Complaining about OSRS

[@user-xz9st8hm1n]

I agree. /r/2007scape is a terrible influence on this game.

[@Xigbar295]

Just know that you're a hero to me, man. There are players out here who feel the same way as you.

[@Patrick-go8ub]

I think a big part of the problem is the max cape and the large amount of end game content (raids, inferno). Making the goal for most players to get maxed. At the start of the game this was never the case. I doubt many peoplewent into the game with a maxing mentality, and those who did wanted the challenge and enjoyed the skilling. This was one of the things that separated osrs from other games. Unfortunately with a more endgame focused game, you will draw the desire from your playerbase to reach that goal sooner. Inevitably this will lead to rs3 exp rates, a complete devaluation of all early and midgame items and an economy in desperate need of money sinks. -ex osrs player

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

That's exactly what happened.

[@vwabi]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 That's literally not what happened though. Many skills are still below 100k/hr, especially if you exclude tick manipulation methods, nowhere close to rs3 rates. Early/midgame items haven't been devalued, there are tons of good midgame items like barrows gloves, dragon defender, and dozens of others that are still very widely used. Economy in need of money sinks perhaps, but the G.E. tax was a very clean and effective way to sink money, so I wouldn't exactly say the economy is in 'desperate need of money sinks' anymore.

[@nanashivii9237]

While I don't necessarily share the same view of the game as you do, AE, your criticisms are not poorly placed. The trend of instant gratification has driven the MMO genre as a whole into the ground over the past few years. A polling system is a great way to interface with the community, but taking its word as gospel is a huge mistake in terms of balance, integrity and longevity as most players (rightfully, mind you) will vote based on their own needs and not necessarily what the game needs.

[@nanashivii9237]

Making skilling quicker and easier only reins in the lifespan of this game as, unlike bossing or PKing, it is a finite activity by design. The game is developed using the (albeit arbitrary) 99 skill cap to tier content. Expediting xp rates only trivialises this aspect of the game. It's bad enough that there are already thousands of people with maxed accounts, myself included. You can respect the dedication, but really it goes against the fundamental design of Runescape -- that skills were meant to be something you were forever working at. Maxed accounts were meant to be a pipe dream. This ethos existed in 2007, but it does not exist in OSRS. Players are voting and advocating for updates that go against this ethos, but the core of the game doesn't change because doing so wouldn't be "oldschool". It saddens me to no end that there wasn't some form of discussion about the issues that RS2 faced before the release of OSRS. Faster xp methods, easier to amass supplies due to the G.E, 99 HP cap, whole number damage rolls, 120 skills. I dislike EoC and RS3, but really they were the product of a game pushed to its limits due to ongoing issues such as the ones stated above. OSRS is reaching the same stage (ironically, within a very similar time period, starting from 2007) and decrying people trying to discuss these things only exacerbates the problem. The community is too large to communicate effectively and come up with their own compromises, and Jagex just stands on the sideline by "virtue" of their player-driven content creation.

[@warriorkr]

You say a lot of gibberish and long words, but actually all your BS you say gets resumed into RS wasn't mean tto be finished, or at least skills weren't meant to, and I think you couldn't be more wrong and pedantic than you were on this comments, human preseverancy made games much longer than rs like black desert be grinded faster than the aforementioned, so IDK what the fuck you're talking about rpgs and instant gratification, as a big part of the playerbase that seeks instant gratification doesn't play rpg's. So yea your reasoing is flawed, pedantic and purist but in a bad way.

[@RockBandRS]

NanashiVII EoC released because of the unbalanced combat system and they reached all they could do PvM and gear wise. OSRS is already reaching this point, just look at what happened with serpentine helm. OSRS has learned from some of the past mistakes, like they are adding item sinks. But eventually OSRS will fail for the same reason rs2 did. I play both versions and don't want either to go downhill, but from what I can tell nostalgia is the main force behind a lot of OSRS players. Don't need to go far to prove that. Every person who complains the game isn't exactly how it was previously is proof of that. Drawing in more players is the only thing that'll keep the game alive. And appealing to a wide audience, aka making the grind easier, is the only way to achieve that.

[@nanashivii9237]

+Martí Móra Torres The trend of instant gratification is a one exhibited clearly in western games. It's evidenced by level boosts and other microtransactions in near all modern MMOs. These did not exist in the past due to it not being thought of, but because people were willing to experience the journey and work for their achievements. BDO and other Korean/Chinese MMOs emphasize the grinding aspect and don't share the mentality we have when creating games here. Which is why every asian MMO that gets localised to the west is dialed down considerably in terms of grinding, and the early -to-mid-game content is neglected with the emphasis on reaching endgame and participating in content there. This mentality has leaked into near all genres of gaming, and because it goes against the foundations of the MMO genre, we see it dipping in popularity in favour of more fast-paced games like MOBAs. Skills in Runescape weren't intended to be finished, (hence the arbitrary capping of all experience at 200m) at least not before they had released content up to the level cap, which wasn't at all close to the first maxed account. You called me a lot of things in your response, which is fine -- your prerogative. But you didn't provide anything of substance in your reply, showing minimal understanding and an emotional response.

[@nanashivii9237]

+RockBandRS You can't have a retro server that appeals to a contemporary (read: casual) audience. It's outside of the nostalgic scope that OSRS was based on -- they're incompatible. Without major changes to core mechanics, the game (as you pointed out) won't survive. I agree with that much. But increasing xp rates isn't the way to go about it. That's just an arbitrary means to an end, it doesn't preserve or improve anything. To me, there's nothing more boring than logging in after an update and immediately being able to participate in new content because you're maxed. Partly due to the fact that it's an adventure game and I like quests and context, whereas OSRS mods don't, but that's beside the point.

[@slayermusiq1]

I totally agree on a lot or most things you say. I, myself, like skilling and questing the most but skilling is getting easier by the week and I can't do anything about that. I just play on accounts with increasingly difficult restrictions to keep me entertained with how easy the game gets. Like only playing Nuzlocke challenge or mono type challenges on the Pokemon games

[@Stiflex]

Rs mobile is also probably going to be the best mobile game out there.

[@jvostudio]

agreed. Rs may have find a new generation of audience with rs mobile. People may start enjoying the game again

[@Stiflex]

This may also be very bad for players who want to play on pc, like he mentioned in the video - they may start appealing to that audience.

[@Xx3p17MW3Pl4Y3rxX]

Pokémon GO is the best mobile game out there.

[@Stiflex]

It was for about a few weeks, it's now dead. It died for me when hillary cracked that pokemon go to the polls joke.

[@Xx3p17MW3Pl4Y3rxX]

Sorry its not dead lmao. i live in a small town with about 3k people and we have atleast 50 superactive players. nothing is more enjoyable than that game

[@Emilianolokocho123]

I completely agree with you on nightmare zone, having a 99 on a combat stat used to be so exclusive and hard, at least for me. it was a very hard task since you couldn't afk it, now i have 99 range on my zerk and i feel no sense of achievement since i afkd most of it, and it also pisses me off that every pker is easily maxed cause of nmz. Maxed out pking builds used to be so rare and powerful back in the day, now everyone has one. I wouldnt be close to affording my 99 range if it wasn't for >Zulrah before nerf: absurd amount of money to finance my training >NMZ: easily afk way to train combat > Blowpipe: absurd dps, too op, made everything too easy. I guess im pissed that everything is so easy to achieve nowadays

[@xtyrantisz]

I mean people complain now but when they left their accounts on overnight and got 99s that way I didn't see them complaining then

[@Emilianolokocho123]

I didnt complain at the time cause i didn't knew that i was killing the fun :p

[@Emiltat]

Takomoloko there have been a very fast and afk ( altough expensive) range training since cinching and desert treasure was released so saying it is new since nmz if false

[@Emilianolokocho123]

yeah, as you said, it was expensive, and without zulrah not many people had the luxury to chin which is kinda afkable

[@jimbojim4767]

That's cause people are better at the game now not because of nmz

[@sldflhsdk2325]

Kids calling rs3 easyscape for the xp rates but then they want these same easyscape xp rates to their real original super game, osrs because they dont have any interest in skilling

[@mrj5685]

sldflhsdk exactly I don't even see how rs3 is easy scape anymore other than the fact you can purchase xp and the ridiculously high xp methods. This afk culture in the game is comparable to making the game easy though. Like I was with a pvm clan and the leader would bitch about how bad rc is because it's 'aids' and that he'll most like end up getting the 99 afking at zeah. Also when I asked everyone why they dislike rc especially since its one of the best fucking money makers in the game, guess what the usual response was... 'because I can't afk'. Shit like that was the reason I left the game completely. People want to play the game but... err... not play the game? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying every aspect of the game should be afk but with some of these updates that they are making it seems to be heading that way.

[@someone-ji2zb]

You are looking at this from the wrong angle. The developers are basically afraid that they are alienating too many gamers now days who feel they can't catch up after the years that have passed. It was a bit different 15+ years ago when gaming wasn't mainstream and more people weren't afraid to sink time/life into a video game (I was one of those people). Like it or hate it, most gaming companies now believe they make more money from the casual market than they ever could dream of making from a more serious group of gamers who have more time to sink in. Whether or not more casual games are less engaging wont change the fact that business is business.

[@skyfall7110]

@someone667 your good, very good

[@warriorkr]

Rs is far more challenging than osrs but less time consuming, calling rs3 easyscape when prolly 99% of the playerbase of osrs whould be unable to kill any end game boss in rs3 while i can kill any endgame boss of osrs (except inferno prolly) with my dick.

[@skyfall7110]

I can too if i really want to, so what about it? Anyone can kill anything, if people could not why would the content even be released? Anyway the thing is, when RS was originally designed the creators never expected people to reach lvl99 or 200m, because it was genuinly very hard. now throw in 700k exp/hr rates and theres no possible acomplishment

[@santeramo147]

I miss the oldschool opening day. That's nostalgia to me now

[@Rich30005]

20:20 You just defeated your entire argument in one sentence.

[@theFINNISHmonster1]

Lol ikr

[@samyouwell66]

+

[@laagone]

To be the Devil's advocate, this ramble is his opinion about the game and its current state and he's open to others' opinions as long as they're well founded. The point he made there is that many other people are just hostile to other people playing the game differently. He doesn't mind people doing something the more AFK way if that's how they want to play, he just doesn't want it to "ruin" the game for him by the easier things becoming the meta - meanwhile, some individuals who like AFKing look down on others for playing efficiently and being more invested.

[@willlmo6488]

that sums it up, gg

[@SackyBalls444]

@Julia "The point he made there is that many other people are just hostile to other people playing the game differently." Yeah... he IS that person. I haven't seen AFK casuals go on long rants about how efficient players "ruin the game" as he does to them. And I err more towards his side than theirs.

[@riimumaisema]

ive played since 2004 and i didnt want 2007scape specifically i just wanted no eoc. i know plenty of old players like myself who would prefer pre-eoc over 2007 keep that in mind when i tell you that you represent probably 1% of the playerbase if even that. i dont want microtransactions or any other obscenely fast and easy ways of training skills but im more than happy to accept new high level training methods every once in a while BECAUSE they are less effort, not despite it my account is almost max total and i dont see the introduction of easier training methods devaluing my account in any way. i just want to enjoy the game and the grind is often not the enjoyable part

[@riimumaisema]

i also find it kind of ironic how you keep repeating how people have different points of view, well maybe your point of view is such an extreme minority people dont agree with it at all

[@JohnJacob56]

Jeba He talks about how everyone complains about getting 40k Xp/hour in mining, agility and runecrafting but doesn't consider most people don't have 40 hours a week to put into this game. If a normal player playing 2 hours a day wants to get 99 runecrafting it'll take them 6 months. His style of play is super grindy and a majority of players can't and won't play that way.

[@jmm00702]

if u wanna enjoy a game u should play rs3, thats where the fun endgame content is at, not osgrindscape

[@TheM4yhem]

John F. Kennedy then, i am sorry, you will not have 99 runecrafting. That makss absolutely no sensw. 'I cant play as much as my neighbour, we need faster content xp wise' what?

[@divinepickle4866]

Hey man, don't worry about the hate. I thoroughly enjoy your videos, and appreciate having insight on your views, even if I disagree. Regardless of your viewcount. I hope you keep uploading man

[@saw141]

Love you man, proud of you for being willing to speak out; I agree with your sentiment.

[@WTFGamingUSA]

This video is probably as honest as it gets about how OSRS is headed. I don't want Oldschool to slowly turn into a cluster fuck of xp rates like Runescape 3. We need more people to make videos like this.

[@DylansPhotos]

3 years down the road and all of this still stands true

[@TheUndulyNoted]

I personally think he's quite wrong about afk stuff. People will increasingly leave the game without afk options. Take daeyalt essence at zmi, it means your overall xp is -10% but it makes it a massive amount more afk. This is a great pattern for the game: poor XP/hr but afk options, ok xp but non afk options, and fantastic xp but high intensity options. Most normal people would simply not bother with the game if there weren't afk options for skills, no fucking way would I sit there 3 ticking granite for example, if that was my only option I just wouldn't mine.

[@Xepiclyhandsome1X]

You're a really good, really dedicated player. The challenge of the game and the grind is what you desire. Unfortunately, many players don't value the game for it's original aspects like those mentioned. Most players want an easier game, which is what jagex is doing overall.

[@fleagaunag]

No kidding. Seeing the way this guy plays in the video makes me sick to my stomach.

[@Luniera7]

No one is talking about the no exp waste mentality. That's not what he's talking about in the video at all. He even cited social aspects of certain methods as positives, but criticized skilling related updates for being braindead, rather than social AND engaging.

[@jonnylittle9457]

Jack jack bailey dnb?

[@blackboard212]

well osrs was always about the killer grind and rs3 ruined that grind so if people want an easy game to level in then they should go play rs3. osrs should be staying closer to the long grind goals.

[@JohnSmith-fs8bu]

The game should be easier, the player base isn’t 12 years old anymore with 12 hours a day to dedicate to the game

[@lebareslep]

I don't agree with every single detail in this video, but overall you make some really strong points. Particular the bit after 17:30 ... "Players will vote for whatever will make the game a little bit easier for them without thinking about the longevity of the game, the quality of the game, or how the game should be from a design perspective." - so true that it hurts.

[@drednok3569]

2147m Exactly, he contradicts himself a few times in the video.

[@lebareslep]

Agreed, I think his reasoning should've been based more on the game's health than his personal preferences.

[@GottaLoveShuckle]

When referring to the longevity of the game, I think you guys are looking at it from a different point of view to that of Autumn Elegy in this vid . You guys are looking at it from more of a business point of view (how long the game can keep going making money), whereas Autumn Elegy is looking at it from a player point of view (how long will the game continue to be enjoyable). The best way to describe this would be looking at Runescape 3 which continues to make money through Micro transactions but the game has long since died in the eyes of most OSRS players. Edit: I guess what I think Autumn Elegy is really referring to is the longevity of integrity.

[@bipkompiuteriai3415]

3-4 more years and Pre Eoc will launch

[@keatonhuitema7149]

I wish my mouse moved that fast

[@Blastoisiken]

19:21 "I see this game as a grind based game, it's not supposed to be always enjoyable in the moment". That is the key difference between you and many other players. Players just want to have fun and some of the grinds are too grindy. That's why I havent hopped over to osrs yet. The xp rates are extremely painful and I already dealt with that shit once on my main way back. 20:24 "and in general it seems like a lot of people that play the game cant handle the fact the other people play the game differently than them." Your mindset towards this game is held by a minority.

[@Esgarpen]

level 40 agility: Sure, I can get 99. Level 60 agility: Just kill me now pls, give me graceful

[@SmemesYT]

The video is called "Complaining about OSRS" yet people are still mad that you're complaining about OSRS like they're surprised.

[@Ryan_Carder]

I think MLM is a good update.

[@Peter-sg3dp]

Ryan Carder its a great update

[@Ryan_Carder]

I think he made good points about it. I think that it could be a little less exp p/hr

[@Jimmya97a]

Ryan Carder mlm less xp an hour? I only get 22-25k an hour atm

[@xandreaguir3676]

Jimmy Alonzo get good.

[@Robert-jc6zq]

Xandre Aguir how do you get good at MLM pls explain your tricks to get good at clicking walls and waiting for your shit to mine lmao.

[@RuniteRaider99]

I've listenened to this video twice now (while spending some time grinding), and I honestly agree with you 100% on this. Jagex is making OSRS into a game much easier than the real 2007Scape was. It's kinda disappointing to see that they mostly listen to the people with the biggest mouths in the community for changes (basically people who shittalk and complain 24/7) and the players that actually put effort into the game and enjoy how the old days were aren't heard as much. I just hope they can stop making easy-ass, boring, and afk content and actually put more effort into new developments (like they promised).

[@harleejohnson4826]

After watching this I couldn't agree more. I started this game back in the rs classic days and felt like it was a grind to level up and that's what I liked. I made a come back to osrs and been playing for just over a year after quitting back in 2005/6. To me the game has changed so much and don't get me wrong i love it but it does seem easier than it use to be. I love the grind in this game which is why I started a hardcore free to play iron man but I think your 100% right. The updates just seem to aid everyone. I love the fact that runecrafting is a grind (to me anyway) I feel like going back to classic for the grinding feel

[@goolash4]

Thanks for speaking your mind Autumn and not sugarcoating it. I would say I am more of an afk player (99 wc/99 fishing and thats basically my acc). After watching your videos, they inspired me to try the higher apm methods and skills, and I ended up enjoying them because I felt like I got more value from playing the game. Thanks so much for that. You can't make everyone happy unfortunately so do your best to keep doing what you do. Good luck to you and maybe I will check out that twich stream some time :).

[@user-hi8jf1hu4p]

actually i don't really like this guy in general but this vid makes a lot of sense. But on the other hand I don't have 16 hours a day to give a videogame my undivided attention. But that said I don't really mind it taking forever for my account to progress, because that just makes it more satisfying when I finish a goal. Once this game is gone I don't think I'll be able to play games at all anymore because of all the shekel grabbing of newer games

[@user-xz9st8hm1n]

I quit playing because of some of the updates you mentioned. Now I just watch people play on youtube and twich.

[@oljasalishev1331]

You talk about wanting engaging gameplay yet you spent 6 months at the quarry getting 200M mining, you are NOT the common player, stop thinking you are.

[@williejoe5593]

Oljas Alishev HAHA

[@pimentejm]

@ Settled

[@tupacaholic2639]

looking back at this video now, are you happy with the way the game went?

[@michaelzyskowski2357]

ye its dead, pvp dead, skilling dead, all theres left is those GC bots with 5,000 kc opening chest every 30 sec every world lmao why would you wanna play an eoc-less copy of rs3? i.e. the game became osrs3 btw current employees so trash they wouldnt even dream of starting a company of their own. it is what it is, weak people give weak results. Os osrs when ? even if, then im not trusting fagex not to ruin the game yet again lmao

[@b320man]

Hey man, I enjoyed your video and will stay sub, but could you explain what you mean at 20:20 please. I feel like that just back flips on everything you have said. "People can't handle the fact that other people play the game different/different opinions"

[@brotherscape5014]

This is a video game, that you have turned into a job and broken down to a science. It's hard to enjoy when you look at a game that way.

[@JoshuaRAWRR]

Yeah you're right, Pong is the pinnacle of brain training. Moron.

[@MezMez]

Or you know, chess, football golf, archery, boxing, all which existed well before pong. Moron.

[@JoshuaRAWRR]

They aren't VIDEO games, moron.

[@MezMez]

Great observation, too bad the guy you responded to never mentioned videogames at all. Moron.

[@JoshuaRAWRR]

"This is a video game" fucking idiot. Literally the comment this chain was derived from, the person you're talking about is clearly talking about games in the video format and not boardgames or sports.

[@willhill9482]

you make very good points from the perspective of the high level skilling community, allot of historically popular methods and skills have been devalued and turned afk ect. The game is for the most part player content orientated, we pay we say, vote for content ect ect. The demographic for this game IS NOT the high level skilling community. Your opinions are very valid and you make good points, just you are the minority in the game, you represent a very small percentage of player base. It would be unjust if all of a sudden content was made for the 1%, in fact that is some what of a dictatorship where the 'elite' control everything lol

[@willhill9482]

excellent comment there sir

[@DZ-lp6ls]

Millionaire Rd Lol did you realise you commented on yourself from 1 month ago? Otherwise that'd be hilarious.

[@Backrub3Bucks]

while i agree with some points you make, you have to put more effort into your videos if you truly are passionate about these opinions and want change. anyone can record gameplay, and groan on continuously about their thoughts but nobody is going to be invested or take what you say too seriously. if you REALLY want to possibly affect the direction the game is headed you have to make a better video. think of how His Lordship made "The Wilderness - An Unauthorised Biography" and how much effort went into that video because he was that passionate and wanted to affect the community to make a change. these low-effort videos are the only gripe I have with you. You're not passionate enough to make the effort to make the changes you'd like to see happen.

[@AutumnElegy]

I don't have an interest in spending a lot of time editing anymore, but I try to remain as active as I can in game update discussions.

[@Backrub3Bucks]

fair enough - you propose good points but I think it doesn't matter much unless people actually hear you out.

[@HansenEdits]

get an editor 👀

[@treygon11]

his video wasn't trying to change things.... it was just him talking about how he felt. two very different things.

[@2e826]

Magicfire productions right, it's a video you turn on and make dinner listening to or something. This nigga watching Caleb craft lavas for 25 minutes

[@LooseGooseGamer]

oxymoron: a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”. 20:20 AND 17:29

[@aeiouaeiou100]

I would like this channel to go back to a time the comment section wasn't full of hateful people and was a positive environment of people focussed on bettering and enjoying the game

[@brendanbyrne9376]

Autumn - Propose some good skilling content. I'd like to hear what you have to say on that :)

[@tysonstewart3633]

You talk about all of this stuff making the game easier yet you're using hotkeys

[@someone-ji2zb]

Technically still adding extra keystrokes to the same mouseclick counts (back when it was allowed anyway), so it isn't really making the game easier so much as it was reducing the risk of carpel tunnel. Love this game, but holy crap.. no game in existence has as huge a hand/wrist strain as runescape. I think some people need to differentiate difficulty with quality of life. Yes, using hotkeys made right click tasks reliable and accurate, but I just don't see the big deal honestly. I know your comment is old and so is this vid... but meanwhile we now have runelite which lets you do everything from hide models on screen, disable player visuals, shift click custom shortcuts for activities, and allows insane zoom out... I'd say those things are far more broken, yet jagex approves of them. And don't forget about the jag plug in that runelite devs brought down themselves after half a year... jagex didn't even force them to do it xD

[@RS4EVARR]

Oh that's funny, osrs players complaining about the game being too grindy and wanting easier and more faster ways to train.

[@hubabuba2damax]

Irony and hypocrisy around the board in this comment section and video

[@bluefate2159]

ANSWER RS3

[@seribelz]

I play osrs only for pk aspect of the game, my main is a 1 def pure. Well I've just started a def main just to explore other areas of osrs. To be honest I don't like the grinding part of the game and I don't find enjoyable staring at a screen nonstop clicking at the same spot for 100hrs with the only reward being, for most skills, the achievement feeling. Back In pre-eoc i used to love stealing creating because it was a fun pvp game that rewarded greatly having high skilling stats and with the volatile tools I enjoyed skilling, I wish it was brought back to osrs or some minigames that make skilling more dynamic. I love your vids man, keep up the good work.

[@thefatpakyak2826]

I can sense a nervousness in your voice near the beginning, but don't take it the wrong way. I think we both knew the kinda backlash you'd get. But I love what you criticize, it really starts a conversation and who knows what doors this will open. All in all, not your fault others can't handle an opinion. I feel that this is more constructive criticism rather than destructive anyways. Once again, awesome vid.

[@TheMisterPenguins]

whats your opinion on squrik'ing? that thieving minigame with the fruit. i think it really benefits all kind of players because it is not afk, it requires constant attention to keep track of where the ghosts are heading so you do not get caught, but the apm isnt ridiculously high because youre doing nothing so it isnt a chore to do. i think oldschool as a game is just flawed with the fact that the only controls are with a mouse and it can really hurt a lot of peoples hands to have high apm skilling things, so the designers should make up for this with minigames that require you to pay attention to something, such as squirking, or some kind of minigame that involves mouse movement but not necessarily lots of clicking. the apm used in many afk skilling methods youve complained about is ideal imo, there should just be something in the minigame or skilling method that players also must keep track of or something to avoid. the better they keep track, the more profit or xp they make, and if they DO decide to afk it and do poorly, they dont make as much xp or something. for example, maybe some kind of quiz game or a stealth game. jad in particular is awesome because it uses sound as its medium to engage players, meaning 1) their hands dont hurt but 2) they still need to be involved in the game if they want to succeed.

[@AutumnElegy]

It's a pretty cool minigame. Too bad the xp rates are so low compared to other things.

[@Stewiiiii]

most people rejected His message they hated AUTUMN ELEGY because He told them the Truth

[@francisgrimes384]

Hey, firstly, love the commentary, secondly when you were talking about "why don't they make content they want players to actually interact with" it kinda hit me a lil, i felt like jagex have been passing the community off with shit and loq quality updates, im not efficent or maxed but i completely understand what your saying when you talk, enjoyed hearing your rant it kinda made me realise i've been accepting this for too long,

[@FuzzyPurp]

I would love to have you on the old school team

[@Korky91]

I agree on almost all the points he made, which doesn't mean I didn't do any afk stuff for my 99s. I like my afk skills, but they shouldn't be proffitable, high exp or both. The point is high effort should be rewarded with high exp and high proffit or a bit of both. But what they did with Wintertodt was just faceroll 99 at 300k exp an hour. Meanwhile they're making RC afk with bloods and souls which give faster exp than the higher effort methods. Astrals and nats are high effort and used TO BE proffitable but slow exp...now it's just high effort, slow exp and 25% less proffit because of the GE prices. And while lavas give high exp and have high effort, they lose you money...and I think there's already plenty of skills that lose you money.

[@RazgulTheKind]

I agree with a lot of what you said, sad to see so many dislikes. If someone doesn't agree that's perfectly okay but the dislike button is for objectively bad content, not because some sad asshole happens to disagree.

[@TheBelegstrongbow]

great vid bro

[@AutumnElegy]

thanks homie

[@jtommyboi4193]

You really think any player gives a shit how much post 99 xp you have? Its a personal accomplishment and the value is entirely in your own imagination. If a new update comes up for faster xp rates, why can't you keep your own mental achievement of knowing you grinded it out when it was harder? The core of your argument is better xp = less value. The "value" you see in gaining XP for your account past 99 is worth something special to you, but isn't worth jack shit to any other player.

[@ll-mc8bx]

Over a year later and even more relevant now. I dislike the way this game is going and the community lives in a bubble. Honestly it doesn't feel so oldschool anymore. It's losing the charm of the simplicity, It feels like a high budget private server.

[@TomyHun]

I agree wholeheartedly! Also, most of the comments on here are obviously from people who genuinely have no idea what they're on about. I think it's mostly because they weren't around when OSRS released and haven't had any of their achievements devalued. Not everyone can allow themselves to play all day but also not everyone has to be maxed. Some people act like they are entitled to all the best gear and stats without having to work for it.

[@EggsWithMilk]

I'm interested in hearing your opinion on whether or not the most efficient way to train skills should be fun for a lot of players. For example, 3 tick barb isn't fun for the majority of people, so what if something that gave marginally better or identical experience rates was just as intensive (say, 180 clicks per minute), just as costly (use the same amount of feathers) and more entertaining. Would this make 200m fishing less of an accomplishment? Or would this be a good update in your opinion?

[@yop1010]

When are the 2015 07 servers coming out

[@Sam-dg2wc]

It's really interesting to hear someone else's view, especially from a highly ranked veteran player like yourself. I can see and understand a lot of your views and why you feel that way about how Old School has turned out since it's re-release. I personally do not agree with the points you brought up however, and I would say largely that's because of different circumstances in life and different experiences of the game. I really enjoy playing Old School a lot because of the nostalgia I get from when I played as a kid, so just having the game is good enough for me, and I try to avoid criticising the game and it's updates as much as possible due to me being happy I can still play it. I feel like it's very easy to get caught up in the negativity that surrounds the game and the updates that come to it, but I'm simple and all I want is the old combat system, and I find the game starts to lose it's meaning when I worry too much about exactly what I would want in the game. The other thing that I like about OId School and the updates IS the new training methods released that are AFK; I am currently completing a double degree in mechanical engineering and mathematics and I rarely find time to be able to sit down and focus solely on the game, and it's almost necessary for me to be able to AFK in most aspects of the game so I can actually get stuff done in my own life. I really enjoy being able to multitask these things and I am so grateful to have such a wonderful game in my life that I have grown up with and loved. I understand that there are some aspects of the game that should remain non-AFKable, and when I do find time I do try my best to do those activities, but all-in-all it's an integral part of the game to me, so adding that ease to the game I has found really beneficial in enjoying the game a lot more. You have to think about this: majority of players on Old School are veterans who started playing in their younger years, but now we are all grown up and we probably all have a lot to in our lives just to keep it together. Sure, you can find the time to play and concentrate on the game so much, but I and probably majority of other players physically cannot find that kind of time, and allowing the game to be played while doing something else is very helpful to us. Old School is still growing a lot on the player-base, it's way past RS3, so I would say Jagex right now is doing pretty well for the game. Remembering why I first played this game really brings me back to a level head, and helps me realise that I am still playing that game to this day and loving it, so I have absolutely nothing to complain about. Sure the community is toxic and I don't think it's very accepting of new players, but if you can enjoy the game without worrying what other players are saying, then I think you should be thankful the game is just here, and probably here to stay for a very long time.

[@sk1mperman]

he starts complaining at 2:30

[@johnnymagliaro5587]

Nailed it. If anyone remembers what this game use to be like BACK IN THE DAY would remember how grindy and difficult in comparison to what it use to be. Hell i remember when you weren't at the keyboard you could be banned. Anyways, Right on point. Enjoyed the rant.. someone had to say it.

[@palqcho4608]

how can i get my interface look like that?

[@Kollekiesinen2377]

Lots of good points here. Wish the osrs was more hard core like it was back in the day.

[@FruitWT]

agreed 100%.

[@Wissro]

First of all props to you for voicing your opinion knowing you will get a lot of hate for it. Now, you talked a lot about how most skilling updates were unoriginal and not well thought through. I'm not trying to hate on you in any way and I know it's the job of the OSRS content development team to come up with original and quality content, but I would like to propose that you create a skilling update. Could be any skill. Where would it be, what would it include, how would you need to approach the method. How good is it in terms of repetitiveness (variations of runs maybe), requirements (lvl's, quests etc) and the rewards. Genuinely interested in what you come up with.

[@ordieson1591]

Wissro he was banned last night for using AHK

[@astronglackofcreativity3774]

>I wish the community was less toxic and more accepting of other points of view >I want the game to be how I want it to be >I don't have an interest in Jagex making more money (and thus continue to improve the game through more mods/R&D) >I want the game to be subjectively good for just me and the majority of the OSRS community is nothing but toxic because they think differently Autism Elergy

[@nothinot9585]

Why are you bringing an ehcanted emerald necklace? what are its uses?

[@nothinot9585]

oh nvm

[@GhraziRapier]

I do agree with most points of the video, but what is your problem with rooftops, you have to click once every 2-7 seconds and the max exp is 62k/hr..

[@JustJosh07]

"It seems like a lot of people that play this game, can't handle the fact that other people play the game very differently from them". Mate, you can't go on a ramble about updates that cater to MAJORITY of the RuneScape community, and then make a statement like that. This video makes it seem that you have this superiority attitude towards every one else, and are better because you achieved your stats when it wasn't "ezscape". You, yourself can't handle the fact that everyone plays the game differently now, and are grateful for the afk skills because it allows them to play the game while working/studying etc. You aren't forced to do the content added into the game, the old content is still there, so if you want to give yourself the challenge then no one is stopping you from doing it the "oldschool" way.

[@idrinkcolt]

you literally just complained about everything to do with updates making skilling slightly faster and more afk, not many players like skilling to a extreme extent

[@kattiperri497]

i know this is late, but why shouldnt there be a option to engage more when skilling to make the skills more fun and engaging while getting more for it. For example runecrafting compared to mining, i can try to be faster and more efficient banking, running and clicking. Mining i have to click and do somthing else to not get bored. Not saying i love runecrafting, but its kinda interactive like hunter.

[@Patrick-go8ub]

For a lot of players, including me this actually was the reason to quit. For me the slayer update was the last straw. My 99 slayer got devalued from 600-700 ehp to like 250. After the whole afk nightmare zone bullshit and the zulrah update insta raising the best money per hour from like 800k to 4m. All of these things could've easily been hotfix nerfed. These were exactly the things that deterred people from rs3.

[@bensteed750]

I work 12 hour shifts anywhere from 5-6 days a week and you can go and get absolutely backed up.... by me. I don't get that much time to play osrs so how is it that I can level up skills so easily and fast now? Because I'm a veteran (14 years going strong of runescape) and know what I'm doing? No. Because as you said it's so much easier to train skills with the amount of afk'able skills there are.... I can literally play osrs and watch a movie/tv show and barely realize I'm efficiently training a skill on osrs by doing so. They have and continue to make the game way too easy to play, now don't get conflicted I LOVE osrs but it's a stinging truth so I can't understand the hate this guy is getting for literally telling the truth... I mean come on, we're talking about the same retards that trash rs3 (don't get me wrong I fucking hate rs3) and call it "ezscape" yet that's practically what osrs has become, granted you have to grind longer to level up in comparison to rs3 on osrs the thing is though it's far less noticeable now because of how afk'able it is..... you could literally call it afk scape and you'd be right, don't get me wrong there are still obvious things that you have to do that require attention but most of those things are enjoyable, PvM, bossing, pking etc. I think really if they continue in this direction (almost a little too late not to imo) they're going to exhaust what can be done and end up adding even faster ways to train. Osrs is still legitimately fun and a great game but you're in no way, shape or form wrong in what you're saying, and honestly why train a slower way when there is a faster way? If they're going to give us the option we're going to exploit it... naturally.

[@Opachki69420]

the reason all these afk methods have been passing is because no one wants to tick manipulate to get good xp rates, and i dont disagree with them, you shouldnt have to exploit game mechanics to get the best xp rates

[@Grub120]

Yet you continue to do agility rooftop course ?

[@DigitalDigglit]

I think you make a lot of great points about how certain aspects of the game need to be unique in their own regard rather than unified to force players into experiencing all of the content. What's special about Runescape is it gives players the opportunity to identify what they enjoy. Some like the goal oriented approach and that feeling of achievement when you grind out a goal. And I think it's safe to say that you fall into that category. While I think that that is something to appreciate, you also made a point about looking at things from an unbiased perspective at the end. You, by nature, do fall into that category; meanwhile, a large majority of the player-base is looking for that faster, more afkable approach to skilling. While it may not be right, you can't change the statistics. Jagex is a business looking to maximize their player-base and increase profits. From a business perspective, it makes sense to cater new content to the desires of the masses, rather than those of a select few. Great video, you certainly maintain a different perspective from the rest of the youtube/twitch content creator community.

[@JethroN7]

I definitely appreciate the idea of the video, however there is a lot of what I think is unintentional hypocrisy coming through. You mention that the player base is intolerant of other playstyles, then go on to say that you think the game should be kept the same without adding new playstyles that "devalue" the skill. If the styles that you enjoy aren't removed from the game, why should you be concerned about how other people play it? And why should more people having a skill maxed devalue it? The value from playing this game, you said yourself, is about patience and the grind paired with the payoff. That is an intrinsically single player benefit, and the way other players do things shouldn't affect that. Calling parts of the game a "cesspool" or "garbage" isn't going to spark debate, it's going to create more conflict. As far as the company making money, it's objectively selfish to say that you want the game to stay the way you want it to be. The nature of an online game is to evolve, and expecting different from that seems very ignorant from you, of all people. Jagex needs to make money, because they need to pay their employees, because the employees need to feed their family. Without employees, the game suffers, and will ultimately die. Far from the longevity you desire. I don't mean to attack, just rebut your argument. You're clearly an intelligent man, but you seem frustrated, and that comes through in this video. Perhaps this is really what you think about the game, but I want to believe you're just not in a clear headspace right now. Anyway, thanks for the discussion!

[@bioalchemist]

It breaks my heart :'[ I miss violent randoms, I miss not being able to fish noted fish, i miss dying actually having risk, i miss loosing untradables on death, i miss not having minigame teleports Whyyyyyy... Sorta reminds me of the socialists taking over US Pushing aside the constitution / core values of our country in exchange for "free stuff" and false comforts D':

[@-Ambrosia]

probs the best vid you have ever uploaded

[@-Ambrosia]

very valid points eventhough i dont agree with everything

[@aaronwrolstad1629]

you spelt 'worst' wrong

[@tribalmask1]

How do you enter the fire altar without fire tiara or talisman?

[@qtAlice314]

It is really nice to get your opinion. I imagined you would have an in depth perspective. Thanks mate!

[@rickyslick4917]

Crying games getting too easy.. makes posts saying AHK should be allowed and cries saying he's not cheating. Learn to play.

[@MrAnime-jb6re]

Michael Hodge You mean windows mouse keys, which are allowed?

[@abovestand]

Great video, I agree on all points. Runescape is a difficult game to sell others on people because most of the content itself is quite dull. The appeal of the game, to me at least, was setting goals, planning, and putting in the hours to achieve them. The more difficult the goal the more rewarding finally reaching it was. I remember pre-skillcapes I met a friend who was maxed and I had this weird admiration/respect for the work they'd put in to achieving such a bizarre goal. Over the next few years I dumped countless hours into the game but with each passing week the game got easier and easier. By the time I maxed the achievement hardly seemed noteworthy. It annoyed me how Jagex continually devalued the achievements I'd worked so hard to get. I eventually quit after EOC and haven't bothered to pick it back up. I follow OSRS now but don't play. The continual erosion of skilling has discouraged me from putting any real time into the game. When OSRS first opened there was respect for the game and players seemed hesitant to make things too easy. The servers themselves were an escape from RS3 which had become a complete joke. Even something like GWD was debated passionately. Today, that respect is gone and players just want more, faster, and easier content. If this continues OSRS seems fated to endure the same fate as RS3.

[@Mar_13288]

The charm of osrs is in it's time consuming, thus rewarding nature. Almost every other game out there is extremely casual. Even 30-40 TOTAL hours in other games is considered overboard. Meanwhile that's literally nothing in osrs. Literally nothing. Go play like, literally every other game out there if you don't have much time to spend lmao. osrs is extremely niche in that regard and i don't get why people are trying to make it like every other game out there. same reason why a lot of people want classic wow back. modern day wow is casual, unrewarding shit. vanilla may have been "tedious" to some but at least you earned your gear and your levels and felt some sense of achievement.

[@jessieis]

From a rs3 prospective, i can understand where you are coming from. At the same time the part regarding 15:49 if it wasn't for jagex releasing skill capes in 2006 i wouldn't of became a maxed player in first place. I had no desire to train skills until the skill capes came out. While i was grinding out 99's skills such as agility, runecrafting and thieving i hated those skills regarding. The max cape gave me even more motivation to get 99's. I will say after i became maxed newer content came into the game and made my achievement meaningless. The max cape no longer felt like an achievement do to the afk content and all day events such as double exp weekend. The hard work it took back in the day to get a 99 can be achieved in little time due to being able to pay to win.

[@ZohMyFkinGod]

I don't understand people whining about how they can't play the game 10 hours a day. I go to university and work myself. I don't play 10 hours a day. But i don't want to be maxed in a skill in a weekend. Took me 4 month to get 99 agility by playing 2 hours a day. I wouldn't have felt that feeling of accomplishment if i would have done it in a week. And people would still say i had no life when they see my cape even though i play less then them, but stayed focus on one goal. People only want to get everything with no effort. It is possible to get high reqs even if you play 2 hours a day. Just don't jerk off around the bank for thoses 2 hours and you'll get something done.

[@fatalbgaming]

Unfortunately, some of us dedicated players have lives outside of OSRS and not being able to grind 17 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. At some point you have to realize that type of grinder isn't the type of person the game should be modeled around.

[@xPhireLight]

comments: i only like training slayer and if you don't like training only slayer you are a nerd!!!!

[@punisherrs2164]

MAKE VOTING 1K+ EHP

[@jacobmartin3034]

what if we reverse the changes and credit membership to any lost items/time.

[@timhorton7799]

will always watch vids in which you give your honest opinion about a game that both you and i love

[@SmiteDoctor]

Agility was literally never interesting or unique lmao

[@Josh38414]

The irony now that you got banned.

[@Bigmeep69]

Shauna Vayne what wait?

[@Josh38414]

big meech he got banned for using AHK (making the game easier)

[@warriorkr]

AHK are actually hard to learn and prepare, and don't make the game easier, they make you more effective.

[@AdrianGK47]

Martí Móra Torres Making it easier to click is making the game easier...

[@AdrianGK47]

Martí Móra Torres what? I don't use mouse keys, and I don't see what you're saying here, mouse keys will always be faster

[@lawfox420]

nice ban for using ahk

[@mihuuuu]

i appreciate the videos man. one of the reasons that made me quit rs pre-eoc was the constant introduction of high-end combat content. i've been a pker forever and all i play the game for is pking so when they started introducing shit like turmoil/dungeoneering weapons and summoning i just stopped playing coz fuck skilling.

[@Brugllione]

Got max combat in Nightmare zone and did not feel accomplished at all. Actually felt like someone else did it for me, or like you said it felt like I had botted it. One benefit that AFKscape has is that Runescape streamers do really well because everyone is bored and watches streams while AFK skilling. ;)

[@mrj5685]

As far as I'm concerned that is NOT osrs. Glad I quit.

[@CizzaAU]

damn someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed...

[@1DayVd]

Not everyone has the time to sit on there ass all day grinding skills...

[@nanashivii9237]

Fantastic observation. Doesn't mean skills should be sped up to that degree for players who don't put in as much time.

[@1DayVd]

NanashiVII yes it does, if they kept it how it was the game would just gradually lose players... have fun playing with straight no lifes

[@Brugllione]

Then you might want to consider playing a different game, maybe?

[@1DayVd]

Lol ok have jagex keep it like it was and watch the players gradually drop and drop till its just straight no lifes... nty jaagex keep doin what you doin

[@TheM4yhem]

1DayVd that makes zero sense. None

[@GamingHeadQ]

tbh I completely understand your points. Good work on this and I hope you make future videos on the current OSRS.

[@thislove5369]

so whats the deal can you still use mousekeys? i thought they were considered macroing

[@meebsgeeb]

God I always knew that autism elegy was whiny bitch but this is taking it to the next level. Why complain about jagex making updates that make the game easier/more afk? Every single MMO has updates that keep the game fresh. 99% of the playerbase cant spend 10+ hours a day playing, we have jobs and school and families. If you want to spend 14 hours a day grinding out 30k xp/hour be my guest, no one is stopping you. Just because better/faster methods come out doesn't mean you have to use them, if you truly want the nostalgia keep 3 ticking mining while we use miningtodt.

[@Lykosys]

"Fresh" lul

[@Therealsds1000]

play RS3 If you want to have a easier/more afk game.

[@amazingkool]

You support the updates that make the game more "easyscape" but are also against what is considered the real "easyscape?"

[@Therealsds1000]

Some Guy, Not everyone lives in their moms basement and has 14 hours a day to play. that's why microtransactions are the best thing that happend in runescape. Good argument.

[@LoIi]

if you can't play much why wouldn't you use the more click intensive higher xp method

[@xxFairestxx]

This is fucking depressing....

[@joryleague1792]

This all basically amounts to you wanting people to respect you for the hard work you've done. No one should have to care but you. You know the work you went through. Most of us wouldn't even be able to guess. Every time you say "so and so devalues my skill" you're basically just saying you want us to have it as hard as you did or else we might not respect you for your levels. You've done a ton of exploits to get ahead. never played the game the way it was meant to be played if you could help it. You can't say you don't want it changed. You didn't even do "it"

[@vodopivecn]

how you still haven't surpassed Sick Nerd?

[@daltont9440]

1:14 ---- This is the reason you are so salty about the game. Making a video is xp waste?? When you go to sleep do you measure how long you've slept in wasted game ticks? You are among the top 1% of no lifers, and OSRS would be dead if Jagex catered only to you.

[@wings6680]

Just quit bro.

[@ShiraMakesVideos]

He did.

[@Wildm0use]

He did, and turned into a legit gymcel, such a huge charachter development.

[@AnimaPrisma_]

Autumn Elegy: *valid complaints based on personal opinions that can be subject to a healthy debate* Everybody else: "whathtefuckyoudicksufejhwqZOKGORTEQJFNEHJW" [Stroke and gagging sounds intensifies]

[@skorra3377]

Sad thing that kids die in hospital every day wishing to live their lives while u sit here clicking away urs

[@Sgtweiwei]

Aren't you doing the same you fuckwit?

[@HyperNovington]

It is sad that kids die but why should he feel guilty? Kids starve in other countries while you eat. So like? What was the point.

[@terminusest9179]

Is Lava runes actually the best OSRS RCing method? I see guys like Lynx doing it too

[@TK1NG]

Have to actually comment i rarely do, but big up for saying what you did. Cant say i disagree'd wholeheartedly with anything you said. When few of my friends first messaged me about OSRS being released I was so excited to return to runescape to make the account I wanted and to play to my own style and beliefs. Let the haters hate keep up the videos!