos que fueron libertos con la decision real/relligiosa. En otros años mas tarde, la esclavitud fue proscrita en las posesiones españolas en los años subsiguientes. Los esclavos franceses e ingleses de america del norte se pasaban al lado español para ser libres de la esclavitud. Pueden visitar el canal Historia con Patricio Lons para mas informacion.

[@eddiemonesti5671]

​@@user-vp4ow1wj1eExactamente. España tenia Bi Reinatos, No Colonia. Construyo universidades, Hospitales y Ciudades que, 500 años despues son de las Ciudades mas linda de America, Y de las que mas reciben turismo. Viva España. Saludo desde Republica Dominicana.

[@livelife7552]

Very good video. A lot of insightful information on the Tainos.

[@musicabcofficial5799]

I AM VERY PROUD THAT YOU SPREAD THE TRUTH 😊

[@stillhb]

Great job brother. 🏆

[@AntilleanFederation]

You already know bro. 💪

[@osvaldobenavides5086]

Almost missed this!! KZbin did not notify me!

[@solstice191]

Good show brother! I had read about the Indigenous paternal haplogroup found in DR. I hope more research is done on this anomaly..

[@AntilleanFederation]

That 2020 Y haplogroup study is linked in the description. If you haven't checked it out read it when you have free time. It's addressed there. Pretty interesting.

[@jonathanhenryreport]

I appreciate the breakdown. I recommended listening at 1.25x speed. Much more entertaining. Thank you.

[@SANTO-DOMINGO-1844]

Looking forward this presentation

[@TheGeorgelobo]

As a dominican I'm 54.8% of sub Saharan African DNA, 33.5% of European DNA, 6.3% of indigenous(taino) DNA, 5.2% of northern Africa ( Arabic) DNA proud of my diversity, proud of my culture, proud to be dominican🇩🇴

[@xtraprebel6274]

Good video I'm American btw. You made great points.

[@silvestrenet]

Un Material bastante interesante, cosas asi no son muy menudas que se encuentren en español.

[@PH7018c]

Visita el canal Historia con Patricio Lons para mas informacion sobre la hispanidad

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

There had been a considerable mixed race population in Haiti prior to the revolution. Most of them fled to other island and New Orleans where they joined the already existing creole population.

[@AntilleanFederation]

👇 The relative frequencies of European and African clades seem to be correlated with the type of colonial rule. In the British and French colonies, the segregation of slaves was stronger than in the Iberian territories, the interethnic marriages prohibited and no rights were recognized to children of parents of different ethnicity. Therefore, in the former British and French territories, the separation between the two main groups (i.e. European colonists and African slaves) was sharper and the admixture reduced.

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@AntilleanFederation I'm not refuting the fact that there was greater admixture in the Spanish colonies, but pointing out that there were significant mixed populations in the English and French colonies. The DR is an outlier because the colony was practically abandoned thus erasing the class system to a great degree. Very different profile from Cuba and PR.

[@AntilleanFederation]

@TRUTHTEACHER2007 the data is already there. There is no way around it. I'm not a newbie in this. The people I'm around deal with DNA, anthropology/archeology and linguistics. Studies clearly state former French and British colonies had the least admixture. This from 2017, and 2020. Gotta provide source/data.

[@astroprotector]

@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 less than 5 percent of Haitians have admixture. How is 5 percent significant?

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@astroprotector First of all, I'd suggest you take a basic Statistics class so that you understand what sample sets are and what they represent when applied to actual populations. Even if only 5% of the population is admixed, (and I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that you can't determine that just by looking at someone). In real numbers, that still represents thousands of people. Furthermore, a group doesn't have to have large numbers to make significant impacts on society. For example, there are a handful of individuals controlling our government to approve a genocide in Gaza, regardless of the fact that the majority of the population are opposed to it. But regardless of how many Haitians have Taino ancestry, the important ting is that at least some of them survived and were able to live on in their descendants. They were not exterminated. The colonizers didn't completely succeed in their genocide against our ancestors.

[@bienvenidos1010]

Is obvious in the Caribbean that the Spanish mixed in while the other European countries didn’t want to Mix their people.

[@i00u00ai]

Very informative, thanks, Im really interested to know about the African slaves brought in to Puerto Rico, like which countries/nations/tribes?

[@AntilleanFederation]

You can read through the second article from DNA perspective. And on Puerto Rico history get Economic History of Puerto Rico by James L. Dietz. He gives good info and data.

[@abes.4040]

Dominican here, and I am your typical mulatto Dominican from el barrio. My DNA is 26% sub Saharan mainly from Nigeria, 24% Iberian peninsula. The rest is middle East, north African, Finnish, american Indian.

[@Americanoviaja]

Dominicano here 💯🇩🇴 im half taino half mixed ✊🏽

[@robluv4592]

Wrong dominicaN not mullato Obama is. Stop saying falsehoods a dominicaN is multi racial multi ethnic. Never bi racial. Impossible.

[@johnnypacheco3491]

💯👍🏽

[@almairisbonilla5795]

Gracias es un complot con nuestro país y los Dominicanos nuestra historias la están cambiando y no lo vamos a permitir aunque nos cueste la muerte 💀 lucharemos por nuestra identidad, cultura, religión, idioma Dios ,Patria y Libertad 🙏🇩🇴🙏💪🇩🇴💪🇩🇴🥷🏻🇩🇴🥷🏻🇩🇴

[@johnbravo46]

All the Iberian Colonies basically created a complete new Ethnic/Race group. That's why us Dominicans don't just claim one race yet I will admit that there is a lot of ignorance among my people (Not wanting to embrace their African roots), that doesn't change the fact that we are indeed MIX and cannot identify with just one race, simply put we are DOMINICAN before anything else. America's race ideology is completely different from what most of the outside world has, specially in the rest of the Americas. You ask the whitest Dominican what they are and they'll say "I'm Dominican" you ask the blackest one and they also say "I'm Dominican", you literally wont get a Black & White answer.

[@AntilleanFederation]

The problem is anti Dominican rhetoric we receive from various mediums. No one should tell or police how dominicans should identify. Our idiosyncratic idenity is celebrated together. Alot of these problems we face stems from adopting 20th century north American racial ideals, which are not fundamentally Dominican nor does not define Dominicanidad. In the 21st century the Dominican man/woman must look past color and be balanced in rational thinking. As well as being grounded on what makes us Dominican. Using intelligence and proper prospective in the 21st century.

[@L.pDominicana]

It is one thing to accept that we have an African race and another thing is for you to say that you are totally African when we are not, we are a mixture in the same way I can say that I am Taíno OR that I am European

[@gutimegamix2543]

As a Dominican I learned were a mix of three races and culture mainly. But anyway I decided to make a DNA test and the was exactly that. It told me exactly what I am. 60- 30-10. That’s how is distributed in me. But configuration is different on my other brothers, because they have different skin tone than me. I’m the darkest one, btw.

[@egom1993]

Same here I’m 60-30-10. Proud to have black , proud to be Spanish and Taino !

[@gutimegamix2543]

@@egom1993 that's how I feel. I get alone easier with black, white and Latin people for other contries. I don't even like to talk about race. For me we're all human.

[@AntilleanFederation]

​@@gutimegamix2543 Dominicans are a distinctive ethnic group from the homo sapiens specie's. With a unique experience reflecting our evolution in the Spanish Speaking Caribbean. In my opinion it should be important for Dominicans to speak about race as long it is argued with intelligence and dignity. Race is particularly polarizing in the U.S. and other ethnic groups not well educated about our demographic show considerable anti Dominican rhetoric. The Dominican man/woman for this reason should be equally balanced and informed in the 21st century.

[@AntilleanFederation]

​@@egom1993idiosyncrasy 🇩🇴 🙏

[@gutimegamix2543]

I don't live in the US and I'm not interested either. The US is the racists country in the world. I wouldn't like my children living in that hostile enviornment where they stereotype the people and think they the biginning of all thing. DR is historically more important and interesting to me.

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

All of the islands are admixed. It's just a matter of degree and percentage of European or African male linages. None of them are pure. In Jamaica you find the highest admixture in the middle class because they're descended from African and Europeans who used them as a buffer class. Also, certain regions in Jamaica have higher percentages of admixture than others.

[@AntilleanFederation]

Source? 👇 The Taino maternal DNA is prominent in the ex-Spanish colonies (61.3%-22.0%) while it is basically non-existent in the ex-French and ex-English colonies of 👉Haiti (0.0%) and Jamaica (0.5%), respectively. The most abundant Native American mtDNA haplogroups in the Greater Antilles are A2, B2 and C1. The African mtDNA component is almost fixed in 👉Haiti (98.2%) and Jamaica (98.5%), and the frequencies of specific African haplogroups vary considerably among the five island nations. Former French and British colonies would have the least amount of admixture (2017,2020).

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@AntilleanFederation Okay. It's obvious that you're on the autism spectrum because you're fixated on the Taino thing when this comment wasn't addressing that at all. I said that all the Caribbean islands are admixed societies. I also said that in Jamaica you will find the overwhelming majority of admixed people in the middle class due to historical circumstances during the colonial period. Do you understand what my comment was saying now? I don't need a per revised study. All I need is to look in the mirror, look at my family and remember where I grew up. But since you asked for something, here you go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ2timtjlqtjo7M

[@xtraprebel6274]

​@AntilleanFederation this is pretty true, but Jamaica and even Haiti are more mixed with the Chinese, and maybe some Arabs a very little bit I would their indigenous is the same as the Arabs it's very small and only a minority of people. Also Jamaica has East Indians so some are mixed with them too.

[@xtraprebel6274]

​​​​@@AntilleanFederationAmerica, although it is a former British colony however is very different from Jamaica and other British territories. Early 13 colonies were very different in the 1600's than the 1700's and 1800's their weren't really as many restrictions on mixing, so it happened more early in the 13 colonies. Laws started to be on the books in the mid to very late 1600's and race mixing wasn't really banned till the 1700's and many people were already mixed by then. Mixed people in America weren't put above the black population so they had more mixing between mulattos and blacks here which is the reason why many Black Americans have mixed forefathers while this is less common in the British and French Caribbean area for the most part. In the Caribbean mixed people had more rights and were out above the black population and didn't really mix with them much at all. Even pale skinned Mulattos were conscious of their black ancestry while this was unheard of in the Caribbean. Black Americans have higher levels of European and Indigenous ancestry than other Black groups for the most part because of this. Our mulattos and multiracial populations mixed in with the black populations alot. We didn't really mix with white people that much that's why we don't have the level of European ancestry that Latinos due. Most of our European ancestry comes from multiracial and biracial people.

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@xtraprebel6274 The thing is that our numbers are much smaller because unlike Puerto Rico, once the British took over and imposed plantation slavery, the Taino population wasn't able to recover. So yes, it's rare to find a Jamaican with a Taino Maternal line, but not uncommon to find Jamaicans who do have Taino ancestry when you look at autosomal DNA. I'm basing what I'm saying off of looking at my relative matched on 23&me. A significant percentage of my relative matches consistently have Taino percentages. The highest I saw was 5%. On average, it's about 1% or less than 1%. But here's the other thing. Just because your DNA report doesn't give you a percentage for a particular ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean it's not there. For example, my dad doesn't have a marker for North Africa. Well. Actually he did, but then they took it away. But his brothers and sister have it. Actually it's Coptic Egyptian. I don't have a Taino percentage on the commercial companies, but on Ged Match on several of the calculators I do. The highest I got was 0.9%. So it's there. It's just so far back. The take away though is that some of them still managed to survive enough to live on in us and that means a lot to me. They still have descendants in us.

[@kemarromartin4486]

No matter which country we all come from I bet nobody can deny they’re not “𝐇𝐔𝐌𝐀𝐍 𝐁𝐄𝐈𝐍𝐆“ 😂😂😂 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐋𝐈𝐅𝐄 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫

[@AntilleanFederation]

I can tell by your response that you do not get speciation, human migrations and evolution. We are part of the homo sapiens tree, but we are differentiated with our demographic origins. And how we evolved as an ethnic group. This is an example of romanticism and being blue pilled.

[@mariafeliz9980]

The problem the big organims like, onu, core, International A. ect. are creating with all this crab of the race is because they want unification of the island. I feel embarrassed by all this, Dominicans never talk about race never before in live. We just live in peace in share whatever we had with we every vary. We had 5 or moore million of Haitian living in DR, so, where is the diferent that Dominican had wit them? Dominican is a resurgin of poverty country. We watch what going on in ahiti. Burning people alive, killing each other, destroying their contry, for pay, that's part of the agenda towar the unification. But that's never going to happen. Hatian had their culture and constitution just like Dominican had their own constitution too.. thanks for exposing the true. that no one is interested to hear or see. We just want peace the peace that we always had. ❤ 43:50

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

They should study the Maroons in Jamaica to see what percentage of Taino MTDNA is there. The reason being that the surviving Tainos and the Africans took to the hills to become the maroons.

[@AntilleanFederation]

Haplogroups A2 and B2 was found among only two Jamaican maroons if I'm not mistaken. Read that 2017 study linked in the description. DNA is already mapped out for the most part. Some Jamaican maroons have Taino ancestry. Depopulation events and population bottle necks in Jamaica. Those factor's render Taino ancestry practically minimal or non existent.

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@AntilleanFederation Yet a lot of Jamaicans do have Taino ancestry but in low percentages, usually under 5%. More commonly less than 1%. It didn't show up on my 23 or Ancestry reports, but shows up on most GED match calculators. Even though they may not have the MTDNA or Y linage it's in the mix. But the fact is that in the Spanish islands there was a greater chance of recovery due to the fact that Spain led them alone. Trinidad and a few of the Lesser Antilian islands still have intact populations while distinct enclaves are absent in all of the Greater Antillian islands.

[@AntilleanFederation]

@TRUTHTEACHER2007 provide a peer review study. Not all Jamaicans would be descendants of Taínos. Only two Jamaican maroons had the native haplogroups A2 and B2. Depopulation events in Jamaica could factor why it would be lower among the Jamaican maroons.

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@AntilleanFederation I'm not saying they are. Once again, the history explains why this is the way it is. The Spanish islands had a chance to recover somewhat from the onslaught of initial colonization. After gold was discovered in Mexico and Peru the mainland was the primary focus of the Spanish crown. This is why the British and French were able to obtain those territories. Plantation slavery required a massive labor force, thus the importation of more Africans. Just that alone is partially responsible for why the signatures of Taino DNA are so low. Depopulation is also another factor. The Spanish taking their Taino slaves with them. But also with the imposition of plantation slavery, the remaining Tainos who didn't escape would have died from being overworked. This is why it's only in the Lesser Antilles where the Natives didn't experience colonization till the 18th century that we find intact Native communities. Once again, the history alone explains why. So with the DNA, like I said, the massive amount of African importations in conjunction with the mentioned conditions are contributing factors. But the point I'm making is that just because a person didn't inherit a marker doesn't mean they don't have a particular ancestry. For example. My cousin is 92% European and 8% European. She has an African MTDNA. Now at 8%, how much of that DNA will be detectable in 3 or 4 generations? And what if her descendants have a boy thus interrupting the maternal linage? You'd look at the DNA and see a person with 100% European ancestry and most likely a European maternal and paternal haplogroup. You'd conclude that person has no African ancestry, but that wouldn't be the case now would it. I'm not saying the DNA is invalid. It gives us a lot of information. DNA can tell us a lot, but it can't always tell the full story.

[@zidane8452]

​@@TRUTHTEACHER2007I'm jamaican and what you saying is false. We do not have no taino ancestry. Less than 1% do so idk what you're talking about. We are pure black and proud

[@td4079]

The whole idea that Dominicans are black is a U.S. thing. We who were born in the U.S. ascribe to the one drop rule meaning if you have any % of African blood you are black. It comes from slavery in the U.S. Most black Americans are mixed race. I myself is 42% African but I still say that I am black. I think it’s just a cultural thing. I have many generations in the US starting from slavery so I go by this rule but I also understand what you are saying because what you say is FACTUALLY true versus what our culture has taught us.

[@alexskatit4188]

You guys need to get over your obsession with Haiti. Haiti and Haitians have always called their country THE BLACK REPUBLIC. So whatever discussion you have over race, you need to have it with black americans and others. We Haitians do not care how dominicans and others identify. There is no desire for Taino blood among Haitians. we are a black people and proud of it. Keep us out of your drama.

[@AntilleanFederation]

Your response is as silly as day and night. In this area of KZbin space is about science and logic. No obsession here. Haitians are included in the discussion because there is a lot they also get wrong. And there are Haitian people that do try and claim Taino ancestry. It's called being science illiterate.

[@alexskatit4188]

@@AntilleanFederation My comment seem to have triggered you. Haitians don't get anything wrong regarding their country. It's a black country and all Haitians are declared black according to Haiti's constitution. As for the few Haitians who claim Arawak (the word Taíno is not used in Haiti) blood, they are obviously uneducated Haitians who think it is a positive thing to have blood from a people that were so backward that they were so easily decimated. And yes, there are a few that are unfortunate enough to have inherited a little drop of the Arawak's genes. The whole world knows Haitians and Dominicans are different people of different races, different culture, different religion, different world views, so I don't know why the obsession. Your admiration for race mixing is not shared by Europeans, Asians, or proud blacks. Most races reject it.

[@Sammagoose]

Black American here and no thank you darling. I'm enjoying the research and got no BEEF with anyone. Toodles ~

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

???? You needed to do a DNA analysis to find this out?

[@AntilleanFederation]

What you talking about? I'm in the know. This is what I study. Yes. This needed to be done.

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@AntilleanFederation You know, there's these things called history books. I been knew this information way before DNA analysis was even a thing. It's a no brainer if you know the history.

[@AntilleanFederation]

@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 brah don't do that. That's being unscientific and reactionary. The DNA already mapped out no way around it.

[@air718nyc]

@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 youre in your feelings let it go

[@TRUTHTEACHER2007]

@@air718nyc I'm not in my feelings. I'm just stating facts. Given the history of the island the DNA findings shouldn't be a surprise. Like I said, I knew this before DNA was even available. To me this issue is like beating a dead horse. It just is what it is.

[@robluv4592]

Dominican are mixed Tainos Tainas. ..helloo. Mixed Arab mixed British Portuguese Italian French. All those euro who wanted live visit new world never left ...also African West Indian African & bi racial also now say there Dominicans

[@AntilleanFederation]

Read the articles linked in the description. There pretty good.

[@softdigital]

Los haitianos están emigrando ilegalmente todos al territorio de la Republica Dominicana y ahora dicen ellos que son dominicanos y los que no conocen la etnia dominicana afirman que son dominicanos todos los negros que ven en las calles de RD y que han entrado al país desde los últimos 20 años sin ningún status ni identificación legal, todos usan el mismo documento entre ellos para realizar transacciones.

[@AntilleanFederation]

Cubrí cómo comenzó el problema de los migrantes en la República Dominicana a principios del siglo XX. Un obstáculo importante como dominicanos tenemos un problema de conciencia colectiva y estamos divididos en este tema. Solucionar este problema y lograr que los dominicanos en el exterior estén en la misma página sería un paso a nuestro favor.

[@softdigital]

@@AntilleanFederation todos aquí sabemos que el problema lo empezó el comercio azucarero alojando grandes cantidades de haitianos en medio de los cañaverales en los batey; también, en las grandes fincas de ganados. Eso no es un secreto, porque esta en la historia del caribe. Los Africanos en la isla fueron traídos casi en su totalidad por Francia al lado haitiano y luego de la anexión con Haití muchos hicieron familia en la parte este como esta sucediendo hoy.

[@AntilleanFederation]

@@softdigital Hay muchos en el extranjero que no lo hacen debido a la retórica antidominicana a través de diversos medios. O quienes lo han malinterpretado debido a esto último. La realidad es que el problema empeoró hacia finales del siglo XIX y principios del siglo XX, un factor importante y porque no tenemos una conciencia colectiva (cuidado conmigo aquí). Lo que desembocó en la deuda creada a finales del siglo XIX. Tierras cedidas ilegalmente y posteriormente dos veces bajo presión extranjera. Extranjeros que abren las puertas que iniciaron ciclos de ilegales para trabajar en el territorio en primer lugar. Lo que me lleva de nuevo a mi respuesta anterior. Todos lo somos, mientras que a otros en el extranjero no les importa o les importa un bledo. Pero todavía tenemos un problema de conciencia colectiva que debe solucionarse. Lo dejaré así. Un argumento para una discusión futura.

[@softdigital]

@@AntilleanFederation Muy clara tu iniciativa, la respeto; espero que entendamos la realidad de la Republica Dominicana.

[@alexmejia3172]

los tainos cuando vieron los espanoles pensaron que eran dioses,,, me imagino que si hubieran visto los hatianos hubiesen pensado que los demonio se soltaron del infierno,,,,

[@Andrew-hk4dh]

En que libro de historia está descrito que ellos creían que los europeos eran dioses?

[@AntilleanFederation]

Response makes no sense. Taking an account from first contact interactions between the Spanish and the Tainos you cannot compare with the Haitians and I will explain why. There was no brutal plantation economy imposed by the French in Santo Domingo during the 15th and 16th centuries. By the time the people of Haiti were imported into the Western third by the French. The remaining Taínos were long hispanizied and admixed with the Spanish.

[@robluv4592]

10% Taino 40%. Taino same full human being just one is in 1550s. Other 1590s. That's all 😊

[@AntilleanFederation]

Taino 40%? Gotta provide a source. Otherwise it makes no sense at all. Arawaks by end 16th century were hispanizied and admixed.

[@robluv4592]

African is admixture not begging or end of dominicaNs racial growth... Most Dominican ancestor is tainA / white guy .

[@AntilleanFederation]

Read the studies in the description because I can tell you don't know what your talking about.

[@robluv4592]

@@AntilleanFederation I did my DNA 1% Scottish them that Scottish mixed Italian. After they mixed with TainA then African biracial ...African not our ancestors just admixture along the way. .

[@robluv4592]

@@AntilleanFederation all blacks from Australia Africa. Dr began Spain TainA mestizo to tri racial to multi racial to modern Dominican .

[@robluv4592]

@@AntilleanFederation we are not Africa. Lightened up were Tainos mixed

[@robluv4592]

@@AntilleanFederation there goal too Africanize dominicaN by liberals afro Americans Haitian so studies are lies by woke crowd

[@robluv4592]

Buddy u got one thing wrong u reading DNA wrong 2%. 5%. 30%. Taino. Is no difference lol it's how far back . Dominican are first so tainO. No less just further back..glad help u

[@AntilleanFederation]

What? Lol. This does not help and makes no sense. Read the studies linked in the description.

[@robluv4592]

@@AntilleanFederation we are not bottle of soft drink. ..2% full human being family aunts uncles relatives no difrence than 30% wake up

[@robluv4592]

Before African came dominicaN were Taino whites mestizo population .

[@AntilleanFederation]

​@@robluv4592your responses are all over the place. Read the studies linked in the description.

[@softdigital]

informacion erronea, la poblacion dominicana fue el 45 % blancos de España, 15% Taina, 20% Africanos , 10 % Ingleses y Franceses; 10% otros grupos.

[@AntilleanFederation]

Datos desactualizados. Consulte los estudios recientes de 2017 y 2020 vinculados en la descripción.

[@fidelinachireno2716]

Just check your DNA. It may prove you wrong

[@softdigital]

@@AntilleanFederation si claro, posiblemente realizado por la ONU o por un ciudadano de haiti que vive en otro pais.

[@AntilleanFederation]

​@@softdigital negative these studies were carried out by geneticists.

[@F.U.B.A.H.O.R]

This is how economic works. Just because you sell apples does not mean i have to buy your apples. If i want to i can go and buy the apples from someone else. I have the freedom to take my business elsewhere. Therefore France, the US, Canada and any other country have the freedom to buy whatever haiti produced from other countries and leave haiti to itself.

[@AntilleanFederation]

www.researchgate.net/publication/326804213_Haiti_A_Political_Economy_Analysis

[@F.U.B.A.H.O.R]

Haitians did have the opportunity to mixed and be mixed people like all Hispanics. You must not know about Dessalines order to massacre everybody in haiti that was not black or black enough to pass as black. There where many French in haiti at that time and probably a small amount of Tainos left. But because of Dessaline nothing survived.

[@AntilleanFederation]

The Taino maternal DNA is prominent in the ex-Spanish colonies (61.3%-22.0%) while it is basically non-existent in the ex-French and ex-English colonies of 👉Haiti (0.0%) and Jamaica (0.5%), respectively. The most abundant Native American mtDNA haplogroups in the Greater Antilles are A2, B2 and C1. The African mtDNA component is almost fixed in 👉Haiti (98.2%) and Jamaica (98.5%), and the frequencies of specific African haplogroups vary considerably among the five island nations.

[@AntilleanFederation]

The relative frequencies of European and African clades seem to be correlated with the type of colonial rule. In the British and French colonies, the segregation of slaves was stronger than in the Iberian territories, the interethnic marriages prohibited and no rights were recognized to children of parents of different ethnicity. Therefore, in the former British and French territories, the separation between the two main groups (i.e. European colonists and African slaves) was sharper and the admixture reduced.

[@AntilleanFederation]

The people did not have the opportunity because when they arrived there were no more Arawaks on the Western third of the island. In the 18th century the Tainos were already hispanizied and we're already admixed with the Spanish. Now in the case of Dessalines who took out the remaining French Western Europeans in Saint Domingue. Which is documented in history as well in the recent DNA studies cited here.

[@F.U.B.A.H.O.R]

@@AntilleanFederation Yes. Read about Dessaline. He ordered the massacre of everyone in haiti that wasn't black. There where many non combatant French people in haiti after they freed themselves. There where some Tainos and light skin Taino mixed too. But Dessaline ordered their deaths.

[@F.U.B.A.H.O.R]

@@AntilleanFederation There where Tainos that escaped the spanish and ran to the mountains to the west, to haiti. But both the French and the haitians after freeing themselves executed them for total power.