This comparison will be done again. Wasn't the range day I wanted.
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@tjc5013 жыл бұрын
I have a stacatto p duo and 226 legion rx sao. I shot them side by side yesterday as i was thinking of unloading one for a cqb. The stacatto is hands down better in my hands. The legion is smooth but has a little flip to it. The grip is better on the legion. It simply grips your hand better. The sti was flatter, faster and more accurate in my hands both slow and fast fire. They are both fun to shoot. Sti is a little more fun though. Both are excellent firearms and will serve you well. The Sti is better imo but also cost 1k more. The legion does have some tool marks you could see and the finish isnt the greatest although I haven’t had any issues with mine but its been babied. The sti could use a little dehorning on some small parts like safety and grip safety. Both are production guns. Trigger and reset on the legion is good. Sti is better and faster. Hope that helps someone make a decision.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@TJ All very good points. Now you know how I feel when I was making this video. I guess one way to solve this is the Staccato and the Legion have a baby and get the best of both worlds with two great firearms. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@stevestone56713 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for that analysis. I have the Sig P226 Legion SAO, the P229 Legion SAO, and the P229 Legion DA/SA; and want a Staccato P duo but was thinking it would not be much different than my Legions--all of which I shoot very well. From your experience with the Staccato I'm all the more tempted. You've got me rethinking. Thanks again.
@bravelion20093 жыл бұрын
@@stevestone5671 I've had the 229 Legion for about 2 years now as my carry gun and I just got a Staccato P Duo...and let me tell you, the P Duo is absolutely incredible. It's obviously a little heavier and has a longer barrel, but it is worth every penny. Shoots faster, flatter, softer, just an amazing gun. Get one, you won't regret it, seriously you won't. I absolutely love it. I'm debating getting the C2 for carry now.
@stevestone56713 жыл бұрын
@@bravelion2009 Thanks, I appreciate the help with the decision; especially since one seldom gets to shoot one of these higher end pistols before purchasing. My LGS has the regular staccato P, but I was holding out for the DUO. Thinking about having this one cut for my optic since the DUO will be hard to find anytime soon.
@maxfit689062 жыл бұрын
@@stevestone5671 I was in the same boat. My Legion SAO’s in 229 and 226 are finished in black cerakote and optic ready. They’re both limited LE editions. I was thinking about getting a Staccato but decided not to. My Legions can do everything the Staccato can. The Legions cost less and have better aftermarket availability as opposed to the Staccato. I sent both Legions in to MK3 Firearms for their single stage trigger work and now the trigger has an immediate wall with a 4lb break, no creep and a short and tactile reset. All that and I still saved approximately $1200 in overall cost by purchasing the Legions.
@rayclay22993 жыл бұрын
I have the 229 Legion SAO also. When I first got it I had my reservations about it because iI was so use to the P226 and P220 that I also have. I could not get it to work right. I had to do some adjustments with my grip because my other Sigs were basically a cheat code making me think i was better than I was. But, the P229 is my favorite. It conceals well and comfortable. Now there is a little heft to it at 32 oz. But I'm use to it. With is P229 SAO Legion I bet my life and my family against it any day.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@Ray Clay I'm glad it worked out for you. Sometimes you have to get used firearms and their characteristics. Like you I like the Classic Line Sigs. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@rudrashakti108 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious. I have the p226 legion. In what way was it a cheat code so to speak as opposed to the p229? In my case I shoot my p226 legion so well it rivals my Dan Wesson 1911 in accuracy, (kind of blows me away actually) but now you got me curious as to how the p229 legion shoots by contrast. What was your subjective or objective experience between the two?
@rayclay2299 Жыл бұрын
@@rudrashakti108 For me it was I felt it was the grip angle of the P226 was better. My bananas seem like it could wrap around it a little better for me. But the P229 felt like it was better tuned for me as shooter. I don't understand why but Im happy it does. Whats funny is that Ive sold that P226. I moved to a more expensive brand. But my P229 still sits by my bedside just in case.
@Mrdanielmesa Жыл бұрын
@@rayclay2299 what brand did you upgrade to if you don’t mind me asking
@RayRay-pe8qu Жыл бұрын
@@Mrdanielmesa Right now I kinda go between 2. I drive trucks for a living. I'm in and out of the truck often and moving around. So during the week I carry my Staccato C (single stack) with an extra mag. It is SUPER comfortable. Its like having 10 $1 bills in your pocket. But on the weekend I carry one of my double stacks.
@resolute1232 жыл бұрын
Like the ergo on the Sig and the reset, but I like the break of the Staccato better plus it shoots flatter. Plus the Staccato controls are more traditional and manual safety is nicer. And you can't beat how smooth the slide is on the Staccato.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
It's very hard to beat a Staccato! I shoot the C2 and P almost exclusively. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@Banksi2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. You probably just saved me $2k 😅. Keeping my 226 legion Sao
@judoki999 Жыл бұрын
Two very different pistols. If only had one to go to war it would be the Sig.
@KeanonGilliamSlang369 Жыл бұрын
@judoki999 Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@82lowe36id2 жыл бұрын
The Sig has a proven track record, cheap mags and Sig customer service outstanding. For those reasons I would pick the P229.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@C Lowe Agreed! Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@tommyj7022 Жыл бұрын
Which one is better? Which one would you keep if you could only keep one?
@KeanonGilliamSlang369 Жыл бұрын
@tommyj7022 Definitely the C2. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@xtreme4stringbass2 жыл бұрын
Mec gar makes flush fit 17 round mags for the 226/229. Also you can work the slide with the safety on with the legions. Never had a more accurate handgun than my legion 226. Prefer the 1911 triggers but there is a magic vodoo formula with the 226/229s when it comes to one hole groups. If you miss a 2 inch circle off hand at 10 yards you are doing something dramatically wrong.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@XTREME RACR 200 BETA RR Legions 226/229 are awesome firearms. You're right, the firearm does the work for you, you just have to apply the fundamentals. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it! BTW nice riding videos. I ride a cruiser but I'd kill myself trying to do off road riding. 👍
@xtreme4stringbass2 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 I also have a 2020 Ultra. Lol
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@@xtreme4stringbass Nice! 👍
@bigbossoooo3 жыл бұрын
Sig for the win.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@mario the great Alright! 👍 Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@-kepha8828 Жыл бұрын
I own the Sig p229 legion. Noone should argue that it is better than the Staccato. But noone should be debating these two anyways. The Staccato costs $1,200 more. Reguardless, the p229 legion is one of the highest quality pistols. It blows the majority of pistols out of the water. 33% of policemen carry that pistol for a reason. I've never shot a Staccato, I cannot afford them, but it's my favorite pistol, if I could pick it.
@KeanonGilliamSlang369 Жыл бұрын
@-kepha8828 I agree! When I got my Staccatos it was pre pandemic. Now they're ridiculously priced. The P229 are P226 great firearms and shouldn't be overlooked. Thank for watching, greatly appreciate it! 👍
@redesert_boy82023 жыл бұрын
Haven't heard of that sparking issue with any ammo including Syntec. Both very nice and fine firearms and I know I would enjoy owning either one someday. I appreciate the comparison of two similar sized firearms with some key differences.....Thanks Again, sir.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
RE:Desert _Boy I heard and seen sparking for the muzzle end of a firearm but not from the ejection port. Maybe it's me. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@MDpolo3 жыл бұрын
Good review. Difficult choice. Thanks for sharing this video.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@MDpolo Gun Channel I'll have to do another range trip with both of them. Yes tough choice!
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@Steve Stone Thank you! Check out 10-8 Performance channel, they really break down the Staccato. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@mackharding2513 жыл бұрын
That was true of the earlier competition style pistols but I've had a C2 duo since the 2cnd month they were available which I carry daily and shoot weekly sometimes almost daily and I've not had 1 single solitary issue. It's actually shooting better and the wear and tear has been less than what you'd expect or get outta most any pistol. Takedown is more complicated but def not difficult. As with any 1911 type pistol (weapon period in my opinion) you should do routine cleaning and maintenance which I've done a little more frequently but that's just because it's freaking expensive and I'd do the same with anything I payed that much for. But it runs smoother and more accurate than any pistol I've ever fired 1911, 2011, or striker fired that are comparable in size including other high-end options such as Wilson combat edc-x9. I know several law enforcement guys that carry the C2 or the P on duty as their primary weapon daily and they swear by them. You can f one up if you don't follow the disassembly properly with the tensions but every day use nah it's a very tightly built pistol - nothing even slightly rattles on mine to this day and the only thing I've replaced was a spring and it wasn't broken or malfunctioning.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@@mackharding251 Good to know the reliability is great. I'll be putting the C2 in my rotation and use the P for training purposes. They're truly a nice firearm.
@mackharding2513 жыл бұрын
You can run the 18 and 21 rnd mags as well as the mdx but know with mdx the slide doesn't lock back - not a malfunction just how the mags are designed to hold more rnds.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
Nice to know. Thanks for watching greatly appreciate it!
@tacticalfirearms452 жыл бұрын
Both great guns. I have the staccato P. I do want the SAO legion 226. Seems like a good one❗️
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@Tactical Firearms I like them both. They have qualities that are different from each other but very good firearms. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@tacticalfirearms452 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 I have a small channel that I recently started, if u get time. Check it out! No problem I’ll keep watching
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@@tacticalfirearms45 No problem, just subbed 👍
@WheeledandWellArmed3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have a P229 Legion DA/SA and I seldom shoot it. When I do, I love it, especially the reset. The 229 wants to go fast. I'm thinking of direct milling a Holosun on it.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@Wheeled and Well Armed Thanks! 👍 Shame you didn't get the RX Legion with the optic already installed. Hope you find a good gunsmith to install an optic for you.
@WheeledandWellArmed3 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 It was from my favorite pawn shop for 800 with taxes. I couldn't pass it up, they had two. This one had 5 mags. It took Sig forever to send the soft case and Legion coin. The other one had two nice leather holsters almost new.
@WheeledandWellArmed3 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 two years ago I was researching and only 2 or 3 companies have a good reputation. I contacted the biggest, he made me send a photo of the inside back of my slide. Most have a big cavity and he charges extra for a plate. He said mine would be easy and can be direct mounted. I will have MK3 Firearms do it. They do great work and I trust them.
@charlesx19573 жыл бұрын
Careful take down on staccato, I slipped on reassemble the take down lever and jamed gun
@UncleDanBand643 жыл бұрын
I think I favor the Staccato. I am biased though because my oldest son was a gunsmith for them for about 3 years!
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@Shootin' with Uncle Dan I do favor the Staccato over the Sig it's just today it wasn't right. I'll be doing a re shoot because I know I shoot the Staccato way better. Wow, that's cool your son was a gunsmith for them! 👍🇺🇲
@UncleDanBand643 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 yeah he loved it but, the cost of living was steep there. He was in product development and testing. He did a ton of shooting on a daily basis as part of his job. He still has strong ties there. They have did quite a bit of work for me at no charge. Good folks!
@WheeledandWellArmed3 жыл бұрын
@Shootin' with Uncle Dan I hope your son brought home enough parts for you to build a Staccato.
@charlesx19573 жыл бұрын
Careful take down on staccato, I slipped on reassemble the take down lever and jamed gun
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@charlesx1957 Thanks for the information. Hope you were able to take care of yours with no further damage. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@AUWDE57043 жыл бұрын
At what point do you compare the size? I know the differences between the gun and just want to see which one would be smaller and more comfortable for me to carry AIWB
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@AUWDE5704 The Legion would be your best fit for AIWB in my opinion. Thanks again for watching!
@T.A.B.Videos3 жыл бұрын
Great looking pistols
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@treesablowin Thank you! Love your Ronin firearm!
@DrTac2 жыл бұрын
Which conceals better?
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@DoctorTactical The P229 Legion conceals better. Feels better when concealed appendix and is lighter in my opinion. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@bamabinder3 жыл бұрын
What is the height difference in the grip between the two?
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@Bama Binder The difference is 0.46 inches not even noticeable. Legion is 5.4 and the C2 is 4.94. Both feel great in the hand. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@bamabinder3 жыл бұрын
So I have a C2 as well and the actual grip length is much longer than the Staccato website says. Mine measures 5.75 with the magazine in.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@@bamabinder I see, I never measured it physically went by the website. That extra grip my help. Also companies change specs without notice.
@mackharding2513 жыл бұрын
Man, I've never tried that ammo but I've shot every Sig legion series and none of them run better than the C2. Not a single one. Guess it's just your preference or if Sig is the style weapon you've used a great deal then that could be it I guess. But for a 3.9" barrel the C2 is an extremely smooth and flat shooter. More so than Sig, Wilson Combats... you name it in a carry conceal type pistol.
@TZOID08 Жыл бұрын
A little more research on the Specs. may have been nice rather than guessing at things like barrel lengths Etc.
@KeanonGilliamSlang369 Жыл бұрын
@TZOID08 Funny, some people said it was too much or they didn't care. I had a brain fart on the exact length. Thanks for your input. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@matts2303 жыл бұрын
I've had 3 sigs, p226 tacops da/sa, p220 hunter sao, and p320 x5 legion. None of them came close to my staccato in any aspect. The only thing sig has is a lower price point but in my experience they're still overpriced and they're just not on the same level.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@matt s Point taken. Yes very expensive. Maybe my comparison wasn't the best. I like both brands for different reasons. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@matt s I'm waiting on my P220 Legion SAO in 10mm, it's been on back order.
@matts2303 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 i just recently got rid of my last 2 sigs. I'm not sure how the p220 legion compares to the elite hunter but the trigger on mine was terrible. I ended up getting an armorycraft dual adjustable trigger and race hammer to hopefully remedy it but never got the chance to install them before I traded with some cash for a c2 duo with 508t gr. I think it was a fine comparison of 2 similarly sized pistols that were designed for the same purpose, I just don't agree with your choice for the better of the 2. I haven't gotten to try my c2 out yet since I'm waiting for the inefficient background check to finally go through but my p 4.4 is by far my favorite and best shooting handgun. I look forward to the rest of the comparisons though even if I don't agree with your findings 👍
@cgrovespsyd2 жыл бұрын
The Staccato may be better but is it 1,000 dollars better?
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@Charles Groves At the time of this video it was near pre pandemic. The Staccato C2 is a faster shooter, very accurate firearm versus the P229 Legion. The Legion is no slouch though. The price currently on the Staccato drastically went went up. You can live with the Legion. I did a post/video about the pricing of the Staccato, maybe time for another one.
@cgrovespsyd2 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 I have a P229 in 40 S&W which has a sharp recoil but I like the milder recoil of the 9mm better so am thinking about getting a Staccato.
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@@cgrovespsyd Hey check with Sig customer service, I think they have a conversion barrel for the P229
@cgrovespsyd2 жыл бұрын
@@KeanonGilliamSlang369 That’s what I was told when I bought it, years ago. Will look into it. Btw, the trijicon sights loose their luminescence after ten or so years and needs to be replaced. Unfortunately, they didn’t start making the Legion until relatively recently, which is somewhat of an improvement over mine. Still a great pistol that I am happy with. At least 40 S&W seems to be easier to come by than 9mm.
@Three60Crusader2 жыл бұрын
C2 is better
@KeanonGilliamSlang3692 жыл бұрын
@Three60Crusader C2's advantages are trigger, smooth shooting, accuracy. You can't lose! Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it! 👍
@8REI- Жыл бұрын
Staccato is better than Sig Legion 229/226 or any other Legion for the matter of fact. BUT it costs $1000 more too... so in cost benefit analysis, I'd say Sig wins. For an average Joe, get a Sig Legion. I am LEO and I need something that can help me even if it is the slightest. So my go to is Staccato P. I would totally buy Wilson Combat SFT9 over Staccato P but my department, just like other PD's don't approve WC for duty carry. If you can, go buy WC SFT9 and you won't regret it. It's perfect in every aspect.
@KeanonGilliamSlang369 Жыл бұрын
@Amrikan5abi The Staccato is definitely a great choice. I have the 'P' as well. I don't like that Staccato increased their prices since the pandemic. I will have to get a WC SFT9. Thank you for your service and stay safe! I'm retired LEO.
@davidmartin6056 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but the reliability with 229 is a lot better
@8REI- Жыл бұрын
@@davidmartin6056 reliability of Sig cannot be better than Staccato for sure.
@AUWDE57043 жыл бұрын
Good god, this is suppose to be a comparison and all you did was talk about being a shitty shooter and how you aren’t accurate with certain ammo
@KeanonGilliamSlang3693 жыл бұрын
@AUWDE5704 Thank you for your opinion! I went with what I honestly felt. Thanks for watching, greatly appreciate it!