Is this the same Phoenix Moon from the final battle pages on FB!?

@@AntilleanFederation nope

I can tell by your response you are uninformed. I don't need to reach out. Higuayagua for your information was formed in Jorge house with: Jorge, myself, Luis Ramos and Mercedes Garcia. Jorge is not about formal scientific discussions. Jorge will block and delete anyone who opposes or contradicts his stands/views. Hiwatahia is not relexified Arawak. Jorge did not learn a Arawak language (Garifuna and lokojañ) to learn how Arawak rules work. You cannot put new language together based on Arawakan principles with learning a language primarily. Jorge is just like me a fellow Dominican (both of us having no PhD in linguists nor anthropology) that have interest in investigating and contrasting. The video brings to attention and on going problem in the Taino community. Too much emphasis on dress up and less on objective reasoning. Jorge still has not answered my questions: 👇 Can Jorge speak Garifuna or lokojañ? 👇 Can any of his associates speak Garifuna or lokojañ? I have made clear what should have been course of action was to learn from native garifuna and Lokono speakers, and take a few year's on learning how use there language. This what myself and Jerry Roman have been doing. Learning how to speak and apply rules from both Garifuna language and Lokojañ from the Garifuna and Lokono communities. This is not in any way appropriation. As Jorge continues to assert. On learning these languages we slowly learn how to apply the rules with words we have and that are consistent within island Arawak. Your response is subjective.

@@AntilleanFederation how is that not appropriation, though? According to Britannica, "Garífuna language, an Arawakan language spoken by approximately 190,000 people in Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua, and also by many who have emigrated to the United States. The language’s presence in Central America is relatively recent. African slaves mingled with the Caribs of Saint Vincent and Dominica, and a new ethnic group, the Garífuna, emerged." This language is arawakan, yes. But like this source and many others say it does not originate in places like Puerto Rico, Cuba, or the Dominican Republic. The same with Lokono. You said it yourself, you don't need to reach out. Jorge on the other hand has said that Hiwatahia is backed by scholars and linguists, do you have any source to say otherwise other than picking a fight with him? Have you reached out to other taino groups in Puerto Rico, Cuba, The Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica on their thoughts? Or is this just a podcast between two college kids on summer break?

@phi1105 👇 BEAST: Bayesian Evolutionary Analysis of Sample Trees 2011: Bayesian phylogeography of the Arawak expansion in lowland South America: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21247954/_2011_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49767806_Bayesian_Phylogeography_of_the_Arawak_Expansion_in_Lowland_South_America_Robert S. Walker, Lincoln A. Roberio Pic: 1-4 1. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 2. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 3. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 4. Maximum clade credibility tree- Arawakan Expansion: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno Seven years later still supported using BEAST 2018: www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Caribbean-Northern-Arawak-Person-Marking-and-a-and-Star/66a0138d69f7c986adfef8fb83e122b28e701f65_by Tammy Elizabeth Starks Pic: 5-8 5. BEAST vs Tyler and Rouse 6. Proposed structure for Carribean Northern Arawak. This is sourced from Ribeiro and Walker within Tammy Elizabeth Starks's work 7. Syntax argument. Key term: processing load 8. Garifuna is Taíno closest relative Pic:9 9. Sub grouping by Akeihvald: Garifuna marked as only Carribean/ Antilles language Daka is a Free pronoun? : Dios naboria DAKA I am a servant of God Mayani makana, Juan Disquevil DAKA Don't kill me, I am Juan Disquevil These are examples of FREE pronouns. But naboria is an example of a bond 1st person singular promotional within the spoken language. Nitaino, naboria, nitu, nanichi My family, my worker, my sister, my heart QUESTION: Can this be the reason why the Carib replacement of daka/nukuya/Nokia was replaced so easily with AO?

@@AntilleanFederation Answer my questions. Don't copy paste shit you've sent everyone else, did you even read my comment? This only proves my point that you're unwilling to listen to others. Like you just said, Garifuna is Tainos closest relative. RELATIVE. They're not the same, are they?

@phi1105 Places like Puerto Rico the Dominican Republic and Cuba were hispanizied by the end of the 16th century. And adopted a Hispanic culture evolving on the Spanish Antilles. We are not the Taínos of yesterday. In the Circum Caribbean Garifuna is the only island Arawak language spoken. Taking the Garifuna language and calling it something else that is appropriating. Taking lokojañ and calling it something else that is appropriating. Learning how to apply Arawak principles is not appropriating. Examples: Nitaino - our recorded Taino word. Garinagu use today niduheñu. Taino, Kalinago and Garifuna all have the near future ba. As i. Weiba wubián we are going to our home. Okamatibu? Do you understand? Sounds like you do not understand how to apply objective reasoning and science.

I have commented on one your videos a while back. Hiwatahia is nothing close to island Arawak. It's mainland Arawak applied English. BEAST: Closet to speaking Taino if the Garifuna language. We have Ruben Rayes and Milton Guity on record stating that Taino community can recall there language through Garifuna. So Jorge is incorrect on workshop is like an avenue and East workshop is like an avenue and appropriation. Jorge doesn't even know how to apply the most basic thing: personal pronouns. Examples: Arike - see Taino Arika - see Kalinago Today Garifuna use Ariha to see. Arikebana - I see you Taino Kalinago and Garifuna all have the near future ba. Weiba wubián - were going to our home. Thank you in island Arawak is hahõ/hahom. Why disregard this island Arawak word in place of mainland Arawak word? We should not omit word's we already have in place of another word. Hahõnaba - I thank you (literally looking at the person) Okamatibu? Do you understand?

👇 BEAST: Bayesian Evolutionary Analysis of Sample Trees 2011: Bayesian phylogeography of the Arawak expansion in lowland South America: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21247954/_2011_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49767806_Bayesian_Phylogeography_of_the_Arawak_Expansion_in_Lowland_South_America_Robert S. Walker, Lincoln A. Roberio Pic: 1-4 1. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 2. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 3. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 4. Maximum clade credibility tree- Arawakan Expansion: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno Seven years later still supported using BEAST 2018: www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Caribbean-Northern-Arawak-Person-Marking-and-a-and-Star/66a0138d69f7c986adfef8fb83e122b28e701f65_by Tammy Elizabeth Starks Pic: 5-8 5. BEAST vs Tyler and Rouse 6. Proposed structure for Carribean Northern Arawak. This is sourced from Ribeiro and Walker within Tammy Elizabeth Starks's work 7. Syntax argument. Key term: processing load 8. Garifuna is Taíno closest relative Pic:9 9. Sub grouping by Akeihvald: Garifuna marked as only Carribean/ Antilles language Daka is a Free pronoun? : Dios naboria DAKA I am a servant of God Mayani makana, Juan Disquevil DAKA Don't kill me, I am Juan Disquevil These are examples of FREE pronouns. But naboria is an example of a bond 1st person singular promotional within the spoken language. Nitaino, naboria, nitu, nanichi My family, my worker, my sister, my heart QUESTION: Can this be the reason why the Carib replacement of daka/nukuya/Nokia was replaced so easily with AO?

@@AntilleanFederation you can copy and paste whatever you decided you want to believe. I personally don’t mind. Folks like to have this purity complex regarding Taíno culture as if we’re all supposed to live exactly the same way the ancestors did in this modern world that we’re forced to live in. So I will say it again: any one who doesn’t want to learn it doesn’t have to. Simple as that. ✌️

Hiwatahia is not based on Arawak rules. Jorge never bothered to learn Arawak. That includes Garifuna and also Lokojañ. Jorge also does not know how to apply personal pronouns in Arawak. Let me give you some examples: Hahõ - thank you Hahõnaba - I thank you Arike - see (Taino) Arika - see (Kalinago) Garifuna today use Ariha - see Arikebana - do you see me? We have nitaino. Garifuna today use Niduheñu. Taino Kalinago and Garifuna have the near future ba. Jorge is going to substitute what we already have for something else? Weiba - May we go? (Taino, Kalinago, Garifuna) Okamatibu? Do you understand?

Please read 👇 BEAST: Bayesian Evolutionary Analysis of Sample Trees 2011: Bayesian phylogeography of the Arawak expansion in lowland South America: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21247954/_2011_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49767806_Bayesian_Phylogeography_of_the_Arawak_Expansion_in_Lowland_South_America_Robert S. Walker, Lincoln A. Roberio Pic: 1-4 1. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 2. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 3. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 4. Maximum clade credibility tree- Arawakan Expansion: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno Seven years later still supported using BEAST 2018: www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Caribbean-Northern-Arawak-Person-Marking-and-a-and-Star/66a0138d69f7c986adfef8fb83e122b28e701f65_by Tammy Elizabeth Starks Pic: 5-8 5. BEAST vs Tyler and Rouse 6. Proposed structure for Carribean Northern Arawak. This is sourced from Ribeiro and Walker within Tammy Elizabeth Starks's work 7. Syntax argument. Key term: processing load 8. Garifuna is Taíno closest relative Pic:9 9. Sub grouping by Akeihvald: Garifuna marked as only Carribean/ Antilles language Daka is a Free pronoun? : Dios naboria DAKA I am a servant of God Mayani makana, Juan Disquevil DAKA Don't kill me, I am Juan Disquevil These are examples of FREE pronouns. But naboria is an example of a bond 1st person singular promotional within the spoken language. Nitaino, naboria, nitu, nanichi My family, my worker, my sister, my heart QUESTION: Can this be the reason why the Carib replacement of daka/nukuya/Nokia was replaced so easily with AO?

Garifuna is not an African language as Jorge Estevez thinks. The African influence through nosielization (pardon if I spelled it wrong) is minimal. On top of only having two African loan words. The rest is Arawakan and Cariban. The Garifuna today also still use many Kalinago words. The most recent Studies Garifuna is the closest to speaking Taino. Jorge Estevez never studied a language (Garifuna and Lokojañ). How is he gonna put a language together if he never studied or took time to learn how Arawak rules work? Jorge says we appropriate Arawak. Garifuna teachers Milton Guity and Ruben Rates have told us we can use Garifuna as it's also ours and for Taino community to reclaim. Examples: Nitaino - Taino Garifuna today say niduheñu. Taino Kalinago and Garifuna all have near future ba. Jorge is going to disregard what we have and substitute it for something else? Weiba - May we go? (Taino, Kalinago and Garifuna) Okamatibu? Do you understand?

Arikoma'bu does not mean thank you. In island Arawak hahõ is the word for thank you. Hahõnaba - I thank you Ariko looks like our Taino word Arike to see. Kalinago uses Arika to see. Today garifuna uses ariha to see.

Hiwatahia is not the language of the Taínos of yesterday. It's not even based on Arawak rules. He created the language result of falling out with me and Jerry Roman out of ego. Examples: Nitaino - Taino Garifuna use today niduheñu Taino kalinago and Garifuna have the near future ba. So Jorge going to ignore what we already and substitute it with something use that's non Arawak? Taino, kalinago and Garifuna has: Weiba - May we go? Okamatibu? Do you understand? Jorge does not know how to apply personal pronouns to Taino words. We however do.

Anxihi (anshihi) is lokojañ not Taino. That's a form of appropriating. Jorge changing mainland Arawak words to promote them as being island Arawak. Changing and substituting words we already have. Your response shows you a apart of a Cult. Let me give quick examples: Arikoma'bu - this does not mean thank you. Arikoma looks like our Taino word Arike to see. Kalinago use arika. Garifuna today use Ariha. Arikebana - do you see me? Hahõ - means thank you. Hahõnaba - I thank you Okamatibu? Do you understand?

My self and Jerry Roman already showed the data and sources for years and FOR FREE. what's recorded as being taino language is both Ta and Nu Arawak. Jorge has also stated this on the Ta bohío page. Examples: Nitaino - Nu Arawak Today the garifuna use Niduheñu. In Arawak the words ita, iti and irai means blood. In Taino we also have the near future ba like in Garifuna and Kalinago. Taino has Arike - see Kalinago has arika - see Today garifuna use ariha - to see. You can text me your email on Facebook and I can forward my spreadsheet which I always give away for free to the community. You are responding to a subject you know nothing about.

👇 BEAST: Bayesian Evolutionary Analysis of Sample Trees 2011: Bayesian phylogeography of the Arawak expansion in lowland South America: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21247954/_2011_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49767806_Bayesian_Phylogeography_of_the_Arawak_Expansion_in_Lowland_South_America_Robert S. Walker, Lincoln A. Roberio Pic: 1-4 1. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 2. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 3. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 4. Maximum clade credibility tree- Arawakan Expansion: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno Seven years later still supported using BEAST 2018: www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Caribbean-Northern-Arawak-Person-Marking-and-a-and-Star/66a0138d69f7c986adfef8fb83e122b28e701f65_by Tammy Elizabeth Starks Pic: 5-8 5. BEAST vs Tyler and Rouse 6. Proposed structure for Carribean Northern Arawak. This is sourced from Ribeiro and Walker within Tammy Elizabeth Starks's work 7. Syntax argument. Key term: processing load 8. Garifuna is Taíno closest relative Pic:9 9. Sub grouping by Akeihvald: Garifuna marked as only Carribean/ Antilles language Daka is a Free pronoun? : Dios naboria DAKA I am a servant of God Mayani makana, Juan Disquevil DAKA Don't kill me, I am Juan Disquevil These are examples of FREE pronouns. But naboria is an example of a bond 1st person singular promotional within the spoken language. Nitaino, naboria, nitu, nanichi My family, my worker, my sister, my heart QUESTION: Can this be the reason why the Carib replacement of daka/nukuya/Nokia was replaced so easily with AO? Please read.

And you won’t know what I know how dare you think that I would comment on a subject I know nothing about. So mud slinging is your move. Right

@zoilakinney9264 👇 The clade labeled TA-Arawak is so called because it groups together those members of Caribbean Northern Arawak that exhibit some form of ta or da as the marker for first person singular, either as bound, prefixal agreement morphology, or as the first two sounds of the free first person singular pronoun. In all other Arawak languages, the bound and free first person singular marker is nV. 👇 This form for first person is so widespread that it has been used as a diagnostic for determining Arawak family membership. 👇 However, we find that the form of the first person prefix for Taino is n*-(Nitaino: ita, iti,irai=blood), bringing its prefixal pronominal system into line with Garifuna and Island Carib, rather than with TA-Arawak for this part of the pronominal system. 👇 Comparing Tables 1.3 and 1.4, it is observed that while limited data is available for Taino, the colonial-era word lists sourced for this work include both the bound first person marker ni- (von Martius, 1867), and the free pronoun daka (de Goeje, 1939), a fact that appears to have been previously overlooked in discussions of sub-grouping for these languages, but one that is of crucial importance for an empirically based understanding of branching within this subgroup, precisely because so much has been made of the first person morpheme in Caribbean Northern Arawak internal sub-grouping. 👇 The morphological facts of the Taino pronominal system suggest that proto-CNA exhibited at least a bound first person pronoun nV-, and a free first person pronoun beginning with the phonological sequence da-/ta. Since nV- is the form for first person singular in the wider Arawak language family, its attestation in Taino and Garifuna must be due to inheritance from an ancestral language rather than an innovation, and if proto-Garifuna-Taino inherited this form, it must have inherited it from proto-CNA. Given that Garifuna and Taino form a subgroup to the exclusion of Lokono, A˜nun, and Way´uu in the lexical analysis presented here, I argue that proto-CNA must have also exhibited a free pronoun beginning with some form of da/ta that underwent lexical replacement in Garifuna. 👇 Proto-CNA exhibited both the free pronominal form ta and the bound form nV, as Taino clearly did, then the presence of a pronominal form ta in Taino is not evidence for a TA-Arawak subgroup that excludes Garifuna and Island Carib because there was no replacement of nV in the bound pronominal system in Taino. 👆 👇 The fact that Taino exhibited a first person pronoun daka does not provide evidence that the language is more closely related Lokono-Way´uu-A˜nun than it is to Garifuna. 👇 A possible explanation for the lack of a ta-form pronoun in Garifuna is that the Cariban form completely replaced the free first person pronoun at some stage of pre-Garifuna-Island Carib, and the feminine speech first person pronoun developed later from the bound first person pronoun and some available deictic morphology in the language.6 This suggests a possible analysis where the ancestor language of Garifuna and Island Carib exhibited a bound pronominal form nV-, and a free pronoun based on ta, and just the free form underwent lexical replacement by the Cariban form au, fitting into a system that already existed, and not creating a new pronominal distinction. 👇 A reexamination of colonial-era wordlists for Taino revealed that the language exhibited both the first person pronoun daka, and the first person prefix ni- calling into question classifications of the family based solely on the phonological shape of the first person marker.

Well were is this wealth of freely available information located?

👇 BEAST: Bayesian Evolutionary Analysis of Sample Trees 2011: Bayesian phylogeography of the Arawak expansion in lowland South America: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21247954/_2011_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49767806_Bayesian_Phylogeography_of_the_Arawak_Expansion_in_Lowland_South_America_Robert S. Walker, Lincoln A. Roberio Pic: 1-4 1. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 2. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 3. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 4. Maximum clade credibility tree- Arawakan Expansion: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno Seven years later still supported using BEAST 2018: www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Caribbean-Northern-Arawak-Person-Marking-and-a-and-Star/66a0138d69f7c986adfef8fb83e122b28e701f65_by Tammy Elizabeth Starks Pic: 5-8 5. BEAST vs Tyler and Rouse 6. Proposed structure for Carribean Northern Arawak. This is sourced from Ribeiro and Walker within Tammy Elizabeth Starks's work 7. Syntax argument. Key term: processing load 8. Garifuna is Taíno closest relative Pic:9 9. Sub grouping by Akeihvald: Garifuna marked as only Carribean/ Antilles language Daka is a Free pronoun? : Dios naboria DAKA I am a servant of God Mayani makana, Juan Disquevil DAKA Don't kill me, I am Juan Disquevil These are examples of FREE pronouns. But naboria is an example of a bond 1st person singular promotional within the spoken language. Nitaino, naboria, nitu, nanichi My family, my worker, my sister, my heart QUESTION: Can this be the reason why the Carib replacement of daka/nukuya/Nokia was replaced so easily with AO?

@Deiiiiion your response shows how reactionary you are and are clueless to what was discussed. And sad that he has his followers responding rather than address me directly. Jorge knows everything I stated is factual. The reality is Jorge turned into a Cult leader. The language he created is nothing near island Arawak. And set the community behind 25 years. Yes I said it. Okamatibu?

👇 BEAST: Bayesian Evolutionary Analysis of Sample Trees 2011: Bayesian phylogeography of the Arawak expansion in lowland South America: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21247954/_2011_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49767806_Bayesian_Phylogeography_of_the_Arawak_Expansion_in_Lowland_South_America_Robert S. Walker, Lincoln A. Roberio Pic: 1-4 1. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 2. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 3. Neighbor-Net analysis of Arawakan basic vocabulary: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno 4. Maximum clade credibility tree- Arawakan Expansion: sub grouping Island Carib, Garifuna, Taíno Seven years later still supported using BEAST 2018: www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Caribbean-Northern-Arawak-Person-Marking-and-a-and-Star/66a0138d69f7c986adfef8fb83e122b28e701f65_by Tammy Elizabeth Starks Pic: 5-8 5. BEAST vs Tyler and Rouse 6. Proposed structure for Carribean Northern Arawak. This is sourced from Ribeiro and Walker within Tammy Elizabeth Starks's work 7. Syntax argument. Key term: processing load 8. Garifuna is Taíno closest relative Pic:9 9. Sub grouping by Akeihvald: Garifuna marked as only Carribean/ Antilles language Daka is a Free pronoun? : Dios naboria DAKA I am a servant of God Mayani makana, Juan Disquevil DAKA Don't kill me, I am Juan Disquevil These are examples of FREE pronouns. But naboria is an example of a bond 1st person singular promotional within the spoken language. Nitaino, naboria, nitu, nanichi My family, my worker, my sister, my heart QUESTION: Can this be the reason why the Carib replacement of daka/nukuya/Nokia was replaced so easily with AO?

@@AntilleanFederation hes already responded directly to you. You’re the one who cant accept he give full transparency on everything he does. You’re the one whos clueless here and you and others who make the same tired narratives to discredit him

@@Deiiiiion why are you so emotional. Jorge can't handle the truth so he sends people such as yourself to troll. How do you know what Jorge says is valid? Did you bother to study Arawakan languages for yourself? Or do you take everything he says with a grain of salt? Or don't question his methodology? Nitaino - nu Arawak Today garifuna uses niduheñu. Taino, kalinago and Garifuna today all have the near future ba, as in weiba may we go? Taino has arike - see Kalinago has arika - see Garifuna uses today ariha - see Here are the use of personal pronouns in island Arawak: Arikenaba - I see you Weiba wubián - were going to our home Nahiyuba luma narokoti - I will speak with my grandfather Okamatibu? Do you understand? Jorge doesn't know how to use personal pronouns in Garifuna or lokojañ. I said the Truth. You have learn a language and study Arawak rules FIRST. BY you responding to me. I know he is super triggered. As I stated to him. He could have been the man but instead he decided to be a pseudo-mite and a cult leader. For you and other from his group to comment I know I did my job. 👊

@robertbanks6960 looks like you do not understand population genetics and speciation. Culture is a reflection of genetics and evolution. Dominicans are not the same as the AA ethnic group. 70% of Dominicans have European and North African ancestry (2020). Which shows that 70% of Europeans and North Africans in the Dominican population had reproductive success. Post contact in Spanish speaking Caribbean Puerto Ricans, Dominicans and Cubans are descendants of Taínos. In the Spanish speaking Caribbean only Dominicans retain Taino ancestry from both maternal and paternal sides. Spain abandoning the colony for three centuries gave rise to the Dominican identity, idiosyncratic in nature. Our culture and idenity is a reflection of 500 plus years of evolution on the island.

@codyclark5995 AA arrived into the Americas via post contact. AA ethnic group as well as the Haitian ethnic group as similar being L haplogroup and E1B1. Dominicans on the other are very admixed (2017,2020). This channel mainly addresses the Caribbean before European arrival (archaic groups and Arawaks in Caribbean), gave rise to their descendants Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans. Second. Black as an ethnic marker is mainly associated with Black Americans since the 20th century with the one drop rule. Dominicans do not use color as an ethnic marker. Our ethnic marker is Dominicanidad. 70% of DOMINICANS have European and North African ancestry. Meaning 70% of Europeans and North Africans had reproductive success within the Dominican population. Showing once again response makes no sense and you know nothing about the Dominican identity.

@scintkapolska5598 this is the dumbest response I have seen. Asian countries unlike here in the U.S. are not influenced by western constructs for ethnic groups. China, Japan, South Korea, Singapore do not see color as an Ethnic marker! This lame. Let me remind you I'm pro wrestler and I have a lot of Asian friends and none of them see me as Black. They see me as Dominican. Next. ✌️

I don't hate dominican btw, i don't have the enèji. but this is just what I have noticed from them.

Terms negro/negrito/Moreno/rubia etc are endearment terms. Being Dominican is an idiosyncratic identity. Dominicans do not identify by color. Dominicans do not like ethno centrics for reason of telling us how we should identify. Beef between Dominicans and the Haitian ethnic group is rooted in social and economic implications. Evidence of this is in two of our historical manifestos. The people of Haiti are an afro Franco ethnic group who were imported by the French during the 18th century. The people of Haiti maternally L haplogroup and paternally E1B1 are African people with minimal European admixture. Dominican people do not need outsiders to tell them how to identify.

@AntilleanFederation where does the phrase "mejorar la raza" come from and why do dominikèn say it. Explain bro, because in creole have no equivalent for this.

​@@mixtapemania6769Haitian people are the Original Indigenous people just like most Black Americans. The only difference is the culture and forced European language.

@@c4tmh133 Stop it, we Haitian don't subscribe to this American idea of being indigenous people. We claim African descent and nothing else, maybe a little white. But we have very little indigenous blood, the Spanish wipe them out.

Then what is everyone? Society classifies everyone thru the lens of Black and White unfortunely, so if that is true what you said then no one is actually White either in the sense that they refer to themselves. People see each other FIRST by the color of the skin, then they try to match up the skin to the ethnicity then the culture. So your statement is wrong. There are so called Black people and White people and so on down the chain.

@parisparchment-we7pq ethnic classification by skin color has been since 20th century an North American phenomenon. This ties in to the one drop rule which is outdated and racist to the latter. Color and ethnicity has been tied closely to the history of the United States, especially with people of African American descent. Outside of the United States and the Western world groups outside do not equate identity and nationality on the basis of the color of someone's skin. People of Hispanic descent identify with where they reside in place of skin color. For Dominicans these examples would be Dominicano/na, Quisqueyano, cibaeño/ña, etc. These are ethnic classifications for the Dominican people. Ethnic classifications for Dominicans on the basis of color came by way of Americans during the early 20th century. By this time Dominicans already had their ethnic classifications well established. As ours reflects 500 plus year evolution on the island as a young ethnic group.

@Baman21 their comparison is very ethno centric in nature. It's not that complicated. Being Dominican is an idiosyncratic idenity. Color as a ethnic marker does not apply to Dominicans.

@@AntilleanFederation There is no Dominican box on the census in America....they check something. What do they check?

@Baman21 why are you so obsessed with Dominicans?🤔 We have a idiosyncratic idenity with a Hispanic culture that evolved on the island. Period. What's so difficult to comprehend?

​@@AntilleanFederationwhy make a video and a statement if you don't want anyone talking about it. I never denied that Dominicans have a specific ethnicity or identity. I don't know why your silly video was on my feed....lol say less

@Baman21 the problem is with ethno centrics as yourself. Who refuse to respect the Dominican people and their identity. And comparing us to your identity and culture. Knowing very well we are not the same. As you see. Your response shows me that you are reactionary and low in consciousness. The presentation is pretty clear. You just refuse to get the picture. Such an irrational response. I expected better.

Seremein niduhei. Wani arufudahati garinagu liri Milton Guity. Agambatina musun garifuna.

@Jerry-er6gn can you elaborate a little further?🤔 Your response in regards makes no sense at all.

​@AntilleanFederation bra u a typical NYC Dominican or Puerto Rican bc most of yall out their racist I already know lol. But my cousins in cali Puerto Rican some of mixed but nigga we know our roots better than u. Self hatred is deep and my brotha u hate ur self I'm sorry if a dark skinned robbed u or beat u up it's OK bro it's time to forgive 💯

@skssuccess75 no. It does not apply. Black Americans in the U.S. have experiences that set them apart from Caribbean Hispanics. Watch Tomas Sowell. Dominicans are a Hispanic ethnic group in the Spanish speaking Caribbean with an idiosyncratic identity and Hispanic culture that evolved on the island.

@@AntilleanFederation Could you explain further? How is having different experiences relevant to your social classification? Would you called Haitians non-Black since they're part of the Latino community and speak a latin base language? Is being latino vs. hispanic totally different?

@skssuccess75 Haitian people are not an Hispanic diaspora. They are an afro-franco ethnic group. They speak French and Haitian Creole. They were imported into the island of Hispaniola by the French during the 18th century for their plantation economy. Latino and Hispanic are interchangeable for someone who is from any of the Latin American countries. Speaking for Spanish speaking Caribbean Dominicans are a Latin/Hispanic American ethnic group with a Hispanic culture that evolved on the island (via post contact). Would modern Egyptians and Moroccans identify as being black? The answer is no. They have their own culture and ethnic identity for which they identify with. Outside of the U.S. various ethnic groups do not identify with black (black being synonymous with the color of your skin). As that is a North American cultural identification mainly with Black Americans.

@@AntilleanFederation Ok... I don't know where you're located, but I'm in California and a classification in regard to racial/ethnic group was added between 10 to 15 years ago. There's Black (American decent) then there is another category called Black of Latin/Hispanic decent. This social class was based off of American policies in regard to the Census. I know of Africans who would be considered Black here in the U.S. who didn't regard themselves as Black in the own countries. They went by their nationalities as well as their ethnic groups (Fulani, Ibo, Hausa, etc. ) Also in recorded history there were Spanish Conquistadors like Juan Garrido, Pedro Alonzo Nino, Estevanico who went by their nationalities but in today's U.S.A. would be considered Black. I don't fully be in the African Transatlantic slave trade as it was taught to us. I believe there were already so-called "Black" people here in the "New World" and the so-called "Black" Europeans who were considered Moors back then were being kicked out of Spain and other places in European during the Spanish Inquisition came here. What would be considered so-called "White" Europeans didn't start coming in droves until the mid 1850's and started mixing with the different local populations.

@skssuccess75 ethic idenity based on the color of your skin is a North American phenomenon (Mainly in the United States). As I already explained outside of the United States no one uses this identification unless they are of afrocentric perspective. The video you are commenting is in regards to the ethnic identity of the Dominican people who do not use color as an ethnic marker nor as an identification. Our history is different from Black Americans. We did not have Jim Crow, Black Codes, etc. Spanish stop importing enslaved African people by the end of the 16th century. Spain also abandoned the Spanish colony for three centuries. People of African descent also did not arrive to the Americas until post 1492. That is the 1500s and up. There is no evidence whatsoever of people of African descent in the Americas before Columbus. That has been debunked. Watch Cheif X on KZbin.

It's more realistic to respect other people's ethic idenity and culture. With an understanding that each ethnic group in the global community has a unique demographic history that reflects their history as a people. I do not believe in victimization. Stay grounded in science and anthropology.

Here we cover about Arawaks/Tainos. The indigenous inhabitants of the Caribbean did not have beards or body hair. Arawaks are not Israelites. We know more today because of advancement in science, DNA and also the archeological record. Please take your pseudo science elsewhere.

Would have to add deportation of all illegals to the conversion. Respectfully. It's not a simple fix. As that would cause an outrage from the international community.

What diplomatic relations? Haiti doesn’t even have a government. Borders are not that simple to close, and you can’t completely seal them from everyone. And first you would have to convince the big construction companies that they shouldn’t hire illegal immigrants, and at the same time avoiding a sudden inflation of housing costs.

Just seeing this comment will respond. all the best.

@ParteraQuisqueyana sorry for the late response. I don't always see the notifications on KZbin. And I like to take time to respond to my followers. As I stated in my PowerPoint the migrant problem began in the early 20th century by way North Americans who took advantage of instabilities of time. And creating the bilateral contracts, paving the way for the current situation. Second. Through science and evolution Haiti chaos is a reflection lack of time to develop. Many cultures that flourish had time to develop and grow. Between 1791 and 1804 that was not enough time for the people of Haiti to develop a collective ethnic consciousness. This why through its short recorded history, Haiti has a history of instabilities. An example of this is the development of their anti French sentiment in the 19th century. It reflects the anger of the people of Haiti due to the brutality of the French plantation model. During the 18th century enslaved African people in Saint Domingue had a high mortality rate. This another indicator of lack of ethnic consciousness. They are a young ethnic group emerging through violence in the former French colony. Modern politics will miss this important observation.